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ICC World Cup 2019 : Points table, Net Run Rates, qualifying scenarios & Stats thread

AamchiMumbaikar said:
Yup, France/ Belgium/ Arg/ Eng were favs to start with.

Ger, Esp and Brazil were never really favs and just had past laurels according to some bookies.
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So if we follow this then:

France = India
England = Pakistan (Mohammed Amir is Harry Kane)
Belgium = New Zealand
Brazil = Aussies
Germany = Srilanka
Croatia = West Indies ?
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
Yup, France/ Belgium/ Arg/ Eng were favs to start with.

Ger, Esp and Brazil were never really favs and just had past laurels according to some bookies.
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Let Argentina win Copa America first before becoming a favorite for WC. World Cups arent silly leagues. Messi will struggle to get past even Nigerian defense in a big WC match.
 
aqeelPK said:
Keep an eye on England. Considering their history, they might end up losing to aus, ind & nz consecutively & opening a spot for us to grab.
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Now they need two wins against aus/nz/india which is highly unlikely. Such an overrated team. Their sloggers connected against windies & 2nd strength Pakistani bowling attacks while conceding almost same of runs, a couple more slogs here n there & everyone labelled them as number 1 contenders for WC. lol
 
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AamchiMumbaikar said:
Afg and Wi winning tomorrow is needed for this WC :smith
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WI have a slight chance of winning against NZ though, NZ would be aware that this match is their best chance to qualify.

As for Afg, there is higher probability of killing an elephant with a slingshot then beating India.
 
It looks like it's going to happen -

Pakistan Vs India
Australia Vs New Zealand

Pakistan Vs Australia

Australia 132 all out
[MENTION=145503]Mueez[/MENTION] I can't find my post where I made this prediction earlier in the tournament
 
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Chokli said:
It looks like it's going to happen -

Pakistan Vs India
Australia Vs New Zealand

Pakistan Vs Australia

Australia 132 all out
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You are supporting Pakistan again?

Well good to see brother!
 
Donal Cozzie said:
Be realistic lads the group stage is finished.

Australia/India//England considering their form and the sides they have yet to face are absolutely home and hosed. Only side who you think might slip up would be NZ and they have come through every test so far.

NZ need 1 win or a wash out to end whatever tiny tiny chance Bangladesh has. None of the rest even have a chance.
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GLORY OF '92 said:
You seem adamant even though all the rest still actually have a chance.....
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:)) Disgruntled Minnow
 
Chokli said:
It looks like it's going to happen -

Pakistan Vs India
Australia Vs New Zealand

Pakistan Vs Australia

Australia 132 all out

[MENTION=145503]Mueez[/MENTION] I can't find my post where I made this prediction earlier in the tournament
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Haha yeah I know :))
 
Donal Cozzie said:
Be realistic lads the group stage is finished.

Australia/India//England considering their form and the sides they have yet to face are absolutely home and hosed. Only side who you think might slip up would be NZ and they have come through every test so far.

NZ need 1 win or a wash out to end whatever tiny tiny chance Bangladesh has. None of the rest even have a chance.
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Mueez said:
You are supporting Pakistan again?

Well good to see brother!
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I try to support them but they give me every reason not to :inzi
 
I guess Sri Lanka's win over England opens things up a little and what would help the tems lower down the table is if England lose all 3.

The bigger question is can Pakistan win their remaining 4 matches?
 
Saj said:
I guess Sri Lanka's win over England opens things up a little and what would help the tems lower down the table is if England lose all 3.

The bigger question is can Pakistan win their remaining 4 matches?
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Yes, more than anything else Pak team should be concentrating on winning their own games first as rest of the things are out of their hands now.
 
Really hoping England lose 2 more games here which is quite likely as they are all against top 4 sides and given they already lost to some bottom 6 sides. Even if worst case we dont win next 4, would still be nice to see arrogant England not make it to final 4 and knowing we were responsible for eliminating them from semis :) would rather see one of Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Bangladesh,or even west indies take that spot instead.
 
Hasan2K8 said:
West Indies has to beat New Zealand tomorrow. They are well capable of it. Come on Gayle and rest.

This WC has not seen a gaylestorm yet.
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WI is in sleep mode right now. They can win but somebody needs turn them on.
 
Teams that play an exciting brand of cricket should make it to the WC SFs - Pakistan should be 4th

After seeing how the teams are shaping up , the team that play exciting brand of cricket should come in top 4 purely cos it makes semis exciting

India -cos of the bowling and Kohli
Pakistan - have ebbs and lows but still have a very good bowling attack and play entertaining cricket
England - yes they hit most sixes
Bangladesh - have been playing very good cricket and will feel bad if they miss out


The above 4 teams have played fairly well . Yes pak lost to india but loved the way they won against England - feel they still can and should be there in the semis

Aussies - don’t feel they have displayed either great batting or bowling or anything exciting
Nz - they benefited from washed out match against india . They are good but seriously boring
Afghan - newbie did ok
South Africa - boring boring boring

Sri Lanka - yes they defeated England but barring Mali no one in their team I would go to watch on cricket ground
 
There is nothing exciting about the way this current Pakistan team plays cricket.
 
It's up to us, India and Aus, if we can all show up against England we can make the Semis easier for ourselves.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
and for others too.
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Pressure on England, essentially every game is a knockout match for them now. They will need to win 5 out of 6 games to win the WC.

We all know how England does under pressure :smith
 
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Chokli said:
They should have won it in 2015 tbh, but it sucks that as soon as they stepped out of their hobbit sized grounds they were exposed.
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They are now playing a different brand of cricket though. Seem to have a more sensible approach under Kane Williamson.
 
Would be funny if Pakistan wins the WC after all this.

Merit ki band baj jaye gi :)))
 
gazza619 said:
They are now playing a different brand of cricket though. Seem to have a more sensible approach under Kane Williamson.
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We had more players in form in 2015.

Guptill, Munro (should be dropped) and Latham have not contributed so far.
 
Pakistan are a fairly ordinary team fixated in the bottom half of the rankings (often 6-8). In any long tournament there are likely to be some ups and downs. However the longer the teams play each other the more the win ratio should reflect the rankings. Pakistan should be eliminated in the next game or two.
 
The Table Will Look Like This:

1. AUSTRALIA
2. INDIA
3. NEW ZEALAND
4. PAKISTAN
5. ENGLAND
6. BANGLADESH
7. SRI LANKA
8. WEST INDIES
9. SOUTH AFRICA
10. AFGHANISTAN

Pak have played better then England this WC. If we can draft in Azhar Ali for Malik and Junaid Khan for Hasnain ... we have an excellent chance.
 
Suddenly the invincible team is finding it hard to qualify for sf? How the hell that happened?
 
Ind, AUS and NZ should go for it. It will be one less headache if England gets knocked out.
 
docteurmanish said:
After seeing how the teams are shaping up , the team that play exciting brand of cricket should come in top 4 purely cos it makes semis exciting

India -cos of the bowling and Kohli
Pakistan - have ebbs and lows but still have a very good bowling attack and play entertaining cricket
England - yes they hit most sixes
Bangladesh - have been playing very good cricket and will feel bad if they miss out


The above 4 teams have played fairly well . Yes pak lost to india but loved the way they won against England - feel they still can and should be there in the semis

Aussies - don’t feel they have displayed either great batting or bowling or anything exciting
Nz - they benefited from washed out match against india . They are good but seriously boring
Afghan - newbie did ok
South Africa - boring boring boring

Sri Lanka - yes they defeated England but barring Mali no one in their team I would go to watch on cricket ground
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Current nz team is much more exciting to watch than pakistan easily.
Actually the most exciting teams are the best 4- England, India, NZ, Aussie.
 
Balthazar said:
Ind, AUS and NZ should go for it. It will be one less headache if England gets knocked out.
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NZ, Aus and India should collude to ensure England miss out, go for it against them and do whatever it takes to get another 4th team in.

Screw England.
 
Usergame said:
Current nz team is much more exciting to watch than pakistan easily.
Actually the most exciting teams are the best 4- England, India, NZ, Aussie.
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I would have liked our chances more if the others were in form. Munro is a passenger, Guptill, Boult and Latham yet to fire.
 
Aman said:
NZ, Aus and India should collude to ensure England miss out, go for it against them and do whatever it takes to get another 4th team in.

Screw England.
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Only if all of us get to bat first. It's damn near impossible to chase against them on a flat wicket.
 
BDfanforever said:
Let Argentina win Copa America first before becoming a favorite for WC. World Cups arent silly leagues. Messi will struggle to get past even Nigerian defense in a big WC match.
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But Messi did get past the Nigerian defence last WC
 
I don't want England to reach the semi's purely to see the egg on the face of some of the English pundits.
 
Aman said:
NZ, Aus and India should collude to ensure England miss out, go for it against them and do whatever it takes to get another 4th team in.

Screw England.
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Australia holds the key now. They need to set the momentum for other teams to pile up the misery.
 
INA - Ind, NZ, Aus. Want to gang up on England, to get rid of the big threat off the semis?. Imagine if they all actually do beat England and knock England out of the WC semis. Highly unlikely though. I don’t think NZ can beat England on a flat wicket nor Aus, Only India has the bowling to trouble England.
 
Hasan2K8 said:
INA - Ind, NZ, Aus. Want to gang up on England, to get rid of the big threat off the semis?. Imagine if they all actually do beat England and knock England out of the WC semis. Highly unlikely though. I don’t think NZ can beat England on a flat wicket nor Aus, Only India has the bowling to trouble England.
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No one gave Pakistan or SL a chance, England are just hopeless under pressure.

They need to win 5 out of the next 6 games to win the WC.
 
if wi win today it will make things more interesting.
then one of england , australia and nz place will be in danger.
 
Simplifying the analysis for Pak

1. Maximum point Pakistan can have is 11, if they win all remaining matches. Their NRR is crap so they can only replace someone with 10 points or lower.
2. Analyzing the current top 4

- Australia will surely get to 11 points or more (already on 10). So for pakistan to have a chance, they should win all their remaining matches.
- India is on 7 with 5 more games. Given they have to play Afg, Ban,WI and SL - they are likely to get to 11 or more easily. So again, for pakistan to have a chance, India should win all their remaining matches.
- NZ to lose 2, one each against Pak and Aus (or 3 - if they lose to Eng). They are likely to win against WI so get to 11.
- If Aus and India win all their remaining matches and Pak wins all their remaining matches then England would have lost 2 out of the remaining 3. Even if they win against NZ - they will be on 10 and out (if Pak wins remaining).

So, folks the only realistic chance for Pakistan is if England goes out and Pak wins all their remaining matches. It's that simple. Root for England's opponents and root for your team in remaining games. It's that simple and it's a realistic possibility
 
chuck said:
Simplifying the analysis for Pak

1. Maximum point Pakistan can have is 11, if they win all remaining matches. Their NRR is crap so they can only replace someone with 10 points or lower.
2. Analyzing the current top 4

- Australia will surely get to 11 points or more (already on 10). So for pakistan to have a chance, they should win all their remaining matches.
- India is on 7 with 5 more games. Given they have to play Afg, Ban,WI and SL - they are likely to get to 11 or more easily. So again, for pakistan to have a chance, India should win all their remaining matches.
- NZ to lose 2, one each against Pak and Aus (or 3 - if they lose to Eng). They are likely to win against WI so get to 11.
- If Aus and India win all their remaining matches and Pak wins all their remaining matches then England would have lost 2 out of the remaining 3. Even if they win against NZ - they will be on 10 and out (if Pak wins remaining).

So, folks the only realistic chance for Pakistan is if England goes out and Pak wins all their remaining matches. It's that simple. Root for England's opponents and root for your team in remaining games. It's that simple and it's a realistic possibility
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Also, the more games and Australia and India win the better for Pakistan as that would weaken other team's chances.
 
Pakistan just need to focus on SA.

I am pretty sure a team with 11 points will make it to SF but big question is that whether Pakistan can do that or not? Most likely ship has already sailed
 
If England lose even 2 matches, and Pakistan win all their matches then Pak will go through and England will be knocked out.
At the moment there is a high chance England will not qualify, especially knowing how badly they choke under pressure and that they have 3 very difficult opponents coming up, 2 of which are probably the best teams in pressure situations.
 
Danyaalr01 said:
If England lose even 2 matches, and Pakistan win all their matches then Pak will go through and England will be knocked out.
At the moment there is a high chance England will not qualify, especially knowing how badly they choke under pressure and that they have 3 very difficult opponents coming up, 2 of which are probably the best teams in pressure situations.
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I can understand England failing to qualify by choking.

How does Pakistan play under pressure?

Any comments?
 
Dr_Bassim said:
I can understand England failing to qualify by choking.

How does Pakistan play under pressure?

Any comments?
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They won 4 matches in a row in the CT.this is relevant because the team that played in that tournie is pretty much the same team which we have now.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
They won 4 matches in a row in the CT.this is relevant because the team that played in that tournie is pretty much the same team which we have now.
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You didn't answer my question.

How does Pakistan play under pressure ?
 
Dr_Bassim said:
You didn't answer my question.

How does Pakistan play under pressure ?
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When they have no pressure (no expectations) then they play well. Right now no one is expecting them to go to the semis hence have no pressure so they should play well IMO.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
When they have no pressure (no expectations) then they play well. Right now no one is expecting them to go to the semis hence have no pressure so they should play well IMO.
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That would be lying though.

Everyone expects them to reach the semis.

Which is why 4 will be too much for them.
 
Why England needs to be Worried ?

With them playing India , Australia and Kiwis

Two losses means they could be packing the bags ..

They havent won against these 3 teams in WC since 1992 i guess !!
 
Hasan2K8 said:
INA - Ind, NZ, Aus. Want to gang up on England, to get rid of the big threat off the semis?. Imagine if they all actually do beat England and knock England out of the WC semis. Highly unlikely though. I don’t think NZ can beat England on a flat wicket nor Aus, Only India has the bowling to trouble England.
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Pressure is on England now since every game kind of become must win and they don't seem good team under pressure.
 
Only team that can allow a SF entry to Pakistan even if they win all games is England. If they lose two games and Pakistan wins all remaining games then only Pakistan can qualify. Wishful thinking. As always we rely on other team's fortunes.
 
It could go either way. Either they will raise their game and win all 4 games like cornered tigers, or they will crumble under the pressure and might even lose to Afghanistan. There is no middle ground.
 
England losing was good for Pakistan. Pakistan still need to win out all their matches though.

Scenarios:

Australia already through really, already got their 5 wins.
New Zealand only need 1 win out of 3 now and they have a great NRR. So probably through. Have easy opponents left in West Indies and potentially Pakistan.
India on course to win against Afghanistan so if they win this, only 1 win to reach 5 wins too. Again have easier opponents in WI and Bangladesh.

These top 3 are basically confirmed, and have great NRRs, Pakistan can't catch them even if they get 5 wins in total likely.

England's the only one who's in trouble. Have 3 games remaining, all against the 3 best sides so far Aus, India, New Zealand. Though only need to win 1 probably to qualify, but no easy matches left. If England had won against Sri Lanka, they would have been through and there was no chance for Pakistan. Still England looking like favourites outside of the top 3 to qualify despite last result.
 
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Itachi said:
Nz win and Pakistan will be in deep trouble.
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NZ and Aus are virtually through now even if they lose their remaining games. Only England left to slip up. Windies win really would have put pressure on NZ.
 
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