JibranAnsari
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even if nz lose by 200 runs and pakistan win by hundred runs , pakistan wont be through.
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What are the chances of ENG vs NZ being a washout?
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Guys all is not lost we still have hope inshallah we will do it
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Guys all is not lost we still have hope inshallah we will do it
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Guys all is not lost we still have hope inshallah we will do it
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Only Australia have qualified as of now and no one else, that means there are 3 possible ways to eliminate each of the teams that are above us in the league stage, given that we win against Bangladesh.
1) India: If they lose each of their 2 remaining games, finish at 11 points behind Pakistan on NRR.
2) England: If they lose to New Zealand.
3) New Zealand: If they lose to England, finish at 11 points behind Pakistan on NRR.
Good thing in third case is, we will know exactly what to do due to their match being before us. Not in case of India, because they play on last day.
That means before the match we will know exactly what to do in it, ex: how many overs to chase the target in or to score very big and decimate Bangladesh to a low total.
We can try different team then,
1) Fakhar Zaman
2) Asif Ali
3) Babar Azam
4) Mohammad Hafeez
5) Haris Sohail
6) Imad Wasim
7) Wahab Riaz
8) Hasan Ali
9) Sarfraz Ahmed(C)(Wk)
10) Mohammad Amir
11) Shaheen Afridi
A washout just ensures Pakistan go home.
England will end up on 11 points and their NRR is better than NZ.
What are the chances of ENG vs NZ being a washout?
We are out if England win. I think they will. We are done in this tournament.
Get ready for being disappointed then, New Zealand are no pushovers and have as much chance as England to win that game.
Also, Pakistan can still manage their run rate to go above New Zealand or India in other cases, they are after all Pakistan.
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Guys all is not lost we still have hope inshallah we will do it
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Also, I don't think any team loses deliberately, but this win has almost ensured Australia will end up as Number 1 at the end of league stage and the Semi-Final lineups would be as follows if Pakistan qualifies:
Australia vs Pakistan
India vs New Zealand
Pakistan vs India Final again, Pakistan to win it again.
In summary, after today's match India vs Pakistan Semi-Final is highly unlikely and they will meet only in Final in one heck of a game.
I will be ecstatic if NZ win. Why would I be disappointed? Just because I don't have your optimism doesn't mean I want England to win. But i don't see New Zealand beating England.
Disappointed at being wrong in what you predicted, I am not saying anything else.
Disappointed at being wrong in what you predicted, I am not saying anything else.
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Fake news
If England score 350 and bowl New Zealand out for 150
And Pakistan score 350 and bowl Bangladesh out for 150
Pakistan's NRR will STILL be worse than New Zealand's.
So we have 0 chance of getting through with NRR in play?
So we have 0 chance of getting through with NRR in play?
Yes. Some calculations were done by a few of us yesterday and are there on this thread itself. Pakistan, realistically, have no chance of qualifying on NRR.
Pretty much.
OK let's put it another way.
If New Zealand bat first and make 150 all out. England chase the total in 20 overs.
And Bangladesh bat first and make 150 all out.
Pakistan will have to chase the total in 10 overs for their NRR to be better than New Zealand.
See the margins. They are just too big.
lol this is much more realistic then calculation MMHS came up with. Still believe Pakistan chasing games at 49th over will cost them. Afghan game should have won under 40 overs and against NZ at most 45th over.
Pretty much.
OK let's put it another way.
If New Zealand bat first and make 150 all out. England chase the total in 20 overs.
And Bangladesh bat first and make 150 all out.
Pakistan will have to chase the total in 10 overs for their NRR to be better than New Zealand.
See the margins. They are just too big.
Don’t see NZ beating England. Don’t understand why PP has so much faith in them.
Green pitch with NZ bowling first and Boult ripping out 2-3. That's atleast more likely than qualifying on NRR which is near impossible.
Forget the NRR chance.
The only way for Pakistan to qualify really is if New Zealand beat England.
Sorry this one is wrongMade an error....
If this scenario happened, Pakistan wouldn't be able to overhaul NZ's NRR, even if they chased 150 in 1 ball.
Don’t see NZ beating England. Don’t understand why PP has so much faith in them.
@ Rad Doc
Answer: History
NZ nearly always lose against Australia and England. Infact they lost all the big games in this wc. Won a tight game against RSA in the last over.
On a side note first batting is definitely an advantage in this WC. We thought chasing was primarily a Pak problem. The reality is most sides struggle. Look at England. Lost all games while chasing. Had India batted first today and scored 300 plus we might have seen a different outcome. NZ collapsed against Australia yesterday
So you are not giving a team that is currently ranked 3rd in the world, has reached 6 semifinals in world cups and were runner's up in the last world cup any chance of beating England? I think NZ have the big game temparament more than England. If they bat first, they are winning.
NZ NRR prior to 87 runs loss to Aus was 1.028 and after that loss it has come down to 0.5. If NZ lose to Eng by say 40 runs, their RR would drop to approx 0.25. That will be a factor of 0.5 greater greater than Pak. Psk would req to win by a margin of 80 runs or complete the chase by 35th over. Cricinfo is right
NZ NRR prior to 87 runs loss to Aus was 1.028 and after that loss it has come down to 0.5. If NZ lose to Eng by say 40 runs, their RR would drop to approx 0.25. That will be a factor of 0.5 greater greater than Pak. Psk would req to win by a margin of 80 runs or complete the chase by 35th over. Cricinfo is right
Looks like some people are doing NRR calculations very incorrectly here. West indies bowl us out for 100 and chased the target which gave them huge NRR boost. We can also do the same although difficult.
NZ NRR prior to 87 runs loss to Aus was 1.028 and after that loss it has come down to 0.5. If NZ lose to Eng by say 40 runs, their RR would drop to approx 0.25. That will be a factor of 0.5 greater greater than Pak. Psk would req to win by a margin of 80 runs or complete the chase by 35th over. Cricinfo is right
Not the same. Now it's averaged over 9 matches. So its harder to increase your NRR dramatically like that.
We are done and dusted. Time to face the reality. We got what we deserved.
We are done and dusted. Time to face the reality. We got what we deserved.
Nz can win against England.
Not what we deserved if we win against Bangladesh.
Sri Lanka game which was washed out did not help either.
Still disappointed about how we lost to WI.
And the gulf between Australia and India and us was too much.
But let’s hope Pakistan gets better and performs before the WC 2023 and we get in the tournament with a perfect team and a goal: win the WC.
Not happening.
Pak find themselves in this position because of a really pathetic batting display in the first game (105 all out) against Windies. Should not have lost to them. Even BD beat them
Every one expected the games against India and Australia to be tough
Australia will likely finish on 16 points
India 15 points
England 12 points
NZ will remain on 11. Luck factor also helping NZ... they nearly always lose against Australia and England
India would have thrashed them too. Lucky to get one point there
We would have beaten Lanka. Lost one point there
Pak might beat BD and finish on 11 points as well
Both Pak and NZ will then have equal points as well as total no of wins (5) but
NZ will go thru on account of better NRR
SF line up
Australia vs NZ. Aus will win
India vs England. India or England will win depending on who bats first..
Final: Australia vs India or England
WI game was an off day. Any team can have an off day and that too early on in the competition.No guarantees we would have beaten Sri Lanka. We can only focus on the matches that took place. India vs New Zealand would have benefited/harmed a few teams as well.
Truth to be told, our campaign ended after the opening game. We have been at the mercy of others since, because it completely destroyed our NRR.
The same reason they have faith in a Pakistani team, ranked 6th, producing players from a broken system with no international cricket at home. Let us be optimistic and stop putting us down.
Good joke.Nz can win against England.
Just like Pakistan beating England and New Zealand?
Your predictions have been laughable; then again, even a broken clock is right twice a day!
WI game was an off day. Any team can have an off day and that too early on in the competition.
The key turning point for me was the Aus loss. We should have chased down the target. What on earth were we thinking playing Asif Ali ahead of Haris Sohail!
This Pakistan team has been a proper minnow for two years. Our off-day means producing a quality performance, and our usual day is playing circus cricket.
This is the time for you to run your mouth, but I will have the last laugh as usual. For now, you can say what you want - the stage is yours.
Aaj awaaz waapis aa gayi hai iskiStop watching then.
Agree on the poor performances since CT win.This Pakistan team has been a proper minnow for two years. Our off-day means producing a quality performance, and our usual day is playing circus cricket.
Aaj awaaz waapis aa gayi hai iski
Really hope New Zealand crush this dude's hopes on Tuesday. They did it to South Africa in 2015, no reason they can't do it again.
Aaj awaaz waapis aa gayi hai iski
Really hope New Zealand crush this dude's hopes on Tuesday. They did it to South Africa in 2015, no reason they can't do it again.
Pakistan have been the luckiesr team in this wc.
Got turning track vs nz and nz misread it- sodhi plays and pak were not chasing that total.
Very lucky with umpring decisions vs Afghans too.