ICC Under-19 World Cup | New Zealand | Jan 12 - Feb 4, 2018 | Discussion Thread

[ahmedwaqas92]

Still man, how old will they be? 21? 23? That's still young.

No they're not! I swear half of them are in their mid-20s. A simple bone marrow should be randomly done on a few of them to verify this!

 

[Kashmirilion]

19??? They're grown $%& men FGS

Shocking how this is allowed in 2018

I'm sure I was reading in one of the threads that it's not so simple to get away with players are tested etc, however the person was defending Pakistani players lol so I would take it with a pinch of salt, but surely ICC can't be this dumb and not realise, they really should do something about it. It's not fair on players who are genuinely u19 competing against grandads.

 

[CricFan2012]

Afghanistan u25 vs New Zealand u19

 

[Aman]

Afghanistan look a level above.

This could get ugly, there's a good chance of a 200 run defeat.

 

[Sadevdesai]

I think these Afghan kids are older than 19 years !!!!!!!!!!

 

[Lion of Khyber]

I'm sure I was reading in one of the threads that it's not so simple to get away with players are tested etc, however the person was defending Pakistani players lol so I would take it with a pinch of salt, but surely ICC can't be this dumb and not realise, they really should do something about it. It's not fair on players who are genuinely u19 competing against grandads.

No doubt that some Afghans are older than 19, but just blaming them isn't fair. Esp. when the physically are better built than majority of this forums members(Normal South Asians)

Boshier, Bhula and Murray are looking above 20 as well, which am almost sure they aren't


Afghan Team


BD Players


Canada


WI


Zimbabwe and Kenya too has players that look in their mid 20s. Pakistan has them as well.

 

[Aman]

I think these Afghan kids are older than 19 years !!!!!!!!!!

Either that or these guys are prodigies who will become stars at the senior level.

 

[Aman]

Whatever the result, I think our top 3 have a brighter career ahead of them than any of the Afghan players.

 

[aloo paratha]

Lol there is absolutely no chance Mujeeb is actually 16, no 16 year old has that much muscle.

 

[Aman]

4 down

Just bat the overs.

 

[giri26]

So seems like AFGu19 going though.

 

[Aman]

The boys have no clue against spin.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

Makes our win vs Afg all the more impressive!

Re: this talk of Afg overaging, which lets face it they are obviously doing.

One of the funnier stories I heard was at the WCL Division 5 in Jersey in 2008 when Afg were only starting out. Every single member of their squad, every one, was listed as 21 years old. Reason being apparently it takes years registering births in Afghanistan at least back then and there were serious difficulties in doing it. The squad included Sadiq who was at least 33 back then lol.


One more sinister thing I heard though, was that the ACC actually attempted to introduce a bone testing system for an Asian Cup U19 tournament few years back. They had to back down after all bar one team had several overaged players and their boards threatened to pull out and sue.

 

[Kashmirilion]

Makes our win vs Afg all the more impressive!

Re: this talk of Afg overaging, which lets face it they are obviously doing.

One of the funnier stories I heard was at the WCL Division 5 in Jersey in 2008 when Afg were only starting out. Every single member of their squad, every one, was listed as 21 years old. Reason being apparently it takes years registering births in Afghanistan at least back then and there were serious difficulties in doing it. The squad included Sadiq who was at least 33 back then lol.


One more sinister thing I heard though, was that the ACC actually attempted to introduce a bone testing system for an Asian Cup U19 tournament few years back. They had to back down after all bar one team had several overaged players and their boards threatened to pull out and sue.

Who was that board?

 

[Hiraeth]

Are these Afghanistani players really under 19?

Seem too good to be kids.

Your bowlers were trash, only one seamer against a Asian side...

 

[Donal Cozzie]

Who was that board?

Dont know.

I follow Associate journalists and cricinfo writers on twitter, they were discussing it last week so the source is trustworthy and tbh wouldnt surprise me.

 

[Aman]

It's disgusting to have overage teams play in this tournament.


A lot of these Kiwi players must be questioning whether they're good enough to make it to the international level.

 

[Lion of Khyber]

Makes our win vs Afg all the more impressive!

Re: this talk of Afg overaging, which lets face it they are obviously doing.

One of the funnier stories I heard was at the WCL Division 5 in Jersey in 2008 when Afg were only starting out. Every single member of their squad, every one, was listed as 21 years old. Reason being apparently it takes years registering births in Afghanistan at least back then and there were serious difficulties in doing it. The squad included Sadiq who was at least 33 back then lol.


One more sinister thing I heard though, was that the ACC actually attempted to introduce a bone testing system for an Asian Cup U19 tournament few years back. They had to back down after all bar one team had several overaged players and their boards threatened to pull out and sue.

1: That isn't true mate, they had different ages, Gulbadin played his first match at 18 back then. Some of the seniors are still in the team and all have different ages. Karim actually has been selected again.

2: The ACC are still conducting the bone tests, they have in the past thrown teams out. The team threatening was HK. They had two players that didn't pass. One was HK born and the other US born. Both had genuine birth certificates

 

[MMHS]

3 of the 4 semi finalists are Asian. If Afghan’s bat first, I am sure 2 finalists will be Asian as well. Very much flat preformance by hosts today.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Rashid Khan is talented but did he really have to pretend that he is 17 or 18 whatever he is now.... he would have made it anyway.

 

[Syed1]

It's disgusting to have overage teams play in this tournament.


A lot of these Kiwi players must be questioning whether they're good enough to make it to the international level.

Sore loser as always. What proof do you have that these players are overage. Learn to take defeat and not throw toys out of the pram.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Don't they do these wrist tests on all players of each team?!

 

[Lion of Khyber]

Damn, this was brutal, as an Afghan fan been dreaming about this moment. They performed outstanding in every aspect of the game

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Feel sad for the young kiwi team. They were up against a team of 25 year olds lol. Although to be fair Afghans do look much older than their age.

 

[Space Cat]

I had a feeling we might lose but certainly not by that much. Its a good measuring stick for the young lads to come up agaisnt quality spin though. Hopefully a few of them can elliminate that weakness and make it to the next level because there is some good talent in the side.

 

[JattMaula]

Don't care about the age issue. Talent on display by Afghanistan was outstanding. That finisher played perfect inning.

NZ was top heavy and paid the price like India in CT17 final and WC15 Semi.

NZ does have some outstanding batsmen and they will shine when polished IMO. Pretty hard to face bowlers like Mujeeb for first time. Many better sides have been blown away in past.

 

[Shafi]

most of the batsmen I saw were clearly over the age of 19.

Exactly!!!!! Some of them are even over 25. ICC should be more firm with these cheats

 

[Shafi]

Don't care about the age issue. Talent on display by Afghanistan was outstanding. That finisher played perfect inning.

NZ was top heavy and paid the price like India in CT17 final and WC15 Semi.

NZ does have some outstanding batsmen and they will shine when polished IMO. Pretty hard to face bowlers like Mujeeb for first time. Many better sides have been blown away in past.

So a player age of 16 and 25 is same according to you,

 

[Shafi]

Sore loser as always. What proof do you have that these players are overage. Learn to take defeat and not throw toys out of the pram.

I got few of their picture from cricinfo and all of them look over 24 at lease. So based on that the teams's average age will be at least 23 with few players are 25-27 age bracket. So its not a fair competition. These teams should compete under 25 competition not under 19. Otherwise ICC should restrict the age bracket.

 

[MMHS]

I think, Afghan players shouldn't be defamed here - they are playing within the scope of Play Book.

In the thread on U9 WC, (where it stated that teams will be penalized, even banned if more than one player is found over aged), I actually raised the issue - how are they going to measure the age - there are several methods, that's not the issue, rather it's about agreement of the participating Nations (regarding the method). In most cases, what I have seen that any disciplinary action against age cheating had been due to discrepancy among submitted different papers (for example, FIFA banned Mexico for a WC, because 2/3 of their players submitted age based on their passport for U20 WC, but same players submitted different age for U17 WC 3 years back ....) - it has nothing to do with genuineness of biological age.

I don't think we can do much here - it's up to individual cricket board. It depends where they want their cricket to go - U19 WC is a stage for up coming players, if individual board doesn't realize the importance of using it to filter genuine talents, only they'll suffer in disappointment in the long run. U19 WC started as a regular ICC event in 1998 and some of early BD players were a shame to be polite in this regard - it hardly helped us. For last 5-6 terms, BCB is trying to make it as much fair as possible (one trick they use is picking official U18 players in most cases and keep a year or two as buffer) - it resulted almost every BD player for last 10-12 years are actually coming from some U19 WC.


Good luck to AFG team for the SF against Aussies.

 

[MenInG]

New Zealand have bowed out of the running to be ICC U19 Cricket World Cup 2018 champions, after a 202 run loss to Afghanistan in their quarter-final at Hagley Oval.

Afghanistan won the toss and opted to bat first, and their openers got them off to a strong start with a 100-run partnership brought up before the 20 over mark.

New Zealand had a couple of opportunities for wickets, but couldn’t capitalise until Sandeep Patel bowled Rahmanullah Gurbaz for 69 in the 21st over.

That dismissal halted Afghanistan’s momentum and New Zealand clawed their way back into the match when Felix Murray dismissed new batsman Ikram Ali Khil for 4.

Two more wickets fell and New Zealand had done well to peg Afghanistan back to 182-4 in the 38th over after the tourists were 117-0.

However, the pendulum swung back Afghanistan’s way when Azmatullah Omarzai came to the crease with just five overs to go in their innings.

The number eight batsman hit 10 boundaries, seven clearing the rope, off 23 balls to race to 66 alongside an unbeaten half century from Bahir Shah as the pair guided Afghanistan through to 309-6 from their 50 overs.

New Zealand were in great form with the bat during pool play, but Afghanistan were brimming with confidence and struck a telling blow when the dangerous Rachin Ravindra was run out for a duck in the second over.

Jakob Bhula was then dismissed for five by a beautiful wrong-un from Mujeeb Zadran, who then had captain Kaylum Boshier out bowled without score.

Finn Allen looked to be aggressive as he had done all tournament, but when he edged through to the keeper on 13 New Zealand were 20-4 with a big mountain to climb.

The pressure was on Katene Clarke and Dale Phillips to rebuild, and they did admirably to stem the flow of wickets and put the pressure back on Afghanistan.

The pair put on 66 runs until Phillips was trapped LBW for 31 by Qais Ahmed which was followed by Sandeep Patel’s dismissal two balls later to give Afghanistan the ascendancy. New Zealand finished all out for 107 with eight wickets coming from spin.

New Zealand will now play off for positions fifth to eighth, with a play-off semi-final against South Africa to be held at Hagley Oval on Saturday.

 

[giri26]

Brilliant Afghanistan trounce New Zealand by 202 runs

Afghanistan couldn’t have dreamed of a more satisfying quarter-final. They laid down a marker and sent a message to more fancied opponents that they were not a side to be taken lightly. In doing so, they dismantled the home side, New Zealand, in perhaps the most comprehensive manner imaginable. It was a 202-run win, but even that massive margin perhaps doesn’t indicate just how good Afghanistan were on this day in Hagley Oval.

After opting to bat, four Afghanistan batsmen scored half-centuries – Rahmanullah Gurbaz (69), Ibrahim Zadran (68), Bahir Shah (67 not out) and the incredible Azmatullah Omarzai (66 off just 23). Thereafter, having posted a mammoth 309/6, Mujeeb Zadran (4/14), the mystery spinner, and Qais Ahmed (4/33), the leggie, ran through the line-up.

Australia, who Afghanistan will meet in the Super League semi-final, would have taken note. In fact, the whole cricket-watching world would have taken note. It was that sort of performance, from a bunch of boys sporting black armbands in memory of those that were lost in the recent attacks in Kabul and Jalalabad.

The New Zealand bowlers had a torrid time in the first innings, especially in the last five overs when Azmatullah’s belligerence ensured 77 runs were added. But perhaps it could all have been different had New Zealand held on to their chances. Ibrahim was dropped twice – first by Felix Murray when he was 15, and then on 23 by Sandeep Patel. He had a nervy, slow start, and had New Zealand to thank for their generosity. At the other end, Gurbaz was on a whole other level. He displayed excellent timing, and his inherent power ensured most of his swings found the fence.

The openers added 117 – an Afghanistan U19 record – within 21 overs, with Gurbaz scoring 10 boundaries, three of them sixes. He brought up his half-century off just 55 balls, but Patel made amends for his earlier drop by forcing an inside-edge that clattered into Gurbaz’s stumps. There was a slide thereafter. Ikram Ali Khil managed just four before being caught-and-bowled by Murray, even as Zadran kicked on to bring up his own half-century. Patel accounted for him as well though and when Darwish Rasooli (3), a known big-hitter, holed out shortly thereafter, Afghanistan were 182/4.

However, in the final ten overs, the gears shifted yet again and New Zealand could do little about it. Azmatullah used his powerful arms to great effect – by the time he holed out with two balls remaining, he had plundered seven sixes and three fours. It put to shade Bahir’s fine 72-ball unbeaten 67, and that’s saying something.

New Zealand never looked likely to meet the target, given the way they started. It was a collapse of mammoth proportions as they were flummoxed by the skill and guile of Mujeeb. They were 20/4 within seven overs.

The implosion started with a run-out though, with Rachin Ravindra dismissed for nought after attempting a quick, perhaps unnecessary single. Mujeeb took over thereafter, with both Jacob Bhula and Kaylum Boshier, the New Zealand captain, being clean bowled, unable to read his googlies. When Finn Allen, the in-form big-hitter, was caught behind off Naveen-ul-Haq, Afghanistan knew they merely had to concentrate and finish the job.

Thereafter, there was a resistance that might not be remembered in the larger scheme of things, with Dale Phillips and Katene Clarke adding a commendable 66 runs, making Afghanistan wait a good 13 overs for their fifth wicket having nipped out four in the first seven. It was a nervy stay in the middle, marked by at times desperate running, but the more they stayed in the middle, the easier the runs came. They took New Zealand into the 80s when the legspinner, Qais Ahmed, broke through after Phillips missed his full toss and was trapped in front. That triggered another slide, with Patel edging Qais to slip before he trapped Clarke in front as well. New Zealand were 93/7.

The tail managed to sneak the total past the 100-run mark before Mujeeb and Qais completed the rout. It was domination.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/603150

 

[Thatsgold]

To be honest, most of the people here who keep saying that afghans don't look U19 etc are purely jealous that they trashed the tournament favorites out of the park and yet Pak U19 are extremely lucky to even make it to the quarter finals lolz.


Please stop using the same excuse over an over again.

 

[Greenstorm]

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I got few of their picture from cricinfo and all of them look over 24 at lease. So based on that the teams's average age will be at least 23 with few players are 25-27 age bracket. So its not a fair competition. These teams should compete under 25 competition not under 19. Otherwise ICC should restrict the age bracket.

TBH, all four are looking u19 to me.

 

[shah_1]

I can confirm 100% that Rohail Nazir is 22 year old and Rashid Khan is 23 year old, I don't know for others but if they can do it then you can't rule out any possiblity of rampant overage players in this tournament.

 

[JattMaula]

So a player age of 16 and 25 is same according to you,

No but I'm simply admiring the talent. And they are talented even for 20+ year olds.

 

[JattMaula]

TBH, all four are looking u19 to me.

no they don't.

 

[shah_1]

Afghanistan team is talented for sure

It's good for cricket

 

[pillionrider]

Well at least Afghanistan know how to beat New Zealand in an ODI

 

[Artaxerxes]

Afghan u25 team beat New Zealand u19.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Well at least Afghanistan know how to beat New Zealand in an ODI

Yes it is a big achievement by Afghan U25 team against New Zealand U19

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Yes it is a big achievement by Afghan U25 team against New Zealand U19

What a massive achievement by the Irish

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

TBH, all four are looking u19 to me.

just the stubble alone on the last guys face looks 25 year old.

 

[Abdullah719]

India 25/1 in 5 overs against BD.

 

[Syed1]

India 25/1 in 5 overs against BD.

I thought our semi was against India



chalo we can relive the CT once we dish out a phainti in the final

 

[hadi123]

I thought our semi was against India



chalo we can relive the CT once we dish out a phainti in the final

It will be against India if they win this quarter final against Bangladesh.

 

[badsha001]

Bangladesh has worst bowling in the Quarter Final Teams.... Everyone is bowling towards leg side

 

[Syed1]

India is running away with this.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Tendulkar 2.0 (Shaw) and Kohli 2.0 (Gill)2 batting together

 

[badsha001]

Tendulkar 2.0 (Shaw) and Kohli 2.0 (Gill)2 batting together

so far both of these batsman looks quite average to me... Bowling is very bad

 

[Syed1]

Tendulkar 2.0 (Shaw) and Kohli 2.0 (Gill)2 batting together

Hold your horses... only a couple of years ago you were hyping Unmukht Chand as the next Kohli/Sachin... where is he now?

 

[CanadianG00se]

so far both of these batsman looks quite average to me... Bowling is very bad

Your standard is quite high then

 

[CanadianG00se]

Hold your horses... only a couple of years ago you were hyping Unmukht Chand as the next Kohli/Sachin... where is he now?

Im sure you’re mistaken me with someone, i never rated Chand. Heck i wasnt even on PP two years ago. Secondly, you’re right in suggesting that some players may not turn out great. Im only hoping them to be our backbone in next few years. Btw if you watch Gill, yu’ll see lot of similarities with Kohli. Even commentators are impressed with Shaw and his technqiue at such age. They both are far from finished and good thing they have Dravid to guide them along.

 

[jnaveen1980]

so far both of these batsman looks quite average to me... Bowling is very bad

Duh? Average? They both score all around the wickets. What is average about them. They can only play what is infront of them. Prithvi is already playing first class.

 

[GrandMaster]

so far both of these batsman looks quite average to me... Bowling is very bad

True...Average batting as per Pakistan standards.

 

[DHONI_FAN]

Gill seems to be a better batsman than Shaw

 

[Ahson8]

TBH, all four are looking u19 to me.

There is no way Ikram Ali Khil is 17 atleast

 

[Syed1]

350 on the cards for India

 

[DuckMaster]

India's middle order has been completely untested in this tournament.

 

[DuckMaster]

Gill seems to be a better batsman than Shaw

I agree (from what I've seen of the two). Shaw being from Mumbai is more hyped obviously.

 

[Saj]

Very impressed with Gill. He has so much time to play his shots.

 

[JaDed]

Hold your horses... only a couple of years ago you were hyping Unmukht Chand as the next Kohli/Sachin... where is he now?

Chand was hyped after a single match, Shaw has been hyped a lot for his technique but tbf so was Rohit and we know how that ended up.

 

[badsha001]

Duh? Average? They both score all around the wickets. What is average about them. They can only play what is infront of them. Prithvi is already playing first class.

We will see how they will play against Pakistan's Pacer in semi final...

 

[Aman]

Sore loser as always. What proof do you have that these players are overage. Learn to take defeat and not throw toys out of the pram.

They're called eyes.

If this is how these players perform at the age of 16-17, they're going to be world class.

 

[Aman]

just the stubble alone on the last guys face looks 25 year old.

Pretty sure that's the guy whose mishits were going for six

 

[badsha001]

As i talked and technique is gone... No foot movement what so ever from Shaw

https://gfycat.com/EmptyThirdAfricanhornbill

 

[DHONI_FAN]

I agree (from what I've seen of the two). Shaw being from Mumbai is more hyped obviously.

Yup.. Unnecessary hype. Many have already started calling him Tendulkar part 2..lol

 

[DuckMaster]

We will see how they will play against Pakistan's Pacer in semi final...

These average batters really have no chance surviving against the fast and furious champion Pakistani pacers. India will get steam-rolled for less than 100. Pakistan should consider themselves in the finals already and start celebrating.

 

[DuckMaster]

Yup.. Unnecessary hype. Many have already started calling him Tendulkar part 2..lol

Totally unnecessary. Shaw looked very ordinary today. His innings against Australia was much better.

 

[Kashmirilion]

Why haven't we got a thread for this match?

Bangla Pacers are trundlers, bcb really need to invest in fast bowling academies if they want their senior team to improve oversees tours pacers bowling at 65-75mph is criminal.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Yup.. Unnecessary hype. Many have already started calling him Tendulkar part 2..lol

Gill is better than Shaw in my view. Shaw needs few years in first class.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Totally unnecessary. Shaw looked very ordinary today. His innings against Australia was much better.

Not a conducive pitch for shot making.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Gill is such a dominating batsman. Has a very good future.

 

[Aman]

Wow, this Gill kid looks class.

 

[Aman]

Wow wow wow, what a shot

 

[DHONI_FAN]

Gill is such a dominating batsman. Has a very good future.

He looks like right handed version of Yuvraj

 

[jnaveen1980]

Wow, this Gill kid looks class.

In his first innings of first first class game he made a 50. Next match a century. So he is already making strides.

 

[Aman]

Gill is better than Shaw in my view. Shaw needs few years in first class.

I've only seen him bat today and he has star written all over him.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I've only seen him bat today and he has star written all over him.

Strong backfoot game by the look of it.Very decisive footwork. Semi final will be juicy if they advance through. India vs Pakistan.

 

[UP]

Wow, this Gill kid looks class.

Looks a bit Kohli’sh style wise.