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I feel Pak will beat NZ very easily. Kane Williamson is due a bad game. He is 80% of NZ batting. England is mental midget. SL , Bang don’t have a team worthy of being world champs. I feel on current form Pakistan deserves to be in top 4. It would be great to have an India Pakistan final. It would be best for sport of cricket. May the better side win.
 
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Pakistan in WC 1992
Match 1 - Lost
Match 2 - Won
Match 3 - No Result
Match 4 - Lost
Match 5 - Lost
Match 6 - Won

Pakistan in WC 2019
Match 1 - Lost
Match 2 - Won
Match 3 - No Result
Match 4 - Lost
Match 5 - Lost
Match 6 - Won

Well this is interesting. Coincidence? :O
 
Sri lanka must be gutted they have had 2 matches rained off, if they had even just won 1 of those 2 they would be in a strong position.
 
It will be tough against NZ. They haven't lost a game yet and people also forget they made the finals in the last World Cup.

If unfortunately we don't win against NZ. We still have a shot if we win our last two games and England loses against India and NZ which is possible.

Of course it will be easier if we win out our remaining matches. I never saw England winning 2 out of 3 from Australia, India and NZ.
 
Cric_lover4487 said:
I feel Pak will beat NZ very easily. Kane Williamson is due a bad game. He is 80% of NZ batting. England is mental midget. SL , Bang don’t have a team worthy of being world champs. I feel on current form Pakistan deserves to be in top 4. It would be great to have an India Pakistan final. It would be best for sport of cricket. May the better side win.
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Sorry but I disagree. You deserve to be on top 4 by winning and making it happen, not just because. On current form, pak does not deserve to be in top 5, let alone top 4. On current form, ENG deserves to be in top 4 with the way they have played through out this wc.
 
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Pakistan in WC 1992
Match 1 - Lost
Match 2 - Won
Match 3 - No Result
Match 4 - Lost
Match 5 - Lost
Match 6 - Won

Pakistan in WC 2019
Match 1 - Lost
Match 2 - Won
Match 3 - No Result
Match 4 - Lost
Match 5 - Lost
Match 6 - Won

Well this is interesting. Coincidence? :O
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Bit more:

Pakistan's 6th Match of 1992 WC: Beat Aus by 48 runs and Man of the Match was Aamir Sohail

Pakistan's 6th Match of 1992 WC: Beat SA by 49 runs and Man of the Match was Haris Sohail

If this continues, Sarfaraz will become Pakistan's PM
 
MisbahTheGreat said:
Bit more:

Pakistan's 6th Match of 1992 WC: Beat Aus by 48 runs and Man of the Match was Aamir Sohail

Pakistan's 6th Match of 1992 WC: Beat SA by 49 runs and Man of the Match was Haris Sohail

If this continues, Sarfaraz will become Pakistan's PM
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Here is an interesting question for you folks. Let's assume for a moment that Pakistan wins the WC19, SAfraz who is suppose to get the boot after the WC, suddenly becomes the HERO over night. Right or wrong decision to kick him out of the team? Akready won CT, a WC victory would surely give him all the assurance of retire when you want.
 
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If India beats England, are NZ through? Only teams who will be able to get to 11 points will be Bangladesh/Pakistan (both play each other) and SL will need to win all their games (SA, WI and India) to get to 12.
 
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Aman said:
If India beats England, are NZ through? Only teams who will be able to get to 11 points will be Bangladesh/Pakistan (both play each other) and SL will need to win all their games (SA, WI and India) to get to 12.
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IF NZ loses their remaining matches and Pakistan wins out then it will come down to NRR between Paksitan and NZ.
 
Australia ,india,NZ & England will be for top team to qualify
England need to win one match out of 2 (10 point )
Pakistan , Bangladesh & Sri Lanka definitely lose one more match
 
fanofcricket4life said:
If Pakistan lose today, they are out?
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No, we can get to 9 points if we lose today.
Bang are unlikely to beat India to get to 9 points.
SL can get to 9 points so we need them to lose 2 games ( they have SA WI India)
That leaves England who need 1 win to get to 10.
If we lose today and England lose to India, we need NZ to beat England, which then leaves bang Vs Pak as World cup QF at lord's next Friday.

If we win today it becomes so much more easier, as we turn the screw on England by beating Afghanistan on Saturday inshaAllah before England play India on Sunday.

We can also hope for a windies win Vs India tomorrow which will keep India honest.

I don't see England not beating new Zealand as new Zealand will rotate if they are through, so today is huge
 
June 30th will tell us all if ENG will have it easy or may crash out of this year's wc, irrespective of tomorrow's result.
 
Pakistan has to come hard at NZ, NZ will be soft after winning all their games up till now.
 
Part of me is now becoming slightly uncomfortable about England blagging their way through to the semis. After losses to Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Australia frankly I think they deserve to be out of the running. Yes the Pakistan game was a thriller, very close and could have gone either way - but England got totally outplayed in the other two games, and were embarrassingly bad in consecutive run chases.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
Would you still be saying this if pak beat nz tomorrow?
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Until we beat Bangladesh people will keep throwing in our face even if we win the World Cup. At the moment none of our batsmen performing really that good and apart from Amir and Wahab all are so far below par.
I still think BD is bit ahead of us because of Sakib.
 
James said:
Part of me is now becoming slightly uncomfortable about England blagging their way through to the semis. After losses to Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Australia frankly I think they deserve to be out of the running. Yes the Pakistan game was a thriller, very close and could have gone either way - but England got totally outplayed in the other two games, and were embarrassingly bad in consecutive run chases.
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If Pakistan fails today then it makes it easier for Eng to qualify. But I beleive Engalnd is missing their trump card Hales and Roy. They were the reasob Eng were such a destructive line up. If Roy plays last two games then I back England to knock Pak out even if we win against NZ. England need some good batsman to pair with Bairstow. Vince is really bad.
 
NZ will get beaten black and blue by Aus and England. Their luck ran out against Pak. I think that NZ will get knocked out of semis.
 
BDfanforever said:
NZ will get beaten black and blue by Aus and England. Their luck ran out against Pak. I think that NZ will get knocked out of semis.
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NZ will still have 11 points - same as Pak. NZ will most likely have a superior NRR.

Pakistan's best hope is England getting thrashed by India.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2 down, 2 to go:<br><br>South Africa ✅<br>New Zealand ✅<br>Afghanistan<br>Bangladesh<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NZvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NZvPAK</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1143948416441094144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New Zealand lose their first match of the World Cup and of course it's Pakistan who are the first team to beat them <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NZvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NZvPAK</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1143948609790140416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Greame Swann "Pakistan's support today was second to none. Superb play by their team also. Who would bet against them to do something special now at this World Cup" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NZvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NZvPAK</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1143949440698462208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Nov15 said:
NZ will still have 11 points - same as Pak. NZ will most likely have a superior NRR.

Pakistan's best hope is England getting thrashed by India.
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England wont win both matches.is moslt likey to only win one but my bet is they wont even win one.

Why so worried now that pak has wom v Nz ,chances for semis seems about 70%
 
DeadlyYorker said:
England wont win both matches.is moslt likey to only win one but my bet is they wont even win one.

Why so worried now that pak has wom v Nz ,chances for semis seems about 70%
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No, England will destroy at least NZ into oblivion. Pak still has tough task ahead of them. Everything has to fall into place to qualify. However, after today's win, I would assume they have increased their chances tremendously.
 
BDfanforever said:
No, England will destroy at least NZ into oblivion. Pak still has tough task ahead of them. Everything has to fall into place to qualify. However, after today's win, I would assume they have increased their chances tremendously.
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Eng will win one and pak win 2 that will disqualify eng whats there to fall into pieces? Its much simpler now
 
Is there any chance of both England and New Zealand getting eliminated?...or Pakistan pipping NZ to 3rd?...just how big is the NRR deficit to NZ?...

England beat New Zealand and lose to India means 10 points...
New Zealand lose against England and Australia means 11 points...

Pakistan beat Afghanistan and Bangladesh and finish on 11 points...
Sri Lanka pull off their next three and finish on 12 points (unlikely I know but not out of the question)...
 
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No, England will destroy at least NZ into oblivion. Pak still has tough task ahead of them. Everything has to fall into place to qualify. However, after today's win, I would assume they have increased their chances tremendously.
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England is under even more pressure now, thanks to Pakistan. NZ will be hurting from this defeat. I doubt either side will be able to 'destroy' each other in a pressure game.

England will have to earn their qualification. Pakistan has ripped this WC open.
 
We still need results to go in our favour. NZ only need 1 win but have 2 difficult game. I think England will beat NZ. So for them it’s all on the India game.
 
Pakistan going through is actually the most likely scenario on paper. England winning 2/2 against India and NZ.. doubtful. Lanka winning 3/3.. doubtful. Pak beating afghan and bangladesh is the most likely outcome, inshallah we do it! Bangla game will be tough though due to their batting, but we are on a high! Its written in the stars :D
 
Its almost every match a knockout for Pak, SL, BD & Eng from here on. Pakistan has comparatively the easiest of fixtures, hence has more chances than others.
 
I don't see Pak or SL or BD qualifying for Semis. Pak has dug itself a huge hole and it is trying to claw its way out. But I am afraid they will fall just short.

SL will not make it. They do not have the talent and so far they have far outperformed their own expectations.

BD has the best of the chances to make it to Semis. However, one of NZ, England have to badly choke from here on to miss out.
 
troodon said:
I don't see Pak or SL or BD qualifying for Semis. Pak has dug itself a huge hole and it is trying to claw its way out. But I am afraid they will fall just short.

SL will not make it. They do not have the talent and so far they have far outperformed their own expectations.

BD has the best of the chances to make it to Semis. However, one of NZ, England have to badly choke from here on to miss out.
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Sri Lanka have a chance. They can beat West Indies and South Africa. They will play India in their last game, if India are already through anything can happen.
 
lets say the england option doesn't work out, can some calculate approx what type of defeats it will take for NZ to lose both games and us to win both games that our NRR inches past their NRR and we can make it past NZ on 11 pt each?
 
Hasan123 said:
Sri Lanka have a chance. They can beat West Indies and South Africa. They will play India in their last game, if India are already through anything can happen.
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Srilanka can easily lose to SA and WI. They are not better than both of those teams.

Pak has easy schedule, but they have to not only win, but win by a big margin to nullify their bad NRR. That can put a lot of pressure on them to make mistakes.
 
troodon said:
Srilanka can easily lose to SA and WI. They are not better than both of those teams.

Pak has easy schedule, but they have to not only win, but win by a big margin to nullify their bad NRR. That can put a lot of pressure on them to make mistakes.
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Pak don't have to win with a big margin if eng lose to ind and Sri lanka lose to one of those 3 teams mentioned above.
 
troodon said:
Srilanka can easily lose to SA and WI. They are not better than both of those teams.

Pak has easy schedule, but they have to not only win, but win by a big margin to nullify their bad NRR. That can put a lot of pressure on them to make mistakes.
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They don’t need to be better than those teams, if they perform well they can beat South Africa and West Indies on their day.

I think we will get through if we win our last 2 games. As I think England will beat NZ but lose to India. I think New Zealand will lose their last 2 games.
 
troodon said:
Srilanka can easily lose to SA and WI. They are not better than both of those teams.

Pak has easy schedule, but they have to not only win, but win by a big margin to nullify their bad NRR. That can put a lot of pressure on them to make mistakes.
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NRR is only relevant in terms of New Zealand...cos New Zealand could lose their next two and we win our next two and we both end up on 11 points...

England lose either of their next two and they finish on 10...

Bangladesh lose against us then the max they can get is 9...

Sri Lanka win 2/3 they finish on 10...they win 3/3 they finish on 12...rendering NRR irrelevant...
 
Amjid Javed said:
Sri lanka must be gutted they have had 2 matches rained off, if they had even just won 1 of those 2 they would be in a strong position.
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Actually, drawing two games is almost as good as winning one and losing one, but obviously inferior to winning one and drawing one. The only reason it's almost as good is that if you get tied on points, the # of Wins comes before NRR - which is actually a poor rule because washed out games are not the teams' fault and cricket very rarely produces ties! # of Wins should not have been the decider at any level of breaking the tie.
 
Hasan123 said:
They don’t need to be better than those teams, if they perform well they can beat South Africa and West Indies on their day.

I think we will get through if we win our last 2 games. As I think England will beat NZ but lose to India. I think New Zealand will lose their last 2 games.
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I think India will lost to England. It will be a high scoring game and without Dhawan performing at the top, we are not scoring over 300.
 
shaykh said:
NRR is only relevant in terms of New Zealand...cos New Zealand could lose their next two and we win our next two and we both end up on 11 points...

England lose either of their next two and they finish on 10...

Bangladesh lose against us then the max they can get is 9...

Sri Lanka win 2/3 they finish on 10...they win 3/3 they finish on 12...rendering NRR irrelevant...
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You guys are having way too much faith in Srilanka. They are a terrible team who happen to play well in a couple of games.

Pak may win against Afghans, but they are not winning against BD.
 
Boys calm down. Lets look at the next game, beat the afghans, then it is over to England Vs India. Let's apply some pressure
 
Would be ideal from a Pakistan perspective for England to beat India and then lose to New Zealand, with Pakistan beating Bangladesh and Afghanistan. In this scenario, India would have a chance of not finishing top and therefore Pakistan get to play one of NZ/AUS in the semis. No matter what people say about wanting to play India, or the fact that they beat them in 2017, the WC record is still abysmal against them. It's ideal for Pakistan to avoid them if possible. Also it continues the 1992 meme, so why not.
 
troodon said:
You guys are having way too much faith in Srilanka. They are a terrible team who happen to play well in a couple of games.

Pak may win against Afghans, but they are not winning against BD.
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I don't think Sri Lanka will win their 3 games...my point was in reference to you stating that Pakistan needs a huge NRR...it's only relevant in trying to overtake New Zealand if they lose their next two...

On what basis have you concluded 'they are not winning against BD' ...I'm not taking Bangladesh lightly but what have they done better than us in this tournament?...

They have beaten South Africa and an inconsistent Windies side...and have conceded 380 twice in this tournament already...considering we have beaten New Zealand and England...I'm curious as to why you feel this is a foregone conclusion?...
 
When watching today's game I was a bit frustrated when Pakistan didn't show urgency in finishing the chase after the 42nd over when it was clear that we were in the driving seat (Win predictor had pakistan at 89%). I wish we had, because each ball we had to spare at the end of the game would in a way count twice since it improved our NRR and brought NZ's NRR down - who are the only team left in the tournament that we could compete on NRR with (India is a remote possibility if they somehow only win 1 out of their next 5 games - lol). Also about Sri Lanka.. quite frankly if they win all of their games - they deserve to go to the semi-finals given that they must face India, South Africa & West Indies.

Here's the equation then for Pakistan - first of all win, both games; preferably - win them big.

If England lose one game against either IND or NZ - they get knocked out; this is easy enough and it's actually the most likely scenario (India should be outright favorites for this match).

However, if ENG win both, then we rely on NZ to lose both their games against AUS and ENG, and that too - they must lose big. The kind of big when AUS score 350 and knock out NZ for 200. The kind of big where NZ score 250 and ENG chase it down with 11 overs to spare. I don't think this will happen nor will it come to this, but it might happen. Remember that if ENG win both their games and NZ beat AUS - we are automatically knocked out regardless of anything we do - we will pray that this does not happen!

That's why we have to play AFG very seriously and maximize runs off every delivery and try to take wickets on every single ball. The NRR between NZ & PAK is quite massive but it can be made up if we simultaneously make major moves the opposite way (PAK go up, NZ go down).
 
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I think neutrals would like Windies to win against Ind tomorrow and make the WC even more interesting.
 
shaykh said:
I don't think Sri Lanka will win their 3 games...my point was in reference to you stating that Pakistan needs a huge NRR...it's only relevant in trying to overtake New Zealand if they lose their next two...

On what basis have you concluded 'they are not winning against BD' ...I'm not taking Bangladesh lightly but what have they done better than us in this tournament?...

They have beaten South Africa and an inconsistent Windies side...and have conceded 380 twice in this tournament already...considering we have beaten New Zealand and England...I'm curious as to why you feel this is a foregone conclusion?...
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Didn't people like this guy say the same thing before today? No one gave us a chance and considered today as the toughest game. Now suddenly Bangladesh is our toughest game :)))

Bangladesh need to play extremely well to beat this Pakistan team now.
 
zulfiqar said:
When watching today's game I was a bit frustrated when Pakistan didn't show urgency in finishing the chase after the 42nd over when it was clear that we were in the driving seat (Win predictor had pakistan at 89%). I wish we had, because each ball we had to spare at the end of the game would in a way count twice since it improved our NRR and brought NZ's NRR down - who are the only team left in the tournament that we could compete on NRR with ...

That's why we have to play AFG very seriously and maximize runs off every delivery and try to take wickets on every single ball. The NRR between NZ & PAK is quite massive but it can be made up if we simultaneously make major moves the opposite way (PAK go up, NZ go down).
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To give you guys an idea on how bad we are on NRR vs New Zealand. I ran some calculations... Pakistan would have to beat both AFG and BAN by 140 runs each and New Zealand would have to lose to Australia and England by 140 runs each - or some combination therein and equivalent NRR loss if PAK bat second or NZ bat first. It's unrealistic that this would happen.
 
England win both games vs nz and India and move to 12.
Nz loses against England and wins against aussie to move to 13.
India loses against England but wins against WI, Lanka and BD..moves to 15..

This scenario is highly possible..
 
Usman Chadda said:
Didn't people like this guy say the same thing before today? No one gave us a chance and considered today as the toughest game. Now suddenly Bangladesh is our toughest game :)))

Bangladesh need to play extremely well to beat this Pakistan team now.
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Too true ...todays win makes us favourites...

Bangladesh have done better than expected but have hardly set the world alight...their victories are the Windies, Afghanistan and South Africa...wins which aren't aging well...
 
So we're effectively through right? We'd need to lose the last two games by huge margins to be out?
 
zulfiqar said:
To give you guys an idea on how bad we are on NRR vs New Zealand. I ran some calculations... Pakistan would have to beat both AFG and BAN by 140 runs each and New Zealand would have to lose to Australia and England by 140 runs each - or some combination therein and equivalent NRR loss if PAK bat second or NZ bat first. It's unrealistic that this would happen.
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Except the number of wins is the tie breaker when the points are level, not NNR.
 
Tbf I don't think we deserve to be in the Semis, we have one of the weakest batting line ups of the tournament. Bangladesh and Pakistan deserve it more and will offer more fight in the Semis.

Our captain/management keep persisting with duds who can't contribute 10 runs between them. Can only imagine how bad things will be in a SF where there is pressure.
 
Aman said:
Tbf I don't think we deserve to be in the Semis, we have one of the weakest batting line ups of the tournament. Bangladesh and Pakistan deserve it more and will offer more fight in the Semis.

Our captain/management keep persisting with duds who can't contribute 10 runs between them. Can only imagine how bad things will be in a SF where there is pressure.
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Any chance of Nichols or Blundell playing?...
 
shaykh said:
Any chance of Nichols or Blundell playing?...
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At this point they have to play for the rest of the tournament.

Munro and Latham are literally giving us nothing, they can't possibly do worse.

I can't Kane has given them this much of a rope... Both should have played this game.
 
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Aman said:
Tbf I don't think we deserve to be in the Semis, we have one of the weakest batting line ups of the tournament. Bangladesh and Pakistan deserve it more and will offer more fight in the Semis.

Our captain/management keep persisting with duds who can't contribute 10 runs between them. Can only imagine how bad things will be in a SF where there is pressure.
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NZ should bring in Blundell and Nicholls next game. I was baffled to see no Nicholls this game. Nicholls can at least anchor at the top.
 
The Viper said:
NZ should bring in Blundell and Nicholls next game. I was baffled to see no Nicholls this game. Nicholls can at least anchor at the top.
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Munro is a complete waste of a WC spot and somehow he's played all our WC games.

Feels like we're batting with 9 ATM and staring matches 0-2/0-3 with Guptill out of form.
 
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With all this analysis, the one thing that always surprises me is the assumption that India will qualify.

They may easily lose twice this week.
 
Sin Nombre said:
With all this analysis, the one thing that always surprises me is the assumption that India will qualify.

They may easily lose twice this week.
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2 losses in one week? It has taken 8 years for India to have lost 2 matches in the WC.

Even if India lose 2 of their remaining 4 matches, they will qualify with 13 points.
 
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Sin Nombre said:
With all this analysis, the one thing that always surprises me is the assumption that India will qualify.

They may easily lose twice this week.
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They could lose twice and still make it since they have relatively easier matches after that against BD and SL. They only need two wins to confirm qualification.
 
This is the beauty of this format- only Aussies are confirmed qualifiers while Afghans & SAF are out. 12-13 games left and still in multiple 3 of 7 will qualify, 4 will miss out. If WIN beats IND tomorrow, extremely unlikely but that will make every game there after almost do or die.
 
MMHS said:
This is the beauty of this format- only Aussies are confirmed qualifiers while Afghans & SAF are out. 12-13 games left and still in multiple 3 of 7 will qualify, 4 will miss out. If WIN beats IND tomorrow, extremely unlikely but that will make every game there after almost do or die.
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I am beginning to not like this format. Too much competition for that one last spot between 4-5 teams. At this point, had Ind lost against Afg even they would’ve been in huge trouble.
 
England is capable of beating both India and NZ. Hussain already talked about fresh pitch at the Edgbaston not the used one. They are going to try everything to get united nations reaching the semis.
 
Aman said:
Munro is a complete waste of a WC spot and somehow he's played all our WC games.

Feels like we're batting with 9 ATM and staring matches 0-2/0-3 with Guptill out of form.
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At this point I feel anyone else opening would be better than Munro.
 
Imagine if India loses 4 on the trot from here on out... that would be lovely :ashwin
 
NZ got lucky against Windies. You could say BD also had potential chance to win. SA could have also beaten them if they had taken the review against Kane. NZ is Kane or Gone team. To win world cup matches you need multiple players stepping up at various stages. For Australia it is definitely happening. Only Maxie has gone missing so far. He could very well turn up in one of the key games. Watch out. They are going to walk away with world cup.
 
I doubt the top three will change.. England looks most vulnerable not because of its 4th place but also because they have the toughest games left.

Hoping SA to turn up and win a few to make this more interesting
 
Stewie said:
I doubt the top three will change.. England looks most vulnerable not because of its 4th place but also because they have the toughest games left.

Hoping SA to turn up and win a few to make this more interesting
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If India beats WI today, it will free up their mind. If they roll out a road it could very well backfire if one of Rohit or Kohli clicks. They go big when that happens.
 
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