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ICC World Cup 2023: Pakistan (200/1) keep their hopes of a Semi-Final berth alive with a 21 runs DLS win over New Zealand (401/6)

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Hope fully the life members of the 'indians dont cheer others', the ever whinging pak media BCCI=ICC, the wonderful imaginative 'chemicals applied on roller in between innings', the ball was changed to suit india Brigade will take another seat when they see the scoreboard and also crowd cheering FZ's 100....
In India's match against Sl , there was this one dude who kept saying 'stadium aapka, ball aapka, umpire aapka, XYZ aapka' on rinse repeat....

Does anyone have the cojones here to say - i was wrong? elite honesty...any one - hai aap me Zameer aur Ghairaat?"
 
aukhan said:
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Amazing how fakhar under pressure of RR and scoreboard fought like a soldier today. Nerves of steel from fakhar once again in the big match. He had to compensate for Babar’s selfish tuk tuk too.
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this tuk tuk statpadder need to be removed for saim ayub
 
saqib.rai said:
If we win this and then NZ beat SL and we go out on NRR

IT would be a heartbreak like never before

It would then be 2 consecutive World Cups in which we picked up momentum but NRR screwed us
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Yeah NRR is a big problem because Pakistan is roughly 150 runs behind New Zealand's NRR as of now.

NZ just needs a routine win over SL and Pak would have a hard time beating England by 200-250 runs.
 
Rana said:
Easily Fakhar’s best hundred
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The sad thing is, most pp posters will deliberately ignore this match and still act as if rizzu was the right man to replace fakhar at opening. And will still state claims like Babar and rizzu play for the team.

Babar didn't even give a kahoot about rr where fakhar was clearly trying to get ahead of dls score

They'll say rizwan's 131 is the best 😂😂
 
CrIc_Mystique said:
reposting
Hope fully the life members of the 'indians dont cheer others', the ever whinging pak media BCCI=ICC, the wonderful imaginative 'chemicals applied on roller in between innings', the ball was changed to suit india Brigade will take another seat when they see the scoreboard and also crowd cheering FZ's 100....
In India's match against Sl , there was this one dude who kept saying 'stadium aapka, ball aapka, umpire aapka, XYZ aapka' on rinse repeat....

Does anyone have the cojones here to say - i was wrong? elite honesty...any one - hai aap me Zameer aur Ghairaat?
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To be fair the sound when he done Sajda was very loud. Crowd has been amazing today.
 
pillionrider said:
The thing is Indians are not black or white in their attitudes. This is the same ground where a Pak fan was stopped from chanting Pakistan Zindabad.

This is the only state in South India that has had BJP governments. But you’ll also see a Pakistani Muslim doing sajda being cheered. I swear I heard the applause grow louder at that moment.

We are a weird bunch :rp
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It's not weird. No body cares or minds if someone does a sajda. Players have been doing this for ages in India. It's some weird comments that followed irked Indians
 
CrIc_Mystique said:
Hope fully the life members of the 'indians dont cheer others', the ever whinging pak media BCCI=ICC, the wonderful imaginative 'chemicals applied on roller in between innings', the ball was changed to suit india Brigade will take another seat when they see the scoreboard and also crowd cheering FZ's 100....
In India's match against Sl , there was this one dude who kept saying 'stadium aapka, ball aapka, umpire aapka, XYZ aapka' on rinse repeat....

Does anyone have the cojones here to say - i was wrong? elite honesty...any one - hai aap me Zameer aur Ghairaat?
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These crowd doesn’t even take itself serious. You shouldn’t take them serious. The Indian crowds have been wonderful and they have supported whichever side has played good cricket. You can’t blame the crowd for not backing a team that has played rubbish cricket so far.
 
CrIc_Mystique said:
reposting : "
Hope fully the life members of the 'indians dont cheer others', the ever whinging pak media BCCI=ICC, the wonderful imaginative 'chemicals applied on roller in between innings', the ball was changed to suit india Brigade will take another seat when they see the scoreboard and also crowd cheering FZ's 100....
In India's match against Sl , there was this one dude who kept saying 'stadium aapka, ball aapka, umpire aapka, XYZ aapka' on rinse repeat....

Does anyone have the cojones here to say - i was wrong? elite honesty...any one - hai aap me Zameer aur Ghairaat?"
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What are you talking about
 
mominsaigol said:
The sad thing is, most pp posters will deliberately ignore this match and still act as if rizzu was the right man to replace fakhar at opening. And will still state claims like Babar and rizzu play for the team.

Babar didn't even give a kahoot about rr where fakhar was clearly trying to get ahead of dls score
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Fakhar has elite selfless mentality. He has been mistreated by Babar and Rizwan in T20s. Great injustice has been done to him.
 
Fakhar has convinced me - at least as an interim, he needs to be white ball captain. Now there’s a solution for the “there’s no one better” brigade.
 
mominsaigol said:
The sad thing is, most pp posters will deliberately ignore this match and still act as if rizzu was the right man to replace fakhar at opening. And will still state claims like Babar and rizzu play for the team.

Babar didn't even give a kahoot about rr where fakhar was clearly trying to get ahead of dls score

They'll say rizwan's 131 is the best 😂😂
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Rizwan Babar lost the T20WC single handlely in Australia
 
CrIc_Mystique said:
reposting
: "
Hope fully the life members of the 'indians dont cheer others', the ever whinging pak media BCCI=ICC, the wonderful imaginative 'chemicals applied on roller in between innings', the ball was changed to suit india Brigade will take another seat when they see the scoreboard and also crowd cheering FZ's 100....
In India's match against Sl , there was this one dude who kept saying 'stadium aapka, ball aapka, umpire aapka, XYZ aapka' on rinse repeat....

Does anyone have the cojones here to say - i was wrong? elite honesty...any one - hai aap me Zameer aur Ghairaat?"
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who said that man? stadium aapka, ball aapka ?
only team i have seen tampering with boundaries and balls are the poms. in odi world cup 2019 and also in test series vs australia and india.
 
TheSultan said:
Fakhar has convinced me - at least as an interim, he needs to be white ball captain. Now there’s a solution for the “there’s no one better” brigade.
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No, don't make him captain and ruin this gem.

They'll drop him on a few failures. Let rizwan be captain and let's end this drama once and for all.

Need rizzu gone forever
 
No other sport is more susceptible to rain interruptions than cricket. I'm amazed there's very few stadiums if any with retractable rooftops. It should be the standard for world cup venues
 
aukhan said:
Fakhar has elite selfless mentality. He has been mistreated by Babar and Rizwan in T20s. Great injustice has been done to him.
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Thanks misbah for pushing him at number 6 and letting Babar Rizwan cancer spread in team .
 
What an inning so far from Zaman.
Pak can really make the record of second highest chase today.
 
On an unrelated cricket note, it seems Indian infrastructure has developed at an exponential rate over the past decade. Pakistan used to have better infrastructure and was much more cleaner, it seems the Indians have really done a phenomenal job overtaking Pakistan. Some of the Indian cities look quite developed. Fruits of political stability powering the economy. Kudos
 
bluevision said:
I can hear the cloud rumbling, the sky may open up at any moment, 10 KMs away from the ground. However, the rain will not last long, I trust. And, the drainage in Chinnaswamy is very efficient.
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It has not started raining this side yet, the dark cloud will be swept away by the wind I guess. Just usual Bangalore weather.
 

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CrIc_Mystique said:
from my experience of banglore, showers are always passing....yu get to see 4 seasons inone day....
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Plus, this ground has a very advanced drainage system that makes play possible within a few minutes of rain stoppage.
 
mominsaigol said:
The sad thing is, most pp posters will deliberately ignore this match and still act as if rizzu was the right man to replace fakhar at opening. And will still state claims like Babar and rizzu play for the team.

Babar didn't even give a kahoot about rr where fakhar was clearly trying to get ahead of dls score

They'll say rizwan's 131 is the best 😂😂
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Trust me no one will say that Riz should open in ODI, that too for FZ.

Ideally, in T20 FZ should open but that’s not for Riz, rather for Babar. In fact in ODI also Babar-FZ should open and Riz should stick at 4, because he is playing really well at #4 role. Problem was Imam - these days conditions are so batting friendly that most times you can maintain a 45/80 stats by playing very much risk less cricket - Imam was cashing on that as opener…. Riz has nothing to do in it.

I’m more worried about his keeping actually, looked very flat today.
 
It's a passing shower. But the rain and wet outfield takes away any chance of reverse swing. Also makes it harder to grip the ball for spinners. Still Pak's game if Fakhar stays for 10 more overs
 
kingusama92 said:
If PAK beats NZ today and NZ beats SL then it comes down to Pakistan's NRR after the England game. They would likely have to destroy England in that last game to even have a chance.
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The advantage we would have is that we go into the England game knowing the equation and what we need to win by.
 
MMHS said:
Trust me no one will say that Riz should open in ODI, that too for FZ.

Ideally, in T20 FZ should open but that’s not for Riz, rather for Babar. In fact in ODI also Babar-FZ should open and Riz should stick at 4, because he is playing really well at #4 role. Problem was Imam - these days conditions are so batting friendly that most times you can maintain a 45/80 stats by playing very much risk less cricket - Imam was cashing on that as opener…. Riz has nothing to do in it.

I’m more worried about his keeping actually, looked very flat today.
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MMHS said:
Trust me no one will say that Riz should open in ODI, that too for FZ.

Ideally, in T20 FZ should open but that’s not for Riz, rather for Babar. In fact in ODI also Babar-FZ should open and Riz should stick at 4, because he is playing really well at #4 role. Problem was Imam - these days conditions are so batting friendly that most times you can maintain a 45/80 stats by playing very much risk less cricket - Imam was cashing on that as opener…. Riz has nothing to do in it.

I’m more worried about his keeping actually, looked very flat today.
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Ayub and fakhar should open. Abdullah one down.
 
Babar playing at less than run a ball when chasing 400 speaks volumes.

Sure Fakhar on the other end is smashing the bowlers but you cannot play at less than 100 SR when the required rate is north of 8. That is terrible.

Rain has come at a bad time for Pakistan. All the momentum would have been sucked. Fakhar would find it difficult to resume his monstrous batting.

There's nothing exhilarating in Pakistan cricket than Fakhar in full flow but there's nothing more comical than a Pakistani collapse. And both can happen in the same match. That's the Pakistan way.
 
chinaman00 said:
On an unrelated cricket note, it seems Indian infrastructure has developed at an exponential rate over the past decade. Pakistan used to have better infrastructure and was much more cleaner, it seems the Indians have really done a phenomenal job overtaking Pakistan. Some of the Indian cities look quite developed. Fruits of political stability powering the economy. Kudos
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Yes especially Lucknow and Bangalore look really beautiful.
 
Not sure I understand Babar’s criticism on this forum today. We were never going to chase this in 35 overs (this will be the 2nd highest chase in 50 overs of all time if we get there lol 😂)

We are above par score anyway so not sure what the problem is..

Can someone explain?
 
MMHS said:
Trust me no one will say that Riz should open in ODI, that too for FZ.

Ideally, in T20 FZ should open but that’s not for Riz, rather for Babar. In fact in ODI also Babar-FZ should open and Riz should stick at 4, because he is playing really well at #4 role. Problem was Imam - these days conditions are so batting friendly that most times you can maintain a 45/80 stats by playing very much risk less cricket - Imam was cashing on that as opener…. Riz has nothing to do in it.

I’m more worried about his keeping actually, looked very flat today.
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You don't get it. Fakhar and saim were playing in the same game yet babar still forced himself and rizwan to play at opening.

And wdym no one will say, I just had a poster telling me rizwan > fakhar in opening 💀.

Babar and rizwan will go down as the biggest frauds in Pakistan history.

On paper statically rizwan is the best wk bat for pak and Babar is the best batsmen Pakistan has ever produced

But if our legends did that they'd all be > Babar and rizzu, cause any idiot can nudge and nudge and stat pad that way by playing risk free.

Babar and rizwan and imam, These 3 play for themselves, not the team. If Babar and rizwan played for the team, They'd instantly move down the order cause they know full well fakhar and saim are the men who can actually give the starts. It's better to have 2 anchored at 3 and 4 in t20 incase of a collapse at opening.

Not have a god damn anchorer in t20 opening to kill the rr.

And Babar and rizwan aren't stupid they know this full well but refuse to depart for milestones
 
chinaman00 said:
These crowd doesn’t even take itself serious. You shouldn’t take them serious. The Indian crowds have been wonderful and they have supported whichever side has played good cricket. You can’t blame the crowd for not backing a team that has played rubbish cricket so far.
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exactly my point. its wasnt about the crowds - but the narrative that is set in stone in pak media about unsporting crowds etc....if i cant blame the crowds for not backing a team that has not played well, yes that is correct although i wish indian crowds were more sporting and supported the underdog,...i was more referring to the narrative on this forum as well as on pak media - the weird saazish theories etc, the 'its always some one else's fault' mentality...
 
msb314 said:
Not sure I understand Babar’s criticism on this forum today. We were never going to chase this in 35 overs (this will be the 2nd highest chase in 50 overs of all time if we get there lol 😂)

We are above par score anyway so not sure what the problem is..

Can someone explain?
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Batting under a strike rate of 100 when you are chasing 400 is despicable. At the very least, if you’re struggling to hit a single boundary, get off strike without wasting deliveries.

However, Babar fails to show any intent and puts his partner under pressure
 
msb314 said:
Not sure I understand Babar’s criticism on this forum today. We were never going to chase this in 35 overs (this will be the 2nd highest chase in 50 overs of all time if we get there lol 😂)

We are above par score anyway so not sure what the problem is..

Can someone explain?
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Despite Fakhar’s insanity, the asking rate actually went up from the start of the innings. That’s the criticism
 
kron said:
who said that man? stadium aapka, ball aapka ?
only team i have seen tampering with boundaries and balls are the poms. in odi world cup 2019 and also in test series vs australia and india.
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i wouldnt want to name the dude...but for that you would need to revisit the thread...but on national tv in pak -this Hassan Raza dude said this...
 
If Fakhar gets out who do you send in next . We cannot afford to have both Babar and Rizwan at the crease. You need to either bring Saud who can attack spin or Ifti who can attack seam. Maybe better to bring Saud who can attack spin and Babar can attack pace. Babar give your cousin Umar a call and ask about some pre meditated strokes . He needs to play a bit out the box now
 
SalimBhai said:
Ayub and fakhar should open. Abdullah one down.
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Not sure about Abdullah though - solid player, but not made for ODI. Again, stats might be misleading as we are in 350 par era. Also, Abdullah at 3 means Babar getting further down.

Haven’t seen Ayub in 50 overs game but might be better than Abdullah as opener.
 
msb314 said:
Not sure I understand Babar’s criticism on this forum today. We were never going to chase this in 35 overs (this will be the 2nd highest chase in 50 overs of all time if we get there lol 😂)

We are above par score anyway so not sure what the problem is..

Can someone explain?
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Babar needs to go at only 90 to 100 sr until FZ is there. He doesn't have to get out like Shafiq.
 
Aussies not doing well in the other match...any chance they can take a big hit in NRR if England chase their total quickly that may benefit us?
 
Why are you blaming babar?
Do you know what happened in 2019 against India
When score was almost same and babar lost his wicket?
Dls shoot up so much that when rain stopped
Updated target was completely out of our range.
He saved wicket
Because if it was 152-2 we would have been far behind the dls score.
Use your mind sometimes for God's sake.
Fakhar was hitting
And babar was anchoring.
 
We need to go with All hack lineups into future tourneys and just hope their mental/cricket form is on a rotation. As long as one or two are in decent form at a given time, we would be unstoppable. Fakhar today looks unrecognizable from last month.
 
Rained off match is not good enough for Pak. NRR doesn't improve enough. SL will lose badly to New Zealand.

We need the rain to stop and for Fakhar to smash 200 off 140 balls.
 
CrIc_Mystique said:
exactly my point. its wasnt about the crowds - but the narrative that is set in stone in pak media about unsporting crowds etc....if i cant blame the crowds for not backing a team that has not played well, yes that is correct although i wish indian crowds were more sporting and supported the underdog,...i was more referring to the narrative on this forum as well as on pak media - the weird saazish theories etc, the 'its always some one else's fault' mentality...
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Some of these members have Swiss cheese for brains. Don’t take them serious as they need scapegoats to blame for this overhyped mediocre team.
 
CrIc_Mystique said:
reposting
: "
Hope fully the life members of the 'indians dont cheer others', the ever whinging pak media BCCI=ICC, the wonderful imaginative 'chemicals applied on roller in between innings', the ball was changed to suit india Brigade will take another seat when they see the scoreboard and also crowd cheering FZ's 100....
In India's match against Sl , there was this one dude who kept saying 'stadium aapka, ball aapka, umpire aapka, XYZ aapka' on rinse repeat....

Does anyone have the cojones here to say - i was wrong? elite honesty...any one - hai aap me Zameer aur Ghairaat?"
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Brought rain right when Pakistan was on song, killing their momentum. Icc = bcci
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Yes especially Lucknow and Bangalore look really beautiful.
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but beauty also comes with a price. i wish we'd plant more trees and really care for the environment.
the way delhi is going with the pollution levels....the less said the better...bombay is also heading there...so is mid central gujarat with all the chemical industries sprouting up
 
RKhan_Cricket said:
Why are you blaming babar?
Do you know what happened in 2019 against India
When score was almost same and babar lost his wicket?
Dls shoot up so much that when rain stopped
Updated target was completely out of our range.
He saved wicket
Because if it was 152-2 we would have been far behind the dls score.
Use your mind sometimes for God's sake.
Fakhar was hitting
And babar was anchoring.
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You don't anchor in a 400 chase. And it's because of Babar we lost in 2019.

He plays so God damn slow against semi decent bowlers that when he gets out, an incoming batsmen is expected to go at 8 to 9 rr which is an impossible task.

So when they get out, people praise Babar as the hero cause the score shows us a stat pad 50 followed with an ugly collapse that he put us In
 
mominsaigol said:
You don't get it. Fakhar and saim were playing in the same game yet babar still forced himself and rizwan to play at opening.

And wdym no one will say, I just had a poster telling me rizwan > fakhar in opening 💀.

Babar and rizwan will go down as the biggest frauds in Pakistan history.

On paper statically rizwan is the best wk bat for pak and Babar is the best batsmen Pakistan has ever produced

But if our legends did that they'd all be > Babar and rizzu, cause any idiot can nudge and nudge and stat pad that way by playing risk free.

Babar and rizwan and imam, These 3 play for themselves, not the team. If Babar and rizwan played for the team, They'd instantly move down the order cause they know full well fakhar and saim are the men who can actually give the starts. It's better to have 2 anchored at 3 and 4 in t20 incase of a collapse at opening.

Not have a god damn anchorer in t20 opening to kill the rr.

And Babar and rizwan aren't stupid they know this full well but refuse to depart for milestones
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My friend - no way you can convince me that Rizwan at 4 is costing PAK …. Even in this WC, so far he has played the most clutch innings. We have seen many blasts - most of those batting first and no one yet has finished a big chase, let alone 344 being not out. Yes, SRL bowling isn’t great, but he came at 60/2 or so.

As I said, if required find a new WK and play Riz as specialist No. 4, but till 2027, there is no one better at 4 in PAK ….. and trust me, I do follow PAK domestics.

And, to think that alternative is Sarfraz …… blasphemous…..
 
PakFan2010 said:
Rained off match is not good enough for Pak. NRR doesn't improve enough. SL will lose badly to New Zealand.

We need the rain to stop and for Fakhar to smash 200 off 140 balls.
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Nah we take the win

No chance we could chase 400 in a way that would impact the NRR.

It was always going to be duas for Sri Lanka to do us a solid after we conceeded 400.
 
msb314 said:
Not sure I understand Babar’s criticism on this forum today. We were never going to chase this in 35 overs (this will be the 2nd highest chase in 50 overs of all time if we get there lol 😂)

We are above par score anyway so not sure what the problem is..

Can someone explain?
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Barbar is batting at a strike between 80-90 during his innings chasing 402! He shouldn’t leave it to just Fakhar. If Fakhar gets out then what? Babar needs to be helping him and taking some pressure of him instead of just leaving it to FZ. Babar can’t even get the ball past the infield most balls.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Not a good knock by Bobby by any means BUT it may have inadvertently been a blessing. Being 2 or 3 down would have had massive impact on DLS.
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Yes that's a big silver lining. But purely in terms of chasing 401, you cannot reach a half century at less than run a ball, borderline criminal.

Doesn't need to be hitting like Fakhar, but he's played 23 dots in his 51 balls, too much.
 
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