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ICC World Cup 2019 : Points table, Net Run Rates, qualifying scenarios & Stats thread

TalhaSyed said:
Ok - let's get a couple of things out the way early:

Numbe 1: Yes Pakistan has played horrendous cricket so far in the world cup and they should have performed alot better and won alot more games

Number 2: The "they don't deserve to play the semi final" statement is absolutely garbage. If some how Pakistan qualify for the semi finals - then they will deserve to be there. End of.

Number 3: If fans think a poor performance here will trigger some drastic change across Pakistani cricket they are extremely deluded and I would question whether they have followed Pakistani cricket for more than 2 years or not.

Now let's get down to the nitty gritty of it.

Pakistan has already played - what should be - it's three toughest games in the competition. I think their are three teams guaranteed a semi final spot - England, Australia & India - and we have played all 3 of them and won 1 of those matches.

We were unlucky for the SL game to be rained off, however, managed to get a point & the WI game obviously resulted in no points.

What all this means is we can end up on a maximum of 11 points by winning our remaining games. Given SAs recent form, I don't think it's unrealistic for Pakistan to achieve this & yes sure I know alot of posters will disagree.

Of course it will not be easy - however, in my mind it's not imossible for us to win the remaining 4 games and end up on 11 points.

So for the sake of this analysis let's assume that Pakistan win their remaining games and end up on 11 points inshallah for.

Now the question is - apart from the 3 teams I mentioned above who I believe have guarunteed qualification spots and Pakistan - who else can end up on 11 points or more?

Afg can get a maximum of 8 points so they are out.

For Bang to get to 11 points they need to beat Aus & Ind so I think it's fair to say that is unlikely

SA need to beat Pak to get to 11 points and if that happens then it will be game over for Pakistan, so no point discussing this here.

WI need to beat NZ, SL, Afg & Bang to end up on 11 points and they need to beat India to end up on 13 points. I think 13 points is extremely unlikely - however - 11 points is possible in which case it will come down to NRR

NZ need to lose two of their remaining 5 games to end up on 11 points. Obviously in this scenario we are assuming Pak win their remaining games (including the one against NZ) so that means NZ need to lose to either Eng, Aus, SA or WI which I think is highly likely to happen.

SL need to beat three of SA, WI, Eng and Ind to end up on 11 points which I think is quite unlikely - specially given their 2 games against Eng and Ind - however still possible.

So what that means is the teams which technically can - but are unlikely to - beat Pakistan for the 4th spot are:

Sri Lanka & Bangladesh

The teams which possibly can end up on 11 points and it will come down to NRR are:

West Indies and New Zealand

Now yes I know it won't be easy. And yes I know it's frustrating to have to rely on NRR - it would be a lot easier if we managed to secure 2 points against SL or Aus.

However - you can say what you want - it isn't over yet.

Pakistan will have to play out their skin to not just win the remaining 4 games but also get their NRR above WIs and/or NZs but it can be done.

You throw in the uncertainty regarding the rain and that could go in Pakistan's favour or against us depending on what game(s) get rained off.

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Sorry bro. Pakistan cricket is in a dark place. Time to wake up for us fans.
 
Just on performances in this WC what teams do you think should progress.

England have one hiccup so far but they are playing well enough to go through.

India look very strong and look like the team to beat.

NZ have progressed smoothly, no big matches yet so testing times ahead.

Australia are doing what is required, not spectacular but gritty.

SL had a poor start with a few washouts, need to get some momentum.

WI not looking too good, inconsistency will cost them.

Ban if they can pull out some big games they could still progress.

Pak tough road ahead, constant solid performances required.

Afg just not there yet.
 
TalhaSyed said:
Ok - let's get a couple of things out the way early:

Numbe 1: Yes Pakistan has played horrendous cricket so far in the world cup and they should have performed alot better and won alot more games

Number 2: The "they don't deserve to play the semi final" statement is absolutely garbage. If some how Pakistan qualify for the semi finals - then they will deserve to be there. End of.

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Yes, Pakistan deserve to go to semi finals if Pakistan play good cricket and win some matches against good sides, not because of other teams perform bad and their match rained out. So right now Pakistan don't deserve to be even in a World cup.
 
Gilly said:
forgot SA

SA looks like a ship sinking when the sea is rough.
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SA and Pak might make a comeback I feel.
WI and BDesh need to pull an upset to progress.

Good stuff in WC, all remaining matches will be pretty much like KO's for teams standing between 4-8 :murali
 
The only chance Pakistan has now is for all the following to take place

- For Pakistan to win all their remaining 4 games and in style

- For other teams playing games having their matches washed out due to rain or the teams in the top 3-4 having really bad days
 
I said it before. This team doesn't seem up for it at all. So people expecting them to beat either of South Africa, New Zealand or Bangladesh are in for a rude shock.

Our NRR has slumped to -1.96. This can possibly end up being the worst performance in a World Cup ever. Bitterly disappointed.
 
I am almost CERTAIN even if we lose against South Africa, Pakistan's chances of semi final spot and discussion will somehow increase based on EVERY other game being rained off.

Such is delusion.
 
Problem for Pakistan is, if they say they have chances, so does Afganistan. So all teams can still be hopeful
 
Iffitheking said:
Yes, Pakistan deserve to go to semi finals if Pakistan play good cricket and win some matches against good sides, not because of other teams perform bad and their match rained out. So right now Pakistan don't deserve to be even in a World cup.
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If Pakistan - or any other team for that matter - end up in the top 4 at the end of the end of the group games then they deserve to be in the semi final.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Sorry bro. Pakistan cricket is in a dark place. Time to wake up for us fans.
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Yup - it is in a dark place and we need some long term changes.

However, inshAllah, I can still see us beating SA, NZ, Afg & Bang :) It wont be easy - but it is possible.
 
TalhaSyed said:
If Pakistan - or any other team for that matter - end up in the top 4 at the end of the end of the group games then they deserve to be in the semi final.
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Okay.

I have some questions for you.

Do you believe?

1. Pakistan will somehow win 4 on the trot.

2. NZ will lose 4 out 5 matches.

3. Will you make up a thread about Pakistan's chances even if we lose against South Africa... m almost certain there will be a permutation in which IF EVERY MATCH of NZ is rained out and Pakistan win remaining 3, they will still somehow qualify.

4. Weather will not intervene one bit in any of Pakistan's matches.

5. Pakistan will rise like "cornered tigers" despite losing 14 out of 15 played matches over the last few months.

6. Do you genuinely believe Pakistan will get to semi final or are you playing to the galleries of the fans emotions?

7. What do you smoke? (seriously).
 
World Cup top 4 are almost confirmed unless something drastic happens

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Australia just need to win 1 match out of 4
India needs to win 2 out 5
England needs to win 2 out of 5
Nz needs to win 2 out of 5.
SL needs to win 3 out of 4
Wi needs to win 4 out of 5
South africa needs to win 4 out of 4
BD needs to win 4 out of 5
Pak needs to win 4 out of 4
Bangladesh needs to win 5 out of 5
 
someone21 said:
Problem for Pakistan is, if they say they have chances, so does Afganistan. So all teams can still be hopeful
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+1.
All teams will think the same. Now SA will also have their own strategies to win remaining games and make into semi final spot.
 
It was always destined to be india versus England final. Both top 2 ranked teams, winning consistently over the years.

India has better bowling than England while England has better batting than india.

Indian batting can bat well in difficult conditions while England batting can demolish you on flat wickets.
 
Akki malhotra said:
It was always destined to be india versus England final. Both top 2 ranked teams, winning consistently over the years.

India has better bowling than England while England has better batting than india.

Indian batting can bat well in difficult conditions while England batting can demolish you on flat wickets.
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Good analysis....but i'd take Cha-ku against eng batsmen on any wicket over Mo-rash against indian batsmen on any wickets...
Where Eng is decidedly superior is in their all round skills , in Stokes, woakes, mo, rash u have some fantastic all rounders and when u throw in archer who is a fab athlete and above average batsman and also plunkett at number 10 who can bat and clear the boundary, thats an awesome gun lineup that can pulverize any bowling....
I guess on the day it will boil down to overhead conditions and pitch...but i'd still place Eng ahead of us..
 
someone21 said:
Problem for Pakistan is, if they say they have chances, so does Afganistan. So all teams can still be hopeful
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Yup and thats exactly what you would expect to see.

If any teams - or fans - came to this World Cup ready to throw in the towel when they still have a chance to get through & half of their games to play, then they can just stay at home :)
 
^ Good posts. Mouthwatering contest that, India v England. India’s bowling with Bhuvi is better than England’s, I have no doubt about that, but it sort of evens out with him injured as Shami is inconsistent.
And Bairstow, Buttler and Morgan play spin very well.
 
It's pretty fair to be honest. Leaving aside all country affinities, India, Australia, and England looked the top teams midway into the world cup and are destined to be #1, #2, #3 regardless of order. New Zealand had a good draw and has just fired enough and are looking to zero down on #4. Bangladesh had tough matches but actually they can run New Zealand close for 4th spot, yes I have a gut feel. Pakistan and West Indies had their moments but they could never build on them. Sri Lanka had and will continue to have a middling world cup. South Africa and Afghanistan are the true sorry stories of this world cup. If no surprises from now, England and India will play the final with England clinching their first world cup title.
 
World Cup top 4 are almost confirmed unless something drastic happens.

Yup, it all looks set for now. Seems like New Zealand will be the fourth team to qualify apart from the three that we all know about. The only way left for Pakistan to make it to the semi-finals is that New Zealand, South Africa and the West Indies keep on losing all or at least a great part of their remaining matches.

Oh´ and I forgot an even more important part of this "plan": Pakistan must win all of their remaining matches.
 
we have to win ALL our remaining games & I mean win good , improve NRR & then hope for the best..
 
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Dr_Bassim said:
I like you brother.

But I don't like useless optimism.

That's all.

Its fake and it doesn't help anyone.

I never rant and I am sorry if it offended you as it was not the idea.
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Ok bro apology accepted and I also apologize if I offended you in any way.

I get it - due to our horrendous form recently, you think this World up is over for Pakistan and we cannot go any further.

I think we have a chance. An extremely slim and difficult chance - but a chance none the less.

Any way - lets agree to disagree and see what happens.
 
Another one from Geo News :-)


West Indies lose atleast 2 of the remaining matches, Bangladesh, South Africa, New Zealand lose all their remaining matches & Pakistan wins all its remaining matches with a good NRR than Pakistan will reach Semis.



Being a Pakistani I want Pakistan to qualify no matter what but it’s highly unrealistic. Let’s hope against hope that it happens.



Ok Hasnain bowl some 150 kph bouncers and Yorkers in next game to liven up Pakistan’s hopes. Waqar Younis spend a session or two with Hasnain working on his Yorkers.


We want 150 kph Hasnain unleashed now.
 
TalhaSyed said:
Ok bro apology accepted and I also apologize if I offended you in any way.

I get it - due to our horrendous form recently, you think this World up is over for Pakistan and we cannot go any further.

I think we have a chance. An extremely slim and difficult chance - but a chance none the less.

Any way - lets agree to disagree and see what happens.
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NZ and Bangladesh are way too good.

South Africa is our bunny team so maybe.

Just can't win against NZ in current condition.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Another one from Geo News :-)


West Indies lose atleast 2 of the remaining matches, Bangladesh, South Africa, New Zealand lose all their remaining matches & Pakistan wins all its remaining matches with a good NRR than Pakistan will reach Semis.



Being a Pakistani I want Pakistan to qualify no matter what but it’s highly unrealistic. Let’s hope against hope that it happens.



Ok Hasnain bowl some 150 kph bouncers and Yorkers in next game to liven up Pakistan’s hopes. Waqar Younis spend a session or two with Hasnain working on his Yorkers.


We want 150 kph Hasnain unleashed now.
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Hope is not out but in my opinion we dont deserve to be in the semis.
 
Matches left per team

WI - BD , NZ , Ind , SL , Afg
BD - WI , Aus , Afg , Ind , Pak
NZ - SA , WI , Pak , Aus , Eng ,
SA - NZ , Pak , SL , Aus
Aus - BD , Eng , NZ , SA
Eng - SL , Aus , Ind , NZ
SL - Eng , SA , WI , Ind
Ind - Afg , WI , Eng , BD , SL
Afg - Ind , BD , Pak , WI
Pak - SA , NZ , Afg , BD
 
Most easy matches are left for India, WI,BD & Pak respectively. I really hope NZ will win one or two match of their remaining matches. Hence WI has good chance to make the semi. BD has hope too. Nz got kucky with 1 point against India due to rain. And that would make the difference at the end.
 
The thing is india defeated england 2-1 in india & england defeated india in England 2-1 in england, so they both are equal at the moment, England's bashing style from 1 to 8 always won't always work they may suddenly struggle in important matches like semifinal or final, their batting may be tested by india, australia & new Zealand, england is a good team no doubt but don't exajurate them as if they are the greatest don't count down india & australia, if I am not wrong england batting is most vulnerable to spin bowling when india play england kuldeep & Chahal will trouble them, anyone from india, australia & england can win the world cup.
 
Time for some upsets to make it interesting or it will be a boring fest! If top 4 had a few surprise loses then it could become very interesting.
 
How delusional fans are about our team. This team doesn't even have any ability to win against NZ or S Africa. S Africa is already out so they will not have any pressure. Even Bangladesh and Afghanistan are better team than us. With luck we can only win one of Bangladesh or Afghanistan or may be both. But its highly unlikely with these type of batting or bowling.
Our team doesn't deserve to be in the final otherwise it will retain all those dead woods and leeches from in and outside the team.
 
Well being optimistic, if either Australia or New Zealand win only one of their remaining matches and Pakistan wins all the remaining matches, we will end up above these two teams.
 
Here's to winning our remaining matches and NewZealand losing to us, South Africa, Australia and England.
 
WI and Bangla could beat India and that would leave them with 11 points. That is if they also lose against England. Not highly unlikely scenario so pool is still wide open. Bottom teams will pick up their games to give their best shot to make it so we could be in for a treat.
 
No chance now. the team should just relax and ensure they go away with a small amount of pride. I have not seen anything in this team that can help turn the situation around. the one thing they could do is set a total and then bowl at an opposition. i feel in world cups its always better to bat first. if a Team chases a 340 plus target you just raise your hands and say "well we tried". I think our tope three batters can get us to a 340 ish target if we get some good pitches which we probably will in at least three of our next few matches inmho.
 
Listen...

It's not been the worst WC for us atm, honestly!!

We got outplayed by Windies - couldn't handle the short ball, crap middle order collapse!
Beat England
Would've beaten Sri Lanka
Ran the Aussies close, if anything on anotherday we wouldv'e taken that, just a poor start, awful fielding!
India - whopped us, wrong toss choice wouldn't have changed outcome.

Now we have 4 games left - if we beat Saffers, by the time the NZ match comes along staying in the tourny will likely be in our own hands so they will give it their all for that match.
Bongos are decent btu we should get over the line and then give Afghans a good whopping and we will be in the semis!

NZ can still pull an upset vs Engalnd/OZ and we can still qualify so keep the faith, stranger things have happened!

We could do with some help from SA/WI too and a win for the bengis today would be sweet!
 
It's a good learning experience for minnows who get to play against all the teams, even if they don't make it. Especially for a team like Afghanistan.
 
People are overrating New Zealand, they will most probably miss out. We can expect them to lose each and every game from now on, looking at their opponents.

One of Pakistan and West Indies have as much as chance New Zealand has. It is just that schedule has made New Zealand play easy games upfront and Pakistan and West Indies difficult ones. If you look closely they are pretty much even, with some major faults in New Zealand team.

They only have 1 high quality pacer, even who has not performed taking 3 wickets in 3 matches against weak opponents.

Spinners are poor and not wicket takers.

Their middle order is filled with all rounders and not stable or experienced enough to handle WC pressure.

Their openers have turned out to be hit and miss.

Kane Williamson bats way too slow.

Too conclude, they are heavily dependent on Ross Taylor and Trent Boult from which 1 hasn't fired yet. Although they have arguably the best captain currently present in the world.
 
For pak to qualify we need nz to lose 4 out of 5(better rr 11 points will be enough for them)
Or
Eng need to lose against india,aus and nz and we have to win every match.
Pak got a little unlucky and nz lucky with rain.
Anyway i am not even sure that pak will win against afghanistan so it doesn't matter.
 
Nz vs sa will be the most important match other than our own matches for us,if nz lose here it's game on.
 
Imran Hasan said:
Most easy matches are left for India, WI,BD & Pak respectively. I really hope NZ will win one or two match of their remaining matches. Hence WI has good chance to make the semi. BD has hope too. Nz got kucky with 1 point against India due to rain. And that would make the difference at the end.
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This coming NZ v/s SA match on 19th is going to be very interesting. If NZ wins it then they just need to win 1 more match from their remaining matches to qualify. They could very easily do that by making short meat of West Indies. Thereafter, all they need to do is keep their heads above water to not let that NRR go out of hand. However, if South Africa wins then they'll know that they are back in the reckoning & will bring everything on the table in their Sunday clash against Pakistan. It would be an amazing deathmatch.
 
All Pakistani fans in England should go and support SA against NZ on June 19th. SA has to win this match for Pakistan to have a good chance. Our next target should be to win against SA on Sunday then.

This is the immediate plan of action for PAK for their road to WorldCup 2019.
 
Are you guys watching same wc as me?
Pakistan beat favourite Eng.
Almost checked Aus
Ok bad days against WI and Ind
But they have very good chances still to make it in to semis
Then who knows?
 
for the sake of this world cup i hope Nz or/and Aus start losing otherwisw the remaining 15-20 league matches may become dead rubbers which would be extremely ugly..
Icc should have had something other than semifinal so there would be atleast 6 spots to play for
so all matches would have some context, 10+ dead rubbers witj qualifications all but confirmed would be an absolute embarrassment
thats why icc needed a Pak victory vs Ind also Sl victory ovef Aus.too bad it never came
Some thing like this would have assured atleast top 6 places had value

Top Ranked Side Qualfiies directly to the final

E1:
5 vs 6
(Winner Qualifies to E2)

E2:
4 vs Winner E1
(Winner Qualifies to Q2)

Q1:
2 vs 3
(Winner Qualifies to SF, Loser Plays Q2)

Q2:
Winner E2 vs Loser Q1

SF:
Winner Q1 vs Winner Q2

Final:
1st Ranked Side vs Winner SF


in this the league stage would have been much competitive with almost no dead rubbers
and we would have about 6 Knockout Matches (Playoffs)
 
Deewana said:
for the sake of this world cup i hope Nz or/and Aus start losing otherwisw the remaining 15-20 league matches may become dead rubbers which would be extremely ugly..
Icc should have had something other than semifinal so there would be atleast 6 spots to play for
so all matches would have some context, 10+ dead rubbers witj qualifications all but confirmed would be an absolute embarrassment
thats why icc needed a Pak victory vs Ind also Sl victory ovef Aus.too bad it never came
Some thing like this would have assured atleast top 6 places had value

Top Ranked Side Qualfiies directly to the final

E1:
5 vs 6
(Winner Qualifies to E2)

E2:
4 vs Winner E1
(Winner Qualifies to Q2)

Q1:
2 vs 3
(Winner Qualifies to SF, Loser Plays Q2)

Q2:
Winner E2 vs Loser Q1

SF:
Winner Q1 vs Winner Q2

Final:
1st Ranked Side vs Winner SF


in this the league stage would have been much competitive with almost no dead rubbers
and we would have about 6 Knockout Matches (Playoffs)
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No dead rubbers, this would only make more dead rubbers, just have to beat Afghanistan and Sri Lanka then wait another month for the finals.
 
No need to hope that pak will make it to the semis. The worst thing you can do is give yourself false hope.
 
How on earth do people expect NZ to lose four out of their five matches left is beyond me.

There's no logic for Pakistan suddenly beating teams who have shown much better form than them, and one of the best performing teams of this World Cup collapsing spectacularly.

Bangladesh today are playing in a different league to Pakistan. We got destroyed by this same over-rated bowling attack a couple of games back :facepalm:
 
What needs to happen for Pakistan to qualify for the Semi Finals?

It is a near impossible task, but if it were to happen..what needs to happen besides Pakistan winning all 4 of the remaining matches?
 
Never mind semi finals, I think people should give them a hero’s welcome if the Pakistan team are able to beat Bangladesh and Afghanistan before returning home - that’s to say thanks for avoiding any further humiliation and disgrace.
 
I seriously doubt we will even win against Afhganistan. They've already beaten this pathetic side once already
 
loves_cricket said:
Are you guys watching same wc as me?
Pakistan beat favourite Eng.
Almost checked Aus
Ok bad days against WI and Ind
But they have very good chances still to make it in to semis
Then who knows?
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Pakistan will loose to NZ and BD
 
I cannot understand why people are making this so complicated.

For Pakistan to get to semis:

1. Pakistan has to win all of their remaining 4 games.

2. Points must be taken off Australia, New Zealand, India and England as they are in the top 4. You don't want these 4 teams to race to and get above 11 points as this will be game over for Pakistan.

3. For point number 2 to take place we need every single team below these 4 teams to BEAT these 4 teams to stop them picking up points and making the gap between the top 4 and the rest too unassailable. This will open up the table and give Pakistsm a chance.

That's it.
 
PakWarrior said:
I cannot understand why people are making this so complicated.

For Pakistan to get to semis:

1. Pakistan has to win all of their remaining 4 games.

2. Points must be taken off Australia, New Zealand, India and England as they are in the top 4. You don't want these 4 teams to race to and get above 11 points as this will be game over for Pakistan.

3. For point number 2 to take place we need every single team below these 4 teams to BEAT these 4 teams to stop them picking up points and making the gap between the top 4 and the rest too unassailable. This will open up the table and give Pakistsm a chance.

That's it.
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It's so easy ,I don't know why Pak fans worries much ?
 
Good. The more abandoned matches the better for Pakistan. As long as Pakistan matches are not trained out.
 
Pakistan got very unlucky to be honest.

Missed out a point against Sri Lanka and could’ve won against Australia if only they batted a little bit sensible.

Against India and West Indies we were completely outplayed.
 
Why are people getting down about some fans hoping Pak get through.
Just don't come to this thread!

We are Pakistanis here and we will hope and pray that by hook or crook we sneak through.

You can not complain if it is still in our hands and it just about is in 1 hand atm.
 
Mueez said:
Pakistan got very unlucky to be honest.

Missed out a point against Sri Lanka and could’ve won against Australia if only they batted a little bit sensible.

Against India and West Indies we were completely outplayed.
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There is no such thing "unlucky" and "luck" in sports. You play good or bad. Pakistan play bad. i have said before loss against WI will haunt us. And win vs england was bonus but we didn't cash it. Believe me they are mentally and physically very weak. They got no passion and game awareness. Come on how you can yawn twice behind stumps. :bash:
 
-1.933 NRR not great not terrible seen worse. Well perhaps we can now start selecting the best group of players from the given squad. Malik out Harris in. Shaheen in Hassan out .
 
Keep an eye on England. Considering their history, they might end up losing to aus, ind & nz consecutively & opening a spot for us to grab.
 
TalhaSyed said:
Ok - let's get a couple of things out the way early:

Numbe 1: Yes Pakistan has played horrendous cricket so far in the world cup and they should have performed alot better and won alot more games

Number 2: The "they don't deserve to play the semi final" statement is absolutely garbage. If some how Pakistan qualify for the semi finals - then they will deserve to be there. End of.

Number 3: If fans think a poor performance here will trigger some drastic change across Pakistani cricket they are extremely deluded and I would question whether they have followed Pakistani cricket for more than 2 years or not.

Now let's get down to the nitty gritty of it.

Pakistan has already played - what should be - it's three toughest games in the competition. I think their are three teams guaranteed a semi final spot - England, Australia & India - and we have played all 3 of them and won 1 of those matches.

We were unlucky for the SL game to be rained off, however, managed to get a point & the WI game obviously resulted in no points.

What all this means is we can end up on a maximum of 11 points by winning our remaining games. Given SAs recent form, I don't think it's unrealistic for Pakistan to achieve this & yes sure I know alot of posters will disagree.

Of course it will not be easy - however, in my mind it's not imossible for us to win the remaining 4 games and end up on 11 points.

So for the sake of this analysis let's assume that Pakistan win their remaining games and end up on 11 points inshallah for.

Now the question is - apart from the 3 teams I mentioned above who I believe have guarunteed qualification spots and Pakistan - who else can end up on 11 points or more?

Afg can get a maximum of 8 points so they are out.

For Bang to get to 11 points they need to beat Aus & Ind so I think it's fair to say that is unlikely

SA need to beat Pak to get to 11 points and if that happens then it will be game over for Pakistan, so no point discussing this here.

WI need to beat NZ, SL, Afg & Bang to end up on 11 points and they need to beat India to end up on 13 points. I think 13 points is extremely unlikely - however - 11 points is possible in which case it will come down to NRR

NZ need to lose two of their remaining 5 games to end up on 11 points. Obviously in this scenario we are assuming Pak win their remaining games (including the one against NZ) so that means NZ need to lose to either Eng, Aus, SA or WI which I think is highly likely to happen.

SL need to beat three of SA, WI, Eng and Ind to end up on 11 points which I think is quite unlikely - specially given their 2 games against Eng and Ind - however still possible.

So what that means is the teams which technically can - but are unlikely to - beat Pakistan for the 4th spot are:

Sri Lanka & Bangladesh

The teams which possibly can end up on 11 points and it will come down to NRR are:

West Indies and New Zealand

Now yes I know it won't be easy. And yes I know it's frustrating to have to rely on NRR - it would be a lot easier if we managed to secure 2 points against SL or Aus.

However - you can say what you want - it isn't over yet.

Pakistan will have to play out their skin to not just win the remaining 4 games but also get their NRR above WIs and/or NZs but it can be done.

You throw in the uncertainty regarding the rain and that could go in Pakistan's favour or against us depending on what game(s) get rained off.

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Very good post, thank you for clarifying.

I understand why people are so angry and negative, but if that’s the case, find a relevant thread to vent.

Pakistan Cricket over the past 15 years has disappointed more often than not. But there are those of us who don’t want to go around being negative and moody and will focus on the positive or cling on to hope while it’s there.
 
Scenario for PAK to qualify - Without relying on NRR

Just did a quick math on what is possible / impossible, and considering realistic results of upcoming matches the following came to be.

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Obviously, the red matches can go either way and are swing matches. However, considering the current form of teams I have selected the following winners. Further, the point table turns out like this.

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The caveat obviously being Pakistan win all their remaining games, which in current circumstances seems most unlikely. However, hoping for a more positive outlook in the next few weeks.
 
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If these games are not rain affected, I guarantee they will win 3 games. The only one that is very problematic is the brilliance of this NZ side.
 
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