ICC World Cup 2023: India (273/2) defeat Afghanistan (272/8) by 8 wickets

[Devadwal]

Shreyas please don't hit six as I want king to complete fifty

 

[hitthestump]

Hope India enjoyed their practice match before the weekend.

Poor from the Afghans today.

 

[kron]

India should be depending on points rather than NRR. If we rely on NRR that is trouble.

Well the only team that can really beat India in Asia for odi games is Australia and you guys beat them.

England have a woeful record in India vs india.

Nz usually lose but india seem to have some kind of weird mental issue vs them. But I doubt they can beat India in Asian conditions.

We may or may not trouble India. If we can't get early wickets then we are done for.

I just don't see anyone beating India right now.

If India can get their act together and keep calm under pressure for ko games, they can win it all.

Once it's semis it's anyone's game really. With home support perhaps India has a food chance. I feel more confident with us upsetting India in ko stages rather than group stage. Pressure gets to India's big 3 batsmen usually in those KO stages.

 

[Devadwal]

Another World Cup fifty for king Kohli

 

[Devadwal]

Hope India enjoyed their practice match before the weekend.

Poor from the Afghans today.

Like how Pakistan were Enjoy first two practice match against Netherlands and Sri Lanka before the weekend

 

[VForVendetta]

Tbf this is a flat pitch. The few times we played Afghans it was on a spicier pitch with some help for bowlers.

I agree these bowlers can be clubbed easily with a bit of application.

More than pitch/condition, it's the over defensive dead bat mentality that makes Pak tremble in fear against these three. In the previous match against Ban these guys did nothing, even though the track was helpful & Shakib/Miraz destroyed their batting. Yet they couldn't cause any damage. Pak needs come out with intent, that's all. Even on a slow helpful track they can be taken care of.

 

[kron]

Another World Cup fifty for king Kohli

Nothing compared to the previous game vs Aussies though

2/3 and then played a superb knock. Was dropped but he still had to play his shots. Absolutely brilliant.

Let's see if he can keep his composure in semis and finals. He could go down in history as someone on par if he helps india lift the trophy.

 

[sweto]

Why Rashid not finish his 10 overs
Giving favour to his home country India.
Keeping their runrate up
Typical

 

[jnaveen1980]

Well the only team that can really beat India in Asia for odi games is Australia and you guys beat them.

England have a woeful record in India vs india.

Nz usually lose but india seem to have some kind of weird mental issue vs them. But I doubt they can beat India in Asian conditions.

We may or may not trouble India. If we can't get early wickets then we are done for.

I just don't see anyone beating India right now.

If India can get their act together and keep calm under pressure for ko games, they can win it all.

Once it's semis it's anyone's game really. With home support perhaps India has a food chance. I feel more confident with us upsetting India in ko stages rather than group stage. Pressure gets to India's big 3 batsmen usually in those KO stages.

There is one massive massive weakness in this line up. Top order collapse. One scenario which many teams can capitalize on especially when they chase a reasonably big total. That can flare up any time. It is not that they become poor. They just collectively fail inexplicably.

 

[SportsWarrior]

just realised Naveenul Haq got bought by Indian ipl owners and played IPL and Taskin Ahmed who is miles better, experienced international. Hasnt played IPL yet. Make that make sense.

Taskin is an horrible T20 player. he is only decent in ODIs and even their he averages more than 30. Also, Afg players play a lot in India and have pretty good crowd following. If there are two players with same abilities then obviously franchies will look to take players who are crowd pullers. In this case, Taskin is not even a good bowler.

 

[kron]

There is one massive massive weakness in this line up. Top order collapse. One scenario which many teams can capitalize on especially when they chase a reasonably big total. That can flare up any time. It is not that they become poor. They just collectively fail inexplicably.

Yea weird one this india team

But they showed steel and resolve vs Aussies.

Tbf not many teams can recover from 2/3. It's just not possible.

India just need to be smart.

 

[Srinath_cricket]

Iyer has weakness against bouncers directed at his ribs. Apart from that he has no holes. He can play pace and bounce away from his body. Just not directed at his body.

Similar issue with kishan.

If he works on his pull this guy could be a very good player.

Problem with Shreyas is he cannot let the bowler have his say. Against express pace bowlers who bowl pinpoint at his weak spot while he's not set yet, he should give them respect and be bit circumspect. Even if he wants to get a move on he needs to roll his wrists and keep the ball down.

But he just cannot hold himself from having a go, as if getting annoyed at the bowler for nibbling at his weak spot.

 

[Devadwal]

Now we are no. 2 in the point table just behind NZ who have superior NRR

 

[jnaveen1980]

Shubman Gill missed out on a 100 here. In current form he would have pulverized this bowling

 

[FearlessRoar]

 

[SportsWarrior]

Shubman Gill missed out on a 100 here. In current form he would have pulverized this bowling

he probably won't play against Pakistan.. I think that is a good move. give him time to fully recover. Even a loss against Pak is not a big deal for India. They should still be able to make it to the Semis. He can join after Pak and BD matches. That will give him 10 more days of rest without much affecting Indian team performance. It may also be better for India with a left hander on the top against Shaheen and co.

 

[FearlessRoar]

 

[mikeypbadana86]

There is one massive massive weakness in this line up. Top order collapse. One scenario which many teams can capitalize on especially when they chase a reasonably big total. That can flare up any time. It is not that they become poor. They just collectively fail inexplicably.

Nothing unusual unless the team fails to win. 1996 semis srilanka were 2 down in first over in semis . 1996 semis srilanka 30 odd for 2 in final.

2011 World Cup final India 30 odd for 2 in final.

2019 worldcup semis gives an impress of Indias "any time top order collapse feel" . The pitch was damp and under covers overnight. Its how rishab/pandya threw it away with dhoni playing a tuk tuk

 

[Devadwal]

he probably won't play against Pakistan.. I think that is a good move. give him time to fully recover. Even a loss against Pak is not a big deal for India. They should still be able to make it to the Semis. He can join after Pak and BD matches. That will give him 10 more days of rest without much affecting Indian team performance. It may also be better for India with a left hander on the top against Shaheen and co.

Gill is much need for later part of the world cup including knockout game .so we need full fit Gill even if he take 10 more days

 

[jnaveen1980]

Nothing unusual unless the team fails to win. 1996 semis srilanka were 2 down in first over in semis . 1996 semis srilanka 30 odd for 2 in final.

2011 World Cup final India 30 odd for 2 in final.

2019 worldcup semis gives an impress of Indias "any time top order collapse feel" . The pitch was damp and under covers overnight. Its how rishab/pandya threw it away with dhoni playing a tuk tuk

30 for 2 is not the same as 5/3 7/3 20/3

 

[Firebat]

This will be done in 80 overs.

I was only 5 off

 

[hassan918]

Rohit's magical century guides India to second World Cup triumph​

The hosts reached the 273-run target with 15 overs to spare, with their skipper re-writing the history books. His seventh Cricket World Cup hundred put him past compatriot Sachin Tendulkar's total of six and also put him with David Warner as the equal-fastest players to reach 1000 Cricket World Cup runs by innings batted (19).

Opening the batting, the skipper blazed 131 from just 84 balls, hitting 21 boundaries as opposite number Hashmatullah Shahidi struggled to come up with a solution. It was the fastest century for an Indian batter in Cricket World Cup history, beating out legend Kapil Dev, who reached a century in 72 balls against Zimbabwe in 1983.

Rohit eventually fell to Rashid Khan who also claimed Afghanistan's other wicket, though India cruised to their victory total with ease as Virat Kohli (55*) and Shreyas Iyer (25*) ensured a strong net run rate-boosting win.

India made a fiery start in their chase, with the skipper reaching his hundred in the 18th over, as India looked to close the game early. The Afghans have were largely bereft of answers outside of Rashid, who was deployed late in Afghanistan's efforts by his lofty standards.

After seeing off the first couple of overs, Rohit unleashed his belligerence. He took a boundary off Fazalhaq Farooqi and then didn't look back.

In the eighth over of the innings, he brought up his half-century in the eight over, off merely 30 balls. He also hit his third six off the fifth ball of that over. This helped him reach 554 sixes in international cricket. He became the batter with the most sixes across formats.

India were already going close to nine and a half by the end of first Powerplay. Rohit moved to 76, while his partner, Ishan Kishan, was unbeaten on 11.

Earlier, Afghanistan skipper Hashmatullah won the toss and opted to bat first in Delhi. Opposite number Rohit Sharma mentioned at the toss he was happy to field, factoring in dew and of the belief the wicket would not prove any more difficult to bat on.

Afghanistan were thwarted in their innings, only adding 61 in the final 10 overs, around a similar rate as their middle-over period, in no small part to Shahidi and Azmat Omarzai's 121-run partnership.

Passing fifty in spite of losing Azmatullah Omarzai for 62 of his own, the captain helped Afghanistan pass the 200-run mark inside 40 overs, though a flurry of wickets fell as the underdogs tried to up the ante.

After Najibullah Zadran and Mohammad Nabi fell cheaply, Rashid Khan showed his death-over prowess with a flurry of boundaries, though fell in the 49th over for Jasprit Bumrah's fourth wicket.

With the arrival of India spinners, Afghanistan's scoring rate dipped. It was in the 25th over Omarzai hit two sixes against Kuldeep Yadav to provide the boost.

While Afghanistan went with the same XI that featured in Dharamsala against Bangladesh, India brought in Shardul in place of Ravichandran Ashwin.

India are in fourth spot on the Cricket World Cup points table, with Afghanistan in ninth place.

Rohit's magical century guides India to second World Cup triumph

India have joined New Zealand and Pakistan at the top of the ICC Men's Cricket World Cup 2023 table, breezing to an eight-wicket win over Afghanistan at the Arun Jaitley Stadium thanks in large part to Rohit Sharma's record knock.

www.cricketworldcup.com

 

[LegendAli]

he probably won't play against Pakistan.. I think that is a good move. give him time to fully recover. Even a loss against Pak is not a big deal for India. They should still be able to make it to the Semis. He can join after Pak and BD matches. That will give him 10 more days of rest without much affecting Indian team performance. It may also be better for India with a left hander on the top against Shaheen and co.

SportsWarrior is the only person we've seen on PakPassion who says India losing to Pak is no big deal.

 

[SportsWarrior]

SportsWarrior is the only person we've seen on PakPassion who says India losing to Pak is no big deal.

i will be upset if we lose the match, but losing match won't stop India from getting into semis. More importantly it may give them the kick in the back that they need .. Also, a league match which we can afford to lose is not where you want to bring your young opener recovering from Dengue back into the team. Six teams are competitive and will beat each other. So any team can afford to lose up to three matches and still get into semis with good NRR. India also plays the last match against a weak team and will know exactly what to do to get into semis if it come to NRR. India also has already beaten a big team so they can afford to lose to Pak. So i am not worried about Pak match

 

[jnaveen1980]

i will be upset if we lose the match, but losing match won't stop India from getting into semis. More importantly it may give them the kick in the back that they need .. Also, a league match which we can afford to lose is not where you want to bring your young opener recovering from Dengue back into the team. Six teams are competitive and will beat each other. So any team can afford to lose up to three matches and still get into semis with good NRR. India also plays the last match against a weak team and will know exactly what to do to get into semis if it come to NRR. India also has already beaten a big team so they can afford to lose to Pak. So i am not worried about Pak match

No option to lose any match. Win as many as you can upfront. Towards business end we never know what is in store. Rain could play spoil sport in a minnow match.

 

[rickroll]

Nothing unusual unless the team fails to win. 1996 semis srilanka were 2 down in first over in semis . 1996 semis srilanka 30 odd for 2 in final.

2011 World Cup final India 30 odd for 2 in final.

2019 worldcup semis gives an impress of Indias "any time top order collapse feel" . The pitch was damp and under covers overnight. Its how rishab/pandya threw it away with dhoni playing a tuk tuk

Not an accurate comparison. 1996 SL batting line up was deep with most of the batsmen in peak form. 2011 Indian middle order had the likes of Kohli, Dhoni, Yuvraj, and Raina all of whom were also in great form. I don't see Shreyas Iyer or Jadeja partnering with KL Rahul (assuming KL continues his good form) if India get to 20/3 to chase a 300+ score the way Dhoni/Yuvraj/Raina could do.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I think we gave away more runs than we should have. Good thing our batters gave a clinical batting display with kaptaan Hitman hitting from the front. Absolute demolition job by our kaptaan.

 

[mominsaigol]

We need a fighter captain. Who is it in our team?

Shadab but shadab performance is average so no.

Rauf? But rauf is a bit of a brute so no.

Rizwan perhaps but he can be a bit timid.

Shafique maybe. He is mentally tough.

Rizzu will be made the next captain considering his Contract A Status. It is clear he'll be the next one.

Personally though if you want an actual captain it should be Muhammad haris, The guy led well in the emerging acc Asia cup.

What Pakistan needs is to avoid their mistakes that they've been doing since 2011, which is use the so called experience excuse, not testing players and then hoping for new blood miracles.

In 2015 sarfi showed he was inform in the Australian series but he was sidelined for nasir jamshed because of experience even though jamshed was out of form for 2 years since 2013 CT.

In 2017 fakhar had only 2 games at no 4, and despite having the chance of being tested for atleast 8 odi's before his ct endeavour amd being in Red hot form in domestic he was sidelined and Ahmed shehzad who was failing nonstop since 2015 was brought in because of experience, and again it backfired and fakhar came strong.

In 2023 we did the same mistake, Saud and Abdullah are your 2 best test players in Sri Lankan test, Tayyab is your leading scorer in Asia cup, saim ayub is in red hot form, Babar had the opportunity to give these lads games since the NZ 2nd string series but instead he preferred agha and fakhar who have been out of form for over 10+ games because of that experience nonsense clause.

Rizzu and Babar use to be garbage in 2015 to 2016, their class after being given extended runs.

Rather them hoping for last minute miracles and constantly relying on sensing out of form players hoping they'll come good in world cup stages,

Why not play the entire acc emerging Asia cup team? They'll fail for a while like how 2nd string nZ failed but we'll cultivate players?

Let haris who captained with aggression be captain, Let rizzu be the senior player who guides the 2nd as the 2nd hand and let saim ayub, Omair bin aziz , Abdullah shaifiq, Saud Shakeel, Tayyab tahir, Ihsanullah, Abass afridi etc, be given really long hauks so they can become world class by 2027?

Continuing with fakhar and imam for 5 years with zero opening rotation is what created the opening dilemma that were facing in the first place.

Choose and select players on form, not on experience. This so called selecting out of form players because they are experienced in world cup stages is what creates problems, How many times will you rely on newbie miracles? This is the 3rd time now.

Imagine of India did that with dhawan lol, removing Gill and selecting dhawan even though dhawan has fizzled out but because dhawan has experience he gets to play.

The lack of experience nonsense argument needs to end, You guys have seen how it has backfired since 2015 lol.

 

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[Mockingbird]

i will be upset if we lose the match, but losing match won't stop India from getting into semis. More importantly it may give them the kick in the back that they need .. Also, a league match which we can afford to lose is not where you want to bring your young opener recovering from Dengue back into the team. Six teams are competitive and will beat each other. So any team can afford to lose up to three matches and still get into semis with good NRR. India also plays the last match against a weak team and will know exactly what to do to get into semis if it come to NRR. India also has already beaten a big team so they can afford to lose to Pak. So i am not worried about Pak match

While I agree with you theoretically, 8-0 is on the line here. And that matters equally as well as any WC trophy

 

[kron]

Rizzu will be made the next captain considering his Contract A Status. It is clear he'll be the next one.

Personally though if you want an actual captain it should be Muhammad haris, The guy led well in the emerging acc Asia cup.

What Pakistan needs is to avoid their mistakes that they've been doing since 2011, which is use the so called experience excuse, not testing players and then hoping for new blood miracles.

In 2015 sarfi showed he was inform in the Australian series but he was sidelined for nasir jamshed because of experience even though jamshed was out of form for 2 years since 2013 CT.

In 2017 fakhar had only 2 games at no 4, and despite having the chance of being tested for atleast 8 odi's before his ct endeavour amd being in Red hot form in domestic he was sidelined and Ahmed shehzad who was failing nonstop since 2015 was brought in because of experience, and again it backfired and fakhar came strong.

In 2023 we did the same mistake, Saud and Abdullah are your 2 best test players in Sri Lankan test, Tayyab is your leading scorer in Asia cup, saim ayub is in red hot form, Babar had the opportunity to give these lads games since the NZ 2nd string series but instead he preferred agha and fakhar who have been out of form for over 10+ games because of that experience nonsense clause.

Rizzu and Babar use to be garbage in 2015 to 2016, their class after being given extended runs.

Rather them hoping for last minute miracles and constantly relying on sensing out of form players hoping they'll come good in world cup stages,

Why not play the entire acc emerging Asia cup team? They'll fail for a while like how 2nd string nZ failed but we'll cultivate players?

Let haris who captained with aggression be captain, Let rizzu be the senior player who guides the 2nd as the 2nd hand and let saim ayub, Omair bin aziz , Abdullah shaifiq, Saud Shakeel, Tayyab tahir, Ihsanullah, Abass afridi etc, be given really long hauks so they can become world class by 2027?

Continuing with fakhar and imam for 5 years with zero opening rotation is what created the opening dilemma that were facing in the first place.

Choose and select players on form, not on experience. This so called selecting out of form players because they are experienced in world cup stages is what creates problems, How many times will you rely on newbie miracles? This is the 3rd time now.

Imagine of India did that with dhawan lol, removing Gill and selecting dhawan even though dhawan has fizzled out but because dhawan has experience he gets to play.

The lack of experience nonsense argument needs to end, You guys have seen how it has backfired since 2015 lol.

Yea until we change this whole mindset about picking experience over merit, it will be hard to win titles.
Whole idea is flawed really. Seniority etc might work in a bank or government job but this is a sport. People want to see winners and be entertained. We need to pick players based on merit firstly.

We only do that with bowlers. With batting it'd all up to great babar azam who choose as per his whim. He helps his buddies, offers favours etc.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Their strength is India's strength too. India does not succumb to Mujeeb and Rashid easily. Pakistan on the other hand gives loads of wicket to Afghan spinners.

India is possibly the best team against spin in LOIs currently. Plus the likes of Rashid, Mujeeb and Nabi have been featuring in IPL for over 6 years and Indian batters are very familiar with them. But it's the meekness and body language of Afg against India that isn't a good look. Afg are always turbo charged against Pak but against India they seem scared.
Although their batting yesterday was possibly their best against India till now.

 

[mominsaigol]

Yea until we change this whole mindset about picking experience over merit, it will be hard to win titles.
Whole idea is flawed really. Seniority etc might work in a bank or government job but this is a sport. People want to see winners and be entertained. We need to pick players based on merit firstly.

We only do that with bowlers. With batting it'd all up to great babar azam who choose as per his whim. He helps his buddies, offers favours etc.

The best companies do not care about experience, atleast not in Australia.

If you apply to be a senior graphic designer or Senior programmer then your age doesn't matter. You better be on the level of a senior to be considered. The world is evolving, Only Pakistan isn't.

The whole nepotism = Networking is nonsense.

Networking can your foot in the door yes, but if I had networks for big companies but I was doing my job poorly, they'd fire me, Networking is only for getting noticed and this applies in BCCI and SENA cricket boards as well.

Nepotism is when you're doing your job poorly but you're in regardless. Which is what is happening with sheddy, Nawaz, Imam etc.

 

[mominsaigol]

Technically you can consider kohli's inclusion as networking. He had a very influential father and had a massive head start on learning cricket. Despite all his father's claims on not wanting kohli to have unfair advantages over others, if you follow his life story, you'll know that isn't the case.

But no one in their right mind would ever claim kohli is nepotism, no one ever calls kohli a parchi lol

Imam has an even more influential uncle lol, and someone who pulls 100x more strings then Kohli's father ever did. But everyone calls him a parchi

^^ Perfect way to sum up networking vs nepotism in a nutshell.

 

[Mockingbird]

Technically you can consider kohli's inclusion as networking. He had a very influential father and had a massive head start on learning cricket. Despite all his father's claims on not wanting kohli to have unfair advantages over others, if you follow his life story, you'll know that isn't the case.

But no one in their right mind would ever claim kohli is nepotism, no one ever calls kohli a parchi lol

Imam has an even more influential uncle lol, and someone who pulls 100x more strings then Kohli's father ever did. But everyone calls him a parchi

^^ Perfect way to sum up networking vs nepotism in a nutshell.

Wasn’t Kohli’s father a small time lawyer? He had a very middle class upbringing.

 

[Vikram1989]

Wasn’t Kohli’s father a small time lawyer? He had a very middle class upbringing.

His father made him to stay at the club(which was not selecting him for under14)to defeat the nepotism. So kohli have to wait for 1 year to get in to same club under 15 team later.

 

[kron]

Technically you can consider kohli's inclusion as networking. He had a very influential father and had a massive head start on learning cricket. Despite all his father's claims on not wanting kohli to have unfair advantages over others, if you follow his life story, you'll know that isn't the case.

But no one in their right mind would ever claim kohli is nepotism, no one ever calls kohli a parchi lol

Imam has an even more influential uncle lol, and someone who pulls 100x more strings then Kohli's father ever did. But everyone calls him a parchi

^^ Perfect way to sum up networking vs nepotism in a nutshell.

Kohli benefited from having a father who had access to the right network. He also worked hard on his own accord. He is extremely fit and hard working. Similar to Cristiano ronaldo in a sense.

Talent alone will never get you far. Needs to be supplemented with hard work. Unfortunately not everyone has access to such networks and I am certain many talented players may have missed out. I agree with the theory that you need to put yourselves out there to get noticed.
As I have grown older though I have realised so many people are capable of so much more and can certainly achieve anything if they put their heart and soul into something they love. Dedication, hard work, perseverance and talent. It's a combination of all.

Some people have natural talent which requires them to work less harder than others for a particular sport or activity. That talent too was probably developed while they were young due to good support from parents who pushed them in the right direction.

In my uni days, there was this kid who was a real whizz with maths. I always wondered why he was so good and then he told me how his parents pushed him to study higher level maths while he was still in primary school. They made him take extra coaching lessons etc. In saying that he lacks the social skills as he over developed his technical knowledge. So I guess it's a matter of perspective.

99 % of the people have to work hard to achieve what they want to. Many just lack the mental strength to persevere through hardships.

The 1% just may be born geniuses but even then such geniuses are unearthed due to their upbringing and their propensity for learning and educating themselves from a very young age. Natural curiosity.

 

[mominsaigol]

Kohli benefited from having a father who had access to the right network. He also worked hard on his own accord. He is extremely fit and hard working. Similar to Cristiano ronaldo in a sense.

Talent alone will never get you far. Needs to be supplemented with hard work. Unfortunately not everyone has access to such networks and I am certain many talented players may have missed out. I agree with the theory that you need to put yourselves out there to get noticed.
As I have grown older though I have realised so many people are capable of so much more and can certainly achieve anything if they put their heart and soul into something they love. Dedication, hard work, perseverance and talent. It's a combination of all.

Some people have natural talent which requires them to work less harder than others for a particular sport or activity. That talent too was probably developed while they were young due to good support from parents who pushed them in the right direction.

In my uni days, there was this kid who was a real whizz with maths. I always wondered why he was so good and then he told me how his parents pushed him to study higher level maths while he was still in primary school. They made him take extra coaching lessons etc. In saying that he lacks the social skills as he over developed his technical knowledge. So I guess it's a matter of perspective.

99 % of the people have to work hard to achieve what they want to. Many just lack the mental strength to persevere through hardships.

The 1% just may be born geniuses but even then such geniuses are unearthed due to their upbringing and their propensity for learning and educating themselves from a very young age. Natural curiosity.

The 99% can be hardworking and super talented but they don't possess the right networks or are not born with unfair advantages.

Talent + Hard work needs to meet opportunity for success. Sadly opportunity is luck based an entirely beyond your control since opportunity is entirely network and influence and location based.

The 1% Have all 3.

For example Bill Gates is one heck of a ceo and it would be really hard for someone to take a well off private limited company to the massive conglomerate it is today, However he still has the unfair advantage of having Paul Allen his childhood create Microsoft and turn it into a private limited company + having an influential mother who got Microsoft an IBM partnership.

He didn't join Microsoft and leave harvard until it was already built and in business.

So while he was one heck of a ceo and all time ceo great, it doesn't change the fact that his unfair advantage was automatically being given a private limited company + having automatic IBM connections.

The hard work and talent part is the ceo and business knowledge, the opportunity part is auto having connections + A private limited company.

Similarly mark zuckerburg is lucky to recieve coding training since he was 10 years old in an era where not alot of people knew how to code since programs were new and even universities focused on software engineering rather then programming. He is also lucky to have Adam Di amgelo as his childhood friend who came from an influential family and is the one who actually expanded Facebook from harvard all the way to yake and then all the way to Cambridge even.

Again he is one killer CEO and one heck of a genius but it doesn't change the fact that his opportunity and unfair advantage is that he was automatically born to learn coding and he had one friend who pretty much handled all his early marketing and expansion before others came into the mix.

Same logic with virat, his father saw he's into cricket and decided from an early age of 8, to pretty much accelerate him into the field, despite his father wanting merit, it doesn't change the fact that he made sure to hire the best coaches and give virat the best facilities so virat clearly had an unfair advantage.

Difference with virat and imam( who's born into a cricket family) is that virat is not only naturally more gifted and has a superior affinity but he's 100x more hard working then imam.

Both imam and virat have had unfair advantages, but one has the superior talent + Hard work to accompany it. Imam lacks 2 out of 3.

Thats the difference.

 

[Mockingbird]

No honestly, all I know about his father was that he was a criminal lawyer practicing in the local court. He lived in West Delhi which is a very middle class area. How was he well connected and how is Kohli a product of nepotism?

AFAIK, only Saurav Ganguly and maybe Yuvraj Singh were from well connected families.

 

[mominsaigol]

No honestly, all I know about his father was that he was a criminal lawyer practicing in the local court. He lived in West Delhi which is a very middle class area. How was he well connected and how is Kohli a product of nepotism?

AFAIK, only Saurav Ganguly and maybe Yuvraj Singh were from well connected families.

When did I say kohli was nepotism?

Nepotism is when networking meets bias and unfair standards of selection lol.

Kohli is just networking.

As for the kohli, His father prem sharma was a very very influential criminal lawyer and was very well connected. He saw his son having an affinity for cricket at the age of 3 and decided that he should meet rajkumar sharma and get coached at a proper professional cricket academy, because his father decided that kohli should go into cricket and not play gully cricket like most of us normies do lol.

He then got many calls to have his son enrolled in proper influential clubs and fast track his way to under 13 international cricket and domestic but his dad refused because he felt that it would be nepotism and he didn't want his son to enter cricket via nepotism.

After kohli proved his worth, his dad enrolled him in influential clubs and from their it's all kohli's own hard work.

But it is an unfair advantage. Most people do not have a dad who looks at a 3 year old kid and decides yup, time to fast track him into professional cricket.

99% of dad's would have max just have their children play gully cricket and some minor school competitions facing F tier bowlers and then straight off to university and then a job in corporate sector.

As I said

Talent + Hard work + Opportunity determines success and btw i am not disrespecting kohli, I admire kohli but the ultra succeaful have all 3 things.

In kohli's case

Talent = Having the affinity for cricket since the tender age of 3

Hard work= Daily practise, Building a routine, building a strong diet, making sure to overcome any weakness, always working hard to Master every stroke + front foot + backfoot play.

Opportunity: Having one heck of daddy.

 

[Mockingbird]

When did I say kohli was nepotism?

Nepotism is when networking meets bias and unfair standards of selection lol.

Kohli is just networking.

As for the kohli, His father prem sharma was a very very influential criminal lawyer and was very well connected. He saw his son having an affinity for cricket at the age of 3 and decided that he should meet rajkumar sharma and get coached at a proper professional cricket academy, because his father decided that kohli should go into cricket and not play gully cricket like most of us normies do lol.

He then got many calls to have his son enrolled in proper influential clubs and fast track his way to under 13 international cricket and domestic but his dad refused because he felt that it would be nepotism and he didn't want his son to enter cricket via nepotism.

After kohli proved his worth, his dad enrolled him in influential clubs and from their it's all kohli's own hard work.

But it is an unfair advantage. Most people do not have a dad who looks at a 3 year old kid and decides yup, time to fast track him into professional cricket.

99% of dad's would have max just have their children play gully cricket and some minor school competitions facing F tier bowlers and then straight off to university and then a job in corporate sector.

As I said

Talent + Hard work + Opportunity determines success and btw i am not disrespecting kohli, I admire kohli but the ultra succeaful have all 3 things.

In kohli's case

Talent = Having the affinity for cricket since the tender age of 3

Hard work= Daily practise, Building a routine, building a strong diet, making sure to overcome any weakness, always working hard to Master every stroke + front foot + backfoot play.

Opportunity: Having one heck of daddy.

I don’t know if that’s an unfair advantage - it’s just a parent recognizing a child’s potential and getting extra coaching for his kid, just like other child prodigies in other sports like Chess, Tennis or Golfing or even in something like spelling bees are discovered. Even Rohit Sharma’s parents recognized his potential and sent him to live with his grandparents so that he can pursue sports and so did Tendulkar’s parents who made him switch schools so that he can pursue cricket under famed coach Ramakant Achrekar. Doesn’t mean that they gave them an unfair advantage, it just means that they recognized the potential of their child.

The way you worded it i thought that Kohli probably had connections similar to Arjun Tendulkar or Rohan Gavaskar, lol!

 

[mominsaigol]

I don’t know if that’s an unfair advantage - it’s just a parent recognizing a child’s potential and getting extra coaching for his kid, just like other child prodigies in other sports like Chess, Tennis or Golfing or even in something like spelling bees are discovered. Even Rohit Sharma’s parents recognized his potential and sent him to live with his grandparents so that he can pursue sports and so did Tendulkar’s parents who made him switch schools so that he can pursue cricket under famed coach Ramakant Achrekar. Doesn’t mean that they gave them an unfair advantage, it just means that they recognized the potential of their child.

The way you worded it i thought that Kohli probably had connections similar to Arjun Tendulkar or Rohan Gavaskar, lol!

That is 100% an unfair advantage. Having a parent who literally gives you access to proper coaching and training facilities + actual influential clubs, clubs in which of you perform you get selected at international level is one of the biggest unfair advantages that you can have.

Unfair advantage isn't a bad thing. Everyone on this planet has an unfair advantages when it comes to income, Location, parents, luck or really anything outside of your control. Their isn't a single person who doesn't have an unfair advantage.

I have an unfair advantage over lower class pakistani chaiwala's, because I was born in a family that cam speak English, and afford foreign education and send me to a well developed country in Australia so with these advantages I'm defo automatically going to be more succesful then a dude who is born in a lower developed country into a lower class family that can't speak English.

The person who's the chaiwala might have some unrecognised talent, like maybe he's an excellent street fighter but unless he has the unfair advantage of luck or being at the right place at the right time he ain't going to more succesful then I am since I just have the family who have Accelerated me lol.

Their are dozens of dozens of young cricketers who have an affinity for cricket since the age of 3 and are just as hard working and talented as kohli but they won't even make it to domestic level because they either have parents who recognised their potential but didn't have the money or connections to get them Into the field professionally, or the parents are rich but are of the same mould as the 99% which is go to school, get a job yada yada.

What you described having an influential parent as a support mechanism is a massive massive unfair advantage pertaining to kohli. If kohli wasn't born in India and was born in Kenya, or if he had a moron father or had he been born poor with zero access to any cricket facilities he wouldn't be here today.

That's life in general, no one is born on an equal footing, us being on this forumn means we have access to Internet and likely have always had access to it. Do you know how many children are born into families with no access to the Internet? With no fault of their own, companies don't exactly hire these types of people lol.

^^ That's an example of unfair advantages lol. Just be grateful we are luckier then others and kohli had one killer father, because if it wasn't for the dad, this generation would have never witnessed the birth of the greatest cricketer in the past decade or so.

 

[BouncerGuy]

The authority with which India has chased that target is worth respect. Total domination. Rashid was again neutralized.

 

[Mockingbird]

That is 100% an unfair advantage. Having a parent who literally gives you access to proper coaching and training facilities + actual influential clubs, clubs in which of you perform you get selected at international level is one of the biggest unfair advantages that you can have.

Unfair advantage isn't a bad thing. Everyone on this planet has an unfair advantages when it comes to income, Location, parents, luck or really anything outside of your control. Their isn't a single person who doesn't have an unfair advantage.

I have an unfair advantage over lower class pakistani chaiwala's, because I was born in a family that cam speak English, and afford foreign education and send me to a well developed country in Australia so with these advantages I'm defo automatically going to be more succesful then a dude who is born in a lower developed country into a lower class family that can't speak English.

The person who's the chaiwala might have some unrecognised talent, like maybe he's an excellent street fighter but unless he has the unfair advantage of luck or being at the right place at the right time he ain't going to more succesful then I am since I just have the family who have Accelerated me lol.

Their are dozens of dozens of young cricketers who have an affinity for cricket since the age of 3 and are just as hard working and talented as kohli but they won't even make it to domestic level because they either have parents who recognised their potential but didn't have the money or connections to get them Into the field professionally, or the parents are rich but are of the same mould as the 99% which is go to school, get a job yada yada.

What you described having an influential parent as a support mechanism is a massive massive unfair advantage pertaining to kohli. If kohli wasn't born in India and was born in Kenya, or if he had a moron father or had he been born poor with zero access to any cricket facilities he wouldn't be here today.

That's life in general, no one is born on an equal footing, us being on this forumn means we have access to Internet and likely have always had access to it. Do you know how many children are born into families with no access to the Internet? With no fault of their own, companies don't exactly hire these types of people lol.

^^ That's an example of unfair advantages lol. Just be grateful we are luckier then others and kohli had one killer father, because if it wasn't for the dad, this generation would have never witnessed the birth of the greatest cricketer in the past decade or so.

Are you a hard core socialist, because you surely sound like one… Just to single out Kohli as having an unfair advantage for having a middle class , educated parent who recognised his potential is kinda bizarre - because practically every middle class parent in India invests in their kid in some similar way or another. Yes Kohli went to a cricket coach, but you dont what kinda financial struggles or sacrifices his or any other sportsman families went through to support that decision. I know for a fact that Rohit Sharma came from an extremely poor family, but his parents sent him to his grandparents and barely made their own ends met so that Rohit can get some coaching. Yashaswi Jaiswal’s poor parents sent him to live with his coach - he sold Pani puris to make some money to buy cricketing gear. I wouldn’t call that unfair advantage, I would call it justifying the faith of their parents.

And Virat Kohli didn’t become a cricketer because of his coaching, he was discovered because he had something in him that set him apart from others. Millions of kids play sports or even get coaching, but only one becomes a Kohli or a Djokovic or a Messi. That’s sheer talent and hard work, not unfair advantage.

 

[mominsaigol]

Are you a hard core socialist, because you surely sound like one… Just to single out Kohli as having an unfair advantage for having a middle class , educated parent who recognised his potential is kinda bizarre - because practically every middle class parent in India invests in their kid in some similar way or another. Yes Kohli went to a cricket coach, but you dont what kinda financial struggles or sacrifices his or any other sportsman families went through to support that decision. I know for a fact that Rohit Sharma came from an extremely poor family, but his parents sent him to his grandparents and barely made their own ends met so that Rohit can get some coaching. Yashaswi Jaiswal’s poor parents sent him to live with his coach - he sold Pani puris to make some money to buy cricketing gear. I wouldn’t call that unfair advantage, I would call it justifying the faith of their parents.

And Virat Kohli didn’t become a cricketer because of his coaching, he was discovered because he had something in him that set him apart from others. Millions of kids play sports or even get coaching, but only one becomes a Kohli or a Djokovic or a Messi. That’s sheer talent and hard work, not unfair advantage.

what are you even arguing? How many times must I state

Talent + hard work + opportunity is what leads someone to success.

When did I say talent and hard work don't play a part and that any of these lads are silver Spooners.

Those sacrifices are still opportunities being provided that not many Indian parents provide. Then those opportunities get supplemented by hard work and talent.

Their isn't anyone who has been ultra succesful without being provided an opportunity.

Talent + hard work + opportunity needs to meet to be ultra succeaful, that opportunity itself is the unfair advantage.

"I wouldn't call it unfair advantage, I'd call that justifying the faith of parents"

^^ The parents are the one who provided the unfair advantage.

Bro what on earth are you on about.

Every person on this planet who's been ultra succesful are the people who have had talent + hard work + opportunity. It's literally the foundation of success.

It doesn't change the fact that kohli had location + luck + parents go his way, which was supplemented with hard work and talent.

When on earth did I say kohli became great because of coaching? He always had the talent, the opportunity was provided because his parents wanted him to actually get professional training by someone who could bring that inbuilt talent to fruition..

That wouldn't have happened of his dad decided to stick him to school or gully cricket. .

I think you're viewing the word unfair advantage as a bad thing lol, everyone has an unfair advantage in some category over others, I didn't single anyone out.

You chatting with me rn gives you an unfair advantage because you were likely born to a family who could afford the Internet over someone who was poor and had to work 2x just to get access to the Internet.

Kohli is super talented, but he's had unfair advantages of getting the best of everything but he made use of it. Whereas imam ul haq didn't.

The whole post was made about that before you took it out of topic for some reason thinking I'm dissing kohli when I'm respecting him beyond belief lol. Weird logic from you lol.

 

[latecut]

Opportunity does not just mean having an influential daddy, it also mean being born in the right country at the right time.