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"If I’d been in Misbah-ul-Haq’s position, I’d have slowed things down too" : Nasser Hussain

England came so close to beating Pakistan and the achievement would have rivalled 2000 win in the dark in Karachi

People have compared the scenes in Abu Dhabi on Saturday evening with England’s famous win in the dark in Karachi when I was captain 15 years ago.
But make no mistake: if Alastair Cook’s side had pulled off victory over Pakistan, it would have been an even greater achievement.

To have fought back after Pakistan’s first innings of 523, and on a pitch that had absolutely nothing in it for the bowlers, was an amazing effort – made all the more so by Cook’s phenomenal mental toughness, the character shown by Adil Rashid to recover from his first-innings mauling, and the consistent excellence of Jimmy Anderson.

And that’s what England’s performance was based on: real character. They’ve shown that they can come to the UAE and compete with a very good Pakistan side.

Yes, life will get tougher in Dubai, where Pakistan will be able to recall Azhar Ali to strengthen the batting, as well as the leg-spinner Yasir Shah.

But England look an extremely well-balanced side. They have options with the ball and depth with the bat. Crucially, they now have the self-belief.

Another few overs on Saturday evening and they would also have the lead. In Karachi that day we were lucky to have had a very strict umpire in Steve Bucknor, who got so wound up by Pakistan captain Moin Khan’s time-wasting that he told him the game would be played to a finish no matter what. In the end, we could barely see a thing.

Thanks to Bucknor, we ended up with a win that remains among my most treasured as captain – maybe only behind the victory in Sri Lanka a few months later after we had gone 1-0 down and Muttiah Muralitharan was turning it both ways.

But the regulations have changed now. It’s all about light meters, and all the Pakistanis had to do was stay on the right side of the line when it came to eating up time. I felt they did that. And let’s be clear: if I’d been in Misbah-ul-Haq’s position, I’d have slowed things down too.

The question cricket should be asking itself is this: why do you turn the floodlights on, then half an hour later walk off the field with one team needing only 25 to win?

I’d have said exactly the same thing if it had been Pakistan batting. There’s no way it was dangerous out there, but because the umpires had set a precedent earlier in the match with their light meter readings, off they all trooped. It was farcical.

I understand that there are difficulties in seeing the red ball, which is why they’re experimenting with a pink one.

But cricket can’t afford to throw away an exciting finish after five days of grind on a dreadful pitch. They should look to stay out there for as long as possible.

For Cook, victory would have been the perfect conclusion after his astonishing show of concentration.
People are talking about how he doesn’t sweat, but the reason he was able to bat for nearly 14 hours was because of his mental toughness. After all he’s been through over the last couple of years, it said so much for the lad.

And what happened at the end was a useful reminder for England that Pakistan always have a collapse in them – even a relatively calm side led by Misbah.
In Asia, you have to stay in the game, just like we did until the final day of the three-match series in 2000-01. Once you become the only side that can win the game, as England did on Saturday, funny things can happen.
Cook understood that and decided to sit in. If he can inspire England to repeat the trick in Dubai, Pakistan could be in for another surprise.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cr...lled-2000-win-dark-Karachi.html#ixzz3ov8YoOnL
 
If Misbah really wanted to slow things down he wouldn't have used spinners for the first 7-8 overs. Malik and Babar got through their over fairly quick
 
If Misbah really wanted to slow things down he wouldn't have used spinners for the first 7-8 overs. Malik and Babar got through their over fairly quick

But the pacers would have gifted more runs likely.

England can hack it against pacers but they can't against spinners on a slow track with fielders in the boundary.
 
Obviously every one does it. Zimbabwe did it, SL did it at sharjah, we did it yesterday. Its part of the game. We got away with an awful batting performance. 1 nil down in a 3 test match series is disaster.
 
Huh?

Misbah actually played very fairly, even gave a chance to England by not wasting time, taking reviews or bowling fast bowlers up front to waste minutes.

He should get all the credit for being square and fair. No delay tactics I'm afraid. Just taking reviews would've wasted 5-10 minutes.
 
If Misbah really wanted to slow things down he wouldn't have used spinners for the first 7-8 overs. Malik and Babar got through their over fairly quick

But the pacers would have gifted more runs likely.

England can hack it against pacers but they can't against spinners on a slow track with fielders in the boundary.

Didn't waste time by reviews.

Didn't complain even once to the umpires for bad light.

No fake injuries. There was no delay tactic. They were playing normally, rather FAST because of spinners.
 
But the pacers would have gifted more runs likely.

England can hack it against pacers but they can't against spinners on a slow track with fielders in the boundary.
Yea but they could have wasted more time meaning even lesser overs being bowled

Don't think Imran Khan would have been smashed.

He brought in pacers on later when light was decreasing. Which is why he went with the paciest. Different story he almost threw it away
 
Didn't waste time by reviews.

Didn't complain even once to the umpires for bad light.

No fake injuries. There was no delay tactic. They were playing normally, rather FAST because of spinners.

Wasted time with extra intentional field setting changes.

Wasted time with pacers taking unusually long to finish the over.

Umpire SENT BACK the drinks man who came out suddenly.

Pakistan too did try to waste time but didn't do it very properly.

Spinners were used NOT because Pakistan wanted to play in the spirit of cricket but because they were the best bet.

I am sure every team would have done that but this is WHAT happened in the field. ;-)
 
Wasted time with extra intentional field setting changes.

Wasted time with pacers taking unusually long to finish the over.

Umpire SENT BACK the drinks man who came out suddenly.

Pakistan too did try to waste time but didn't do it very properly.

Spinners were used NOT because Pakistan wanted to play in the spirit of cricket but because they were the best bet.

I am sure every team would have done that but this is WHAT happened in the field. ;-)

I don't think there was any epic time wasting. I mean go of course you cannot expect them to play with urgency or try to quicken up things because that is just ridiculous to expect. But game was not slowed down from normal speed by unnecessary amounts otherwise there would have been some official response to it and some whining.

Babar and Malik got through overs fairly quick. Field settings did take time but to be fair correct field settings were very essential for the match to be saved.

Only really unneeded time wasting was Shehzad the twelfth man coming in again and again.
 
Wasted time with extra intentional field setting changes.

Wasted time with pacers taking unusually long to finish the over.

Umpire SENT BACK the drinks man who came out suddenly.

Pakistan too did try to waste time but didn't do it very properly.

Spinners were used NOT because Pakistan wanted to play in the spirit of cricket but because they were the best bet.

I am sure every team would have done that but this is WHAT happened in the field. ;-)

Water boy coming was only once, and was promplty sent back. Who sent him? We don't know, but it was NORMAL part of the game, not a delay tactic, neither a "hasten" tactic. Why should the fielding side "hurry up"? It was just normal, but umpire sent him back.

Field settings were required and were spot on - he was placing fielders according to bowler and batsman, which ended up taking all the catches.

I didn't find any "delay tactic" - they were normal tactics of playing a game, just no "haste tactics".
 
I don't think there was any epic time wasting. I mean go of course you cannot expect them to play with urgency or try to quicken up things because that is just ridiculous to expect. But game was not slowed down from normal speed by unnecessary amounts otherwise there would have been some official response to it and some whining.

Babar and Malik got through overs fairly quick. Field settings did take time but to be fair correct field settings were very essential for the match to be saved.

Only really unneeded time wasting was Shehzad the twelfth man coming in again and again.

Yesterday, they played for a bit longer than normal days, and I believe bowled more overs than previous days. There were no "urgency tactics" by the fielding side, and they shouldn't apply them either.


They were playing normal game.
 
[MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] They did try to slow things down although it was not as bad as SL or ZIM.

There were quite a few fielding changes, the twelfth man was sent on to the field a number of times and Wahab took quite a lot of time to complete his overs.
 
[MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] They did try to slow things down although it was not as bad as SL or ZIM.

There were quite a few fielding changes, the twelfth man was sent on to the field a number of times and Wahab took quite a lot of time to complete his overs.

It was part of the pressure that comes in the final overs, a bit of panic.

Even if any 'tactics' were used, they actually ended up giving Eng more overs than previous days...
 
It was part of the pressure that comes in the final overs, a bit of panic.

Even if any 'tactics' were used, they actually ended up giving Eng more overs than previous days...

That might be because the amount of light remaining isn't exactly the same two days in a row.
 
[MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] They did try to slow things down although it was not as bad as SL or ZIM.

There were quite a few fielding changes, the twelfth man was sent on to the field a number of times and Wahab took quite a lot of time to complete his overs.

What are you saying? Saint Misbah did not waste even a millisecond. In fact, his holiness was speeding things up to ensure England are able to chase the total in time. After all, he defines what 'Spirit of Cricket' is all about. :jf
 
What are you saying? Saint Misbah did not waste even a millisecond. In fact, his holiness was speeding things up to ensure England are able to chase the total in time. After all, he defines what 'Spirit of Cricket' is all about. :jf

Will you now be burning in all the threads? :shafiq Right, carry on, we'll love to see your obsession with your next victim. :najam :savak
 
Nasser was never known as a respectable lad during his playing days. He pushed the limits as hard as anyone and often crossed the line to get the edge. So certainly not someone who gets to decide what is in spirit of cricket and what not. What Pakistan did was appalling and should be condemned by the cricketing community.
 
I am only admiring your passion and commitment. Apparently, all of us are blind and he did not employ time-wasting tactics at all (when he clearly did) and the only time he may have done so, it was not his intention but he was under pressure.

So when is he going to get the Spirit of Cricket Award? They should rename it in his honor. :najam
 
Pakistan were in no hurry, but 'delay tactics' is a strong word. Ask SL or Zim what it is. They burned through their overs apart from Wahab delaying the delivery once. Still remember how you guys were abusing him for not delaying the match by taking reviews. :danish
 
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I am only admiring your passion and commitment. Apparently, all of us are blind and he did not employ time-wasting tactics at all (when he clearly did) and the only time he may have done so, it was not his intention but he was under pressure.

So when is he going to get the Spirit of Cricket Award? They should rename it in his honor. :najam

11 overs per hour is SLOW, people are too blind I guess.
 
Lol @ all the drama here. Not even once have the Pakistani players complained to the umpires unlike the Zimbabweans and Sri lankans. They even started with spinners which isn't a wise move if you want to slow things down.

Yes, the intention was there to delay the proceedings, but it wasnt as bad as it is made to be. I expected more to be honest considering what all the other teams have been doing lately.
 
Did they slow down that much - there was some elementary effort, but not much.

Let's calculate - I think ENG innings started at XX:51 hr & the last ball was bowled at XX:48 hrs - that's 57~58 minutes. That SIX cost about 7 minutes & DRS cost another 2 - net, net I think PAK's over rate was around 14, which is fine, because 4 wickets were down in that small period & that also took about 8-9 extra minutes. Normally, in a session teams bowl 28-29 overs with only 1/2 wickets down.

To be frank, I don't think PAK cricketers are intellectually capable of wasting time without irritating the Umpire/Match referee. Sending Shehzad with water bottle is very raw level tactics, may be I would have asked bowlers to change bowling side (over the wicket/round the wicket) every alternate ball (you can do 3 times in an over within law) - Wahab would have forced a sight screen adjustment - that's 4/5 minutes.
 
10 overs/hr are usually bowled in cricket. We bowled faster, 1 extra over.

Ever watched T20s? 2 hours, 20 overs.


10 overs per hour, you'll be able to bowl only 65 overs in the whole day. Nonsense
 
Lol @ all the drama here. Not even once have the Pakistani players complained to the umpires unlike the Zimbabweans and Sri lankans. They even started with spinners which isn't a wise move if you want to slow things down.

Yes, the intention was there to delay the proceedings, but it wasnt as bad as it is made to be. I expected more to be honest considering what all the other teams have been doing lately.

Strange to see some lining up to call it "pathetic delay tactics". Someone should ask SL or ZIM.
 
10 overs per hour, you'll be able to bowl only 65 overs in the whole day. Nonsense

Overs vary throughout the day, you don't bowl 10, can come to 15 as well. Just tell us if you watched the match or not? And have you seen any "real" delay tactics in the past? SL or Zimbabwe matches?

Where did you see Pak players running to the umpires for calling the match off?
 
Overs vary throughout the day, you don't bowl 10, can come to 15 as well. Just tell us if you watched the match or not? And have you seen any "real" delay tactics in the past? SL or Zimbabwe matches?

Where did you see Pak players running to the umpires for calling the match off?



7-8 mins were wasted, they didn't take long pauses. They smartly did it.
 
Those 7 to 8 mins wasted plus Buttler useless review was the difference otherwise we would have lost the match
 
All the drama queens in this thread need to shush...field changes were required due to match situation and pressure; after all Pak was trying not to loose the game!

With the exception of the 12th man coming in, most probably sent by the coach and not asked by Misbah, I did not see any 'Over the Top' time wasting at any moment...the closest it got was when towards the end they had a team meeting around the last over or two. Pak team played pretty fairly and they choose not to waste time, although they could have as nasir suggested
 
Strange to see some lining up to call it "pathetic delay tactics". Someone should ask SL or ZIM.

They didn't even take their reviews lol! What do people expect now? that we let a part-timer bowl an over in 30 seconds just to satisfy the English pundits? Ridiculous.
 
All the drama queens in this thread need to shush...field changes were required due to match situation and pressure; after all Pak was trying not to loose the game!

With the exception of the 12th man coming in, most probably sent by the coach and not asked by Misbah, I did not see any 'Over the Top' time wasting at any moment...the closest it got was when towards the end they had a team meeting around the last over or two. Pak team played pretty fairly and they choose not to waste time, although they could have as nasir suggested

Some people will go against the team just because they need a chance to attack individuals they hate.
 
Not sure what's there to argue about. The captain is allowed to waste time if it helps the team, there is a fine line.
 
There was no time wasting by Pakistan. Naseer is just bitter.
 
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What happened to big hearts and spirit of cricket ?

That's for folks who have actually never played cricket. It's drivel to win facile arguments because of some deep rooted issues like ipl jealousy etc.
 
I'm stating what I saw, I don't hate Misbah at all

Wasn't for you, mate. :najam

We can all have different opinions but no one can say there was some sort of blatant time wasting tactics which resulted in a draw. Was Pak in a hurry? Hell no. Did they complain of bad light? hell no. Did we waste time by reviews? Fake injuries? Nah.

The day ended at its usual time, with less overs to spare as compared to previous days IIRC.
 
10 overs/hr are usually bowled in cricket. We bowled faster, 1 extra over.

Ever watched T20s? 2 hours, 20 overs.

16.3 Minimum Over Rates

The minimum over rate to be achieved in Test Matches will be 15 overs per hour.

http://icc-live.s3.amazonaws.com/cms/media/about_docs/559921c7a5bb8-1 _Standard_Test_July_2015.pdf

I don't think there was any substantial time-wasting; at the most, maybe a couple more overs should have been bowled in the allocated time, because generally 13 overs/hour is normal nowadays taking all stoppages into account. There were small, subtle tactics such as changing the field, discussing tactics, etc. which is pretty normal IMO.
 
I am only admiring your passion and commitment. Apparently, all of us are blind and he did not employ time-wasting tactics at all (when he clearly did) and the only time he may have done so, it was not his intention but he was under pressure.

So when is he going to get the Spirit of Cricket Award? They should rename it in his honor. :najam

Sure he did but nothing was exaggerated, it would have been better if we had a few guys limping and our players putting pressure on the umpire; have guys collapse and all etc get the physio out; there is no way of proving something is not wrong even in that situation. Misbah merely used some of the oldest tricks in the game such as using his seamer towards the end and took a little time when it came to setting fields but what else was it that he did? there was ahmed shehzad who tried to come on a few times I think but got sent back immediately
 
The 12th came on near the end a few times but that was it.

I didn't see anything over the line. People need to stop whining just for the sake of it.
 
This is Nasser Hussain, not Ian Healy. Nasser as a commentator on cricket is a model professional and is neutral and honest, people saying he's biased or bitter are off the mark.
 
But the pacers would have gifted more runs likely.

England can hack it against pacers but they can't against spinners on a slow track with fielders in the boundary.

Huh?

Misbah actually played very fairly, even gave a chance to England by not wasting time, taking reviews or bowling fast bowlers up front to waste minutes.

He should get all the credit for being square and fair. No delay tactics I'm afraid. Just taking reviews would've wasted 5-10 minutes.

I don't think there was any epic time wasting. I mean go of course you cannot expect them to play with urgency or try to quicken up things because that is just ridiculous to expect. But game was not slowed down from normal speed by unnecessary amounts otherwise there would have been some official response to it and some whining.

Babar and Malik got through overs fairly quick. Field settings did take time but to be fair correct field settings were very essential for the match to be saved.

Only really unneeded time wasting was Shehzad the twelfth man coming in again and again.

I agree with SIF that the spinners were used to reduce the scoring rate. With the pith becoming very slow and gripping on that surface - the english batsman tried to hack it away but struggled with all the fielders on the boundary (they only hit one six which was a short ball of Wahab) and regularly got caught. I am talking about the "laparu" batsman like Bairstow, Moeen, Stokes and Buttler.

We did not use extreme time wasting tactics like the Sri Lankans and the Zimbabweans although Shehzad running onto the field with drinks, Malik feigning an injury after stepping on the ball and our "group meetings" in the last few overs did make me chuckle! :))
 
Lets just put it all into context and look at the facts.

Pakistan bowled 11 overs in approx - 50 to 53 minutes, that included 4 wickets, which also took time out with the batsmen changing, which in turn affects field settings.
Also factor in the couple of minutes used with England taking a review, means that those two factors are/were worth the equivalent of at least 1 - 1.5 overs that could have been bowled instead.

Extrapolate the 50 - 53 minutes actually played into a full hours play equates to at least an 1 - 1.5 overs lost.

Now calculate:

The 11 overs actually bowled
plus the 1 - 1.5 overs lost due to the 4 wickets going down and the England review,
plus the 1 - 1.5 overs that could have been played had the play lasted a full hour instead of only 50 - 53 minutes

Equates to an over-rate of 13 - 14 overs per hour.

At that stage of the match, that's actually quite generous by a fielding captain trying to save a game.
 
^^^Not to forget couple of minutes lost after that six when the ball was lost and no one was in the stand, anyone criticizing Pak team was wasting time is really a fool at best IMO!
 
No point crying now, England had no intention of winning otherwise they should have declared overnight.
 
Lets just put it all into context and look at the facts.

Pakistan bowled 11 overs in approx - 50 to 53 minutes, that included 4 wickets, which also took time out with the batsmen changing, which in turn affects field settings.
Also factor in the couple of minutes used with England taking a review, means that those two factors are/were worth the equivalent of at least 1 - 1.5 overs that could have been bowled instead.

Extrapolate the 50 - 53 minutes actually played into a full hours play equates to at least an 1 - 1.5 overs lost.

Now calculate:

The 11 overs actually bowled
plus the 1 - 1.5 overs lost due to the 4 wickets going down and the England review,
plus the 1 - 1.5 overs that could have been played had the play lasted a full hour instead of only 50 - 53 minutes

Equates to an over-rate of 13 - 14 overs per hour.

At that stage of the match, that's actually quite generous by a fielding captain trying to save a game.

Let's not forget Misbah's shot
 
Let's not forget Misbah's shot
What's that got to do with the points made in my post? The thread's topic is whether Misbah/Pakistan deliberately wasted too much time, much more than should have been allowed by the umpires, when England came to chase the score. And that is what my post was related to.

If you quote my post, make your comments relate to the points in my post that you agree, or disagree, with. Otherwise, why even quote my post ? Think about it.
 
What's that got to do with the points made in my post? The thread's topic is whether Misbah/Pakistan deliberately wasted too much time, much more than should have been allowed by the umpires, when England came to chase the score. And that is what my post was related to.

If you quote my post, make your comments relate to the points in my post that you agree, or disagree, with. Otherwise, why even quote my post ? Think about it.

I'm agreeing with you, I'm not refuting you nor debating with you

Nasser Hussein is claiming he would have took ages just like Misbah did
But what you've pointed out along with Misbahs shot he was more than keen and raring to go
 
I'm agreeing with you, I'm not refuting you nor debating with you

Nasser Hussein is claiming he would have took ages just like Misbah did
But what you've pointed out along with Misbahs shot he was more than keen and raring to go
Oh... OK.
 
Delay tactics were of course employed, but it was done within limits. Good thing is that Pak never complained to the umpires about the bad light. Although Wahab did pretend that he could not really see the ball :))

What cost England more was the stupid review and that six that Bairstow hit.
 
I am only admiring your passion and commitment. Apparently, all of us are blind and he did not employ time-wasting tactics at all (when he clearly did) and the only time he may have done so, it was not his intention but he was under pressure.

So when is he going to get the Spirit of Cricket Award? They should rename it in his honor. :najam

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