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Statement from the Press Secretary on the Visit of His Excellency Imran Khan, Prime Minister of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan

President Donald J. Trump will welcome Prime Minister Imran Khan of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to the White House on July 22, 2019. The visit will focus on strengthening cooperation between the United States and Pakistan to bring peace, stability, and economic prosperity to a region that has seen far too much conflict. President Trump and Prime Minister Khan will discuss a range of issues, including counterterrorism, defense, energy, and trade, with the goal of creating the conditions for a peaceful South Asia and an enduring partnership between our two countries.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...han-prime-minister-islamic-republic-pakistan/
 
Can't see much happening unfortunately, Trump is in election mode and he could try belittling Imran Khan in front of the media, knowing it will go down well with his bigoted supporters.

I'll still watch though.
 
Will Imran Khan teach Donald Trump cricket? Imagine fatty Trump trying to bat.
 
Let me guess. Trumpy is going to ask us to mediate another round of talks with the Afghan Taliban so they can leave Afghanistan with some self respect.
 
Asim_khan said:
Can't see much happening unfortunately, Trump is in election mode and he could try belittling Imran Khan in front of the media, knowing it will go down well with his bigoted supporters.

I'll still watch though.
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If so then he dont know what the cheez Khan is.
 
Can't wait for this. Also I think they have more in common than what some make out on here. I'm going to make a bold prediction here - these two will be friends for life. Mark my words.
 
Junaid_ahmed said:
If so then he dont know what the cheez Khan is.
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I expect Khan to fire back, I remember him destroying that silly woman on the drone bombings platform in Washington iirc, however the predicament we're currently in because of these thieving scumbag dynasties, beyond chest thumping for the true patriots, him humiliating Trump won't do much else for the country, and if anything could possibly make it more difficult for us. insha'Allah I'm wrong and simply being pessimistic
 
Bilawal is visiting US a week ahead of Khan and PMLN also started their lobbying in US. Khan isn't going to enjoy a smooth visit this time...
 
WebGuru said:
Bilawal is visiting US a week ahead of Khan and PMLN also started their lobbying in US. Khan isn't going to enjoy a smooth visit this time...
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They'll be lobbying senators and congressmen, expect them to be hobnobbing with right wing Muslim hating pro Israel elements, wanting to take down the pro Palestinians pro jihad Pakistan army. And that scumbag haqqani will be directing traffic.
 
Asim_khan said:
They'll be lobbying senators and congressmen, expect them to be hobnobbing with right wing Muslim hating pro Israel elements, wanting to take down the pro Palestinians pro jihad Pakistan army. And that scumbag haqqani will be directing traffic.
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I can see Ayesha Siddiqa and the other buddies of Haqaani trying their best to milk this opportunity.
 
Bilawal and his ilk will try to create trouble, 100%. Why these thieves are allowed to lobby or wander out of the country is beyond me.
 
topspin said:
Can't wait for this. Also I think they have more in common than what some make out on here. I'm going to make a bold prediction here - these two will be friends for life. Mark my words.
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I agree. This meeting will be good for us.
 
IK will not bow down to whatever Trumps demands are that much is certain. That we are no longer fighting the American war means the only thing left to do is for them to leave Afghanistan or continue being killed by the Taliban. IK will again insist "we don't want your money or aid" to Trump. The meeting will be a face to face like Twitter argument some months back between the two when IK shut up Trump. IK is not a Nawaz Sharif type lapdog who needs patting on the back by Trump or Joe Biden.
 
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The meeting of the two Trumps.

Our Trump will brief their Trump on our vision.
 
Mamoon said:
The meeting of the two Trumps.

Our Trump will brief their Trump on our vision.
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Meanwhile Nawaz Sharif :))) :))) :)))

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Pakpak said:
We are so isolated.
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lol padosi tried hard but failed miserably. Kings visit Pakistan to deposit their money into our accounts & give us their resources for free. Who has that luxury in the world? :P
 
Trump will try his best to keep quite on Kashmir issue, while Imran Khan will try his best to keep quite on Iran issue. Lets see who wins.
 
This time Trump knows he is dealing with a very smart guy who is a true patriot and his country and countrymen come 1st.

He also knows Pakistan needs industries and economic reforms also has a very viabrent youth culture which can help re build Pakistan into a prosparous nation.

He will also be aware that China is now our closest ally and true friend. I think Our PM visit will be a great success.
 
Wow, what a coincidence. I am also arriving in New york city on July 22 for doing my short course. This will be my first time ever landing on the same city that I adored in my teen years. I was so obsessed with Manhattan area as a teenager I used to think that the USA was located on some another advanced planet.

I wonder if Imran Khan was spotting Pakistani Kamiz Shalwar for the meet up oor westerm clothing?
 
rockyboy2018 said:
I wonder if Imran Khan was spotting Pakistani Kamiz Shalwar for the meet up oor westerm clothing?
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Trump focus too much on stuff like this and make fun of it i think IK will wear a suit this time instead of Shalwar Qameez to avoid extra drama.
 
Tough times ahead for Imran supporters

If Trump gets along with Imran, they will be willing to forget and forgive all of Trump's flaws.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Tough times ahead for Imran supporters

If Trump gets along with Imran, they will be willing to forget and forgive all of Trump's flaws.
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Won’t happen. Too much conflict of interest between Pakistan and the US. At best, we’ll see normalization of ties but that’s about it.
 
AdamM97 said:
Won’t happen. Too much conflict of interest between Pakistan and the US. At best, we’ll see normalization of ties but that’s about it.
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US needs Pakistan's assistance in Afghanistan. We stayed neutral in the India-Pakistan conflict. I won't be surprised it Trump says a few positive things for Pakistan.
 
slipcatch said:
What’s your excuse?
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No excuse. Trump is no war-monger. He's a real patriot with American interest first in his heart. He should rightfully appease Pakistan in order to use them for a safe exit from Afghanistan.

I have never been in favor of wars and never will be. We should pull out of Afghanistan as soon as possible.
 
The_Odd_One said:
No excuse. Trump is no war-monger. He's a real patriot with American interest first in his heart. He should rightfully appease Pakistan in order to use them for a safe exit from Afghanistan.

I have never been in favor of wars and never will be. We should pull out of Afghanistan as soon as possible.
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As predicted.

Only a fool would believe he is a patriot and has American interest first in his balls.
 
The_Odd_One said:
No excuse. Trump is no war-monger. He's a real patriot with American interest first in his heart. He should rightfully appease Pakistan in order to use them for a safe exit from Afghanistan.

I have never been in favor of wars and never will be. We should pull out of Afghanistan as soon as possible.
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Very well said. People are really ignorant when it comes to wars.

Bush started 2 wars, Afghanistan and Iraq. Afghanistan had some justification as Bin Laden harbored by the Taliban had attacked the US, but Iraq was started on completely false pretenses. Result of Iraq war is about half a million dead and no end in sight.

Obama helped start the Syrian War, the Ukraine War and Libyan War. The CIA had an active role in both Syria and Ukraine, and Obama had the US Air Force bomb Ghadaffi leading to his overthrow. Result, again half a million dead and no end in sight.

In comparison Trump has started exactly ZERO wars.
 
Napa said:
Very well said. People are really ignorant when it comes to wars.

Bush started 2 wars, Afghanistan and Iraq. Afghanistan had some justification as Bin Laden harbored by the Taliban had attacked the US, but Iraq was started on completely false pretenses. Result of Iraq war is about half a million dead and no end in sight.

Obama helped start the Syrian War, the Ukraine War and Libyan War. The CIA had an active role in both Syria and Ukraine, and Obama had the US Air Force bomb Ghadaffi leading to his overthrow. Result, again half a million dead and no end in sight.

In comparison Trump has started exactly ZERO wars.
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An ignorant response to self-please, surprise, you didn't attached an excel file?

If anyone believe Trump is a patriot and has American interest first in his ball then that person is the biggest fool after KKK.
 
Napa said:
Very well said. People are really ignorant when it comes to wars.

Bush started 2 wars, Afghanistan and Iraq. Afghanistan had some justification as Bin Laden harbored by the Taliban had attacked the US, but Iraq was started on completely false pretenses. Result of Iraq war is about half a million dead and no end in sight.

Obama helped start the Syrian War, the Ukraine War and Libyan War. The CIA had an active role in both Syria and Ukraine, and Obama had the US Air Force bomb Ghadaffi leading to his overthrow. Result, again half a million dead and no end in sight.

In comparison Trump has started exactly ZERO wars.
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Don;t like Trump but facts are facts, he has not and most likely will not start any war.

Busha and Obama have been the biggest culprit . Obama probably the worst. Not only he started problems in middle east including Syria and Libya, he also did not withdraw the troops from Afghaistan during his 8 years.
 
moghul said:
Don;t like Trump but facts are facts, he has not and most likely will not start any war.

Busha and Obama have been the biggest culprit . Obama probably the worst. Not only he started problems in middle east including Syria and Libya, he also did not withdraw the troops from Afghaistan during his 8 years.
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Yes, facts are facts but most people just go with whatever the mainstream media tells them. Media has sold this notion that Obama, the Nobel Prize winner, was some sort of a saintly peacemaker. He was just an Establishment tool.
 
moghul said:
Don;t like Trump but facts are facts, he has not and most likely will not start any war.

Busha and Obama have been the biggest culprit . Obama probably the worst. Not only he started problems in middle east including Syria and Libya, he also did not withdraw the troops from Afghaistan during his 8 years.
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Let’s hope Trump doesn’t go to war with Iran then. Trump is a warmonger, he just uses economic warfare to try maintain American hegemony. Let’s see whether or not Trump can stay out of a potential war with Iran.

In fact, Trump has been worse than Obama when it comes to drone strikes. Obama may have been a bad guy but Trump is worse, make no mistake about it.
 
Napa said:
Yes, facts are facts but most people just go with whatever the mainstream media tells them. Media has sold this notion that Obama, the Nobel Prize winner, was some sort of a saintly peacemaker. He was just an Establishment tool.
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Trump is also an establishment tool. Despite his claims of ’draining the swamp’, he has done nothing but sucking up to the establishment and the large corporations. Trump is a fake populist.
 
AdamM97 said:
Trump is also an establishment tool. Despite his claims of ’draining the swamp’, he has done nothing but sucking up to the establishment and the large corporations. Trump is a fake populist.
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Warmonger neocons like Nuland and her husband Kagan who were very influential in the Bush and Obama admins have lost their power.

Trump cancelled a strike on Iran recently saying that 150 civilian deaths was a disproportionate to the shooting down of a drone. He was extensively criticised by the mainstream media (CNN, MSNBC, Fox etc.) and many neocons and conservatives for doing so.

You would have to all the way back to Jimmy Carter to find a US President who would say that a strike on the "enemy" has been cancelled because of the possibility of civilian deaths.
 
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Khan is going to deal with America not Trump. You won't see him hugging him tightly with emotions of love as Modi did.

Trump is a warmonger, the ignorant folk on here need to look at his advisors and their current policies towards Iran, Ven etc. The orange buffoon is a laughing stock of the world, only right wing racists and deluded Hindu extremists love him.
 
a moment of silence for India's nat sec team and for Pakistani lefty idiots who never read a book after 1971.

A lot can still happen between now and a week, but fingers crossed.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Khan is going to deal with America not Trump. You won't see him hugging him tightly with emotions of love as Modi did.

Trump is a warmonger, the ignorant folk on here need to look at his advisors and their current policies towards Iran, Ven etc. The orange buffoon is a laughing stock of the world, only right wing racists and deluded Hindu extremists love him.
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Spot on. Anything Imran Khan does will be for Pakistan's good. People keep mistaking his intentions as being pal-pal with a known racist.
 
Napa said:
Warmonger neocons like Nuland and her husband Kagan who were very influential in the Bush and Obama admins have lost their power.

Trump cancelled a strike on Iran recently saying that 150 civilian deaths was a disproportionate to the shooting down of a drone. He was extensively criticised by the mainstream media (CNN, MSNBC, Fox etc.) and many neocons and conservatives for doing so.

You would have to all the way back to Jimmy Carter to find a US President who would say that a strike on the "enemy" has been cancelled because of the possibility of civilian deaths.
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He is a committed isolationist and speaking without trolling he is ten times better for Pakistan than OBama or Hillary.
 
Pakpak said:
Spot on. Anything Imran Khan does will be for Pakistan's good. People keep mistaking his intentions as being pal-pal with a known racist.
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Just another poor attack on IK. If he didn't go, they would be attacking him for not keeping relations with the US.

It will be an ironic and iconic moment for me seeing the world biggest bigot and clown in charge of the most powerful nation standing next to one of the worlds most genuine and strong leaders from a country which has struggled for a long time.

Americans are hiding their faces in shame while Pakistani heads are held up high due to the leaders present, who would have thought this?
 
Pete Rose said:
a moment of silence for India's nat sec team and for Pakistani lefty idiots who never read a book after 1971.

A lot can still happen between now and a week, but fingers crossed.
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I don't think Afghanistan is of importance to India's national security, though some in the Indian government believe otherwise.

Suppose Taliban comes to power in Kabul, so what? It will then have to decide whether it wants to modernize its economy. If it does, it has to give up its medieval Islam, which it won't do. Instead it will cling to its 7th century vision and its economy will rot.

After 25 years of rotting, maybe they will change, maybe not. Will they pose a threat to India? An odd Indian airliner may get hijacked, land in Kabul and a passenger have his throat slit like 1999. They may send a few suicide bombers to Kashmir, but nothing we have not already been dealing with.

The real victims will be the Afghani common people. The important issue for India is to maintain 7%+ GDP growth rates, a Taliban government in Kabul isn't going to affect that.
 
Napa said:
I don't think Afghanistan is of importance to India's national security, though some in the Indian government believe otherwise.

Suppose Taliban comes to power in Kabul, so what? It will then have to decide whether it wants to modernize its economy. If it does, it has to give up its medieval Islam, which it won't do. Instead it will cling to its 7th century vision and its economy will rot.

After 25 years of rotting, maybe they will change, maybe not. Will they pose a threat to India? An odd Indian airliner may get hijacked, land in Kabul and a passenger have his throat slit like 1999. They may send a few suicide bombers to Kashmir, but nothing we have not already been dealing with.

The real victims will be the Afghani common people. The important issue for India is to maintain 7%+ GDP growth rates, a Taliban government in Kabul isn't going to affect that.
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I half agree here.
If looked through Natsec considerations only, it is a waste of effort (but you cant blame India for it, Pakistani backed militants have caused havoc in Kashmir/Kargil in the past - so India had to retaliate). Close ties with Afghanistan and Iran is something that will always make Paksitani natsec folks nervous.

I think it is right for India for economic reasons to focus on Afghanistan and Iran. Post withdrawal and post Iran deal re-fix: the opportunity for Indian companies to build to construct to trade will be huge. A stable Afghanistan will also give India opportunity to think of oil and gas pipelines.

India cannot become the world's factory like china and hope to get 7% growth. The great game is afoot, but it should be done to safeguard its economic interests, not for election slogans on what you will do to Pakistan.

I know its naive and India has been let down in the past but it is once against time to test waters on whether peace with Pakistan is possible on its terms (no cross border stuff). There's a huge trade opportunity there. but for that Indian politicians need to rise above confrontation as electoral strategy. Our guys have learned the lessons. We cannot afford our dreams of Kashmir through terrorism.
 
Pete Rose said:
I half agree here.
If looked through Natsec considerations only, it is a waste of effort (but you cant blame India for it, Pakistani backed militants have caused havoc in Kashmir/Kargil in the past - so India had to retaliate). Close ties with Afghanistan and Iran is something that will always make Paksitani natsec folks nervous.

I think it is right for India for economic reasons to focus on Afghanistan and Iran. Post withdrawal and post Iran deal re-fix: the opportunity for Indian companies to build to construct to trade will be huge. A stable Afghanistan will also give India opportunity to think of oil and gas pipelines.

India cannot become the world's factory like china and hope to get 7% growth. The great game is afoot, but it should be done to safeguard its economic interests, not for election slogans on what you will do to Pakistan.

I know its naive and India has been let down in the past but it is once against time to test waters on whether peace with Pakistan is possible on its terms (no cross border stuff). There's a huge trade opportunity there. but for that Indian politicians need to rise above confrontation as electoral strategy. Our guys have learned the lessons. We cannot afford our dreams of Kashmir through terrorism.
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You are right that Afghanistan is important to India's national security people, and foreign service. But like all other countries, these people don't work for their countrymen but engage in a power struggle with other countries. The wars in Syria and Ukraine don't benefit the average American just like the the proxy war in Kashmir doesn't benefit the average Pakistani.

Countries like Afghanistan and Iran are too volatile. You never know when they blow up due to religious regions (like they are right now). Iran didn't have to pick a fight with Israel which has massive influence on the US. If it had left Israel alone and instead concentrated on developing its economy it would not be in the dire straits it is right now. But its religious leadership is either dumb or doesn't care about secular matters like economic growth. In Afghanistan also we are now faced with the imminent prospect of government takeover by religious fundamentalists.

Iran and Afghanistan as future markets for Indian firms is a possibility, but not something I would bet on. India needs to have manufacturing move to India. Currently, manufacturing is fleeing China for Vietnam and India needs to get a slice of that pie. As it is a major market, it can use that as leverage to make firms move their manufacturing to India.

There is no warmth in Iran-India relationship. The Shah supplied weapons to Pakistan to kill Indians in a war and the current government has provided no restitution. So a business relationship is what we have with Iran, and if dumping Iran and going along with the US makes business sense, we will do so.

Though there are many well-intentioned Pakistanis, unfortunately I do not see any improvement in India-Pakistan relationship until Pakistan figures out the role of its Army in domestic affairs. It should be blindingly obvious that the Pakistani Army treats the country as its fiefdom. To justify its domestic supremacy the Army needs an external enemy, and India is the most obvious one. So there may be temporary improvements in relations, the Army will always create tension with India as they did by starting the Kargil War when Nawaz and Vajpayee were making breakthroughs in improving relations.

Right now, as its fief is going bankrupt, the Pakistani Army desires peace. A prosperous fief is more pleasant than a bankrupt one. I know this sounds awfully cynical, but I think realistically once this economic crisis is past, the dynamic of need for an external enemy to justify its domestic supremacy will again push the Army to resume its low-level war against India.
 
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Napa said:
You are right that Afghanistan is important to India's national security people, and foreign service. But like all other countries, these people don't work for their countrymen but engage in a power struggle with other countries. The wars in Syria and Ukraine don't benefit the average American just like the the proxy war in Kashmir doesn't benefit the average Pakistani.

Countries like Afghanistan and Iran are too volatile. You never know when they blow up due to religious regions (like they are right now). Iran didn't have to pick a fight with Israel which has massive influence on the US. If it had left Israel alone and instead concentrated on developing its economy it would not be in the dire straits it is right now. But its religious leadership is either dumb or doesn't care about secular matters like economic growth. In Afghanistan also we are now faced with the imminent prospect of government takeover by religious fundamentalists.

Iran and Afghanistan as future markets for Indian firms is a possibility, but not something I would bet on. India needs to have manufacturing move to India. Currently, manufacturing is fleeing China for Vietnam and India needs to get a slice of that pie. As it is a major market, it can use that as leverage to make firms move their manufacturing to India.

There is no warmth in Iran-India relationship. The Shah supplied weapons to Pakistan to kill Indians in a war and the current government has provided no restitution. So a business relationship is what we have with Iran, and if dumping Iran and going along with the US makes business sense, we will do so.

Though there are many well-intentioned Pakistanis, unfortunately I do not see any improvement in India-Pakistan relationship until Pakistan figures out the role of its Army in domestic affairs. It should be blindingly obvious that the Pakistani Army treats the country as its fiefdom. To justify its domestic supremacy the Army needs an external enemy, and India is the most obvious one. So there may be temporary improvements in relations, the Army will always create tension with India as they did by starting the Kargil War when Nawaz and Vajpayee were making breakthroughs in improving relations.

Right now, as its fief is going bankrupt, the Pakistani Army desires peace. A prosperous fief is more pleasant than a bankrupt one. I know this sounds awfully cynical, but I think realistically once this economic crisis is past, the dynamic of need for an external enemy to justify its domestic supremacy will again push the Army to resume its low-level war against India.
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I dont have any particular insight on the warmth or lack of in India/Iran relations. I will however point out that Iran Israel hostility is not a recent phenomenon, and it never got in the way of India buying oil. Saudi Arabia is a similar theocracy and few have issues buying oil from it.
Regarding India taking over China's status as factory of the world: time is ticking, you can only get away with claiming false GDP growth figures for too long.
As for what the Shah did or did not do: if Russia, Pakistan, US can share a table to discuss Afghanistan despite the bitter history there, I highly doubt India is guided by sentiment of past bitterness.
This is a largely illiberal world that is increasingly transactional and short term focused: there's no room for value judgement when it comes sovereignty and economic growth.
 
Pete Rose said:
I dont have any particular insight on the warmth or lack of in India/Iran relations. I will however point out that Iran Israel hostility is not a recent phenomenon, and it never got in the way of India buying oil. Saudi Arabia is a similar theocracy and few have issues buying oil from it.
Regarding India taking over China's status as factory of the world: time is ticking, you can only get away with claiming false GDP growth figures for too long.
As for what the Shah did or did not do: if Russia, Pakistan, US can share a table to discuss Afghanistan despite the bitter history there, I highly doubt India is guided by sentiment of past bitterness.
This is a largely illiberal world that is increasingly transactional and short term focused: there's no room for value judgement when it comes sovereignty and economic growth.
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I think India is quite ready to do business with Iran and does not wish it harm. India will however not take a loss to help out Iran like it will for Russia. Having grown up in India I have a fair understanding of Indians feelings about Russia.

India did not have to antagonize the US and other Western nations by supporting Russia on Crimea, but it did so. Nor does it have to give $5 billion for SS-400 which will be invaluable for the Russian defence industry, but it will do so.

While mostly relations between nations are guided by short-term considerations, for India and Russia it is a bit different. When Russia was led by the drunkard Yeltsin who bowed to the West it was a different (the cryogenic engine technology transfer for the GSLV being cancelled) but with Putin in charge the warmth has returned.

I thought during the Shah's time, relations with Israel were pretty good. The problem with Iran's theocratic leaders is that they care more about fighting the "Great Satan" and "wipe Israel off the map", than the welfare of their own people. Their "struggle" against US and Israel matches their worldview. They are not the victims here, a lot of the pain is self-inflicted. Indians may have some sympathy for their plight, but not enough good history with Iran to take a loss to help them.
 
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An interview to VOA just a few days before IK visit to US they are so predictable... (she should ask her dad and uncle about the boot polishing skills)

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cric_man said:
Yup Patriot Cadet Bone Spurs. When it was time to serve, he chickened out 5 times.
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Just because one did not serve in the military, it does not make them any less patriotic. How many times have U-turn Khan served in the Pakistani army? Yet, for his blind supporters, he's the most patriotic person in Pakistan.
 
slipcatch said:
As predicted.

Only a fool would believe he is a patriot and has American interest first in his balls.
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Actions speak louder than words. All of Trump's policies will benefit America only in the long run. He knows how to deliver unlike that useless Obama.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Just because one did not serve in the military, it does not make them any less patriotic. How many times have U-turn Khan served in the Pakistani army? Yet, for his blind supporters, he's the most patriotic person in Pakistan.
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False equivalence. I'm sure Imran would serve in the army had it been obligatory. Trump on the other hand, is a draft dodger.
 
Napa said:
Very well said. People are really ignorant when it comes to wars.

Bush started 2 wars, Afghanistan and Iraq. Afghanistan had some justification as Bin Laden harbored by the Taliban had attacked the US, but Iraq was started on completely false pretenses. Result of Iraq war is about half a million dead and no end in sight.

Obama helped start the Syrian War, the Ukraine War and Libyan War. The CIA had an active role in both Syria and Ukraine, and Obama had the US Air Force bomb Ghadaffi leading to his overthrow. Result, again half a million dead and no end in sight.

In comparison Trump has started exactly ZERO wars.
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The myth that Trump is a war-monger has been already killed. He's far more benevolent for Islamic countries than the hypocrite Obama who as you rightly pointed poked his nose in several Islamic countries.
 
AdamM97 said:
False equivalence. I'm sure Imran would serve in the army had it been obligatory. Trump on the other hand, is a draft dodger.
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You missed the point. Serving in military does not give one the certificate of patriotism.
 
AdamM97 said:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2...rump-drone-strikes-far-exceed-obama-s-numbers

I can see how benevolent President Cheetos is.
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Drone strikes are only continuation of wars which have already started, and are a minor part of any war. The fact that SE Cupp (a well know Trump hater) is mentioning only drone strikes should be a clue that she has nothing else to criticize Trump about.

Over half a million people have died in the Syrian War which Obama helped start. In comparison about a thousand people have died in drone strikes which are targeted and cause less civilian casualties compared to the alternative means of prosecuting wars.

Once a war already exists, Trump has a choice. He can cut and run, or he can try to continue it in a way that has the least civilian and American casualties.
 
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I agree, but someone who is a draft dodger is certainly not a patriot.
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I personally know Americans who dodged the draft as they did not want to go to Vietnam and have their limbs blown off in a war they did not believe in, but are quite patriotic otherwise.
 
Napa said:
I personally know Americans who dodged the draft as they did not want to go to Vietnam and have their limbs blown off in a war they did not believe in, but are quite patriotic otherwise.
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Do you honestly believe Donald is a conscientious objector?
 
WebGuru said:
An interview to VOA just a few days before IK visit to US they are so predictable... (she should ask her dad and uncle about the boot polishing skills)

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Lmao, she really is thick. Her father not only served under the worst dictator in our history but also was made by him. Then not only that, her father took ISI money to overthrow Benazir in 1992 in the now famous Mehran Bank scandal. She herself was married off to an Army captain. :)) And now Nawaz only came back to power after agreeing to polish Musharraf's boots under the NRO and under the blessing off yet another dictator.

Absolute vermin is PMLN.
 
cric_man said:
Do you honestly believe Donald is a conscientious objector?
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People who dodged the draft because they did not want their limbs blown off were not conscientious objectors, they were acting on a much more basic instinct of self-preservation.

Whether Trump believed or not in the Vietnam War is anyone's guess, I would think most likely not.
 
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Pakpak said:
Lmao, she really is thick. Her father not only served under the worst dictator in our history but also was made by him. Then not only that, her father took ISI money to overthrow Benazir in 1992 in the now famous Mehran Bank scandal. She herself was married off to an Army captain. :)) And now Nawaz only came back to power after agreeing to polish Musharraf's boots under the NRO and under the blessing off yet another dictator.

Absolute vermin is PMLN.
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Haha so true and she was doing the boot polishing and remained silent for last 8 months because she thought NRO is on cards
 
The_Odd_One said:
Actions speak louder than words. All of Trump's policies will benefit America only in the long run. He knows how to deliver unlike that useless Obama.
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Trump is not a patriot and you are a fool to believe he is.

You want to discuss Obama, open up a thread, let's stick to the argument, that Trump is a patriot and he would bust his balls for this country before he would expose his balls force them on any female.
 
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slipcatch said:
Trump is not a patriot and you are a fool to believe he is.

You want to discuss Obama, open up a thread, let's stick to the argument, that Trump is a patriot and he would bust his balls for this country before he would expose his balls force them on any female.
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Trump has a vision to make America great again. As I said before, all of his policies will benefit America. That makes him a patriot for me. He does not have to go to Iraq and fight an unnecessary war to prove it.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Trump has a vision to make America great again. As I said before, all of his policies will benefit America. That makes him a patriot for me. He does not have to go to Iraq and fight an unnecessary war to prove it.
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Sure. LOL

Does it make him racist, too? or it only apply to deis for you and not him because he is white?
 
The_Odd_One said:
Which further proves that Trump is peace loving and he does not like wars.
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Racist aren't peace loving, peace loving mean, you do not degrade and support the Klan, who would not waste a second to bury you if they could.

LOL
 
The Odd One,

Please stop trolling..
It makes a mockery of a perfectly good thread.
 
slipcatch said:
Sure. LOL

Does it make him racist, too? or it only apply to deis for you and not him because he is white?
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Desis are the biggest racists in the world. It is perfectly OK for them to call others ****, chapta, ****, etc.

Brie Larson got away with her comments on white men. Liam Neeson was bashed left and right for sharing an incident that happened several years ago (he did not even harm anyone).

There is a clear discrimination if one has an open mind to see.
 
slipcatch said:
Racist aren't peace loving, peace loving mean, you do not degrade and support the Klan, who would not waste a second to bury you if they could.

LOL
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The constitution and the law of the US protects its citizens regardless of the color of the skin. Guess who wrote the constitution? Hint, they did not immigrate from Somalia.
 
Mamoon said:
The meeting of the two Trumps.

Our Trump will brief their Trump on our vision.
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Can your Trump take the four horsewomen of the apocalypse to Pakistan with him? Their incompetence and big heads will make them a good fit for PTI.
 
'Austerity drive': PM Imran to fly on commercial flight to US

As part of the government’s “austerity drive”, Prime Minister Imran Khan will fly to the United States on a commercial flight rather than a charter plane, a PM aide has confirmed.

“PM Imran Khan will fly to Washington by Qatar Airways,” Naeemul Haq tweeted on Thursday.

In his maiden visit to the US, the prime minister will travel from July 21-23 on the invitation of President Donald Trump in a bid to reset the strained relations between the two countries.

Since coming into power, PM Imran had vowed to adopt austerity, and cut back on government expenses unlike his predecessors. However, this will be the first time he will travel on a commercial plane for official visits. Earlier, he used a private plane for state visits to countries including the UAE and Malaysia.

Meanwhile, sources claimed that the PM, during his state visit, may stay at Pakistani envoy’s official residence in Washington instead of a hotel.

Federal Minister Murad Saeed had claimed on Wednesday that former premier Nawaz Sharif incurred an expenditure of $460,000 during his 2015 US visit, whereas PM Imran’s visit will cost the public $60,000 only.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2016403/1-austerity-drive-pm-imran-fly-commercial-flight-us/
 
Abdullah719 said:
'Austerity drive': PM Imran to fly on commercial flight to US

As part of the government’s “austerity drive”, Prime Minister Imran Khan will fly to the United States on a commercial flight rather than a charter plane, a PM aide has confirmed.

“PM Imran Khan will fly to Washington by Qatar Airways,” Naeemul Haq tweeted on Thursday.

In his maiden visit to the US, the prime minister will travel from July 21-23 on the invitation of President Donald Trump in a bid to reset the strained relations between the two countries.

Since coming into power, PM Imran had vowed to adopt austerity, and cut back on government expenses unlike his predecessors. However, this will be the first time he will travel on a commercial plane for official visits. Earlier, he used a private plane for state visits to countries including the UAE and Malaysia.

Meanwhile, sources claimed that the PM, during his state visit, may stay at Pakistani envoy’s official residence in Washington instead of a hotel.

Federal Minister Murad Saeed had claimed on Wednesday that former premier Nawaz Sharif incurred an expenditure of $460,000 during his 2015 US visit, whereas PM Imran’s visit will cost the public $60,000 only.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2016403/1-austerity-drive-pm-imran-fly-commercial-flight-us/
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Why can't NuH shut up for once? He talks too much and give out so many unnecessary details in public
 
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