jnaveen1980
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This is a different pitch. I will be surprised if there is anything for spinners.Will this chennai pitch get better for spinners later on, or is it just set to get flatter?
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This is a different pitch. I will be surprised if there is anything for spinners.Will this chennai pitch get better for spinners later on, or is it just set to get flatter?
Who cares about their ages. Even if they are 45 and they are able come up performances like the have been, what is the problem? is there any age limit. If Kohli, Rohit and Shame are 40 and still are among the best, my admiration for them will go up. This is not age limted cricket anymoreKohli also pretend to be 33 when in reality he is much older. Rohit is old. Shami is apparently '33' ok sure.
A combo of experienced ans youth is needed to win the WC anyway.
Couldn't have said better.Lol at systematic racism. Trolling is not racism. BD should be ashamed to be comparing themselves to AFG. Afg is a war-torn country for decades. There hasn't been a stable government forever. Their players have never played against any major teams in front of their home crowd. There is no economy to speak about and there is not a big first-class scene to write about. They don't even play under their current government flag which considers cricket haram. Compared this to BD which has a stable government, professional first-class setup for decades, has played international cricket for decades, plays in front their home hysterical crowd regularly under doctored pitches, a supposed booming economy, and has a fairly successful T20 league. Compared AFG, BD is a heaven. Even Pak has struggled to play in front of their home crowd and have a struggling economy. So are SL.
With so many things going for them, where is the talent? Yes, India has Kholi, Jadeja, Ashwin (who by the way started in 2010s) and KL, who debuted around a decade later than your stars. But they also have Gill, Bumhra, Siraj, Pandya, Pant, who have all won matches on their own against really good teams.
People "poke finger" at BD because they have the most overrated cricketers ever. Arrogant, entitled and devil may care attitude when all they have for showing is coming second in asia cup. I was once very bullish on BD. Thought they will eclipse Pak. Even if you ignore the past and look only at the future and at their respective trajectory, BD will never reach Pak's abilities in our lifetime.
First acid test for NZ. So far their MO is not tested yet. Couple more wickets NZ will be in a pickle.BD need to tie up KW and put pressure on Mitchell to play the big shots
He's a misfit and overrated for odis. And an absolute disaster for t20s. He should just stick to testsI like the dogged spirit and tenacity of Kane like his brilliant century vs bazball team. But in ODIs he is boring as he'll. 59 strike rate?
Team requirements is primarily goal . He is playing well to adjust the condition for big match as they are winning this match easily.I like the dogged spirit and tenacity of Kane like his brilliant century vs bazball team. But in ODIs he is boring as he'll. 59 strike rate?
Poms took 140 years? was there WCs in 1900s? did you forget they were finalists in 87 and 92? yes there was first class setup, so was in BD although not for such a long time. better team to compare to BD is SL. SL probably had a 1.5 decade or so early introduction to international cricket. they had won asia cups, and world cup in 20 years.I’m absolutely not emotional- I understand Cricket more than most here, definitely lot more than trolls coming to enjoy their two minutes glory in a cricket forum.
Trophy cabinet comes from overall quality - overall the team is not good enough. Besides, we have moved out of 1980s & 90s when every alternate month there were tournaments- these days there is only ICC events & Asia cup - it took Poms to win a WC 140 years, if you say so.
However, having trophy or not has absolutely nothing to do with the depth or seniors bailing out the team. This squad has 7 players who has played U19 cricket in last 6 years, bar Shakib entire bowling line up is new. They are shifting cricket from spin based darting to pace attack - you’ll see the impact; that doesn’t mean trophy cabinet is going to be full.
I don’t want to refer past games, but few weeks back a kid on debut blew Indian top order - bar Shakib players performing that win were Tanzim, Tawhid, Mehadi & Nasum - I bet trolls had never heard of the names before Asia cup.
nah.. unless they take wicket of Kane, they will not win. He can stay and play slowly and hold up one end. Others can play run a ball innings from the other end. That is enough to win the match. BD needs to get at least two wickets including that of Kane to make any dent. Otherwise, NZ will reach there in third gear as always with Kane in the middle.Keep building dots
Door will open
you probably won't find full spinning tracks. Mostly moderately spinning track coupled with slow or uneven bounceWhen is spin going to start taking effect in this World Cup?
That is the trade off. Stability. He has this defense first mentality. He never gives away his wicket easily.Team requirements is primarily goal . He is playing well to adjust the condition for big match as they are winning this match easily.
Their yoyo test cut off is the highest among all countries.NZ easily taking singles whereas BD batsmen struggled to find singles.
haha.. Pakistan Australia and England will want to see India, NZ and SA lose atleast a game in the next few matches. that way it will open up the tournament and make their jobs easier. Otherwise all teams will beat the minnows AFG, NED, SL and BD and it all comes down to winning couple of matches against title contenders to qualify for semis
They can't possibly worry about losing it can they?Need to put foot down soon and push for NRR.
Get to 190 and then Mitchell goes for it,
Safety first.They can't possibly worry about losing it can they?
Delhi too..chennai is not easy. But easy if you don't catch well enoughSo far venues where it's easier batting second are Ahmedabad, Hyderabad and chennai
Day night cricket is rubbish.When is spin going to start taking effect in this World Cup?
But to me it seems ball is not stopping as much in second innings in Chennai tooDelhi too..chennai is not easy. But easy if you don't catch well enough
According to some in this thread, this was a close game lol.So many games played not even a single close match. And this wc format is crap too
There's a reason why Kane's still captain while Kohli got booted via phone call.Kohli baiters should be criticising their captain's snail innings, but here they are praising him... Hypocrites...
Yupp , coz you dont have better candidates mate. Call out Kane's innings for what it was- a selfish snail paced snooze fest, ultimately screwing his own teams NRR...There's a reason why Kane's still captain while Kohli got booted via phone call.
Kane's first match back from injury and it's his role to play like this and let the others focus on scoring quick runs.Yupp , coz you dont have better candidates mate. Dont be a hypocrite, call out Kane's innings for what it was- a selfish snail paced snooze fest, ultimately screwing his own teams NRR...
But then that would require cojones, not be expected from you.
they have to still play against four more top teams. lets see how they fair. i suspect they may lose against, Aus, SA and one of India/Pak. They still should be comfortably making it to Semis due to their very good NRRNew Zealand in their first 3 matches of the World Cup:
2015 - W, W, W.
2019 - W, W, W.
2023 - W, W, W.
NZ won two tosses , decided to bowl in both and won easily. Joke tournament like 2021 T20 WC in Dubai
You have not even seen the real pattas yet . Wankhede, Bengaluru.Have to say this is one seriously boring and dull world cup other than Chennai,Lucknow the pitches have nothing in it for the bowlers. Just pile up the runs and put other team under pressure
I mentioned the venues where it's been much easier batting second in this thread.Oh please!! Kindly do not compare this to that farce of a tournament.
11 games so far in which 6 chasing teams won and 5 teams won by defending. Just yesterday South Africa defended the total after losing the toss. No where close to the joke that was Dubai 2021.
There's so many other talented batsmen in NZ. There is no way kane deserves to be in the nz team - just my opinion. I absolutely loved McCollum's captaincy and in 2015 wanted nz to win even though I am a massive aussie fan just for Mccullum! He had 2 and 3 even 3 slips for the initial power play and very attacking unlike Kane.. kane should just stick to testsKane's first match back from injury and it's his role to play like this and let the others focus on scoring quick runs.
Actually know what you're talking about before posting.
2015 was their best chance but they just beaten by a Mitchell starc special. They wont win a WC final just bcos they are a safety first defensive team except 2015. I. 2019 sf and final- they had the option to kill the game completely in the first half but they tuk tuked to 240 where they could have gotten 265-270 or more. Even 1982 they were aggressive in league stage due to Martin Crowe and john Wright messed up the sf with his defensive captaincy. That was an exciting team with Crowe in charge but too many dibbly dobblers who got found out on the big stage.. but Crowe injury was the turning pointNew Zealand in their first 3 matches of the World Cup:
2015 - W, W, W.
2019 - W, W, W.
2023 - W, W, W.
As usual, got your chance ….Lol at systematic racism. Trolling is not racism. BD should be ashamed to be comparing themselves to AFG. Afg is a war-torn country for decades. There hasn't been a stable government forever. Their players have never played against any major teams in front of their home crowd. There is no economy to speak about and there is not a big first-class scene to write about. They don't even play under their current government flag which considers cricket haram. Compared this to BD which has a stable government, professional first-class setup for decades, has played international cricket for decades, plays in front their home hysterical crowd regularly under doctored pitches, a supposed booming economy, and has a fairly successful T20 league. Compared AFG, BD is a heaven. Even Pak has struggled to play in front of their home crowd and have a struggling economy. So are SL.
With so many things going for them, where is the talent? Yes, India has Kholi, Jadeja, Ashwin (who by the way started in 2010s) and KL, who debuted around a decade later than your stars. But they also have Gill, Bumhra, Siraj, Pandya, Pant, who have all won matches on their own against really good teams.
People "poke finger" at BD because they have the most overrated cricketers ever. Arrogant, entitled and devil may care attitude when all they have for showing is coming second in asia cup. I was once very bullish on BD. Thought they will eclipse Pak. Even if you ignore the past and look only at the future and at their respective trajectory, BD will never reach Pak's abilities in our lifetime.
not sure what you mean getting your chance. if it means commenting about BD in a thread where they are losing, belive me we will lot of such opportunities in the future.As usual, got your chance ….
This is not a competition with AFGs therefore I really don’t want to bring them here - they are doing well, wish them better luck.
Having said that, you have absolutely no clue of what worked for AFGs. War torn & political instability was actually the key for AFGs cricket rise. Cricket is a very traditional game, played by few teams, mostly former British colonies- without infrastructure or domestic system it’s not possible to develop the game. This is where Afghan war came to their cricket - most of their first generation players actually learned their cricket in PAK, then moved back to Afghanistan. Besides they grew cricket during the time when T20 boomed - their players got the exposure in different leagues. Still, most of their top players are from old bunch.
As you said “trolling isn’t racism” - indeed - that’s why trolls need to be marked. It’s a game thread to discuss the game, and I don’t know why mods allow trolling here when at the starting post clearly the rules are written.
Anyway, no you are lying, not lying rather spreading uncalled for hate - no BD cricketer “overrate”, them, and they are one of the most humble cricketers around, let alone being arrogant. There are odd bad apples in every team.
Where which team or country reach, let’s leave that for future. If you had put your hopes on BD to eclipse PAK in cricket - that’s your stupidity, you shouldn’t come here to troll for that.
In this WC, there will be one winner, that doesn’t mean other teams haven’t come to play cricket, neither their fan can’t enjoy cricket.
I am too busy these days to be blogging around, but I’ll stick here till WC. My post was for a completely different context - if you are to troll here for a solace of your stupidity by shifting goal post, it doesn’t make you smart.
They have mental blocks against Pak & Aus in wc. Even though this time they look far better whereas those two are struggling, but they may still bottle it. They lost many matches to these two while being in better form.they have to still play against four more top teams. lets see how they fair. i suspect they may lose against, Aus, SA and one of India/Pak. They still should be comfortably making it to Semis due to their very good NRR
They overachieved in 92,99, way way over in 11 & then also in 19. They played like rockstars in 15 but ultimately Aussies were always gonna this, because they are... Aussies. They underachieved in 03 & 07. Should have played at least semi in the former & final in the latter. They did evenly according to their strength in 96. You are right about Crowe's injury, because only he knew how to use that jobber bowling attack properly. No other captain including Imran & Gooch could have gone this far with that farce of attack. Once he was gone, John Wright, Ian Smith or whoever else they would try had no clue how to close the match with literally zero match winning bowlers. When Danny Morison is your main strike bowler then reaching to semifinal that also almost unbeaten was an achievement in itself.2015 was their best chance but they just beaten by a Mitchell starc special. They wont win a WC final just bcos they are a safety first defensive team except 2015. I. 2019 sf and final- they had the option to kill the game completely in the first half but they tuk tuked to 240 where they could have gotten 265-270 or more. Even 1982 they were aggressive in league stage due to Martin Crowe and john Wright messed up the sf with his defensive captaincy. That was an exciting team with Crowe in charge but too many dibbly dobblers who got found out on the big stage.. but Crowe injury was the turning point
Oh I know what I am talking about, applying the same yardsticks to Kane that you apply to Kohli... appears you dont likwe it when shoes on the other foot?Kane's first match back from injury and it's his role to play like this and let the others focus on scoring quick runs.
Actually know what you're talking about before posting.
Difference is Kiwis actually like Kane and support him 100%. Unlike a certain choker from Delhi who is trolled by half his country for being a serial choker and loser.Oh I know what I am talking about, applying the same yardsticks to Kane that you apply to Kohli... appears you dont likwe it when shoes on the other foot?
Perhaps dont dish it if you cant take it.....
Kanes innings by modern standards was snail paced and rightly deserves a lot of stick. If he isnt fit, WC isnt the place to make a comeback from injury, unless offcourse NZ are content with forever being the bridesmaid never the bride.
He has won a World Cup and CT .so don't know what are you talking man . before he hang boot he is going to win another world cup so enjoy the world cup .Difference is Kiwis actually like Kane and support him 100%. Unlike a certain choker from Delhi who is trolled by half his country for being a serial choker and loser.
Complete nonsense . Kane is a world class batsman and a better odi batsman than Mccullum ever was. Also a significantly better captain than McCullum. McCullum was too one dimensional and his team wouldn't rise like kane's has away from home .There's so many other talented batsmen in NZ. There is no way kane deserves to be in the nz team - just my opinion. I absolutely loved McCollum's captaincy and in 2015 wanted nz to win even though I am a massive aussie fan just for Mccullum! He had 2 and 3 even 3 slips for the initial power play and very attacking unlike Kane.. kane should just stick to tests
India is the bridesmaid... we hammered india in the test championship too.Oh I know what I am talking about, applying the same yardsticks to Kane that you apply to Kohli... appears you dont likwe it when shoes on the other foot?
Perhaps dont dish it if you cant take it.....
Kanes innings by modern standards was snail paced and rightly deserves a lot of stick. If he isnt fit, WC isnt the place to make a comeback from injury, unless offcourse NZ are content with forever being the bridesmaid never the bride.
We can agree to disagree. This is the Kane of the last 3-4 years or so not before that . He made a snail paced 30 in 55 balls in the 2019 final. in 2019 sf 65 of 95 and 10 of 30 in the 2015 final and hampered both the finals In T2o WC in 2021 he made 5 of 10 ; and in 2022 WC sf he made 45 of 45 - not good enough for T20 . Numbers dont tell the whole story. Its about the impact and SR as well. He is like the post 2015 MS Dhoni who impacted the teams with his low SR and put enormous pressure on his teamamtes. Problem is both are titans in their countries and so people hesitate to criticise them. Simon Doull was the only who openly criticised in his commentary.Complete nonsense . Kane is a world class batsman and a better odi batsman than Mccullum ever was. Also a significantly better captain than McCullum. McCullum was too one dimensional and his team wouldn't rise like kane's has away from home .
Anyone saying kane didn't play well yesterday just does not understand odi cricket. He was famtastic.. and he was player of the tourny at last cwc. NZ would not have made semis without him .
I think you should stick to 1 over cricket or highlights if you think bmac was better.
One thing though . Whats really really admirable is that NZ for its population puts out such a good team relatively. The entire pop of NZ is less than any single IPL team home city. That is truly truly remarkable especially when cricket is not even their primary gameIndia is the bridesmaid... we hammered india in the test championship too.
Kohli is a choker in big events and knockouts.
Dont count 2011 - he hardly contributed.
We can agree to disagree. This is the Kane of the last 3-4 years or so not before that . He made a snail paced 30 in 55 balls in the 2019 final. in 2019 sf 65 of 95 and 10 of 30 in the 2015 final and hampered both the finals In T2o WC in 2021 he made 5 of 10 ; and in 2022 WC sf he made 45 of 45 - not good enough for T20 . Numbers dont tell the whole story. Its about the impact and SR as well. He is like the post 2015 MS Dhoni who impacted the teams with his low SR and put enormous pressure on his teamamtes. Problem is both are titans in their countries and so people hesitate to criticise them. Simon Doull was the only who openly criticised in his commentary.
And am not an armchair critic. We play weekend club league cricket - would never take a stat padder like Kane in my team . And any stat padders bat at 7 or 8 LOL ! The game has changed thats what I am saying . No role for anchors anymore . NZ will never win a white ball trophy with Kae at the helm or in the team now. And it's OK if our opinions differ !