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ICC World Cup 2023: South Africa (311/7) inflict a massive 134-run defeat over Australia (177 all out)

Only noticeable difference in this world cup Delhi pitch. They completely changed its basic nature. It is very hard to time the ball there.
 
So i guess there goes the myth that india only puts out turners. Love these pitches honestly. Been great. Just depise that pitch where SA scored 400 plus scores. No more pattas
 
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Swashbuckler said:
Teams like India and South Africa may be strong now but will inevitably choke towards the end of the tournament. Pakistan and New Zealand will love it if England and Australia are eliminated here. Once we go to knockouts India and SA won't be serious contenders and door will open for champion mentality teams.
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Yeah, Pakistan and New Zealand are known for being mentally strong. The first thing that comes to mind if I think of those teams is - Yeah, they are mentally strong.
 
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South Africa that’s my team to win the cwc! Would love them too! As it’s time for Afrikaa!
 
kron said:
So i guess there goes the myth that india only puts out turners. Love these pitches honestly. Been great. Just depise that pitch where SA scored 400 plus scores. No more pattas
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There is a reason why all the current Indian players are superb players of pull shot. Even Iyer has improved now. There are some pitches that offer a lot of bounce. Guys like Prasidh was disconcerting when he played against England. Ball just reared off from a good length. I am pretty sure many teams would struggle agianst his natural bounce.
 
India have a match in This stadium against England ,Reece topley Definately gonna trouble us on this bouncy pitch. England are favourite.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
There is a reason why all the current Indian players are superb players of pull shot. Even Iyer has improved now. There are some pitches that offer a lot of bounce. Guys like Prasidh was disconcerting when he played against England. Ball just reared off from a good length. I am pretty sure many teams would struggle agianst his natural bounce.
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Have watched prasidh play. He is a very good bowler. His action though isn't repeatable. It's a weird one. He would be deadly on today' track. Gets a lot of natural bounce.
 
Great analysis by Pollock. He is very good. Australia thought even SA scoring slightly less than 300 means is restricting them. In this case that is above par. Just that Australia didn't guage it correctly. If anything they should have batted first.
 
Iamcoolwhiz said:
Pakistani

Yeah, Pakistan and New Zealand are known for being mentally strong. The first thing that comes to mind if I think of those teams is - Yeah, they are mentally strong.
Stop loving in fantasy world .
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I know right. If we were so strong mentally we would have won the t20 world cup. I think it's some rubbish jinx that Indian fans love to believe in.
 
Aseem_Khan said:
India have a match in This stadium against England ,Reece topley Definately gonna trouble us on this bouncy pitch. England are favourite.
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Yea.. that will be an interesting match. Most definitely teams will not elect to field first here.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Meekest Australian side i have ever seen. Usually Gilchrist was known to come out guns blazing in the 2000s regardless of thes urfaces.
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It's always a captain whose personality defines the philosophy of the team. Current Aus is meek because their captain is meek, Gilchrist was ruthless because Waugh & Ponting were ferocious, proud & dominant personalities.
 
Rana said:
Look like one of Australia or England will not make it to the next round
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Strange, isn't it? It's like 92 deja vu all over again. Aus & Wi messed up & handed over semifinal tickets to SA & Pak. Let's see who become beneficiaries if the big boys chocked again.
 
kron said:
This is the problem with bowling captains. Only one great bowling captain existed and it was imran khan.
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Are you sure? Some of the best ever captains were bowler/all-rounders…. In fact, Imran was a great motivator, and he raised own game to unparalleled level to lead from the front, but not the most tactically astute captain.

Benaud, Illingworth, IW Johnson, John Reid, Warwick Armstrong, Mushtaq Mo., Tony Greig, Bill Bowen …. That too after for different reasons some of the best cricket minds never given captaincy - KR Miller, Warne, Anderson, Marshall, Roberts, Lillie, Murali, Tiger O’Railey, Jim Laker, Anik Kumble ….

Actually, for struggling sides, it’s often better to have a bowling captain- I can explain why, and you’ll agree with that also, but not here. Cummins is a very good captain, but not for shorter game, neither for Indian conditions.
 
Savak said:
Pakistan has to come hard at the Australians. No perfect opportunity to defeat them.
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Pakistan has to get rid of Mitch Marsh ther eearly. If he gets going at Bengaluru it will be raining sixes. If anything that and Wankhede are the most conducive pitches for Australia. Fast, bounce, high alittude, plenty of dew while batting second makes it impossible to defend total if one of the batsman gets going. There is none better illustrate this than the IPL semi final 2023. RCB put up 197 on the back of 61 ball 100 from Kohli. Gujarat hunted down in 20th over with Gill's 52 ball 100.
 
MMHS said:
Are you sure? Some of the best ever captains were bowler/all-rounders…. In fact, Imran was a great motivator, and he raised own game to unparalleled level to lead from the front, but not the most tactically astute captain.

Benaud, Illingworth, IW Johnson, John Reid, Warwick Armstrong, Mushtaq Mo., Tony Greig, Bill Bowen …. That too after for different reasons some of the best cricket minds never given captaincy - KR Miller, Warne, Anderson, Marshall, Roberts, Lillie, Murali, Tiger O’Railey, Jim Laker, Anik Kumble ….

Actually, for struggling sides, it’s often better to have a bowling captain- I can explain why, and you’ll agree with that also, but not here. Cummins is a very good captain, but not for shorter game, neither for Indian conditions.
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I should have mentioned not fast bowling captains. Spinners sure. Odd exception aside. They over bowl themselves often.
 
Shamsi is a massive asset to SA team. He is not playing bilateral. So they should use him in every match. Shreyas Iyer hit him both in ODIs and T20s. He lost confidence. But he should be more than okay againstt other sides.
 
Only two games so far I can recall, captain winning toss has won the game (NZ-ENG & BD-AFG) - May be teams are still not sure about the playing conditions in India. However, three of those games toss hardly mattered (loosing side would have lost regardless of tosss). But, going forward, I think teams will be less interested to chase if they win the toss.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Labu is playing proper test match cricket like he is facing Ashwin and Jadeja
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Since 2019 Maharaj has the best Economy for any spinner IIRC. So he was never going to be easy to face in these conditions, especially after Maxwell went for 34 in his allotted overs
 
soso_killer said:
Since 2019 Maharaj has the best Economy for any spinner IIRC. So he was never going to be easy to face in these conditions, especially after Maxwell went for 34 in his allotted overs
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Not like Labu dominated any spinner. He struggle right through the tour here.
 
Aseem_Khan said:
I don't know why everyone is here started saying that England, Australia Done and hard to qualify now. Australia and England is kind of team that can win 7 out of 7 games next
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Of course they can, specially Australia. They have it done it so many times. Their entire legacy is based on such dramatic comebacks. Problem is the skipper, who gives the fans absolutely zero confidence. You compare this guy with Chappell, Border, Taylor, Waugh, Ponting & see he looks like a timid school boy. Doesn't possess that typical ruthless aussie mentality. Only consolation is they didn't drop any easy games, but rather lost the two matches most predicted them to lose. Eng is pretty much on the hunt, nothing much to worry as of now.
 
What a soulless batting from Labu lol He is bowling on the pads instead of flicking it for a six he is tapping for a single
 
It is very hard to upset this South Africans by minnows like before. Pace bowling is good. Spin is good. Good opening. Good middle order. Even tail batting is good from jansen.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Not like Labu dominated any spinner. He struggle right through the tour here.
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My point still remains. When a part time spinner takes 2 for 34 (bowled to QdK, Markram & Klassen), then it shouldn't be a surprise to see one of the most economical spinners thriving in the same wicket. Australia's struggles against lefties should be taken into account as well
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Last time Aus lost first 2 games 1999......
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Well actually they lost the second & third, the first one was against Scotland which they almost messed up while chasing some 160 ish. Steve was angry beyond imagination, he was literally fuming. He looked scary & a man on mission.
 
soso_killer said:
My point still remains. When a part time spinner takes 2 for 34 (bowled to QdK, Markram & Klassen), then it shouldn't be a surprise to see one of the most economical spinners thriving in the same wicket. Australia's struggles against lefties should be taken into account as well
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Maxie is more than a part timer. He won a game against India with his bowling. He is one of the most vastly improved part timer in recent times. The thing is even on a flattest wicket possible Labu is not going to attack any bowler. He is more a test batsman.
 
Australia has to win everything from here on. They need Travis head back. If he is not playing at all what is the point of keeping him here. Just replace him with someone else.
 
Syed1 said:
Cannot remember the last time Aussies sent over such a weak side to a WC. I've been watching WC cricket since 96 and this team seems the weakest since then
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Definitely the weakest since 1996, they did reach semis in last world cup but didn't think they were great then either.
 
I'm not sure these Aussies are the smartest despite their skills. They must have come out last night and tried to observe the conditions no?

If there was no dew, they should have batted first. If they realised dew was going to come in after 25 overs and still wanted to chase like in a lot of Indian venues, why go hard in the first 25 and lose wickets?

Look to conserve wickets and knock it around before looking to attack with set batsmen after 25th over?

Thoughtless cricket.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Maxie is more than a part timer. He won a game against India with his bowling. He is one of the most vastly improved part timer in recent times. The thing is even on a flattest wicket possible Labu is not going to attack any bowler. He is more a test batsman.
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Markram has won games too. Both are still part timers
 
Nikhil_cric said:
I'm not sure these Aussies are the smartest despite their skills. They must have come out last night and tried to observe the conditions no?

If there was no dew, they should have batted first. If they realised dew was going to come in after 25 overs and still wanted to chase like in a lot of Indian venues, why go hard in the first 25 and lose wickets?

Look to conserve wickets and knock it around before looking to attack with set batsmen after 25th over?

Thoughtless cricket.
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Dew doesn't always fall right after first innings. It takes about 20 overs. Under lights bowlers will get more swing. If they can damage during that phase before dew with that help there is no coming back for the chasing side. That help varies from ground to ground. Their first match messed up their mind somewhat. Going forward they will try to defend.
 
Australia need to get things right in this tournament , if they want to qualify for semifinal.
 
Lungi looking fit and bowling good heat.

His natural accuracy and release height means that he's a massive threat when he bowls that quick.

Often he looks like a hapless trundler bowling just around 130 kph. But he's bowled superbly, no doubt about it.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Dew doesn't always fall right after first innings. It takes about 20 overs. Under lights bowlers will get more swing. If they can damage during that phase before dew with that help there is no coming back for the chasing side. That help varies from ground to ground. Their first match messed up their mind somewhat. Going forward they will try to defend.
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Yeah they should have come out at night and just observed the conditions to see what time the dew sets in.

These changing conditions are very important to understand toss decisions and plan the batting innings etc. Cummins is not the smartest at that.
 
Aussies need to bat out 50 overs , even if they lose , they need to reduce the lose margin.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Yeah they should have come out at night and just observed the conditions to see what time the dew sets in.

These changing conditions are very important to understand toss decisions and plan the batting innings etc. Cummins is not the smartest at that.
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It tells you one thing. Smart teams will do better here. They don't have to be the best. From toss decision, using boundaries strategically, using bowlers strategically, setting fields. So many things have to be right. In Indian conditions MSD was always a master of it. Today Australia dropped the ball at all levels. Toss decision. bowling rotation, field set, fielding, catching.
 
This is good from Australia that they are just hanging and reducing the margin of defeat ..
 
To think Australia was no.1 ranked side in the world in ICC rankings few weeks back :) It tells how ranking has to be taken with a pinch of salt.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
It tells you one thing. Smart teams will do better here. They don't have to be the best. From toss decision, using boundaries strategically, using bowlers strategically, setting fields. So many things have to be right. In Indian conditions MSD was always a master of it. Today Australia dropped the ball at all levels. Toss decision. bowling rotation, field set, fielding, catching.
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Yeah that's why NZ are doing so well. They are the weakest of the top sides but they are such a well planned outfit that they know exactly how to go about their business at each venue. Clinical stuff.

Australia looking like a very one paced side ATM.
 
Devadwal said:
This is good from Australia that they are just hanging and reducing the margin of defeat ..
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Moment they realized the bowling was top class and unplayable they should have rotated the strike and taken the game deep (25 overs). This is a big ground lot of 2s are on offer. Now 127/6 in 30 overs. They could have easily been 150/2 just with singles and twos.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Moment they realized the bowling was top class and unplayable they should have rotated the strike and taken the game deep (25 overs). This is a big ground lot of 2s are on offer. Now 127/6 in 30 overs. They could have easily been 150/2 just with singles and twos.
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Yea wicket in hand is what matters in big chase which few day ago Pakistan done .run rate is any time can increase theses day .
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Moment they realized the bowling was top class and unplayable they should have rotated the strike and taken the game deep (25 overs). This is a big ground lot of 2s are on offer. Now 127/6 in 30 overs. They could have easily been 150/2 just with singles and twos.
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Can't do it with Starc. Needed a couple of batsmen with Marnus. Horrible planning all around.
 
Devadwal said:
Yea wicket in hand is what matters in big chase which few day ago Pakistan done .run rate is any time can increase theses day .
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There was one match in SA , Australia added 100 for 8th or 7th wicket to win a match. The target is too steep now.
 
Jansen going at 9 on a surface where everyone has bowled well. Disappointing really. We can't afford to have passengers. Most games will be closer than this one
 
I must say that the saffers are looking super impressive! I fancy them for this World Cup .

They are one team who on their day could beat anybody !
 
After all the “ chokes “ they have had , even though I am an Indian fan , I wouldn’t mind them winning the World Cup this time
 
SA, such a well balanced team. They have pacers, spinners and part timers. Batting looks solid as ever!
 
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