ICC World Cup 2019 : Points table, Net Run Rates, qualifying scenarios & Stats thread

[Usergame]

Even when I expect nothing, this team still manages to disappoint.

I would have preferred missing out narrowly than to qualify to the Semis like we have.

We have zero right to be in the Semis and will serve nothing as a walkover match.

India and Aus should be doing their best to ensure they finish second and face us as it will guarantee a Final.

You're talking about nz right? Why do we have no right to be in the semis? Who does then? Pakistan who got rolled for 105 vs windies and luckily beat afghan due to 2 umpiring decisions? England who lost to lanka?
We deserve to make the semis if we end on top 4 on points table. Certainly this team is better than 2007 and 2011 that made the semis. Infact I give us more chance to pull off an upset than In 99 when had fleming and his clowns.

 

[farazaidi]

If this happened, if that happened..

We could also say the same...India were lucky because they batted first against both Aus and Pak (Yes Sarfraz blundered big time by not choosing to bat first against both Aus and India) in the league games. Had Aus batted first at The Oval and scored 300 plus, with Starc and co. India would have struggled big time imo. Today fielding first, Indian bowling looked absolutely toothless. They took wickets when damage had already been done. And Afghanistan nearly beat India. They do well against Asian teams

exactly. How lucky is NZ? they got India game washed out which they'd lost most probably. Both BANG and PAK got SL game washed out which cost us an important point. If it wasnt for washouts, the points table had looked like this

1. AUS 14 pts
2. IND 12 pts
3. NZ 10 pts
4. ENG 10 pts
5. PAK 10 pts
6. BANG 8 pts

Both Bangladesh & Pakistan had a very good chance of qualifying

 

[Syed1]

You're talking about nz right? Why do we have no right to be in the semis? Who does then? Pakistan who got rolled for 105 vs windies and luckily beat afghan due to 2 umpiring decisions? England who lost to lanka?
We deserve to make the semis if we end on top 4 on points table. Certainly this team is better than 2007 and 2011 that made the semis. Infact I give us more chance to pull off an upset than In 99 when had fleming and his clowns.

Pak beat NZ in all departments of the game and thrashed you like the minnow you are. Left out that inconvenient fact.

 

[Bahnz]

If any one here thinks Pakistan are/were lucky to be standing at 9 points are sorely mistaken. At today's form no one wants to play Pakistan, in fact we would be the most unluckiest team to not make it to the semis after winning 3 games in a row and 90% chance will win a 4th one as well.

On the other hand New Zealand team is the luckiest where they only beat minnows (& out of form SA) to get to 11 points. They will be thrashed (unfortunately) by England thus going into semifinal after losing to all the other qualifiers.

There is no way NZ should be going to SF as they will be a cannon fodder for Aus there. Now if by any miracle (almost non existent) Pakistan qualifies as #4 based on NRR than we will have two huge SF with Aus vs Pak and Ind vs Eng. These would be the ideal match-ups for a prestigious tournament like World Cup.

Alas this is not what will happen because Pakistan started slow out of the gates as well as getting 1 point against SL whereas NZ also getting 1 point from India (a certain loss for Kiwis).

NZ is a bad team and has no business making it to SF and I am not saying it because of Pakistan missing out but rather they bring the value of SF down. Who have they beaten in this WC? This format is what saved them from being thrown out early from the tournament given they wouldn't have topped or come 2nd in a group set up as they have lost 3 + 1 games.

Oh please. Pakistan only have themselves to blame, turning in embarrassing performances against WI, India and Afghanistan. On their best day they may be a better side than New Zealand, but more often than not they're worse, and that's why NZ will be advancing ahead of them.

 

[Aman]

You're talking about nz right? Why do we have no right to be in the semis? Who does then? Pakistan who got rolled for 105 vs windies and luckily beat afghan due to 2 umpiring decisions? England who lost to lanka?
We deserve to make the semis if we end on top 4 on points table. Certainly this team is better than 2007 and 2011 that made the semis. Infact I give us more chance to pull off an upset than In 99 when had fleming and his clowns.

Those teams have big performances, we've beaten midtable teams unconvincingly and lost to good teams convincingly.

 

[The Yorker]

it seems a 90 run swing would do it which is entirely possible. If England win handsomely with a significant run advantage and pakistan do the same its entirely possible that pakistan will qualify for the semis.

 

[farazaidi]

it seems a 90 run swing would do it which is entirely possible. If England win handsomely with a significant run advantage and pakistan do the same its entirely possible that pakistan will qualify for the semis.

it does not. Please read through the thread and you'll find the equations we have to match, a deficit of nearly 431 runs.

 

[Usman Chadda]

its on Wednesday bro. Mark your calender properly, you wouldnt want to miss that epic capitulation by the great England team.

Oh yes. Let's get behind the hobbits now

 

[BakuGM]

Oh please. Pakistan only have themselves to blame, turning in embarrassing performances against WI, India and Afghanistan. On their best day they may be a better side than New Zealand, but more often than not they're worse, and that's why NZ will be advancing ahead of them.

We are talking about 2019 WC performance and any neutral person would agree that Pakistan has been much much better than NZ. You cannot talk about previous series as good teams gel and peak at the righttime, cue Pakistan.

 

[The Yorker]

it does not. Please read through the thread and you'll find the equations we have to match, a deficit of nearly 431 runs.

is it really ???

i am no expert in arithmetic but I have tried to work it out.
NZ NRR is 0.572 and Pak NRR is -0.792, the difference being 1.364. I now make that a difference of 70 runs. 70/50overs equals 1.4. which would allow Pak NRR to go above NZ's. Now I dont know if thats right but if someone more knowledgeable could explain how its 431 runs I would appreciate it.

 

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

I really hope Bangladesh find a way to shock India on Tuesday (India will be playing a game on no rest). This will increase Bangladesh’s runrate. It will make sure NZ knows that if they lose and Bangladesh beats Pakistan they can knock NZ out on NRR. I think this can actually force NZ to take the game as a must win

 

[Sin Nombre]

BD beating India on Tuesday is not out of the question at all.

Keep in mind India will have had no rest, and coming off a defeat which is being scrutinized and criticized a lot. They will be under a lot of pressure.

 

[anikrc1]

is it really ???

i am no expert in arithmetic but I have tried to work it out.
NZ NRR is 0.572 and Pak NRR is -0.792, the difference being 1.364. I now make that a difference of 70 runs. 70/50overs equals 1.4. which would allow Pak NRR to go above NZ's. Now I dont know if thats right but if someone more knowledgeable could explain how its 431 runs I would appreciate it.

Number of overs is not 50.it's close to 400

 

[Aman]

BD beating India on Tuesday is not out of the question at all.

Keep in mind India will have had no rest, and coming off a defeat which is being scrutinized and criticized a lot. They will be under a lot of pressure.

India wont want to lose that otherwise they will lose a lot of momentum and go into the Semis losing 2 out of 3.

 

[MMHS]

is it really ???

i am no expert in arithmetic but I have tried to work it out.
NZ NRR is 0.572 and Pak NRR is -0.792, the difference being 1.364. I now make that a difference of 70 runs. 70/50overs equals 1.4. which would allow Pak NRR to go above NZ's. Now I dont know if thats right but if someone more knowledgeable could explain how its 431 runs I would appreciate it.

Your thought process is correct - exactly that’s the way I can calculate the ball park NRR situation without spreadsheet or calculator.

However, NRR is based on weighted average for all the overs played by a team. PAK & NZ combined will play around 750-800 overs (NRR is gap of batting & bowling rate, hence taking one side of batting or bowling is enough), that’s average of say 750 overs.

Now, after 9 games (375 overs), to make up that 1.36 gap, the margin (Kiwi’s loss + PAK’s win), has to be around 500 runs. That’s considering Kiwis batting 2nd & PAK batting first. If it’s on overs, roughly each over saved (by ENG & PAK), should improve NRR by 0.02/7.5= 0.003. That actually tells (don’t catch me, I am calculating in my head), it’s mathematically impossible for PAK to make-up if they bat 2nd.

 

[Gilly]

India wont want to lose that otherwise they will lose a lot of momentum and go into the Semis losing 2 out of 3.

Aman should NZ lose to England do you think it will be suspicious.

 

[Aman]

Aman should NZ lose to England do you think it will be suspicious.

It's a given we'll lose...

 

[Aman]

Your thought process is correct - exactly that’s the way I can calculate the ball park NRR situation without spreadsheet or calculator.

However, NRR is based on weighted average for all the overs played by a team. PAK & NZ combined will play around 750-800 overs (NRR is gap of batting & bowling rate, hence taking one side of batting or bowling is enough), that’s average of say 750 overs.

Now, after 9 games (375 overs), to make up that 1.36 gap, the margin (Kiwi’s loss + PAK’s win), has to be around 500 runs. That’s considering Kiwis batting 2nd & PAK batting first. If it’s on overs, roughly each over saved (by ENG & PAK), should improve NRR by 0.02/7.5= 0.003. That actually tells (don’t catch me, I am calculating in my head), it’s mathematically impossible for PAK to make-up if they bat 2nd.

So Bangladesh can knock Pakistan out just by choosing to bowl first? )

 

[sada90]

so for pakistan to qualify .its easier for England to loose and win against bangladesh
but they also can go through semi final if newzeland beat England and Pak beat bang by 50 runs?
any other scenario ?

 

[Stewie]

We will match NZ NRR is we bat first, score 400 or so and bowl them out for 100 or below.

Best case scenario if England beat them by 150-200 runs and that makes our job a little lighter but still very very very tough

 

[Kianig89]

I guess other than Boult Ferguson n co. Bundling out Eng we have no other chance provided we beat Bdesh which in itself is a mammoth task

 

[Usergame]

Not what we deserved if we win against Bangladesh.

Sri Lanka game which was washed out did not help either.

Still disappointed about how we lost to WI.

And the gulf between Australia and India and us was too much.

But let’s hope Pakistan gets better and performs before the WC 2023 and we get in the tournament with a perfect team and a goal: win the WC.

It is exactly what you deserve if you finish outside the top 4.
Ppl keep going about the sl washout but then forget that pakistan has had all the luck since then. They win afghan game because of poor umpire decisions.

 

[Usergame]

exactly. How lucky is NZ? they got India game washed out which they'd lost most probably. Both BANG and PAK got SL game washed out which cost us an important point. If it wasnt for washouts, the points table had looked like this

1. AUS 14 pts
2. IND 12 pts
3. NZ 10 pts
4. ENG 10 pts
5. PAK 10 pts
6. BANG 8 pts

Both Bangladesh & Pakistan had a very good chance of qualifying

Well you are going on about ifs and buts more than me. Pakistan hav been luckier than nz . Stop whinging. If you dont make it you dont, its not about "luck". Pakistan could have lost to lanka too.

 

[Major]

So Bangladesh can knock Pakistan out just by choosing to bowl first? )

thats a good one.

Cant there be any miracles in calculations aswell?

 

[mudassir84]

New Zealand have been the most luckiest team in the entire history of universe.
Had washout against india
Braithwaite could not hold his hitting in last over
Very close against bangladesh
Last over win against sourh africa
Infact pakistan have defeated 2 out of 4 top 4 teams but new zealand have been utter garbage against them
They do not deserve top 4
But that's not how real world works.
That west indies game was where pakistan's world cup finished.

 

[Snatch]

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Guys all is not lost we still have hope inshallah we will do it

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Those calculations are just incorrect.

NZ needs to lose to England by 250 runs and then Pakistan need to beat Bangladesh by about the same margin.

If NZ lose only lose by 150 runs, and Pakistan beat Bangladesh by 150 runs, I think Pakistan will still fall short of NZ's NRR.

 

[Snatch]

We are done and dusted. Time to face the reality. We got what we deserved.

A truthful realistic Pakistan fan, exactly correct.

Totally understandable Pakistan fans are hoping for all these unlikely scenarios where they might get through, but if they don't, nobody can complain, they simply weren't good enough.

 

[Snatch]

Nz can win against England.

Only if they got suitable conditions, but following the whining from Jonny Bairstow, you can be sure the groundsmen will do their best to provide a flat wicket like the Eng/India wicket, which is where England play at their best.

 

[Snatch]

No guarantees we would have beaten Sri Lanka. We can only focus on the matches that took place. India vs New Zealand would have benefited/harmed a few teams as well.

Truth to be told, our campaign ended after the opening game. We have been at the mercy of others since, because it completely destroyed our NRR.

Yeah exactly, it's annoying that so many posters here assume NZ would have lost to India (when if that game did go ahead in the grey gloomy conditions on a damp wicket, it would have favoured NZ seamers, and India could have been rolled as they were in the warm up against NZ).

While at the same times these same fans assume Pakistan would have beaten Sri Lanka, which was far from guaranteed either. Sri Lanka proved that by beating England.

 

[Snatch]

Stop watching then.

Why should he stop watching. Just because he's realistic and calls it as it really is doesn't mean he's not still a fan and supporter.

He's just honest and a realist.

 

[Snatch]

The joke is on you. You wanted Pakistan to fail in this WC from the get go (putting aside your hatred for Pakistan) such that it'd bring about drastic changes, but had you been a true Pakistan fan, you would know that no tournament results has ever brought about drastic changes in Pakistan cricket.

You have been running your mouth all day long because your first favourite team lost against your second favourite team today - put simply, fluked it, and instead of dissecting India's game, you decide to take it out on Pakistan!

Haha what a ridiculous post. Blaming another poster for being honest & real in their comments.

 

[Snatch]

If any one here thinks Pakistan are/were lucky to be standing at 9 points are sorely mistaken. At today's form no one wants to play Pakistan, in fact we would be the most unluckiest team to not make it to the semis after winning 3 games in a row and 90% chance will win a 4th one as well.

On the other hand New Zealand team is the luckiest where they only beat minnows (& out of form SA) to get to 11 points. They will be thrashed (unfortunately) by England thus going into semifinal after losing to all the other qualifiers.

There is no way NZ should be going to SF as they will be a cannon fodder for Aus there. Now if by any miracle (almost non existent) Pakistan qualifies as #4 based on NRR than we will have two huge SF with Aus vs Pak and Ind vs Eng. These would be the ideal match-ups for a prestigious tournament like World Cup.

Alas this is not what will happen because Pakistan started slow out of the gates as well as getting 1 point against SL whereas NZ also getting 1 point from India (a certain loss for Kiwis).

NZ is a bad team and has no business making it to SF and I am not saying it because of Pakistan missing out but rather they bring the value of SF down. Who have they beaten in this WC? This format is what saved them from being thrown out early from the tournament given they wouldn't have topped or come 2nd in a group set up as they have lost 3 + 1 games.

Yawn yawn, blah blah, if this happened and if that happened, and we're so unlucky... blah blah boring blah.

If Pakistan fail to make the semis they have no one to blame except themselves... nothing to do with bad luck.

 

[Mamoon]

Yeah exactly, it's annoying that so many posters here assume NZ would have lost to India (when if that game did go ahead in the grey gloomy conditions on a damp wicket, it would have favoured NZ seamers, and India could have been rolled as they were in the warm up against NZ).

While at the same times these same fans assume Pakistan would have beaten Sri Lanka, which was far from guaranteed either. Sri Lanka proved that by beating England.

Our fans want to have their cake and eat it too. They gloat over their unpredictability, but at the same time insist that the result of the Sri Lanka match would have a foregone conclusion.

Had we beaten either West Indies, India or Australia, we wouldn’t be pinning our hopes on India vs England. Losing to West Indies in that manner after having the best possible preparation (of all teams) is unforgivable.

 

[Mamoon]

If any one here thinks Pakistan are/were lucky to be standing at 9 points are sorely mistaken. At today's form no one wants to play Pakistan, in fact we would be the most unluckiest team to not make it to the semis after winning 3 games in a row and 90% chance will win a 4th one as well.

On the other hand New Zealand team is the luckiest where they only beat minnows (& out of form SA) to get to 11 points. They will be thrashed (unfortunately) by England thus going into semifinal after losing to all the other qualifiers.

There is no way NZ should be going to SF as they will be a cannon fodder for Aus there. Now if by any miracle (almost non existent) Pakistan qualifies as #4 based on NRR than we will have two huge SF with Aus vs Pak and Ind vs Eng. These would be the ideal match-ups for a prestigious tournament like World Cup.

Alas this is not what will happen because Pakistan started slow out of the gates as well as getting 1 point against SL whereas NZ also getting 1 point from India (a certain loss for Kiwis).

NZ is a bad team and has no business making it to SF and I am not saying it because of Pakistan missing out but rather they bring the value of SF down. Who have they beaten in this WC? This format is what saved them from being thrown out early from the tournament given they wouldn't have topped or come 2nd in a group set up as they have lost 3 + 1 games.

Trust me on this - the way Pakistan botched the run chase against Afghanistan and panicked as soon as the situation got tough, India and the likes of Australia would love to face our average team in the semifinal. England is a far, far bigger threat than us.

New Zealand are not a bad team. They are better than us and will beat us 8/10 times and that is how it has panned out between the two sides over the last couple of years.

If any team doesn’t deserve anything out of this World Cup it’s Pakistan. We are ranked 6th, we have played like an associate team for the last two years and we were on a 13 match losing streak coming into the World Cup.

We had the best possible preparation leading into the World Cup and were privileged with a 5 match ODI series vs England, and how did we respond? We got shot for 100 against West Indies in the opening game, who chased the total in 13.4 overs.

We are extremely deluded and the denial is emphatically strong. We cannot come to terms with our mediocrity and neither can we take responsibility for our failures. With this attitude, we will never become an elite team. This rotten mentality is the reason why we have been the poster boys of mediocrity for so long.

 

[Technics 1210]

Our fans want to have their cake and eat it too. They gloat over their unpredictability, but at the same time insist that the result of the Sri Lanka match would have a foregone conclusion.

Had we beaten either West Indies, India or Australia, we wouldn’t be pinning our hopes on India vs England. Losing to West Indies in that manner after having the best possible preparation (of all teams) is unforgivable.

Had we beaten West Indies, India or Australia, you'd be calling it a fluke!

There's no pleasing fake & fickle fans.

 

[Manager101]

Some posters are reacting like as if its a foregone conclusion that England will beat New Zealand. Wow

Just like there is no guarantee that Pakistan will win against Bangladesh, same is the case for ENG vs NZ, hence, hold your horses from both sides.

 

[Technics 1210]

Trust me on this - the way Pakistan botched the run chase against Afghanistan and panicked as soon as the situation got tough, India and the likes of Australia would love to face our average team in the semifinal. England is a far, far bigger threat than us.

New Zealand are not a bad team. They are better than us and will beat us 8/10 times and that is how it has panned out between the two sides over the last couple of years.

If any team doesn’t deserve anything out of this World Cup it’s Pakistan. We are ranked 6th, we have played like an associate team for the last two years and we were on a 13 match losing streak coming into the World Cup.

We had the best possible preparation leading into the World Cup and were privileged with a 5 match ODI series vs England, and how did we respond? We got shot for 100 against West Indies in the opening game, who chased the total in 13.4 overs.

We are extremely deluded and the denial is emphatically strong. We cannot come to terms with our mediocrity and neither can we take responsibility for our failures. With this attitude, we will never become an elite team. This rotten mentality is the reason why we have been the poster boys of mediocrity for so long.

If we repeat all the WCs, we'd most likely end up with a different winner in 80% of the tournaments. Past performances are irreverent in WCs, what matters is the performance on the day.

Be happy, despite your team losing yesterday, they have pretty much secured a top 4 spot, and as a bonus, your second favourite team stand a chance of qualifying for the Semis!

 

[Technics 1210]

Some posters are reacting like as if its a foregone conclusion that England will beat New Zealand. Wow

Just like there is no guarantee that Pakistan will win against Bangladesh, same is the case for ENG vs NZ, hence, hold your horses from both sides.

Indeed. The only certainty in this WC thus far are Mamoon's predictions falling flat.

 

[Bilal7]

Would love to see New Zealand beating England and hopefully ridding this forum of a bunch of whining aunties. Let's go, Kane!

 

[Couch Cricketer]

Against India we were outplayed looking at all our matches Aus was the one we shouldn't have lost. But it is mostly the first match loss against WI that will probably cost us a spot in the semi we lost but we lost hard and never improved our runrate

 

[PakWarrior]

Bangladesh please beat India tomorrow And you too Sri Lanka.

I'm sure most Pakistanis will be rooting for Bangladesh to beat India tomorrow (and not us on Friday) especially after yesterday's pathetic Indian approach.

Also hope Sri Lanka beat India too so hopefully India might get knocked out of the cup.

Best of luck to all Bangladeshis tomorrow.

 

[iky]

Pakistan still has chance on nrr

I'm sure most Pakistanis will be rooting for Bangladesh to beat India tomorrow (and not us on Friday) especially after yesterday's pathetic Indian approach.

Also hope Sri Lanka beat India too so hopefully India might get knocked out of the cup.

Best of luck to all Bangladeshis tomorrow.

For all the people on this thread saying no chance on net run rate these people are a joke so u know more then the cricket experts? 90 run swing will do it for Pakistan so stop it with your fake calculations u haven't got a clue what your talking about embarrassing fools

 

[Indiafan]

West Indies scored their runs in 13.5 overs at a RR of 7.9. Pakistan's 105 meant a RR of 2.1 That's why WI was +5.8 or so after the first game.

What he is trying to explain is that this was because only 1 match was played. If they had played 8 match before, WI NRR wouldn't increase by 5.8, it would be averaged out against 9 games and the increase would be much lower

 

[Indiafan]

Only if they got suitable conditions, but following the whining from Jonny Bairstow, you can be sure the groundsmen will do their best to provide a flat wicket like the Eng/India wicket, which is where England play at their best.

Also if England bat first and score big, nz might also play for NRR

 

[aqeelPK]

For all the people on this thread saying no chance on net run rate these people are a joke so u know more then the cricket experts? 90 run swing will do it for Pakistan so stop it with your fake calculations u haven't got a clue what your talking about embarrassing fools

NZ 100 all out, Eng chasing down in 10 overs. BD 100 all out, Pakistan chasing down in 10 overs. Pakistan still will fail to overtake NZ on NRR (-0.03 vs -0.1).

 

[Abdullah719]

What he is trying to explain is that this was because only 1 match was played. If they had played 8 match before, WI NRR wouldn't increase by 5.8, it would be averaged out against 9 games and the increase would be much lower

Yep I know, was just pointing out the massive margin of the loss which is the main reason behind the poor NRR.

WI haven't won again and IIRC their NRR is still almost level.

 

[Abdullah]

It's a given we'll lose...

Guptill and Munro are overdue. And you have Williamson and Boult.
I'm clinging on to hope.

Even if England are chasing 280, if Boult gets it swinging, we saw what happened to eng Vs Aus at lord's

 

[hisham_ashraf]

Guptill and Munro are overdue. And you have Williamson and Boult.
I'm clinging on to hope.

Even if England are chasing 280, if Boult gets it swinging, we saw what happened to eng Vs Aus at lord's

Munro was dropped against Australia.That innings against Pakistan might well be his last innings in this world cup.
If NZ do score around 300 batting first then it will be very tough for England to chase that down.

 

[Hus]

This is the most likely scenario. Rest is pretty wishful thinking.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Hilarious to see the usual wrist slitter still swinging for the fences

Pakistan beat England, New Zealand and South Africa by comprehensively out playing them on all 3 days. Pakistan simply out classed them Alhumdullilah.

Sorry if that hurts the PP Wrist Slitting Society (WSS) but that is simply the fact.

Yes we are in an unfortunate position and yes playing poorly against West Indies and India had a lot to do with that. However you know what else had a lot to do with that? Our game vs SL getting rained off and NZ's game vs India getting rained off

Pakistan have been the luckiesr team in this wc.
Got turning track vs nz and nz misread it- sodhi plays and pak were not chasing that total.
Very lucky with umpring decisions vs Afghans too.

If anything - Pakistan has been the most "un-luckiesr" team in this competition.

If rain hadn't ruined the game vs SL we would have 2 points there and if rain hadn't interrupted the NZ vs India game, India would have beaten them and NZ would have even struggled to reach 11 points.

If you take off your WSS goggles I think you will find that NZ have been the "luckiesr team in this wc"

 

[fanofcricket4life]

Hilarious to see the usual wrist slitter still swinging for the fences

Pakistan beat England, New Zealand and South Africa by comprehensively out playing them on all 3 days. Pakistan simply out classed them Alhumdullilah.

Sorry if that hurts the PP Wrist Slitting Society (WSS) but that is simply the fact.

Yes we are in an unfortunate position and yes playing poorly against West Indies and India had a lot to do with that. However you know what else had a lot to do with that? Our game vs SL getting rained off and NZ's game vs India getting rained off



If anything - Pakistan has been the most "un-luckiesr" team in this competition.

If rain hadn't ruined the game vs SL we would have 2 points there and if rain hadn't interrupted the NZ vs India game, India would have beaten them and NZ would have even struggled to reach 11 points.

How are you so sure?

 

[TalhaSyed]

How are you so sure?

The same way Im sure if the NZ vs Ind game went ahead, Ind would have beaten NZ

 

[BakuGM]

Trust me on this - the way Pakistan botched the run chase against Afghanistan and panicked as soon as the situation got tough, India and the likes of Australia would love to face our average team in the semifinal. England is a far, far bigger threat than us.

New Zealand are not a bad team. They are better than us and will beat us 8/10 times and that is how it has panned out between the two sides over the last couple of years.

If any team doesn’t deserve anything out of this World Cup it’s Pakistan. We are ranked 6th, we have played like an associate team for the last two years and we were on a 13 match losing streak coming into the World Cup.

We had the best possible preparation leading into the World Cup and were privileged with a 5 match ODI series vs England, and how did we respond? We got shot for 100 against West Indies in the opening game, who chased the total in 13.4 overs.

We are extremely deluded and the denial is emphatically strong. We cannot come to terms with our mediocrity and neither can we take responsibility for our failures. With this attitude, we will never become an elite team. This rotten mentality is the reason why we have been the poster boys of mediocrity for so long.

With all due respect we are ONLY talking about the World Cup performance where you cannot take into account what happened in bilateral series 3 months - 1 -2 year ago. At the WC Pakistan has been one of the top performer, period. You talk about Afg game but why didn't you criticize India for the same typ of performance? It was a turning pitch and Afg strength is spin bowling so no surprise both Pakistan and India had to fight for the win. I truly believe that winning from the position where Pakistan was builds character and team chemistry giving them confidence going into bigger games.

You say that NZ at WC form will beat PAk 8 out of 10, this is total rubbish. Have you watched NZ play against Pak, Aus and Eng??? You have to be watching a different WC to think NZ is a good team.....

 

[light]

The same way Im sure if the NZ vs Ind game went ahead, Ind would have beaten NZ

Same way we were all sure that ENG was going to Smack SL/PAK to the moon? Nothing is certain till the results have been confirmed.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Same way we were all sure that ENG was going to Smack SL/PAK to the moon? Nothing is certain till the results have been confirmed.

Yup nothing is certain - talk bout stating the obvious - however, what was likely to happen in the absence of rain is there for everyone to see.

Anyone without a personnel bias or agenda and a basic understanding of cricket would be able to tell you that Pakistan and India were favorites for the 2 games which were rained off (vs SL & Ind) therefore both Pak & Ind can consider them selves unlucky.

Look through this thread and you will see the word "luck" being mentioned around 50 times. If people want to talk about luck then nothing is certain, however, the obvious truth is there for everyone to see. That is - everyone who doesn't have their own agenda of wrist slitting and enjoying drowning themselves in self-pity by ranting about how crap what they have is

 

[shahidbhai]

So say NZ cant beat England on wednesday... what margin would we need to beat Bangladesh by to qualify on NRR or is this too dumb of a question right now?

 

[TalhaSyed]

So say NZ cant beat England on wednesday... what margin would we need to beat Bangladesh by to qualify on NRR or is this too dumb of a question right now?

If NZ beat England we simply need to beat Bang to qualify and NRR does not come into it

If Eng however beat NZ then it becomes extremely extremely extremely unlikely for us to qualify since we will need England to beat NZ by 200-250 runs and then we will need to beat Bang by a similar margin to have a chance of pushing our NRR above NZ's

 

[shahidbhai]

If NZ beat England we simply need to beat Bang to qualify and NRR does not come into it

If Eng however beat NZ then it becomes extremely extremely extremely unlikely for us to qualify since we will need England to beat NZ by 200-250 runs and then we will need to beat Bang by a similar margin to have a chance of pushing our NRR above NZ's

Thanks for the information... I have been hearing things on commentary about qualification due to RR and also they had mentioned something about wins? or am I just hearing things..

 

[Visaal-E-Yaar]

So say NZ cant beat England on wednesday... what margin would we need to beat Bangladesh by to qualify on NRR or is this too dumb of a question right now?

Too early. We will see on wednesday.

 

[Oxfordchamp]

Most likely India plays against England again in semifinals..India will be 2nd and England 3rd..

 

[MenInG]

Some calculations to ponder upon....

 

[TalhaSyed]

Thanks for the information... I have been hearing things on commentary about qualification due to RR and also they had mentioned something about wins? or am I just hearing things..

If Eng beats NZ - Pak has to beat Bang by a big enough margin that Pak's run rate ends up above NZ's butt that is extremely unlikely to happen.

If NZ beats Eng - Pak simply need to beat Bang to qualify inshAllah

 

[miandadrules]

Some calculations to ponder upon....


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Seems like a stroll in the park, then.

 

[MenInG]

Seems like a stroll in the park, then.

Don't think I would ever want to stroll in that park!

 

[Kashmiri_Pak_fan]

Some calculations to ponder upon....


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I cant understand this...pls confirm what should be the equation for pak to overtake NZ if pak beat bang and eng beat NZ?

 

[Visaal-E-Yaar]

I cant understand this...pls confirm what should be the equation for pak to overtake NZ if pak beat bang and eng beat NZ?

England bat first score 400 in 50 overs.
NZ 200 in 50 overs.

Pakistan bat first score 450 in 50 overs.
Bangladesh 200 in 50 overs.

Pakistan will qualify.

P. S these are all just assumptions.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Yeah exactly, it's annoying that so many posters here assume NZ would have lost to India (when if that game did go ahead in the grey gloomy conditions on a damp wicket, it would have favoured NZ seamers, and India could have been rolled as they were in the warm up against NZ).

While at the same times these same fans assume Pakistan would have beaten Sri Lanka, which was far from guaranteed either. Sri Lanka proved that by beating England.

Poor analogy

Because India manhandled New Zealand when the last time two teams played a series and that too in New Zealand. India is also a better ranked team than New Zealand. Indian winning the game was an an expected result.

Sri Lanka is ranked lower than Pakistan and the last time the two teams met, SL got whitewashed 5-0. So, Pakistan beating Sri Lanka was also the most likely result.

Sri Lanka also managed to beat India in the Champions Trophy but it does not change the fact that they are still a rubbish team who will lose to top 6 teams 4 out of 5 times.

 

[Majid Khan]

England bat first score 400 in 50 overs.
NZ 200 in 50 overs.

Pakistan bat first score 450 in 50 overs.
Bangladesh 200 in 50 overs.

Pakistan will qualify.

P. S these are all just assumptions.

Pakistan score 450 ? We will need Hafeez to break Rohit Sharma’s highest score of 266 for that to happen.

 

[light]

England bat first score 400 in 50 overs.
NZ 200 in 50 overs.

Pakistan bat first score 450 in 50 overs.
Bangladesh 200 in 50 overs.

Pakistan will qualify.

P. S these are all just assumptions.

Holy cow, well then... Wouldn't that be a fun match to watch

 

[Visaal-E-Yaar]

Pakistan score 450 ? We will need Hafeez to break Rohit Sharma’s highest score of 266 for that to happen.

264, isn't?

 

[zulfiqar]

We can't take over NZ on NRR. It's basically impossible. Some other posters have it correct in here, but in general, it would be beneficial to win by a LOT of runs versus chasing down a target quickly because that's about the only way you can make the changes required for us to take NZ over.

ENG bat first and score 375 and restrict NZ to 150 (win by 225 runs).
PAK bat first and score 375 and restrict BAN to 160 (win by 215 runs).

Pak would be ahead in that scenario.. the likelihood of that happening is close to zero; if their game washes out it's even worse, because ENG's NRR is even higher than NZ. More likely than the scenario above is that India lose their games to BAN (looking to qualify) and SL (looking for pride) by enough runs to bring NRR closer to PAK.

So ultimately, our only reasonable hope is that NZ beats England. The best motivation that NZ could have for this is if Bangladesh beat an Indian team who just tasted their first loss and showed weakness chasing big targets. The reason is that Bangladesh NRR is much better than Pakistan's, primarily due to their convincing victory over WI. In that scenario, NZ will be afraid that if they lose their game to ENG, BAN could defeat PAK and overtake them on NRR.

 

[miandadrules]

Pakistan score 450 ? We will need Hafeez to break Rohit Sharma’s highest score of 266 for that to happen.

It will be like taking candy away from a baby for Hafeez.

Bring on the semis. I’m feeling more confident by the second.

 

[NA]

@ Rad Doc

Answer: History

NZ nearly always lose against Australia and England. Infact they lost all the big games in this wc. Won a tight game against RSA in the last over.

But Nzl did beat Aus in 92

Seriously though, Nzl has a chance if they bat first and Guptil or Munro go crazy. Eng will be in tremendous pressure batting second, Boult and Ferguson can easily dent their chase. If Eng bats first however, they will win 9 out of 10 times against this Nzl side.

 

[zulfiqar]

Things aren't looking good for us boys! The good thing is that NZ will play ENG before our game - so we can kind of watch the game being relaxed if it turns out to be meaningless for us. I do hope that Bangladesh beats India.. in which case at least one team will be fighting for a semi-final berth (first one for BAN!)!

If NZ lose to ENG, I'd like to see Hasnain play too! It was an average WC for us but an abysmal start to the tournament along with a little bit of luck falling NZ's way (i.e. washout v rampant India vs our washout v an out-of-sorts SL) will most likely see us out of the tournament.

Let's see if the kiwis can do a number on ENG against all odds =)

 

[member250]

We can't take over NZ on NRR. It's basically impossible. Some other posters have it correct in here, but in general, it would be beneficial to win by a LOT of runs versus chasing down a target quickly because that's about the only way you can make the changes required for us to take NZ over.

ENG bat first and score 375 and restrict NZ to 150 (win by 225 runs).
PAK bat first and score 375 and restrict BAN to 160 (win by 215 runs).

Pak would be ahead in that scenario.. the likelihood of that happening is close to zero; if their game washes out it's even worse, because ENG's NRR is even higher than NZ. More likely than the scenario above is that India lose their games to BAN (looking to qualify) and SL (looking for pride) by enough runs to bring NRR closer to PAK.

So ultimately, our only reasonable hope is that NZ beats England. The best motivation that NZ could have for this is if Bangladesh beat an Indian team who just tasted their first loss and showed weakness chasing big targets. The reason is that Bangladesh NRR is much better than Pakistan's, primarily due to their convincing victory over WI. In that scenario, NZ will be afraid that if they lose their game to ENG, BAN could defeat PAK and overtake them on NRR.

Just goes to show anyone who seriously believed India lost on purpose make me sick. Anything can happen still, BD is no push over. Under the right conditions they could beat India and Pakistan. Especially Pakistan is more likely to be beaten.

And India can loss last game against Sri Lanka and get DQ. Basically NZ will do their best to win and secure their place in semis. India will go all out against BD and Sri Lanka.

 

[BDfanforever]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION], [MENTION=45836]Ashraful_Rox[/MENTION] Bangladesh need to win at least 1 out of the last two games to make this world cup a success. Otherwise, we will finish below SRL and it will wind up being another disaster.

 

[zulfiqar]

Just goes to show anyone who seriously believed India lost on purpose make me sick. Anything can happen still, BD is no push over. Under the right conditions they could beat India and Pakistan. Especially Pakistan is more likely to be beaten.

And India can loss last game against Sri Lanka and get DQ. Basically NZ will do their best to win and secure their place in semis. India will go all out against BD and Sri Lanka.

I don't believe for a second that India would lose the game on purpose - just like I never believed Misbah lost games on purpose for Pakistan. Also I will always maintain that the 4 teams that qualify will deserve it. So what if a little luck falls your way?

 

[Pakpak]

Just goes to show anyone who seriously believed India lost on purpose make me sick. Anything can happen still, BD is no push over. Under the right conditions they could beat India and Pakistan. Especially Pakistan is more likely to be beaten.

And India can loss last game against Sri Lanka and get DQ. Basically NZ will do their best to win and secure their place in semis. India will go all out against BD and Sri Lanka.

There is a bigger chance of me winning the lottery than India losing to Sri Lanka.

 

[Pakpak]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION], [MENTION=45836]Ashraful_Rox[/MENTION] Bangladesh need to win at least 1 out of the last two games to make this world cup a success. Otherwise, we will finish below SRL and it will wind up being another disaster.

I think after the WC some rebuilding for BD too esp with Tamim etc pushing on 30.

None the less if we go out wouldn't mind seeing BD go on a roll.

 

[CricLegend]

As i said before it will be a PAK v IND final