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ICC World Cup 2019 : Points table, Net Run Rates, qualifying scenarios & Stats thread

If India beat England
But England beat nz
Then bangle are out

But if bangla beat us england are back in after above!!!!!!!!
 
RickyG said:
It's been a world cup of small margins. Pakistan's game against Sri Lanka was rained out. While NZ's game against India was rained out. I would've rather played Sri Lanka than India.

That being said, you never know. Maybe all of NZ's losses are out of its system or will be once the semis start...

Have faith.
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We're not Pakistan we don't have these extreme peaks in KOs/as the tournament progresses, we peak early in the groups before better teams knock us out.
 
How bad do India need to lose their last 3 games and us to win to get past their nrr?
 
angeldsoul said:
If India beat England
But England beat nz
Then bangle are out

But if bangla beat us england are back in after above!!!!!!!!
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IF Eng loses both, Bangla can get narrowly defeated by India and beat PAK to qualify (Their NRR is much better than PAK)

IF Eng loses to India but defeats NZ, Bangla have to defeat both India & Pakistan.
IF Eng loses to India but defeats NZ & Bangla loses to IND but defeats PAK, ENG will qualify
 
mon858 said:
How bad do India need to lose their last 3 games and us to win to get past their nrr?
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Pakistani fans should really stop talking about NRR, its hopeless situation for us. Just pray England loses one of their two games, thats it.
 
Firstly Paksistan has to win their game against BD and than hope Eng loses one of their remaining game which will get Pakistan in the SF as #4. That's our only chance.....
 
GoUgandaCranes said:
Pak vs Bangla can both be a quarter final or a dead rubber.

This world cup is fun.
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Now that New Zealand has lost to Australia, the Pak v Bang match will not be a dead rubber at least for Pakistan.

From what I understand, Pakistan will have a chance to get through to the semi final against Bangladesh now no matter what happens.

Worst case scenario would be if England wins both matches which will mean New Zealand stays on 11 points giving us a chance to get through with NRR but we would need a big win over Bangladesh.
 
It's going to be an interesting next several days.

How nervous will England be vs India? HOw hard will India try, knowing they're already in?

How will NZ fare against England?

Frankly, I'm proud of how Pakistan has bounced back and wouldn't mind so much if they are knocked out. At least their team combo is right now and they're trying their best, unlike the last few world cups.

It's unfortunate for Pakistan that the SL game was washed out when SL was in a real slump.
 
BakuGM said:
Firstly Paksistan has to win their game against BD and than hope Eng loses one of their remaining game which will get Pakistan in the SF as #4. That's our only chance.....
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Technically it's in our hand now
If England win next 2 we could "technically " smash bangla by huge huge huge margin and make it in nrr
Wont happen but technically in our hands!!!!
Lolol
 
j_kazmi said:
Now that New Zealand has lost to Australia, the Pak v Bang match will not be a dead rubber at least for Pakistan.

From what I understand, Pakistan will have a chance to get through to the semi final against Bangladesh now no matter what happens.

Worst case scenario would be if England wins both matches which will mean New Zealand stays on 11 points giving us a chance to get through with NRR but we would need a big win over Bangladesh.
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Nah, as others have said, the only chance for Pakistan is if England loses at least one match out of two, and if Pak beats Bangladesh.
 
I think if England manage to beat India tomorrow... They'll become unstoppable again and will easily nail down Newzealand... All shall be revealed by this time tomorrow..
 
Big big game tomorrow.... if England win they take a big step towards the semis, whereas if India win then the final round of group games is blown wide open and suddenly that last semi-final place could go to any one of England, Pakistan, Bangladesh or even Sri Lanka.
 
If it came down to NRR... Pakistan is still 273 runs in deficit and NZ are 171 runs positive... The difference between the two sides works out just over 400 runs (i.e, pakistan to beat bangla by 200 runs and england to beat NZ by same runs) from what i make it out as... so take it as improbable
 
James said:
Big big game tomorrow.... if England win they take a big step towards the semis, whereas if India win then the final round of group games is blown wide open and suddenly that last semi-final place could go to any one of England, Pakistan, Bangladesh or even Sri Lanka.
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SL are out, wins are looked at first then NRR.
 
Captain said:
If it came down to NRR... Pakistan is still 273 runs in deficit and NZ are 171 runs positive... The difference between the two sides works out just over 400 runs (i.e, pakistan to beat bangla by 200 runs and england to beat NZ by same runs) from what i make it out as... so take it as improbable
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How did we get 273 runs in deficit?? What even ...
 
Aman said:
SL are out, wins are looked at first then NRR.
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SL can get 4 wins, that would mean 10 points. PAK and BANG can finish with 9 points each and if Eng loses both, SL will qualify
 
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mgtow said:
West Indies match? All out in 105? Thblmat match sets us way way back.
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That was so brainless. They didn't even think about getting as much runs as possible instead opting for mindless slogging. Imagine if we end up going out on NRR. Would only have ourselves to blame for that.
 
if Birmingham ends up having a spinner friendly pitch again then India will definitely be the favorites against England. India winning is the best case for Pakistan IMO.

Ideally, Eng loses to India
NZ loses to Eng and Pak wins against bangladesh in a way that makes them number 3 in the group stages (is it possible?)
SFs will then be between Ind and NZ at manchester- Ind wins
and Pak vs Aus at birmingham - Pak wins
Pak vs Ind final
:moyo2
 
On all accounts it's a batting wicket so England has an advantage. For India it will probably be a wake up call to dump 3D and get Pant or DK in for BD game.
 
JellyBro said:
if Birmingham ends up having a spinner friendly pitch again then India will definitely be the favorites against England. India winning is the best case for Pakistan IMO.

Ideally, Eng loses to India
NZ loses to Eng and Pak wins against bangladesh in a way that makes them number 3 in the group stages (is it possible?)
SFs will then be between Ind and NZ at manchester- Ind wins
and Pak vs Aus at birmingham - Pak wins
Pak vs Ind final
:moyo2
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The Aussies are back man. There is no way in heck they are gonna let this WC slide. The bowling is at it's best, the batting is clicking and the Aussie attitude in do or die games is legendary
 
I would not like any team to make semi-final with a negative net run rate.
 
srh said:
I would not like any team to make semi-final with a negative net run rate.
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If Pakistan makes it to the semi-finals, they'll have five wins and three losses, with one no-result. That's actually a pretty good record. NRR can at times be seriously affected by extreme peaks and valleys.

I would be happy even with Pak ending the World Cup campaign by beating Bdesh and not qualifying for the semis. They have done way better than most people expected, and if they end up among top four, it'll be a story for the ages.
 
Still wide open ...all teams except Australia can still qualify for semis or get out of semis..awesome World Cup,this has been
 
New Zealand is the most lucky team and West Indies the most unlucky team of this WC so far.
 
It is highly unlikely that India will win.

So Pakistan's only hope now is that New Zealand bat first and Boult runs through poms batting
 
Pakistan now most likely out of World Cup. Will need to beat Bangladesh by 230 or so runs.

With England beating India today, Pakistan are more or less out of the world cup.

Even if New Zealand beat England our run rate will be significantly behind New Zealand's.

England beating New Zealand will mean Pakistan will need to beat Bangladesh by around 230 runs to get through on run rate.

Extremely unlikely.

This is what happens when you persist with Shoaib Malik and leave Haris Sohail out.
 
PakWarrior said:
With England beating India today, Pakistan are more or less out of the world cup.

Even if New Zealand beat England our run rate will be significantly behind New Zealand's.

England beating New Zealand will mean Pakistan will need to beat Bangladesh by around 230 runs to get through on run rate.

Extremely unlikely.

This is what happens when you persist with Shoaib Malik and leave Haris Sohail out.
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If NZ beat England, Pakistan will go through ahead of England (If they beat BD).
 
PakWarrior said:
With England beating India today, Pakistan are more or less out of the world cup.

Even if New Zealand beat England our run rate will be significantly behind New Zealand's.

England beating New Zealand will mean Pakistan will need to beat Bangladesh by around 230 runs to get through on run rate.

Extremely unlikely.

This is what happens when you persist with Shoaib Malik and leave Haris Sohail out.
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How did you come up with this 230 figure? What assumptions did you make about New Zealand's defeat?
 
Bilal7 said:
How did you come up with this 230 figure? What assumptions did you make about New Zealand's defeat?
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While margin might not need be 230 runs, unless NZ gets absolutely THRASHED by England and Pakistan can at least win by 100-120 runs, Pakistan might overtake NZ in NRR.

In essence if England win, we would need a miracle.
 
Odds of India/New Zealand ending up with a lower NRR than Pakistan?

India: +0.854
New Zealand: +0.572
Pakistan: - 0.792


If India and New Zealand lose their remaining matches, how bad could they lose to end up below Pakistan?
 
MMHS said:
It’s 1 vs 4; 2 vs 3. Almost certainly India & Aussies will finish at 1-2.

Most likely scenario me thinks -
Australia 1 (16 points)
IND 2 (15, one washout & loss against Poms)
Poms 3 (12, they’ll win last 2)
NZ 4 (11, even if PAK wins over BD, Kiwis will make it via NRR)

AUS-NZ
Poms-IND

I don’t mind NZ-ENG final - we need a new champ.
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Half way there.....
 
Sri Lanka are now knocked out as the maximum they can get is 10 points and they will lose out to England on the number of wins.

Tomorrow's match is a dead rubber.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
India: +0.854
New Zealand: +0.572
Pakistan: - 0.792


If India and New Zealand lose their remaining matches, how bad could they lose to end up below Pakistan?
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100 plus runs in my opinion.

But India willl manhandle SL most likely.

Which leaves NZ.
 
India is playing Bangladesh next, doubt Bangladesh can beat India by a huge one sided margin

New Zealand is in a safer position in comparison to England who will desperately want to win that game so i am concerned at NZ being defensive and soft

Pakistan now desperately needs that win against Bangladesh and the present situation is good as it will make them more determined to go hard
 
PakWarrior said:
With England beating India today, Pakistan are more or less out of the world cup.

Even if New Zealand beat England our run rate will be significantly behind New Zealand's.

England beating New Zealand will mean Pakistan will need to beat Bangladesh by around 230 runs to get through on run rate.

Extremely unlikely.

This is what happens when you persist with Shoaib Malik and leave Haris Sohail out.
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If you don't know about something then don't post about it.

If pak beat bd and nz beat eng, pak will go through regardless of the NRR.
This is because pak will be on 11 points and eng will be on 10
 
Dr_Bassim said:
While margin might not need be 230 runs, unless NZ gets absolutely THRASHED by England and Pakistan can at least win by 100-120 runs, Pakistan might overtake NZ in NRR.

In essence if England win, we would need a miracle.
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Thank you. Whatever happens, it'll be exciting to watch.
 
MMHS said:
Half way there.....
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NZ dont even deserve to go through.

But neither does Pakistan for being so stupid as to take every game to 49th over.

However...

Australia will win the WC.

No team is stopping them.
 
Mathematically possible but it’ll need several world records to be broken.

As I wrote - losing a 100 overs game inside 35 overs is a beyond club level thrashing, PAK has to pay for that somewhere (not saying they are certain to reach 11 points)
 
I had a feeling India will lose since they were due a loss, their WC XI is poor in my eyes; a weak middle order is something you hardly associate India with. I'm not too sure if NZ will beat England even though NZ have been an invincible juggernaut in this WC. Their openers are not firing and will rely on their fast bowlers to rip through England. Inshallah they win.
 
Good thing for Pakistan is they would play bangladesh after two crucial games would have ended and they would either have a clear equation of how big they would have to beat Bangladesh or whether merely a win would be enough or third possibility being that of a dead rubber too.
 
mumtaz said:
Sri Lanka are now knocked out as the maximum they can get is 10 points and they will lose out to England on the number of wins.

Tomorrow's match is a dead rubber.
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West Indies are effectively out as well.
 
Since Bangladesh is also in the race, it is not going to be easy to beat them let alone beat with big margin.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Good thing for Pakistan is they would play bangladesh after two crucial games would have ended and they would either have a clear equation of how big they would have to beat Bangladesh or whether merely a win would be enough or third possibility being that of a dead rubber too.
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It cannot be a dead rubber.

Either its a straight win (England have lost to NZ).

Or they have to win in 25 overs ( England have won to NZ and Pak needs to achieve target in certain overs to overtake NZ).
 
Dr_Bassim said:
NZ dont even deserve to go through.

But neither does Pakistan for being so stupid as to take every game to 49th over.

However...

Australia will win the WC.

No team is stopping them.
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It was always touch & go for 4 teams - NZ, PAK, SAF & BD. Kiwis were lucky to be at the right side of fortune in key games - that BD-NZ game was 4 pointer.

Australia will make the final, so obviously if anyone has to win the WC, they’ll need to beat Aussies in a WC KO game.
 
Leave India aside they have Bangla and SL they are through
Come to Nz
assume they lose to England by 50 or 100 runs
what are the calculations than?
if only barithwate stuck that for a six vs Nz
or SA didn't choke
or mushfiq didn't bottle it
or it didn't rain vs SL
or most importantly we didn't put a horror show vs WI

anyways plz someone give me the calculations
 
Dr_Bassim said:
100 plus runs in my opinion.

But India willl manhandle SL most likely.

Which leaves NZ.
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100 runs defeat for both New Zealand and Bangladesh? That is possible.

England: 350
New Zealand: 240/10

Pakistan: 320
Bangladesh: 220/10

Or if it's a bowling-friendly track, Pakistan could bowl over Bangladesh for under 200, given that all of our bowlers are getting into top form.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Good thing for Pakistan is they would play bangladesh after two crucial games would have ended and they would either have a clear equation of how big they would have to beat Bangladesh or whether merely a win would be enough or third possibility being that of a dead rubber too.
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Yes, this will be helpful. Even if England win, Pakistan will know what they have to do and if they're good enough to crush Bangladesh in such a pressure-filled situation, they should be good enough to win against whoever they come up against in the semis.
 
Our best bet will be win the toss, put BAD into bat and hope to bowl them out for less 200 and chase it down in 25 overs or what ever it needs to be to overtake NZ, if NZ lose to England.
 
Bilal7 said:
100 runs defeat for both New Zealand and Bangladesh? That is possible.

England: 350
New Zealand: 240/10

Pakistan: 320
Bangladesh: 220/10

Or if it's a bowling-friendly track, Pakistan could bowl over Bangladesh for under 200, given that all of our bowlers are getting into top form.
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The problem is once NZ realizes a chase is beyond them, they will just fixate on losing by minimum runs.

This is where Pakistan might pay for a weak WIN performance.
 
Savak said:
Pakistan has punched above its weight in this WC in comparison to its actual ODI rankings and form coming into the tournament, we can't be too dissapointed with their effort in this WC
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Yes Pakistan should keep the same team for the next WC; Malik, Hafeez, Sarfraz, Imam should remain with the team
 
Bewal Express said:
Our best bet will be win the toss, put BAD into bat and hope to bowl them out for less 200 and chase it down in 25 overs or what ever it needs to be to overtake NZ, if NZ lose to England.
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yeah chasing is the best option when runrate senario arrives
 
Deewana said:
[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] sir plz provide the calculations
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Can’t - no one can, until ENG-NZ result is known. You can assume a margin (Kiwi defeat margin). If I take both ENG & PAK will win by runs, then roughly the gap has to be over 300 (Kiwis losing by 100, PAK winning by 200+).

If one or both PAK, ENG chase, then roughly Kiwis have to lose inside 40 overs, PAK to win inside 20. I didn’t waste time on it because useless exercise - mathematically actually BD has a better chance - beat India, PAK by combined 200+ margin or inside 60 overs .... we are there. Poms will beat Kiwis, even a wash out doesn’t help.
 
so if NZ lost to England, Pak win against Bangladesh, Pak and NZ will be tie on points, so I am confused, will it be decided on which team beat each other since PAK beat NZ or will it be NRR between the two? any thing offical on that
 
freelance_cricketer said:
India: +0.854
New Zealand: +0.572
Pakistan: - 0.792


If India and New Zealand lose their remaining matches, how bad could they lose to end up below Pakistan?
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You are going to be disappointed as while it is mathematically possible, it is in the real world impossible for Pakistan to make up a current deficit of around 400 runs vs. NZ and around 500 runs vs. India.
 
pakrock said:
so if NZ lost to England, Pak win against Bangladesh, Pak and NZ will be tie on points, so I am confused, will it be decided on which team beat each other since PAK beat NZ or will it be NRR between the two? any thing offical on that
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NRR. And unless Eng beat NZ by something like 200 runs or 9 wickets.. we have no chance to beat NZ on NRR.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
The problem is once NZ realizes a chase is beyond them, they will just fixate on losing by minimum runs.

This is where Pakistan might pay for a weak WIN performance.
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True. This is why I hope England bowl first against New Zealand.
 
pakrock said:
so if NZ lost to England, Pak win against Bangladesh, Pak and NZ will be tie on points, so I am confused, will it be decided on which team beat each other since PAK beat NZ or will it be NRR between the two? any thing offical on that
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In the case that there is a tie on NRR, the winner of the teams' group-stage match will be placed higher.
 
Only Australia have qualified as of now and no one else, that means there are 3 possible ways to eliminate each of the teams that are above us in the league stage, given that we win against Bangladesh.

1) India: If they lose each of their 2 remaining games, finish at 11 points behind Pakistan on NRR.

2) England: If they lose to New Zealand.

3) New Zealand: If they lose to England, finish at 11 points behind Pakistan on NRR.

Good thing in third case is, we will know exactly what to do due to their match being before us. Not in case of India, because they play on last day.


That means before the match we will know exactly what to do in it, ex: how many overs to chase the target in or to score very big and decimate Bangladesh to a low total.

We can try different team then,

1) Fakhar Zaman
2) Asif Ali
3) Babar Azam
4) Mohammad Hafeez
5) Haris Sohail
6) Imad Wasim
7) Wahab Riaz
8) Hasan Ali
9) Sarfraz Ahmed(C)(Wk)
10) Mohammad Amir
11) Shaheen Afridi
 
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