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ICC World Cup 2019 : Points table, Net Run Rates, qualifying scenarios & Stats thread

Sri Lankan fans probably feeling robbed like we were for that wash out :))
 
Would love to see New Zealand beating England and hopefully ridding this forum of a bunch of whining aunties. Let's go, Kane!
Won't make it that easy for those whining aunties [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION]. If Pakistan gets to the semi-finals, some of us are waiting to unleash ourselves and chase these aunties out in the most brutal way possible.
 
if NZ beat Eng, they will face India in the semis. If they lose, they will face Aus. New Zealanders are mental midgets when it comes to beating Australia in big tournaments. If I were them I would rather face India in the semis and then fancy my chances of beating whoever reaches the final (obviously Pakistan :inzi2)
In conclusion, beating Eng is in NZ's best interest.
 
I wonder if there is a permutation that would allow us to let Bangladesh win and somehow eliminate India if England win, that would be a dream come true.
 
if NZ beat Eng, they will face India in the semis. If they lose, they will face Aus. New Zealanders are mental midgets when it comes to beating Australia in big tournaments. If I were them I would rather face India in the semis and then fancy my chances of beating whoever reaches the final (obviously Pakistan :inzi2)
In conclusion, beating Eng is in NZ's best interest.

They will.
It will be a PAK vs NZ final.
 
I wonder if there is a permutation that would allow us to let Bangladesh win and somehow eliminate India if England win, that would be a dream come true.

No there is none..if eng win means nz lose that means ind will ve at #3 even if they lose vs both SL and bangla which in reality seems less likely even if ind nrr falks behind nz it surly wont be worse than pakistan for sure if psk win vs bangla...its most certain india have qualified..tuktuk vs eng in end made sure ;-)
 
if NZ beat Eng, they will face India in the semis. If they lose, they will face Aus. New Zealanders are mental midgets when it comes to beating Australia in big tournaments. If I were them I would rather face India in the semis and then fancy my chances of beating whoever reaches the final (obviously Pakistan :inzi2)
In conclusion, beating Eng is in NZ's best interest.

Lol not everything is about mentality. NZ have a poor record in all cricket -not just tournaments vs Australia. Beating Australia is a rare occassion. History has little to do with it, looking at the opponents at the moment, Australia are much more beatable for NZ than India right now.
 
We are talking about 2019 WC performance and any neutral person would agree that Pakistan has been much much better than NZ. You cannot talk about previous series as good teams gel and peak at the righttime, cue Pakistan.

No they haven't . NZ have played much better than pakistan. The nrr reflects that.
Pakistan got thrashed awfully by the windies . They also lost worse vs india than we did to australia. They were also very very lucky to beat afganistan thanks to umpiring decisions. NZ thumped afgans and beat windies (a team pakistan lost to in 12 overs!).
Pakistan also got their dream track vs NZ and only just snuck in.

NZ have been the better team in this world cup. The points table/nrr reflects that. Your whinging does not change anything.
 
No they haven't . NZ have played much better than pakistan. The nrr reflects that.
Pakistan got thrashed awfully by the windies . They also lost worse vs india than we did to australia. They were also very very lucky to beat afganistan thanks to umpiring decisions. NZ thumped afgans and beat windies (a team pakistan lost to in 12 overs!).
Pakistan also got their dream track vs NZ and only just snuck in.

NZ have been the better team in this world cup. The points table/nrr reflects that. Your whinging does not change anything.

Only just snuck in??? :)))
It was an one sided match. There was no time when nz looked like they would win.
 
NZ have been the better team in this world cup. The points table/nrr reflects that. Your whinging does not change anything.

From the four games among the top five teams in this tournament, Nzl have won zero, Pakistan have won two. Nzl game was washed out against Ind, and they may beat Eng, but that hasn't happened yet. I hope it does.
 
Only just snuck in??? :)))
It was an one sided match. There was no time when nz looked like they would win.

How can anyone think NZ have been better than Pak in THIS world Cup. Don't talk about last months/years, we are talking about this tournament where even a blind can see that Pakistan has been 10 times better than NZ. Pakistan had one really bad game and unfortunately may pay for that sin.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION], [MENTION=45836]Ashraful_Rox[/MENTION] Bangladesh need to win at least 1 out of the last two games to make this world cup a success. Otherwise, we will finish below SRL and it will wind up being another disaster.

I think,boys have played better than expected, at least in PP. I don't think anyone gave them any chance against SAF & WIN, even AFG was 50/50 :(.... so, in that regard, they have done well, played better than the table and still in the tournament till 8th game. SRL was a bit lucky to earn 2 extra points, but they could have felt hard done by as well for losing 2 points which still could have kept them in SF hunt (technically, still is).

We definitely need to win 1 game, better both, but even without that, I don't think it's a disaster of WC for us - they have done exceptionally well in a WC in UK, should be a motivation for next WC in favorable conditions.
 
No they haven't . NZ have played much better than pakistan. The nrr reflects that.
Pakistan got thrashed awfully by the windies . They also lost worse vs india than we did to australia. They were also very very lucky to beat afganistan thanks to umpiring decisions. NZ thumped afgans and beat windies (a team pakistan lost to in 12 overs!).
Pakistan also got their dream track vs NZ and only just snuck in.

NZ have been the better team in this world cup. The points table/nrr reflects that. Your whinging does not change anything.

NZ were bad in this WC. Barring Williamson rest of the batsmen were duds and they are still in the hunt because "remember the name" miscued one. They were lucky to get one point vs India. They will be eaten alive by Eng if it's a batting track. Their only hope is if the ball seams a bit so Boult can do his magic. India is hoping to meet them in the semis. Heck, everybody is hoping to play them in the semis.
 
Hilarious to see the usual wrist slitter still swinging for the fences :))

Pakistan beat England, New Zealand and South Africa by comprehensively out playing them on all 3 days. Pakistan simply out classed them Alhumdullilah.

Sorry if that hurts the PP Wrist Slitting Society (WSS) but that is simply the fact.

Yes we are in an unfortunate position and yes playing poorly against West Indies and India had a lot to do with that. However you know what else had a lot to do with that? Our game vs SL getting rained off and NZ's game vs India getting rained off



If anything - Pakistan has been the most "un-luckiesr" team in this competition.

If rain hadn't ruined the game vs SL we would have 2 points there and if rain hadn't interrupted the NZ vs India game, India would have beaten them and NZ would have even struggled to reach 11 points.

If you take off your WSS goggles I think you will find that NZ have been the "luckiesr team in this wc"

This is a partial distortion. Pakistan didn’t comprehensively outplay England. It was a super-close thriller, with excellent individual performances on both sides. Pakistan deserved the win for sure - but until the last couple of overs it could have gone either way. England had two centuries in the run chase and made a very good fist of it.
 
NZ were bad in this WC. Barring Williamson rest of the batsmen were duds and they are still in the hunt because "remember the name" miscued one. They were lucky to get one point vs India. They will be eaten alive by Eng if it's a batting track. Their only hope is if the ball seams a bit so Boult can do his magic. India is hoping to meet them in the semis. Heck, everybody is hoping to play them in the semis.

Ind-Eng semi is more likely than Ind-NZ semi.
 
NZ were bad in this WC. Barring Williamson rest of the batsmen were duds and they are still in the hunt because "remember the name" miscued one. They were lucky to get one point vs India. They will be eaten alive by Eng if it's a batting track. Their only hope is if the ball seams a bit so Boult can do his magic. India is hoping to meet them in the semis. Heck, everybody is hoping to play them in the semis.

Rubbish. Pakistan got bowled out for 105 by windies and lost in 13 overs. NZ overall performance has been better than pakistan. Loss by 86 run vs Aussie and took pakistan to the last over in their dream spinning track.
The luckiest win of this wc was pak vs afghan.

If you dont make the semis its because 4 teams played better than you overall.

If you do good luck.
 
More than lucky unlucky, Pakistan think tank has been foolish and ignorant where as NZ think tank has played it smart.
Pakistan:
Did not bat 50 overs against WI and let them score in 13 overs
Did not score fast against India when defeat was certain
Did not close the match against NZ faster. That wold have been a double benefit

NZ:
Stretched the Pakistan game
Played other games close too barring Aus
 
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Stupid captaincy and defensive mindset will cost us at the end.
1. Instead of bowling out Afghanistan under 150 and chase it by 30-35 overs we stretched the match untilt 50th over.
2. We could have won over 100 runs against S Africa if we did all attack
3. We lost to Tournament's weakest team WI and let them chase the total around 13 overs.
4. Lost to India with big margin because dumb captaincy let him score 140
5. Play careless shots against Australia cause us loose the game.
 
No they haven't . NZ have played much better than pakistan. The nrr reflects that.
Pakistan got thrashed awfully by the windies . They also lost worse vs india than we did to australia. They were also very very lucky to beat afganistan thanks to umpiring decisions. NZ thumped afgans and beat windies (a team pakistan lost to in 12 overs!).
Pakistan also got their dream track vs NZ and only just snuck in.

NZ have been the better team in this world cup. The points table/nrr reflects that. Your whinging does not change anything.

NZ are quite lucky actually in this WC - most undeserving semi-finalist. Just count their luck here (No, I am not counting Mushi's blunder or Kock's nativity, or B'waite's miscalculation - those are part of game)

1. They started their WC with 3 Asian teams - none of whom had much clue about English condition, and built their NRR by bashing two of those before they settled down. Keeping BD-NZ game aside, I am damn sure had Kiwis played AFG & SRL may be couple of weeks into WC, both games would have been much closer, costing Kiwi's a good chunk of their superior NRR.

2. They are supposed to be hammered by IND (I know, they won in warm-ups :) ) - that game got washed out earning them a crucial 1 point. Two of the close runners got their game washed out against the same opponent Kiwi's won chasing inside 15 overs. Imagine a situation where one of Kiwi's game against AFG or SRL got washed out and IND game goes on - they could have been sitting now at 9 points with much, much inferior NRR and a game against top seed ENG to come.

3. They are a team that fading away fast - but their schedule allowed them to play against weaker teams at the start. The way Kiwi's are declining, if the fixture would have altered, my hunch is Kiwis still would have lost every game that they have lost so far, but could have slipped one or two against their 5 wins as well.

Overall, not a very good unit - led by a fantastic Captain, who is their best player, but overall, most of their players have under punched in this WC. They'll face Aussies in SF most likely and might not even compete there.
 
NZ are quite lucky actually in this WC - most undeserving semi-finalist. Just count their luck here (No, I am not counting Mushi's blunder or Kock's nativity, or B'waite's miscalculation - those are part of game)

1. They started their WC with 3 Asian teams - none of whom had much clue about English condition, and built their NRR by bashing two of those before they settled down. Keeping BD-NZ game aside, I am damn sure had Kiwis played AFG & SRL may be couple of weeks into WC, both games would have been much closer, costing Kiwi's a good chunk of their superior NRR.

2. They are supposed to be hammered by IND (I know, they won in warm-ups :) ) - that game got washed out earning them a crucial 1 point. Two of the close runners got their game washed out against the same opponent Kiwi's won chasing inside 15 overs. Imagine a situation where one of Kiwi's game against AFG or SRL got washed out and IND game goes on - they could have been sitting now at 9 points with much, much inferior NRR and a game against top seed ENG to come.

3. They are a team that fading away fast - but their schedule allowed them to play against weaker teams at the start. The way Kiwi's are declining, if the fixture would have altered, my hunch is Kiwis still would have lost every game that they have lost so far, but could have slipped one or two against their 5 wins as well.

Overall, not a very good unit - led by a fantastic Captain, who is their best player, but overall, most of their players have under punched in this WC. They'll face Aussies in SF most likely and might not even compete there.

NZ will not face Australia in the semis if SA beat Australia and India win both their games. In all other scenarios it should be Aus v NZ and Ind v Eng
 
How can anyone think NZ have been better than Pak in THIS world Cup. Don't talk about last months/years, we are talking about this tournament where even a blind can see that Pakistan has been 10 times better than NZ. Pakistan had one really bad game and unfortunately may pay for that sin.

Pakistan fans (not all of you), quit whinging and leave NZ alone, It's not their fault you guys are in this position of relying on other results to make the semis. You simply haven't played consistently well enough. Own it & quit blaming luck, conspiracy theories etc, you come across as cry-babies and more than that poor losers.
 
NZ are quite lucky actually in this WC - most undeserving semi-finalist. Just count their luck here (No, I am not counting Mushi's blunder or Kock's nativity, or B'waite's miscalculation - those are part of game)

1. They started their WC with 3 Asian teams - none of whom had much clue about English condition, and built their NRR by bashing two of those before they settled down. Keeping BD-NZ game aside, I am damn sure had Kiwis played AFG & SRL may be couple of weeks into WC, both games would have been much closer, costing Kiwi's a good chunk of their superior NRR.

2. They are supposed to be hammered by IND (I know, they won in warm-ups :) ) - that game got washed out earning them a crucial 1 point. Two of the close runners got their game washed out against the same opponent Kiwi's won chasing inside 15 overs. Imagine a situation where one of Kiwi's game against AFG or SRL got washed out and IND game goes on - they could have been sitting now at 9 points with much, much inferior NRR and a game against top seed ENG to come.

3. They are a team that fading away fast - but their schedule allowed them to play against weaker teams at the start. The way Kiwi's are declining, if the fixture would have altered, my hunch is Kiwis still would have lost every game that they have lost so far, but could have slipped one or two against their 5 wins as well.

Overall, not a very good unit - led by a fantastic Captain, who is their best player, but overall, most of their players have under punched in this WC. They'll face Aussies in SF most likely and might not even compete there.

Would you like a tissue?
 
This is a partial distortion. Pakistan didn’t comprehensively outplay England. It was a super-close thriller, with excellent individual performances on both sides. Pakistan deserved the win for sure - but until the last couple of overs it could have gone either way. England had two centuries in the run chase and made a very good fist of it.

Yup Butler and Root kept England in contention - however, once Butler was dismissed in the 45th over and Eng still needed 60 runs to win it was over for England.

I would call it a close match however not a "super close thriller" - but sure - that is just my opinion and your opinion may differ from mine which I totally understand.

What I dont get is some members of the WSS so strongly feeling that Pakistan don't deserve a SF spot....yet are ok with NZ & Eng getting a SF spot......even though Pak beat NZ and Eng....

....:afaq....

Makes no sense.

Dont get me wrong - whoever ends up qualifying deserves to qualify - however, it doesn't mean that Pakistan will not be unfortunate to miss out on qualification to 2 teams whom they managed to beat at the group stage IMO.
 
What I dont get is some members of the WSS so strongly feeling that Pakistan don't deserve a SF spot....yet are ok with NZ & Eng getting a SF spot......even though Pak beat NZ and Eng....


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So what? England and NZ both beat the West Indies, and Pakistan lost to them. Also Pakistan played NZ on a re-used slow turning pitch that was much better suited to Pakistan. NZ would have thrashed Pakistan had they played them on the seaming wicket they thrashed SL on.

Also Pakistan struggled to even beat Afghanistan, and did their NRR no favors in games they should have won earlier. That is their fault, so I'm not sure why you're whining about other teams perhaps not deserving it, when your team most certainly didn't.

I couldn't imagine NZ and England fans whining if the shoe was on the other foot, I'm guessing they would mostly admit their team didn't deserve it, without worrying about other teams.
 
So what? England and NZ both beat the West Indies, and Pakistan lost to them. Also Pakistan played NZ on a re-used slow turning pitch that was much better suited to Pakistan. NZ would have thrashed Pakistan had they played them on the seaming wicket they thrashed SL on.

Also Pakistan struggled to even beat Afghanistan, and did their NRR no favors in games they should have won earlier. That is their fault, so I'm not sure why you're whining about other teams perhaps not deserving it, when your team most certainly didn't.

I couldn't imagine NZ and England fans whining if the shoe was on the other foot, I'm guessing they would mostly admit their team didn't deserve it, without worrying about other teams.

:)) :))

It's as if you have never seen English media.

They still whine about losing in 92 and the caught behind not being given out & yet you think they wouldn't whine about missing out here.

Again - you are not saying anything different....or anything smarter for that matter....than the rest of the WSS.

Did I say "Pak beat Eng and Eng beat Ind so Pak are better than Ind"?

No I didnt.

What I said is:

> Pak beat NZ and Pak could end up on the same number of points as NZ - yet NZ may still qualify ahead of Pak which is unfortunate for Pak

> Pak beat End and could have end up on the same number of points as Eng if it wasn't for rain in the game vs SL - yet Eng may now qualify ahead of Pak which is unfortunate for Pak

Suddenly the WSS is giving a lot more weightage to NRR rather than wins & losses since its suits their agenda, which is pathetic to see.

The fact that Pak beat Eng and NZ means nothing but the fact that Pak got thumped by WI and couldn't thump Afg is more important? Seriously? Pathetic.

In 2023 lets have all the team just play against Afg and WI and decide who plays the SF based on who ever can win those 2 games by the biggest margins.
 
:)) :))



Did I say "Pak beat Eng and Eng beat Ind so Pak are better than Ind"?

No I didnt.

What I said is:

> Pak beat NZ and Pak could end up on the same number of points as NZ - yet NZ may still qualify ahead of Pak which is unfortunate for Pak





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I don't care about the British media, I'm addressing you and your post so don't point to them, take responsibility for your own whining.

I did say I'm sure most NZ and England fans would accept if they didn't make the semis had they played inconsistently and didn't deserve it. I don't think many would moan about other teams who they feel didn't deserve it either, like you are doing. That's just called being a bad sport.

I would be a bit like coming 4th in an Olympic race, and instead of accepting it moaning about how the person winning the bronze was lucky. If any athlete was to carry on like you, they'd rightfully be labelled as a 'poor sportsman'

On your last point, the fact NZ have a better NRR than Pakistan is they've been better in their wins, and not so bad in their losses. You do understand how NRR work right? It's the overall difference of for and against run-rates. And as it stands NZ are in positive territory and Pakistan negative.
 
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I did say I'm sure most NZ and England fans would accept if they didn't make the semis had they played inconsistently and didn't deserve it. I don't think many would moan about other teams who they feel didn't deserve it either, like you are doing. That's just called being a bad sport.

For someone who is addressing me and my point & doesn't care about British media you sure seem obsessed with how NZ and Eng would react :))

On your last point, the fact NZ have a better NRR than Pakistan is they've been better in their wins, and not so bad in their losses. You do understand how NRR work right? It's the overall difference of for and against run-rates. And as it stands NZ are in positive territory and Pakistan negative

Yea.....thanks for stating the obvious Sherlock.

Do you understand the concept of winning and losing?

I would be a bit like coming 4th in an Olympic race, and instead of accepting it moaning about how the person winning the bronze was lucky. If any athlete was to carry on like you, they'd rightfully be labelled as a 'poor sportsman'

That analogy is wrong since the athlete who came 4th didnt beat the athlete who came 1st - like Pakistan have beaten NZ and Eng here.

Or are you saying having a higher NRR is a bigger victory than actually winning cricket matches.....? :afaq

Now let me save you some time - you can selectively respond to sections of my posts all day but the simple fact is that you're wrong and your analogies make no sense.

> Pak beat NZ and Pak could end up on the same number of points as NZ - yet NZ may still qualify ahead of Pak which is unfortunate for Pak

> Pak beat End and could have end up on the same number of points as Eng if it wasn't for rain in the game vs SL - yet Eng may now qualify ahead of Pak which is unfortunate for Pak

Unless you have something new to add to your flawed argument I'm done with you. Bye :)
 
For someone who is addressing me and my point & doesn't care about British media you sure seem obsessed with how NZ and Eng would react :))



Yea.....thanks for stating the obvious Sherlock.

Do you understand the concept of winning and losing?



That analogy is wrong since the athlete who came 4th didnt beat the athlete who came 1st - like Pakistan have beaten NZ and Eng here.

Or are you saying having a higher NRR is a bigger victory than actually winning cricket matches.....? :afaq

Now let me save you some time - you can selectively respond to sections of my posts all day but the simple fact is that you're wrong and your analogies make no sense.

> Pak beat NZ and Pak could end up on the same number of points as NZ - yet NZ may still qualify ahead of Pak which is unfortunate for Pak

> Pak beat End and could have end up on the same number of points as Eng if it wasn't for rain in the game vs SL - yet Eng may now qualify ahead of Pak which is unfortunate for Pak

Unless you have something new to add to your flawed argument I'm done with you. Bye :)

You're done because you lost. (and notice I don't need your stupid laughing smilies to make my points as if that somehow adds to your argument)

You've realized that crying about how unjust the world is doesn't change the fact your team wasn't good enough to make the semis, without now relying on other sides winning and losing (as you are for NZ to beat England.)

Hopefully you've learned something, and won't be such whiny bad sport in the future. It's only a sport afterall, and good fans concede when their team wasn't good enough. Luckily there are some very good Pakistan fans on this site who aren't whining looking for excuses.
 
You're done because you lost. (and notice I don't need your stupid laughing smilies to make my points as if that somehow adds to your argument)

You've realized that crying about how unjust the world is doesn't change the fact your team wasn't good enough to make the semis, without now relying on other sides winning and losing (as you are for NZ to beat England.)

Hopefully you've learned something, and won't be such whiny bad sport in the future. It's only a sport afterall, and good fans concede when their team wasn't good enough. Luckily there are some very good Pakistan fans on this site who aren't whining looking for excuses.

> Pak beat NZ and Pak could end up on the same number of points as NZ - yet NZ may still qualify ahead of Pak which is unfortunate for Pak

> Pak beat End and could have end up on the same number of points as Eng if it wasn't for rain in the game vs SL - yet Eng may now qualify ahead of Pak which is unfortunate for Pak

Look who suddenly thinks they understand the concept of winning and losing :))

Bye bye :)
 
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So what? England and NZ both beat the West Indies, and Pakistan lost to them. Also Pakistan played NZ on a re-used slow turning pitch that was much better suited to Pakistan. NZ would have thrashed Pakistan had they played them on the seaming wicket they thrashed SL on.

Also Pakistan struggled to even beat Afghanistan, and did their NRR no favors in games they should have won earlier. That is their fault, so I'm not sure why you're whining about other teams perhaps not deserving it, when your team most certainly didn't.

I couldn't imagine NZ and England fans whining if the shoe was on the other foot, I'm guessing they would mostly admit their team didn't deserve it, without worrying about other teams.

First of all no one is whining. You're just extra touchy.

People are pointing out that luck has been on NZ's side. As a Pakistan fan, I would've rather had my game against India rained out than Sri Lanka.

Imagine if a country had games against Sri Lanka, West Indies and Afghanistan rained out. And had to beat everyone else to qualify. Would you not agree in saying that is quite unlucky?

It's like denying the element of luck involved in Pakistan's win in 92. Imagine if the game against England was played to conclusion.

Or even the one against South Africa.
 
I don't care about the British media, I'm addressing you and your post so don't point to them, take responsibility for your own whining.

I did say I'm sure most NZ and England fans would accept if they didn't make the semis had they played inconsistently and didn't deserve it. I don't think many would moan about other teams who they feel didn't deserve it either, like you are doing. That's just called being a bad sport.

I would be a bit like coming 4th in an Olympic race, and instead of accepting it moaning about how the person winning the bronze was lucky. If any athlete was to carry on like you, they'd rightfully be labelled as a 'poor sportsman'

On your last point, the fact NZ have a better NRR than Pakistan is they've been better in their wins, and not so bad in their losses. You do understand how NRR work right? It's the overall difference of for and against run-rates. And as it stands NZ are in positive territory and Pakistan negative.

But England didn't have any games rained out. Pakistan and New Zealand both did. Pakistan's match was against arguably an inferior team while New Zealand's game was against a far superior team.

How can you in good conscience deny that there is an element of luck involved?
 
But England didn't have any games rained out. Pakistan and New Zealand both did. Pakistan's match was against arguably an inferior team while New Zealand's game was against a far superior team.

How can you in good conscience deny that there is an element of luck involved?

:O :O

How dare you argue with logic and common sense?!?! :))
 
Bd are out now. It's between pak and eng for the last spot. If eng win tomorrow, pk will be out (realistically)
 
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And we are done

A Bd victory would have meant that NZ would play out of their skins to ensure that they defeated England tomorrow

But Bd losing means that NZ can take the foot off the gas tomorrow if the going gets tough to make sure that their NRR isnt damaged too much

It is all over for us
 
And we are done

A Bd victory would have meant that NZ would play out of their skins to ensure that they defeated England tomorrow

But Bd losing means that NZ can take the foot off the gas tomorrow if the going gets tough to make sure that their NRR isnt damaged too much

It is all over for us

Chill man. Win the toss bat first, get a score , get guptill into form.
Then we just need 2 Boult strikes upfront.

Keep the faith inshaAllah
 
Will be a minor miracle if they beat England tomorrow.

I honestly think NZ will get annihilated.
 
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And what if England absolutely maul New Zealand, like if they win by 150 + plus runs or 9 or 10 wickets?

Number of wickets don’t have any relevance with regards to NRR. NRR is calculated based on margin of victory by runs if batting first, and overs left while chasing.
Pakistan and NZ have gap of around 350-400 runs, makes it practically impossible to dethrone NZ. Only way Pakistan can go thru is if Eng lose the game against NZ and Pakistan wins against BD
 
And we are done

A Bd victory would have meant that NZ would play out of their skins to ensure that they defeated England tomorrow

But Bd losing means that NZ can take the foot off the gas tomorrow if the going gets tough to make sure that their NRR isnt damaged too much

It is all over for us

This is a very very understated point. Kiwis will play safe for sure
 
In the scenario where England win tomorrow.
Then in Pak vs Bang match, lets say bowling 1st we get Bang out for something around 150-200 runs.

How quickly would we have to chase that?
 
In the scenario where England win tomorrow.
Then in Pak vs Bang match, lets say bowling 1st we get Bang out for something around 150-200 runs.

How quickly would we have to chase that?

It's virtually impossible for Pak to overtake NZ's NRR. Even if NZ got bowled out for 100, Australia chase it in 10 overs, then Bangla gets bowled out for 100 and Pak chase it down in 10 overs, even in this scenario NZ will be ahead of Pak in NRR
 
England’s luck is in, because other results are going their way. They will of course be aiming to book their semi-final place today against New Zealand, but even in the disastrous event of a loss, they can still hope that Bangladesh do them a favour and beat Pakistan later this week. This would send England through.
 
England’s luck is in, because other results are going their way. They will of course be aiming to book their semi-final place today against New Zealand, but even in the disastrous event of a loss, they can still hope that Bangladesh do them a favour and beat Pakistan later this week. This would send England through.

But if England don't win this match, there will be serious question marks about this team and they will face a red-hot Australia in the semis and Australia shift into a higher gear in knockouts .
 
Well if Sri Lanka can beat England. New Zealand can as well.

In Guptill, Kane, Ross, Boult and Ferguson we trust. Oh and also Grandhomme. :P
 
Is there any chance for Pakistan to qualify if NZ lose today? Where is the quintessential PP Excel sheet!!!!

Heard on radio that if Pakistan make 400 then they would have to bowl out Bangladesh for 14 (not sure if heard right, it is either 14 or 40)..
But they were not talking about it too much as Kiwis are pretty much guaranteed a semi final place
 
Rather than blame India or NZ for us not qualifying, we have been very unlucky with the rain this time round, against sri lanka it was very unfortunate as we have beaten them in every single world cup game till now jus tlike how india dominates us in world cup games so we defentely would have fancied our chances and then NZ v India got rained off and they both got a point each, most unfortunate, the scenario would have been different but out of our hands.
 
Won't make it that easy for those whining aunties [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION]. If Pakistan gets to the semi-finals, some of us are waiting to unleash ourselves and chase these aunties out in the most brutal way possible.

Indeed. The only certainty in this WC thus far are Mamoon's predictions falling flat. :)

Would love to see New Zealand beating England and hopefully ridding this forum of a bunch of whining aunties. Let's go, Kane!

I sincerely hope PCB starts taking note of the misery of fans like you. It is not that you don’t deserve this for being delusional, but it is about time PCB pays back this unwavering support. If this group stage exit can prove to be a catalyst, it will be worth it.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]. Why are you so critical of the Pakistan team. Do you have some sort of inferiority complex? Did you even celebrate the CT17 victory. Everyone knows that this WC was the end of Malik, Hafeez and Riaz, whether we won or got knocked out in the group stages. Secondly, when has an early exit ever changed the PCB's approach in team selection.
 
I sincerely hope PCB starts taking note of the misery of fans like you. It is not that you don’t deserve this for being delusional, but it is about time PCB pays back this unwavering support. If this group stage exit can prove to be a catalyst, it will be worth it.

Pakistan have played much better than most expected. Beat SA. NZ, and ENG, and from the looks of it will end up 5th, just on the outskirts of the Top 4. Proved you wrong in all your match predictions.

Not that facts matters to you, seeing as your first and second favourite teams are through.

At least you got to watch this world cup, unlike in 1992 :19:
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]. Why are you so critical of the Pakistan team. Do you have some sort of inferiority complex? Did you even celebrate the CT17 victory. Everyone knows that this WC was the end of Malik, Hafeez and Riaz, whether we won or got knocked out in the group stages. Secondly, when has an early exit ever changed the PCB's approach in team selection.

Because it is a circus team that entered the World Cup with a 13 match losing streak and was hoping for miracles. We have been mediocre for too long because of our rotten mentality. We take pride in nonsense like unpredictability and cornered tigers etc. We need to forget 92 and focus on achieving long-term consistency.
 
Because it is a circus team that entered the World Cup with a 13 match losing streak and was hoping for miracles. We have been mediocre for too long because of our rotten mentality. We take pride in nonsense like unpredictability and cornered tigers etc. We need to forget 92 and focus on achieving long-term consistency.

You never watched 92, so you can forget it. :)
 
I sincerely hope PCB starts taking note of the misery of fans like you. It is not that you don’t deserve this for being delusional, but it is about time PCB pays back this unwavering support. If this group stage exit can prove to be a catalyst, it will be worth it.

FYI

People support teams due to their bonding with it not on the basis of losses or wins.

We will always back and support the PAK cricket team.

In the end you know its a game.. relax..
 
There were teams with a better winning streak than Pakistan heading into this world cup, and still ended below Pakistan in this world cup! Proving ranking and streaks do not mean anything when playing tournaments.
 
I hope those that have been living in cuckoo land have landed safely back on earth. We were out of the tournament the moment Windies skittled us for 105.
 
The funny thing is some Pakistani fans made fun of bowlers like Sheldon Cottrell, Oshane Thomas, Jason Holder, etc when BD was playing them.

Turns out it was these bowlers who knocked out Pak from semi.
 
The funny thing is some Pakistani fans made fun of bowlers like Sheldon Cottrell, Oshane Thomas, Jason Holder, etc when BD was playing them.

Turns out it was these bowlers who knocked out Pak from semi.

No we were knocked out of the World Cup because our two senior players of 15 years experienced were dismissed for ducks or by part timers when the game was on the line
 
The funny thing is some Pakistani fans made fun of bowlers like Sheldon Cottrell, Oshane Thomas, Jason Holder, etc when BD was playing them.

Turns out it was these bowlers who knocked out Pak from semi.

No they didnt its a 9 game tournament. There are several reasons. Besides the wicket PAK played on was a bouncy track on a cold May morning. Cant compare that with the Bangla game.

From a PAK pov we will curse the rain vs SL and the number of times NZ got lucky. Braithwate should have finished that chase of vs them. Really..
 
There were teams with a better winning streak than Pakistan heading into this world cup, and still ended below Pakistan in this world cup! Proving ranking and streaks do not mean anything when playing tournaments.

This, You do not have to prove it because, anyone with little understanding and who isn't wrist slitter would understand this simple concept.

About deserving, whoever made it to the final, deserve it.
 
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Andy Zaltzman

Test Match Special statistician

The absolute key for Pakistan is to win the toss because if they bowl first - even if they bowl Bangladesh out for nought they couldn't overtake on run-rate. They have to bat first and score 480, then bowl out Bangladesh for 160, they need to win by about 320 runs.
 
There were teams with a better winning streak than Pakistan heading into this world cup, and still ended below Pakistan in this world cup! Proving ranking and streaks do not mean anything when playing tournaments.

That remains to be seen though.

Sri Lanka can win the last game and Pakistan could lose to Bangladesh to end up 7th.

So its a bit early to say we ended up higher than everyone.
 
Andy Zaltzman

Test Match Special statistician

The absolute key for Pakistan is to win the toss because if they bowl first - even if they bowl Bangladesh out for nought they couldn't overtake on run-rate. They have to bat first and score 480, then bowl out Bangladesh for 160, they need to win by about 320 runs.
Someone send an email to this Andy bloke to stop trolling us.

Mazay le rahe hain sab ab :ssmith
 
Scenarios for Pakistan to Qualify:
Score 350 and bowl them out for 38
Score 400 and bowl them out for 84
Score 450 and bowl them out for 129
Score 500 and bowl them out for 175

If we bowl first there is no mathematical chance
 
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