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Exactly!
Here I must appreciate Imran Khan and the leadership for keeping people calm. Otherwise it could have been another 9 May type scenario and ECP and Aliens could have delayed the elections on that basis.
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Here I must appreciate Imran Khan and the leadership for keeping people calm. Otherwise it could have been another 9 May type scenario and ECP and Aliens could have delayed the elections on that basis.
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Genius and the alternative by doing nothing will achieve what. Incase you not realised elections or no elections. The powers that be will not allow Imran Khan to ever be PM.
So according to your logic PTI does nothing and Nawaz Sharif comes back into power. If they do something there will be false attacks elections get cancelled and eventually Nawaz Sharif comes back into power anyway.
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So this masterstroke in doing nothing will do what for the PTI
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Yes, that may be true but the games change, conditions change and strategy has to change
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Former Prime Minister Imran Khan said on Thursday that neither he nor Bushra Begum had requested concessions for her in jail.
Speaking to reporters in Adiala Jail after the hearing of the illegal nikkah case, Khan said he had sent a blanket to Bushra Begum the previous night but had only found out on Thursday that she had been shifted to Adiala Jail.
He added that he had not requested any concessions for his wife from anyone and she had came to the jail to surrender as dozens of PTI women are still in jail.
Bushra Begum also told reporters that she was shifted to Bani Gala ‘out of shame’ by authorities after she came to surrender herself. She added that she had not made any deal.
She said that she was told she would be taken to a rest house but was taken to Bani Gala instead. She added that Bani Gala was a sub-jail and ‘not a hotel’.
Bushra added that she had ‘strong faith and was not a coward’ and was ready to be kept wherever authorities wanted.
The couple was sentenced 14 years in prison in the Toshakhana case on Wednesday. Bushra had driven to jail to offer arrest but had been shifted to Bani Gala.
Imran Khan also told reporters that all court decisions against him were coming from ‘above’ and judges were simply puppets.
He also said that Bushra had no link to the Toshakhana case whatsoever. He added that the necklace in question was not from Toshakhana but was gifted by the Saudi ambassador to his house.
He added that he had deposited the jewelery in the Toshakhana himself and would present it in a press conference.
Khan said that no one had apprached him regarding a deal and the whole issue was simply a game for three years of power.
Source: AAJ News
Speaking to reporters in Adiala Jail after the hearing of the illegal nikkah case, Khan said he had sent a blanket to Bushra Begum the previous night but had only found out on Thursday that she had been shifted to Adiala Jail.
He added that he had not requested any concessions for his wife from anyone and she had came to the jail to surrender as dozens of PTI women are still in jail.
Bushra Begum also told reporters that she was shifted to Bani Gala ‘out of shame’ by authorities after she came to surrender herself. She added that she had not made any deal.
She said that she was told she would be taken to a rest house but was taken to Bani Gala instead. She added that Bani Gala was a sub-jail and ‘not a hotel’.
Bushra added that she had ‘strong faith and was not a coward’ and was ready to be kept wherever authorities wanted.
The couple was sentenced 14 years in prison in the Toshakhana case on Wednesday. Bushra had driven to jail to offer arrest but had been shifted to Bani Gala.
Imran Khan also told reporters that all court decisions against him were coming from ‘above’ and judges were simply puppets.
He also said that Bushra had no link to the Toshakhana case whatsoever. He added that the necklace in question was not from Toshakhana but was gifted by the Saudi ambassador to his house.
He added that he had deposited the jewelery in the Toshakhana himself and would present it in a press conference.
Khan said that no one had apprached him regarding a deal and the whole issue was simply a game for three years of power.
Source: AAJ News
No one requested concessions for Bushra: Imran
Bushra says she did not make deal, was told she was being taken to Bani Gala
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And elections on time will makr PTI the winner?
These are staged elections. Having them or not having them makes no difference.
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This is not a cricket match. By changing strategy the outcome is not changing. Long term and definitely not short term
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Even 2018 were staged. What difference does it make?
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You do what you can against guys with guns, that have no morals and will kill to keep their money, power and privilege
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In 1971 the Pakistan Army also had guns but that did not stop the East Bengal populace & Awami League from launching mass protests & full blown revolt against military crackdown
What's stopping the PTI from doing the same ?
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Maybe the small fact that Bengal was on the other side of India?
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You mean people born on the other side of India have more courage & guts than those in current day Pakistan ?
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I mean the army based in east Pakistan probably agreed with the sentiments of Bengal, they didn't want Urdu to be the national language. Much bigger cultural divergences in that dispute than in current day Pakistan where it's more about personalities than cultural rifts.
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My Street 24 Houses, around 120 votes out of which 106 will vote for PTI
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IK knows that he will win and the Establishment will lose. These leeches are offering deals but he aint budging, history is on his side.He doesn't need to sacrifice PK.
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Never has a PK party or leader had so much support. A few thugs with guns and a command structure that requires total obedience is the only thing holding up the people and the end to fascism and tyranny
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I really doubt Imran Khan will get out of jail as long as Asim Munir is in charge. This guys Asim Munir comes across as particularly cold blooded & ruthless. Shaded of Zia ul Haq
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When a dog is fearful, it tightens its bite
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You are slightly wrong.
Yes, its the establishment that will decide.
But convict PM is not going to comeback, PTI can comeback but not the convicted PM. Because Convicted PM was no different than Altaf Hussain. Both made a state within a state and was ready to sabotage the country for their own power.
If the convict wants to run he will be given the option, or else he could rot in adyalla jail and pay for his crimes.
As for the establishment. Look the establishment knows that the biggest problem Pakistan is facing is the economic situation, they figured that Imran was just a useless person when he failed to make any policies to fix the economy, and than started giving free health benefits on IMF loans. The establishment knew back in 2020 that Pakistan will be going towards bankruptcy which is why they decided to boot the Convict from the chair.
For economic policies the Establishment only has the shareefs
The PPP is being kept in case the country turns to radical than the left wing parties are allowed to march in, just like how the army does in Baluchistan with PTM. So PPP is the back up incase taliban or islamic radicalism spreads to the country.
Now the shareefs dont respect the army/establishment, and as soon as they will come to power they will take a shot at the army/establishment.
Problem is, if the PMLN isnt able to fix the economic situation, the next establishment will either have to create another party and fund its campaign like they did for the Convicted PM.
An Army coup is possible within the next 5 years.
To save the economy, Pakistan can go any lengths. The first thing they will try to do is get CPEC running again, if that doesnt work than surely we will be starting a fight with Iran and get funding from USA and Saudi Arabia. We wont with India because for that we would need surety that China would fund us, but China never funds Pakistan in wars or regional politics. USA does.
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Imran khan has stood the ground against Establishment like a legend. None before has faced 200+ bogus cases just to undermine him and demotivate his voters but Imran Khan faced all the pathetic attempts of handlers like an Iron wall.
Many don't realise Feb 8th can be a historic event if voters turnout gets highest.
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Dont think any Establishment will ever make the mistake again. Imran Khan has proven to be the proverbial " bull in china shop"
Others like Nawaz Sharif & Zardari have maintained some restraint in dealing with Establishment. Imran has gone full monty in his war against them. That's admirable from Imran's side but it also means that they will never trust him with power again - come what may
So its pretty much curtains on his career
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The biggest problem Pakistan is facing is that Pakistanis don't fight for their rights. The Establishment tramples them and their rights and they accept it.
Pakistanis talk a big talk about fighting for Palestinians or Kashmiris and taking on India or Israel or NATO or Iran or anyone. First fight for yourself and don't get treated as a mercenary.
Then maybe you can talk about economic development etc etc.
I will give Imran this, he tried to fight. But his people gave up.
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What you are saying is that you have no belief in any democracy and never did.
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Imran fought what. He was a the puppet that was controlled by the establishment and china. He did whatever the establishment told him to. Basically you are saying that the establishment tried to fight.
Pakistan doesnt fight for its rights because we are an illogical nation. We as a nation are high on religion.
The other day, there was no electricity in a gated society of rawalpindi for 5 hours and the people just accepted it. But when the electricity was not there for 30 mins during the jummah prayers in mosque, everyone went crazy andmade videos and went on about how they couldnt pray because the electricity wasnt there.
This is small extract of what pakistani society is like.
As for the kashmir issue, if pakistan does ever get whole kashmir(which will never happen), the only question to be asked is will we be ready to accept the hindu population that will come with it? No chance.
Until and unless this nation could be more logical and not stuck in religion, it is going to be further doomed.
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Again, let me burst the bubble. There is no war between army and convicted pm. If tomr the Establishment says to the convict we will make you pm again.
During the days when he was about to be removed, he was soo desperate that he wanted the Establishment to do a coup
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Pakistanis love complaining and blaming the usual suspects for their troubles.
However will never take no action
If the country was invaded as long as the killing and destruction was limited, wonder what Pakistani civilians do?
Maybe an invasion is the only way to remove the corrupt generals. Not comparing Pakistan to Nazi Germany, or post WWW 2 Japan. However this is what mad a change for them.
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Problem is that some cannot get over the fact that even in jail, Imran commands so much support amongst Pakistanis.
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They offered a deal which he refused. IK has remained calm while the mafia have been running to the toilet. IK doesn't need the establishment, they need him to legitimise their rule. They have Billo and NS to boot polish them but they and the public know they don't have 10% between. Today Sindh would go the the PTI in free elections.
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Despite being rigged the elections in 2018 rigged against him, and being given a weak govt IK has historic achievements behind him and that's why in any free elections he would take somewhere in the 70-80% of the vote. Establishment wanted him out by as early as 2019, well how do we know that, well Diesel told us, but Ind conflct got in the way, then the sazish started again, but Corona got in the way. Who told us? well SS told us that came back to PK to manage Corona. Well PK did better than everyone bar 5 countries and at all at a cost of $15bn, yes you read it. Our external debt hardly increased compared to the trillions others spent. A historic achievement indeed. Look at your pathetic crooks today, 2 years and not a single thing to show.
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But what are those pakistanis doing? Are they fighting the oppressors?
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It's like the good people of Kashmir.
When they are oppressed and ruled over by an outside force there is very little the people can do without sacrificing the lives of women and children
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What is the population of Pakistan?
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At this point the establishment is playing it like a video game. The Pakistani population's indifference has enabled the God mode cheatcode in said game.
Even if the establishment throws a nuclear bomb on Imran and sentences him to 435 years in prison they will do nothing.
"Come out and show your turnout in the elections" is all they've got when more drastic measures are needed.
Even if the establishment throws a nuclear bomb on Imran and sentences him to 435 years in prison they will do nothing.
"Come out and show your turnout in the elections" is all they've got when more drastic measures are needed.
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A trial court on Saturday handed seven-year sentences, each, to Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) founder Imran Khan and his wife Bushra Bibi in the "un-Islamic nikah" case at the Adiala jail today.
The couple have also been fined Rs500,000 each. Both Khan and Bushra were present in the courtroom when the verdict was announced.
The verdict was pronounced by senior civil judge Qudratullah today, a day after the hearing of the case was conducted inside the jail premises for 14 hours a day earlier.
The court had reserved its decision after the arguments were completed yesterday.
The judge issued the court's verdict in the case pertaining to the plea filed by Bushra Bibi's ex-husband Khawar Maneka against what he refers to as an un-Islamic and illegal nikah with the former prime minister.
Four witnesses in the case gave the statements, which were later cross-examined during the proceedings, while Khan and Bushra Bibi also recorded their statements under section 342.
Bushra Bibi, who was placed under house arrest her residence in Banigala following its status declared as a sub-jail, was presented before the court during today's proceedings at Adiala jail. Imran, who remains incarcerated at the facility, and the couple's lawyers were also present at the time of verdict announcement.
Nikah during iddat
Maneka, in his petition, had termed Bushra and Khan’s nikkah “fraudulent” contending that the marriage was solemnised during her iddat — following her divorce with him.
He also accused the former prime minister of ruining his entire life with the petition stating that the PTI top leader “stigmatised the complainant and his family just to achieve his unethical and immoral objects through intrusion in the complainant's peaceful marital life”.
“In light of the above, it is humbly prayed that respondents No.1 [Imran Khan] and 2 [Bushra Bibi] be summoned and punished strictly in accordance with law in the interest of justice,” Maneka prayed to the court.
The couple have also been fined Rs500,000 each. Both Khan and Bushra were present in the courtroom when the verdict was announced.
The verdict was pronounced by senior civil judge Qudratullah today, a day after the hearing of the case was conducted inside the jail premises for 14 hours a day earlier.
The court had reserved its decision after the arguments were completed yesterday.
The judge issued the court's verdict in the case pertaining to the plea filed by Bushra Bibi's ex-husband Khawar Maneka against what he refers to as an un-Islamic and illegal nikah with the former prime minister.
Four witnesses in the case gave the statements, which were later cross-examined during the proceedings, while Khan and Bushra Bibi also recorded their statements under section 342.
Bushra Bibi, who was placed under house arrest her residence in Banigala following its status declared as a sub-jail, was presented before the court during today's proceedings at Adiala jail. Imran, who remains incarcerated at the facility, and the couple's lawyers were also present at the time of verdict announcement.
Nikah during iddat
Maneka, in his petition, had termed Bushra and Khan’s nikkah “fraudulent” contending that the marriage was solemnised during her iddat — following her divorce with him.
He also accused the former prime minister of ruining his entire life with the petition stating that the PTI top leader “stigmatised the complainant and his family just to achieve his unethical and immoral objects through intrusion in the complainant's peaceful marital life”.
“In light of the above, it is humbly prayed that respondents No.1 [Imran Khan] and 2 [Bushra Bibi] be summoned and punished strictly in accordance with law in the interest of justice,” Maneka prayed to the court.
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It's incredible. These people are literally asking "why aren't people fighting the army?" Maybe when they are starving or have no homes to live in they will start chucking stones at the tanks and happily see their families wiped out.
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Yeh which is why he is locked up and cant be freed.
Atleast we saw revolutions in countries where the leader had "so much" support.
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Because majority dont support pti in Pakistan
This is a social media lie spread by these cultist and love to live with this lie and be happy ....
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These horrendous verdicts by state certifies Pakistan handlers as the most filth filled entity.
We should now never blabber about other countries wrongdoings because we ourselves are more worse then Pharoah.
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In which countries did we see revolutions? I am just wondering because this seems to be a popular opinion.
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The unislamic Nikkah charge is a low blow.
Surely Khan knew that he can or can’t marry the lady at the time he got married to her?
Surely Khan knew that he can or can’t marry the lady at the time he got married to her?
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So his marriage was an illegitimate marriage. Funny how the person who wanted to make riasat e madina was himself living in an illegal nikkah.
If Sadiq and Amin could be used to give verdicts, so can this.
I wonder what the rules are, are they going to do the nikkah again or what?
If Sadiq and Amin could be used to give verdicts, so can this.
I wonder what the rules are, are they going to do the nikkah again or what?
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credit goes to the ex husband who filed the case, and i hope he gets some relieve from this.
I feel a shamed that my country used to be represented by such a person.
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You get married lawfully by doing Nikkah, you get in trouble
You fornicate secretly, absolutely no issues lol
You fornicate secretly, absolutely no issues lol
All three verdicts were carefully crafted and were meant to humiliate khan. Khan has been declared corrupt, traitor and immoral through these verdicts within a span of a week. The last verdict was the cherry on top perpetrated by the sadistic military junta.
Pakistan as a country has literally hit rock bottom and there is no hope left for the country after this.
Pakistan as a country has literally hit rock bottom and there is no hope left for the country after this.
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1971 - East Bengal ( Independence from Pakistan )
1979 - Iran ( monarchy deposed)
2011 - Egypt ( Hosni Mubarak was deposed)
2011- Tunisia ( Arab Spring)
1989 - Romania ( Nicholas Ceaucescu got deposed)
1997- Indonesia ( Suharto deposed)
2006 - Nepal ( Monarchy deposed)
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Yes that I agree. Imran Khan is getting the same treatment that Nawaz got in 2018
Only thing is Nawaz did not burn all his bridges with the Army , maintained some restraint , & also had some backing from foreign patrons like Saudis. Imran has gone full monty, burnt all bridges with the Army has no foreign patron backing him bcoz he alienated everyone of them when he was in power
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He clearly over estimated his support base or their zeal to protest
The Farm protestors in India kept protesting non stop for 15 months & forced Modi to backtrack. Nothing like that happened in Pakistan. The protests fizzled out very quickly. After that its mostly online twitter warriors fighting hard on social media but little action on the ground
Either Imran's support base is mostly a social media phenomenon or his fans are actually too weak & cowardly to hit the streets !. Ranting non stop on twitter & social media will take you nowhere.
On a different note Pakistan have never seen large scale protests anytime in history - not when Zulfikar Bhutto was arrested & executed, or when Nawaz was deposed in 1999 or when Benazir Bhutto was assassinated in 2007. That's a sign of weakness in the Pakistan psyche
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80% support says otherwise
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Were the farmers threatened with death, Were their families attacked and woman dragged in their homes, was the constitution suspended and the SC brought?
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Source for this 80% figure?
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What is the might of the USA?
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actually they were threatened with sedition cases. But a big reason why farm protests succeeded was Punjab / Haryana / UP provide big chunk of Indian army recruits & there were fears that harsh action on these framers can lead to serious trouble in Indian army
Now if Imran Khan is actually so popular in Pakistan ( as per you 80% support Imran ) , why does Pakistan army has no such fears. Given that most Pakistani soldiers & officers come from the same social class ?
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US army never does any such stuff on its own citizens. Unlike Pakistan. Big difference
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Honestly mate the quality of some of the posts are just so poor...
They attack foreign based Pakistani's, then they say the people don't have the strength to stand up to the government/military... after that it's "PTi have no support and it's just a social media thing"...
They throw so much mud hoping that something sticks rather then holding mirror up to themselves...
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That's right. Likewise in Iraq where Sadam Hussein reign with an iron fist... similarly in Palestine/Israel...
The US never does the dirty work directly and why should it when you have others to do it for you
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PK Army is very disciplined and that is a good thing, the guys giving the orders are playing god, but others have also done the same before and have ended up 6ft under or BBs case, 1000ft over( reply to @Major). I agree that freedom has to be won.
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In Iraq Saddam Hussain was a Sunni ruling over a Shia majority nation. In Syria its the Shia Assad ruling over Sunni majority nation. In Israel its Jews ruling over Arabs. In such cases its easier to oppress bcoz the soldiers don't have any brotherhood feelings for the victims
In Pakistan its an Establishment ruling over other Pakistanis. That's a key difference.
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When @Major tells you that the majority of the public don’t support PTI then I suggest you take it with a pinch of salt.
There’s a reason why PDM broke the constitution by not holding the provincial elections in the 90 days after the assemblies were dissolved.
There’s a reason why there’s a media black out on IK.
There’s a reason why the Establishment are threatening, torturing and killing PTI workers.
There’s a reason why all these cases are being rushed before the elections.
It’s not because they’re afraid of a minority.
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Because Indian Army does not act as the "government". While in Pakistan, Establishment has full control over govt. decision making.
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And that I believe has let Pakistan to disaster after disaster.
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Pak Establishment works on the orders of the USA.
Imran comprehensively refused to accept to be a poodle to a foreign agenda .
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Ok so the cipher was fake then?
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Dragging his wife and their marriage is pathetic even by pakistani judiciary's standards.
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I always maintain that the cipher story was over exaggerated
Look once US withdrew from Afganistan & Taliban took over, they lost all interest in the region. Right now the US is least bothered about who is in charge in Pakistan. War on terror is distant memory in US foreign policy circles. Their only focus is now China
But Imran knows that the conspiracy theories like " Amreeki Saazish " & " Yahoodi Saazish " plays well with the Pakistani masses & so he milked the whole thing
Joe Biden has better things to do in life than conspire against Imran Khan of all people !
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That's fine but I'm looking something specific that proves 80% of Pakistan's 220+ million population gunning for Imran Khan from @Bewal Express - awaiting his reply.
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Imran also dragged Nawaz's daughter - so is wife is now fair game
That's why in India there is unwritten rule among all political parties - keep family members out of all these dirty games
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War on terror?
Pakistan being a satellite state for the US has nothing to do with the War on Terror.
Isn't it funny when you have the protectors of democracy, the country that sticks in nose into everything suddenly backs the judicial process of Pakistan and has nothing to say about the mass corruption and looting of the country by its political elite?
On the contrary, it continues to provide intelligence, military equipment and "aide" to a country that is run by crooks...
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It's called the vote. It's the reason the Establishment are offering deals and at the same time jailing for more and more stupid cases, which even the mafia are confused with. NS has less people turn up to his jalsas than watch a village cricket game and the less said Billo the better
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He didn't. He has never ever commented on NSs daughters personal affairs, she Is obsessed with and copies everything he does( but it's done poorly
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You mean the daughter that speaks of her father as the next coming of Christ and has been caught red handed?
A daughter who has zero qualifications but has a sense of Devine rigjt to rule over people?
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Why do Inds comment on things they have no clue about.
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Maryam is a politician in public life. Imran Khan's wife is a private person.
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source: just trust me bro.....
The 2018 election on the basis of popular vote and the seats won shows majority does not support pti
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The US only sticks its nose in regions where it has reason for interest. Like Israel / Middle East / Ukraine are areas of interest for US State Dept
Pakistan used to be major area of interest during the days of War on terror. But those days are gone. And post US withdrawal from Afghanistan - their interest in this region as gone to zero. The US has as much interest in pakistan as say Zambia or Uruguay or Fiji. Thats why they are least interested in Pakistan elections. They simply dont care. Thats why these allegations of " Amreeki Saazish " are laughable.
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That doesn't provide a source for your oft-quoted statement of "80% Pakistanis are with Imran Khan". Do you have a source to back this claim?
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Outsider often give u unbiased perspectives on issues where ur own views might be colored by ur extreme biases. I mean u clearly come across as a hardcore Imran fan which is why u simply cannot see anything from the other side
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First of, the case was filed by her ex husband not by the Establishment, and he has valid grievances.
second, this women was politically involved in corruption aswell. She would be scrutinized. And last of all she was the first lady of Pakistan and was involved in magical practices.
Think about Obama's wife being involved in witch craft, teh whole nation would had gone crazy
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Die like a lion or live like a coward. Pathetic nation
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