Devadwal
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Shreyas please don't hit six as I want king to complete fifty
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Well the only team that can really beat India in Asia for odi games is Australia and you guys beat them.India should be depending on points rather than NRR. If we rely on NRR that is trouble.
Like how Pakistan were Enjoy first two practice match against Netherlands and Sri Lanka before the weekendHope India enjoyed their practice match before the weekend.
Poor from the Afghans today.
More than pitch/condition, it's the over defensive dead bat mentality that makes Pak tremble in fear against these three. In the previous match against Ban these guys did nothing, even though the track was helpful & Shakib/Miraz destroyed their batting. Yet they couldn't cause any damage. Pak needs come out with intent, that's all. Even on a slow helpful track they can be taken care of.Tbf this is a flat pitch. The few times we played Afghans it was on a spicier pitch with some help for bowlers.
I agree these bowlers can be clubbed easily with a bit of application.
Nothing compared to the previous game vs Aussies thoughAnother World Cup fifty for king Kohli
Well the only team that can really beat India in Asia for odi games is Australia and you guys beat them.
England have a woeful record in India vs india.
Nz usually lose but india seem to have some kind of weird mental issue vs them. But I doubt they can beat India in Asian conditions.
We may or may not trouble India. If we can't get early wickets then we are done for.
I just don't see anyone beating India right now.
If India can get their act together and keep calm under pressure for ko games, they can win it all.
Once it's semis it's anyone's game really. With home support perhaps India has a food chance. I feel more confident with us upsetting India in ko stages rather than group stage. Pressure gets to India's big 3 batsmen usually in those KO stages.
Taskin is an horrible T20 player. he is only decent in ODIs and even their he averages more than 30. Also, Afg players play a lot in India and have pretty good crowd following. If there are two players with same abilities then obviously franchies will look to take players who are crowd pullers. In this case, Taskin is not even a good bowler.just realised Naveenul Haq got bought by Indian ipl owners and played IPL and Taskin Ahmed who is miles better, experienced international. Hasnt played IPL yet. Make that make sense.
Yea weird one this india teamThere is one massive massive weakness in this line up. Top order collapse. One scenario which many teams can capitalize on especially when they chase a reasonably big total. That can flare up any time. It is not that they become poor. They just collectively fail inexplicably.
Problem with Shreyas is he cannot let the bowler have his say. Against express pace bowlers who bowl pinpoint at his weak spot while he's not set yet, he should give them respect and be bit circumspect. Even if he wants to get a move on he needs to roll his wrists and keep the ball down.Iyer has weakness against bouncers directed at his ribs. Apart from that he has no holes. He can play pace and bounce away from his body. Just not directed at his body.
Similar issue with kishan.
If he works on his pull this guy could be a very good player.
he probably won't play against Pakistan.. I think that is a good move. give him time to fully recover. Even a loss against Pak is not a big deal for India. They should still be able to make it to the Semis. He can join after Pak and BD matches. That will give him 10 more days of rest without much affecting Indian team performance. It may also be better for India with a left hander on the top against Shaheen and co.Shubman Gill missed out on a 100 here. In current form he would have pulverized this bowling
Nothing unusual unless the team fails to win. 1996 semis srilanka were 2 down in first over in semis . 1996 semis srilanka 30 odd for 2 in final.There is one massive massive weakness in this line up. Top order collapse. One scenario which many teams can capitalize on especially when they chase a reasonably big total. That can flare up any time. It is not that they become poor. They just collectively fail inexplicably.
Gill is much need for later part of the world cup including knockout game .so we need full fit Gill even if he take 10 more dayshe probably won't play against Pakistan.. I think that is a good move. give him time to fully recover. Even a loss against Pak is not a big deal for India. They should still be able to make it to the Semis. He can join after Pak and BD matches. That will give him 10 more days of rest without much affecting Indian team performance. It may also be better for India with a left hander on the top against Shaheen and co.
Nothing unusual unless the team fails to win. 1996 semis srilanka were 2 down in first over in semis . 1996 semis srilanka 30 odd for 2 in final.
2011 World Cup final India 30 odd for 2 in final.
2019 worldcup semis gives an impress of Indias "any time top order collapse feel" . The pitch was damp and under covers overnight. Its how rishab/pandya threw it away with dhoni playing a tuk tuk
I was only 5 offThis will be done in 80 overs.
he probably won't play against Pakistan.. I think that is a good move. give him time to fully recover. Even a loss against Pak is not a big deal for India. They should still be able to make it to the Semis. He can join after Pak and BD matches. That will give him 10 more days of rest without much affecting Indian team performance. It may also be better for India with a left hander on the top against Shaheen and co.
i will be upset if we lose the match, but losing match won't stop India from getting into semis. More importantly it may give them the kick in the back that they needSportsWarrior is the only person we've seen on PakPassion who says India losing to Pak is no big deal.
i will be upset if we lose the match, but losing match won't stop India from getting into semis. More importantly it may give them the kick in the back that they need.. Also, a league match which we can afford to lose is not where you want to bring your young opener recovering from Dengue back into the team. Six teams are competitive and will beat each other. So any team can afford to lose up to three matches and still get into semis with good NRR. India also plays the last match against a weak team and will know exactly what to do to get into semis if it come to NRR. India also has already beaten a big team so they can afford to lose to Pak. So i am not worried about Pak match
Not an accurate comparison. 1996 SL batting line up was deep with most of the batsmen in peak form. 2011 Indian middle order had the likes of Kohli, Dhoni, Yuvraj, and Raina all of whom were also in great form. I don't see Shreyas Iyer or Jadeja partnering with KL Rahul (assuming KL continues his good form) if India get to 20/3 to chase a 300+ score the way Dhoni/Yuvraj/Raina could do.Nothing unusual unless the team fails to win. 1996 semis srilanka were 2 down in first over in semis . 1996 semis srilanka 30 odd for 2 in final.
2011 World Cup final India 30 odd for 2 in final.
2019 worldcup semis gives an impress of Indias "any time top order collapse feel" . The pitch was damp and under covers overnight. Its how rishab/pandya threw it away with dhoni playing a tuk tuk
Rizzu will be made the next captain considering his Contract A Status. It is clear he'll be the next one.We need a fighter captain. Who is it in our team?
Shadab but shadab performance is average so no.
Rauf? But rauf is a bit of a brute so no.
Rizwan perhaps but he can be a bit timid.
Shafique maybe. He is mentally tough.
While I agree with you theoretically, 8-0 is on the line here. And that matters equally as well as any WC trophyi will be upset if we lose the match, but losing match won't stop India from getting into semis. More importantly it may give them the kick in the back that they need.. Also, a league match which we can afford to lose is not where you want to bring your young opener recovering from Dengue back into the team. Six teams are competitive and will beat each other. So any team can afford to lose up to three matches and still get into semis with good NRR. India also plays the last match against a weak team and will know exactly what to do to get into semis if it come to NRR. India also has already beaten a big team so they can afford to lose to Pak. So i am not worried about Pak match
Yea until we change this whole mindset about picking experience over merit, it will be hard to win titles.Rizzu will be made the next captain considering his Contract A Status. It is clear he'll be the next one.
Personally though if you want an actual captain it should be Muhammad haris, The guy led well in the emerging acc Asia cup.
What Pakistan needs is to avoid their mistakes that they've been doing since 2011, which is use the so called experience excuse, not testing players and then hoping for new blood miracles.
In 2015 sarfi showed he was inform in the Australian series but he was sidelined for nasir jamshed because of experience even though jamshed was out of form for 2 years since 2013 CT.
In 2017 fakhar had only 2 games at no 4, and despite having the chance of being tested for atleast 8 odi's before his ct endeavour amd being in Red hot form in domestic he was sidelined and Ahmed shehzad who was failing nonstop since 2015 was brought in because of experience, and again it backfired and fakhar came strong.
In 2023 we did the same mistake, Saud and Abdullah are your 2 best test players in Sri Lankan test, Tayyab is your leading scorer in Asia cup, saim ayub is in red hot form, Babar had the opportunity to give these lads games since the NZ 2nd string series but instead he preferred agha and fakhar who have been out of form for over 10+ games because of that experience nonsense clause.
Rizzu and Babar use to be garbage in 2015 to 2016, their class after being given extended runs.
Rather them hoping for last minute miracles and constantly relying on sensing out of form players hoping they'll come good in world cup stages,
Why not play the entire acc emerging Asia cup team? They'll fail for a while like how 2nd string nZ failed but we'll cultivate players?
Let haris who captained with aggression be captain, Let rizzu be the senior player who guides the 2nd as the 2nd hand and let saim ayub, Omair bin aziz , Abdullah shaifiq, Saud Shakeel, Tayyab tahir, Ihsanullah, Abass afridi etc, be given really long hauks so they can become world class by 2027?
Continuing with fakhar and imam for 5 years with zero opening rotation is what created the opening dilemma that were facing in the first place.
Choose and select players on form, not on experience. This so called selecting out of form players because they are experienced in world cup stages is what creates problems, How many times will you rely on newbie miracles? This is the 3rd time now.
Imagine of India did that with dhawan lol, removing Gill and selecting dhawan even though dhawan has fizzled out but because dhawan has experience he gets to play.
The lack of experience nonsense argument needs to end, You guys have seen how it has backfired since 2015 lol.
India is possibly the best team against spin in LOIs currently. Plus the likes of Rashid, Mujeeb and Nabi have been featuring in IPL for over 6 years and Indian batters are very familiar with them. But it's the meekness and body language of Afg against India that isn't a good look. Afg are always turbo charged against Pak but against India they seem scared.Their strength is India's strength too. India does not succumb to Mujeeb and Rashid easily. Pakistan on the other hand gives loads of wicket to Afghan spinners.
Yea until we change this whole mindset about picking experience over merit, it will be hard to win titles.
Whole idea is flawed really. Seniority etc might work in a bank or government job but this is a sport. People want to see winners and be entertained. We need to pick players based on merit firstly.
We only do that with bowlers. With batting it'd all up to great babar azam who choose as per his whim. He helps his buddies, offers favours etc.
Wasn’t Kohli’s father a small time lawyer? He had a very middle class upbringing.Technically you can consider kohli's inclusion as networking. He had a very influential father and had a massive head start on learning cricket. Despite all his father's claims on not wanting kohli to have unfair advantages over others, if you follow his life story, you'll know that isn't the case.
But no one in their right mind would ever claim kohli is nepotism, no one ever calls kohli a parchi lol
Imam has an even more influential uncle lol, and someone who pulls 100x more strings then Kohli's father ever did. But everyone calls him a parchi
^^ Perfect way to sum up networking vs nepotism in a nutshell.
His father made him to stay at the club(which was not selecting him for under14)to defeat the nepotism. So kohli have to wait for 1 year to get in to same club under 15 team later.Wasn’t Kohli’s father a small time lawyer? He had a very middle class upbringing.
Kohli benefited from having a father who had access to the right network. He also worked hard on his own accord. He is extremely fit and hard working. Similar to Cristiano ronaldo in a sense.Technically you can consider kohli's inclusion as networking. He had a very influential father and had a massive head start on learning cricket. Despite all his father's claims on not wanting kohli to have unfair advantages over others, if you follow his life story, you'll know that isn't the case.
But no one in their right mind would ever claim kohli is nepotism, no one ever calls kohli a parchi lol
Imam has an even more influential uncle lol, and someone who pulls 100x more strings then Kohli's father ever did. But everyone calls him a parchi
^^ Perfect way to sum up networking vs nepotism in a nutshell.
Kohli benefited from having a father who had access to the right network. He also worked hard on his own accord. He is extremely fit and hard working. Similar to Cristiano ronaldo in a sense.
Talent alone will never get you far. Needs to be supplemented with hard work. Unfortunately not everyone has access to such networks and I am certain many talented players may have missed out. I agree with the theory that you need to put yourselves out there to get noticed.
As I have grown older though I have realised so many people are capable of so much more and can certainly achieve anything if they put their heart and soul into something they love. Dedication, hard work, perseverance and talent. It's a combination of all.
Some people have natural talent which requires them to work less harder than others for a particular sport or activity. That talent too was probably developed while they were young due to good support from parents who pushed them in the right direction.
In my uni days, there was this kid who was a real whizz with maths. I always wondered why he was so good and then he told me how his parents pushed him to study higher level maths while he was still in primary school. They made him take extra coaching lessons etc. In saying that he lacks the social skills as he over developed his technical knowledge. So I guess it's a matter of perspective.
99 % of the people have to work hard to achieve what they want to. Many just lack the mental strength to persevere through hardships.
The 1% just may be born geniuses but even then such geniuses are unearthed due to their upbringing and their propensity for learning and educating themselves from a very young age. Natural curiosity.
No honestly, all I know about his father was that he was a criminal lawyer practicing in the local court. He lived in West Delhi which is a very middle class area. How was he well connected and how is Kohli a product of nepotism?
AFAIK, only Saurav Ganguly and maybe Yuvraj Singh were from well connected families.
I don’t know if that’s an unfair advantage - it’s just a parent recognizing a child’s potential and getting extra coaching for his kid, just like other child prodigies in other sports like Chess, Tennis or Golfing or even in something like spelling bees are discovered. Even Rohit Sharma’s parents recognized his potential and sent him to live with his grandparents so that he can pursue sports and so did Tendulkar’s parents who made him switch schools so that he can pursue cricket under famed coach Ramakant Achrekar. Doesn’t mean that they gave them an unfair advantage, it just means that they recognized the potential of their child.When did I say kohli was nepotism?
Nepotism is when networking meets bias and unfair standards of selection lol.
Kohli is just networking.
As for the kohli, His father prem sharma was a very very influential criminal lawyer and was very well connected. He saw his son having an affinity for cricket at the age of 3 and decided that he should meet rajkumar sharma and get coached at a proper professional cricket academy, because his father decided that kohli should go into cricket and not play gully cricket like most of us normies do lol.
He then got many calls to have his son enrolled in proper influential clubs and fast track his way to under 13 international cricket and domestic but his dad refused because he felt that it would be nepotism and he didn't want his son to enter cricket via nepotism.
After kohli proved his worth, his dad enrolled him in influential clubs and from their it's all kohli's own hard work.
But it is an unfair advantage. Most people do not have a dad who looks at a 3 year old kid and decides yup, time to fast track him into professional cricket.
99% of dad's would have max just have their children play gully cricket and some minor school competitions facing F tier bowlers and then straight off to university and then a job in corporate sector.
As I said
Talent + Hard work + Opportunity determines success and btw i am not disrespecting kohli, I admire kohli but the ultra succeaful have all 3 things.
In kohli's case
Talent = Having the affinity for cricket since the tender age of 3
Hard work= Daily practise, Building a routine, building a strong diet, making sure to overcome any weakness, always working hard to Master every stroke + front foot + backfoot play.
Opportunity: Having one heck of daddy.
I don’t know if that’s an unfair advantage - it’s just a parent recognizing a child’s potential and getting extra coaching for his kid, just like other child prodigies in other sports like Chess, Tennis or Golfing or even in something like spelling bees are discovered. Even Rohit Sharma’s parents recognized his potential and sent him to live with his grandparents so that he can pursue sports and so did Tendulkar’s parents who made him switch schools so that he can pursue cricket under famed coach Ramakant Achrekar. Doesn’t mean that they gave them an unfair advantage, it just means that they recognized the potential of their child.
The way you worded it i thought that Kohli probably had connections similar to Arjun Tendulkar or Rohan Gavaskar, lol!
Are you a hard core socialist, because you surely sound like one… Just to single out Kohli as having an unfair advantage for having a middle class , educated parent who recognised his potential is kinda bizarre - because practically every middle class parent in India invests in their kid in some similar way or another. Yes Kohli went to a cricket coach, but you dont what kinda financial struggles or sacrifices his or any other sportsman families went through to support that decision. I know for a fact that Rohit Sharma came from an extremely poor family, but his parents sent him to his grandparents and barely made their own ends met so that Rohit can get some coaching. Yashaswi Jaiswal’s poor parents sent him to live with his coach - he sold Pani puris to make some money to buy cricketing gear. I wouldn’t call that unfair advantage, I would call it justifying the faith of their parents.That is 100% an unfair advantage. Having a parent who literally gives you access to proper coaching and training facilities + actual influential clubs, clubs in which of you perform you get selected at international level is one of the biggest unfair advantages that you can have.
Unfair advantage isn't a bad thing. Everyone on this planet has an unfair advantages when it comes to income, Location, parents, luck or really anything outside of your control. Their isn't a single person who doesn't have an unfair advantage.
I have an unfair advantage over lower class pakistani chaiwala's, because I was born in a family that cam speak English, and afford foreign education and send me to a well developed country in Australia so with these advantages I'm defo automatically going to be more succesful then a dude who is born in a lower developed country into a lower class family that can't speak English.
The person who's the chaiwala might have some unrecognised talent, like maybe he's an excellent street fighter but unless he has the unfair advantage of luck or being at the right place at the right time he ain't going to more succesful then I am since I just have the family who have Accelerated me lol.
Their are dozens of dozens of young cricketers who have an affinity for cricket since the age of 3 and are just as hard working and talented as kohli but they won't even make it to domestic level because they either have parents who recognised their potential but didn't have the money or connections to get them Into the field professionally, or the parents are rich but are of the same mould as the 99% which is go to school, get a job yada yada.
What you described having an influential parent as a support mechanism is a massive massive unfair advantage pertaining to kohli. If kohli wasn't born in India and was born in Kenya, or if he had a moron father or had he been born poor with zero access to any cricket facilities he wouldn't be here today.
That's life in general, no one is born on an equal footing, us being on this forumn means we have access to Internet and likely have always had access to it. Do you know how many children are born into families with no access to the Internet? With no fault of their own, companies don't exactly hire these types of people lol.
^^ That's an example of unfair advantages lol. Just be grateful we are luckier then others and kohli had one killer father, because if it wasn't for the dad, this generation would have never witnessed the birth of the greatest cricketer in the past decade or so.
what are you even arguing? How many times must I stateAre you a hard core socialist, because you surely sound like one… Just to single out Kohli as having an unfair advantage for having a middle class , educated parent who recognised his potential is kinda bizarre - because practically every middle class parent in India invests in their kid in some similar way or another. Yes Kohli went to a cricket coach, but you dont what kinda financial struggles or sacrifices his or any other sportsman families went through to support that decision. I know for a fact that Rohit Sharma came from an extremely poor family, but his parents sent him to his grandparents and barely made their own ends met so that Rohit can get some coaching. Yashaswi Jaiswal’s poor parents sent him to live with his coach - he sold Pani puris to make some money to buy cricketing gear. I wouldn’t call that unfair advantage, I would call it justifying the faith of their parents.
And Virat Kohli didn’t become a cricketer because of his coaching, he was discovered because he had something in him that set him apart from others. Millions of kids play sports or even get coaching, but only one becomes a Kohli or a Djokovic or a Messi. That’s sheer talent and hard work, not unfair advantage.