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Won't make it that easy for those whining aunties [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION]. If Pakistan gets to the semi-finals, some of us are waiting to unleash ourselves and chase these aunties out in the most brutal way possible.Would love to see New Zealand beating England and hopefully ridding this forum of a bunch of whining aunties. Let's go, Kane!
They had 2 washouts they must be feeing robbed twice...hahahSri Lankan fans probably feeling robbed like we were for that wash out![]()
if NZ beat Eng, they will face India in the semis. If they lose, they will face Aus. New Zealanders are mental midgets when it comes to beating Australia in big tournaments. If I were them I would rather face India in the semis and then fancy my chances of beating whoever reaches the final (obviously Pakistan)
In conclusion, beating Eng is in NZ's best interest.
I wonder if there is a permutation that would allow us to let Bangladesh win and somehow eliminate India if England win, that would be a dream come true.
if NZ beat Eng, they will face India in the semis. If they lose, they will face Aus. New Zealanders are mental midgets when it comes to beating Australia in big tournaments. If I were them I would rather face India in the semis and then fancy my chances of beating whoever reaches the final (obviously Pakistan)
In conclusion, beating Eng is in NZ's best interest.
We are talking about 2019 WC performance and any neutral person would agree that Pakistan has been much much better than NZ. You cannot talk about previous series as good teams gel and peak at the righttime, cue Pakistan.
No they haven't . NZ have played much better than pakistan. The nrr reflects that.
Pakistan got thrashed awfully by the windies . They also lost worse vs india than we did to australia. They were also very very lucky to beat afganistan thanks to umpiring decisions. NZ thumped afgans and beat windies (a team pakistan lost to in 12 overs!).
Pakistan also got their dream track vs NZ and only just snuck in.
NZ have been the better team in this world cup. The points table/nrr reflects that. Your whinging does not change anything.
NZ have been the better team in this world cup. The points table/nrr reflects that. Your whinging does not change anything.
Only just snuck in???)
It was an one sided match. There was no time when nz looked like they would win.
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION], [MENTION=45836]Ashraful_Rox[/MENTION] Bangladesh need to win at least 1 out of the last two games to make this world cup a success. Otherwise, we will finish below SRL and it will wind up being another disaster.
No they haven't . NZ have played much better than pakistan. The nrr reflects that.
Pakistan got thrashed awfully by the windies . They also lost worse vs india than we did to australia. They were also very very lucky to beat afganistan thanks to umpiring decisions. NZ thumped afgans and beat windies (a team pakistan lost to in 12 overs!).
Pakistan also got their dream track vs NZ and only just snuck in.
NZ have been the better team in this world cup. The points table/nrr reflects that. Your whinging does not change anything.
Hilarious to see the usual wrist slitter still swinging for the fences![]()
Pakistan beat England, New Zealand and South Africa by comprehensively out playing them on all 3 days. Pakistan simply out classed them Alhumdullilah.
Sorry if that hurts the PP Wrist Slitting Society (WSS) but that is simply the fact.
Yes we are in an unfortunate position and yes playing poorly against West Indies and India had a lot to do with that. However you know what else had a lot to do with that? Our game vs SL getting rained off and NZ's game vs India getting rained off
If anything - Pakistan has been the most "un-luckiesr" team in this competition.
If rain hadn't ruined the game vs SL we would have 2 points there and if rain hadn't interrupted the NZ vs India game, India would have beaten them and NZ would have even struggled to reach 11 points.
If you take off your WSS goggles I think you will find that NZ have been the "luckiesr team in this wc"
NZ were bad in this WC. Barring Williamson rest of the batsmen were duds and they are still in the hunt because "remember the name" miscued one. They were lucky to get one point vs India. They will be eaten alive by Eng if it's a batting track. Their only hope is if the ball seams a bit so Boult can do his magic. India is hoping to meet them in the semis. Heck, everybody is hoping to play them in the semis.
NZ were bad in this WC. Barring Williamson rest of the batsmen were duds and they are still in the hunt because "remember the name" miscued one. They were lucky to get one point vs India. They will be eaten alive by Eng if it's a batting track. Their only hope is if the ball seams a bit so Boult can do his magic. India is hoping to meet them in the semis. Heck, everybody is hoping to play them in the semis.
No they haven't . NZ have played much better than pakistan. The nrr reflects that.
Pakistan got thrashed awfully by the windies . They also lost worse vs india than we did to australia. They were also very very lucky to beat afganistan thanks to umpiring decisions. NZ thumped afgans and beat windies (a team pakistan lost to in 12 overs!).
Pakistan also got their dream track vs NZ and only just snuck in.
NZ have been the better team in this world cup. The points table/nrr reflects that. Your whinging does not change anything.
NZ are quite lucky actually in this WC - most undeserving semi-finalist. Just count their luck here (No, I am not counting Mushi's blunder or Kock's nativity, or B'waite's miscalculation - those are part of game)
1. They started their WC with 3 Asian teams - none of whom had much clue about English condition, and built their NRR by bashing two of those before they settled down. Keeping BD-NZ game aside, I am damn sure had Kiwis played AFG & SRL may be couple of weeks into WC, both games would have been much closer, costing Kiwi's a good chunk of their superior NRR.
2. They are supposed to be hammered by IND (I know, they won in warm-ups) - that game got washed out earning them a crucial 1 point. Two of the close runners got their game washed out against the same opponent Kiwi's won chasing inside 15 overs. Imagine a situation where one of Kiwi's game against AFG or SRL got washed out and IND game goes on - they could have been sitting now at 9 points with much, much inferior NRR and a game against top seed ENG to come.
3. They are a team that fading away fast - but their schedule allowed them to play against weaker teams at the start. The way Kiwi's are declining, if the fixture would have altered, my hunch is Kiwis still would have lost every game that they have lost so far, but could have slipped one or two against their 5 wins as well.
Overall, not a very good unit - led by a fantastic Captain, who is their best player, but overall, most of their players have under punched in this WC. They'll face Aussies in SF most likely and might not even compete there.
How can anyone think NZ have been better than Pak in THIS world Cup. Don't talk about last months/years, we are talking about this tournament where even a blind can see that Pakistan has been 10 times better than NZ. Pakistan had one really bad game and unfortunately may pay for that sin.
NZ are quite lucky actually in this WC - most undeserving semi-finalist. Just count their luck here (No, I am not counting Mushi's blunder or Kock's nativity, or B'waite's miscalculation - those are part of game)
1. They started their WC with 3 Asian teams - none of whom had much clue about English condition, and built their NRR by bashing two of those before they settled down. Keeping BD-NZ game aside, I am damn sure had Kiwis played AFG & SRL may be couple of weeks into WC, both games would have been much closer, costing Kiwi's a good chunk of their superior NRR.
2. They are supposed to be hammered by IND (I know, they won in warm-ups) - that game got washed out earning them a crucial 1 point. Two of the close runners got their game washed out against the same opponent Kiwi's won chasing inside 15 overs. Imagine a situation where one of Kiwi's game against AFG or SRL got washed out and IND game goes on - they could have been sitting now at 9 points with much, much inferior NRR and a game against top seed ENG to come.
3. They are a team that fading away fast - but their schedule allowed them to play against weaker teams at the start. The way Kiwi's are declining, if the fixture would have altered, my hunch is Kiwis still would have lost every game that they have lost so far, but could have slipped one or two against their 5 wins as well.
Overall, not a very good unit - led by a fantastic Captain, who is their best player, but overall, most of their players have under punched in this WC. They'll face Aussies in SF most likely and might not even compete there.
This is a partial distortion. Pakistan didn’t comprehensively outplay England. It was a super-close thriller, with excellent individual performances on both sides. Pakistan deserved the win for sure - but until the last couple of overs it could have gone either way. England had two centuries in the run chase and made a very good fist of it.
What I dont get is some members of the WSS so strongly feeling that Pakistan don't deserve a SF spot....yet are ok with NZ & Eng getting a SF spot......even though Pak beat NZ and Eng....
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So what? England and NZ both beat the West Indies, and Pakistan lost to them. Also Pakistan played NZ on a re-used slow turning pitch that was much better suited to Pakistan. NZ would have thrashed Pakistan had they played them on the seaming wicket they thrashed SL on.
Also Pakistan struggled to even beat Afghanistan, and did their NRR no favors in games they should have won earlier. That is their fault, so I'm not sure why you're whining about other teams perhaps not deserving it, when your team most certainly didn't.
I couldn't imagine NZ and England fans whining if the shoe was on the other foot, I'm guessing they would mostly admit their team didn't deserve it, without worrying about other teams.
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Did I say "Pak beat Eng and Eng beat Ind so Pak are better than Ind"?
No I didnt.
What I said is:
> Pak beat NZ and Pak could end up on the same number of points as NZ - yet NZ may still qualify ahead of Pak which is unfortunate for Pak
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I did say I'm sure most NZ and England fans would accept if they didn't make the semis had they played inconsistently and didn't deserve it. I don't think many would moan about other teams who they feel didn't deserve it either, like you are doing. That's just called being a bad sport.
On your last point, the fact NZ have a better NRR than Pakistan is they've been better in their wins, and not so bad in their losses. You do understand how NRR work right? It's the overall difference of for and against run-rates. And as it stands NZ are in positive territory and Pakistan negative
I would be a bit like coming 4th in an Olympic race, and instead of accepting it moaning about how the person winning the bronze was lucky. If any athlete was to carry on like you, they'd rightfully be labelled as a 'poor sportsman'
For someone who is addressing me and my point & doesn't care about British media you sure seem obsessed with how NZ and Eng would react
Yea.....thanks for stating the obvious Sherlock.
Do you understand the concept of winning and losing?
That analogy is wrong since the athlete who came 4th didnt beat the athlete who came 1st - like Pakistan have beaten NZ and Eng here.
Or are you saying having a higher NRR is a bigger victory than actually winning cricket matches.....?![]()
Now let me save you some time - you can selectively respond to sections of my posts all day but the simple fact is that you're wrong and your analogies make no sense.
> Pak beat NZ and Pak could end up on the same number of points as NZ - yet NZ may still qualify ahead of Pak which is unfortunate for Pak
> Pak beat End and could have end up on the same number of points as Eng if it wasn't for rain in the game vs SL - yet Eng may now qualify ahead of Pak which is unfortunate for Pak
Unless you have something new to add to your flawed argument I'm done with you. Bye![]()
You're done because you lost. (and notice I don't need your stupid laughing smilies to make my points as if that somehow adds to your argument)
You've realized that crying about how unjust the world is doesn't change the fact your team wasn't good enough to make the semis, without now relying on other sides winning and losing (as you are for NZ to beat England.)
Hopefully you've learned something, and won't be such whiny bad sport in the future. It's only a sport afterall, and good fans concede when their team wasn't good enough. Luckily there are some very good Pakistan fans on this site who aren't whining looking for excuses.
So what? England and NZ both beat the West Indies, and Pakistan lost to them. Also Pakistan played NZ on a re-used slow turning pitch that was much better suited to Pakistan. NZ would have thrashed Pakistan had they played them on the seaming wicket they thrashed SL on.
Also Pakistan struggled to even beat Afghanistan, and did their NRR no favors in games they should have won earlier. That is their fault, so I'm not sure why you're whining about other teams perhaps not deserving it, when your team most certainly didn't.
I couldn't imagine NZ and England fans whining if the shoe was on the other foot, I'm guessing they would mostly admit their team didn't deserve it, without worrying about other teams.
I don't care about the British media, I'm addressing you and your post so don't point to them, take responsibility for your own whining.
I did say I'm sure most NZ and England fans would accept if they didn't make the semis had they played inconsistently and didn't deserve it. I don't think many would moan about other teams who they feel didn't deserve it either, like you are doing. That's just called being a bad sport.
I would be a bit like coming 4th in an Olympic race, and instead of accepting it moaning about how the person winning the bronze was lucky. If any athlete was to carry on like you, they'd rightfully be labelled as a 'poor sportsman'
On your last point, the fact NZ have a better NRR than Pakistan is they've been better in their wins, and not so bad in their losses. You do understand how NRR work right? It's the overall difference of for and against run-rates. And as it stands NZ are in positive territory and Pakistan negative.
But England didn't have any games rained out. Pakistan and New Zealand both did. Pakistan's match was against arguably an inferior team while New Zealand's game was against a far superior team.
How can you in good conscience deny that there is an element of luck involved?
And we are done
A Bd victory would have meant that NZ would play out of their skins to ensure that they defeated England tomorrow
But Bd losing means that NZ can take the foot off the gas tomorrow if the going gets tough to make sure that their NRR isnt damaged too much
It is all over for us
If England win against New Zealand, will Bangladesh vs Pakistan be a dead rubber?
Technically no. Pak can still qualify if they beat Bang by a huge margin.
And what if England absolutely maul New Zealand, like if they win by 150 + plus runs or 9 or 10 wickets?
And we are done
A Bd victory would have meant that NZ would play out of their skins to ensure that they defeated England tomorrow
But Bd losing means that NZ can take the foot off the gas tomorrow if the going gets tough to make sure that their NRR isnt damaged too much
It is all over for us
In the scenario where England win tomorrow.
Then in Pak vs Bang match, lets say bowling 1st we get Bang out for something around 150-200 runs.
How quickly would we have to chase that?
And what if England absolutely maul New Zealand, like if they win by 150 + plus runs or 9 or 10 wickets?
England’s luck is in, because other results are going their way. They will of course be aiming to book their semi-final place today against New Zealand, but even in the disastrous event of a loss, they can still hope that Bangladesh do them a favour and beat Pakistan later this week. This would send England through.
Is there any chance for Pakistan to qualify if NZ lose today? Where is the quintessential PP Excel sheet!!!!
Won't make it that easy for those whining aunties [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION]. If Pakistan gets to the semi-finals, some of us are waiting to unleash ourselves and chase these aunties out in the most brutal way possible.
Indeed. The only certainty in this WC thus far are Mamoon's predictions falling flat.![]()
Would love to see New Zealand beating England and hopefully ridding this forum of a bunch of whining aunties. Let's go, Kane!
I sincerely hope PCB starts taking note of the misery of fans like you. It is not that you don’t deserve this for being delusional, but it is about time PCB pays back this unwavering support. If this group stage exit can prove to be a catalyst, it will be worth it.
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]. Why are you so critical of the Pakistan team. Do you have some sort of inferiority complex? Did you even celebrate the CT17 victory. Everyone knows that this WC was the end of Malik, Hafeez and Riaz, whether we won or got knocked out in the group stages. Secondly, when has an early exit ever changed the PCB's approach in team selection.
Because it is a circus team that entered the World Cup with a 13 match losing streak and was hoping for miracles. We have been mediocre for too long because of our rotten mentality. We take pride in nonsense like unpredictability and cornered tigers etc. We need to forget 92 and focus on achieving long-term consistency.
I sincerely hope PCB starts taking note of the misery of fans like you. It is not that you don’t deserve this for being delusional, but it is about time PCB pays back this unwavering support. If this group stage exit can prove to be a catalyst, it will be worth it.
The funny thing is some Pakistani fans made fun of bowlers like Sheldon Cottrell, Oshane Thomas, Jason Holder, etc when BD was playing them.
Turns out it was these bowlers who knocked out Pak from semi.
I hope those that have been living in cuckoo land have landed safely back on earth. We were out of the tournament the moment Windies skittled us for 105.
The funny thing is some Pakistani fans made fun of bowlers like Sheldon Cottrell, Oshane Thomas, Jason Holder, etc when BD was playing them.
Turns out it was these bowlers who knocked out Pak from semi.
There were teams with a better winning streak than Pakistan heading into this world cup, and still ended below Pakistan in this world cup! Proving ranking and streaks do not mean anything when playing tournaments.
There were teams with a better winning streak than Pakistan heading into this world cup, and still ended below Pakistan in this world cup! Proving ranking and streaks do not mean anything when playing tournaments.
That remains to be seen though.
Sri Lanka can win the last game and Pakistan could lose to Bangladesh to end up 7th.
So its a bit early to say we ended up higher than everyone.
Someone send an email to this Andy bloke to stop trolling us.Andy Zaltzman
Test Match Special statistician
The absolute key for Pakistan is to win the toss because if they bowl first - even if they bowl Bangladesh out for nought they couldn't overtake on run-rate. They have to bat first and score 480, then bowl out Bangladesh for 160, they need to win by about 320 runs.