India [202/6] beat England [127] by 75 runs in the third T20I, win series 2-1

[Ankit007]

This was flat.

Ashwin is no Jaddu on pattas either

bro there was spin here...

 

[Pollack]

Exactly.

Humble pies for them

Exactly

 

[JaDed]

This was flat.

Ashwin is no Jaddu on pattas either

It wasn't Aussie flat,it was Indian flat also remaining low but Mishy even imo is defn better T20 but not ODI.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

This was flat.

Ashwin is no Jaddu on pattas either

Hardly. There was enough turn and grip in the wicket. Unusual for the Chinnaswamy actually.

 

[sarthak]

One of those good days of cricket for us where everything clicked except the one who always clicks for us

Haha. Yeah, but I guess thats the best thing for India, else they're far too dependent on him.

 

[Stark]

.. but I guess thats the best thing for India, else they're far too dependent on him.

Yes abs. These wins are important as these ll go down as confidence boosters for the rest.

 

[JaDed]

Haha. Yeah, but I guess thats the best thing for India, else they're far too dependent on him.

Yes and we looked better.

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

India got three 55 partnership in 20 over match with Kohli getting out early, is really a remarkable thing.

 

[Pollack]

Ravi shashtri is a poor presenter

 

[JattMaula]

Good news.

This is the pitch for second test vs Australia.

 

[JaDed]

Ravi shashtri is a poor presenter

On skysports they were like Ravi Shastri with presentation now,which probably will be a long one

 

[street cricketer]

Would have liked to see Pant opening the innings.

 

[Saurav]

Hardly. There was enough turn and grip in the wicket. Unusual for the Chinnaswamy actually.

England made it look lot worse than it was.We scored 200 here

 

[JaDed]

Ravi: Yahan spinners bahut Maar khaate hai

 

[Pollack]

Kohli is a yuvraj fan boy

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

So what has IPL given Indian Cricket? I hope some found the answer today.

Meh. You should have asked this question after the T20 world cup last year. We are still relying on old horses like dhoni, yuvi, raina, nehra andmishra.

 

[Ankit007]

Guys Kohli just admitted that he wanted to bring Hardik but they(Dhoni) bought Bumrah. They do everything like bowling changes, field settings etc and I dont have to do much... Its a matter of time that I take decisions....

 

[IgnitedMind]

kohli giving credit to dhoni and ashish for decisions on ground....great to see...no egos !!

 

[IgnitedMind]

Guys Kohli just admitted that he wanted to bring Hardik but they(Dhoni) bought Bumrah. They do everything like bowling changes, field settings etc and I dont have to do much... Its a matter of time that I take decisions....

Takes confidence to acknowledge that ! I hope he learns from there whatever time they have

 

[Pollack]

Guys Kohli just admitted that he wanted to bring Hardik but they(Dhoni) bought Bumrah. They do everything like bowling changes, field settings etc and I dont have to do much... Its a matter of time that I take decisions....

Great team environment. Kohli is much humble off field.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Kohli is a yuvraj fan boy

after the six sixes, we all are. The gut fought with cancer and came back and still playing like a legend

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Meh. You should have asked this question after the T20 world cup last year. We are still relying on old horses like dhoni, yuvi, raina, nehra andmishra.

So one one hand you don't want old horses dropped (even for meaningless T20Is) but one another hand, you will mock IPL to have done nothing for India.

Haha.

 

[JaDed]

Nasser urging Root to try IPL(he is not giving the name) to soak up pressure of crowd.Sky is remarkable they ask tough questions to their management!

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Guys Kohli just admitted that he wanted to bring Hardik but they(Dhoni) bought Bumrah. They do everything like bowling changes, field settings etc and I dont have to do much... Its a matter of time that I take decisions....

Dhoni proving why he is a gun LOI captain.

Kohli (sadly) showing why RCB never won any IPLs.

 

[Pollack]

after the six sixes, we all are. The gut fought with cancer and came back and still playing like a legend

He is loved by all Indian fans. Kohli was responsible for bringing yuvi to rcb. He admitted he was very keen to have him in the team.This when he is a complete failure in IPL.

 

[Ankit007]

Dhoni proving why he is a gun LOI captain.

Kohli (sadly) showing why RCB never won any IPLs.

He He... But he will learn soon I hope...

 

[JaDed]

Dhoni proving why he is a gun LOI captain.

Kohli (sadly) showing why RCB never won any IPLs.

I know he was actually thinking about bringing Pandya when 2 wickets were remaining?I for all assumed that would be Dhoni but it was Kohli!

 

[King Kong]

Dhoni proving why he is a gun LOI captain.

Kohli (sadly) showing why RCB never won any IPLs.

Sadly, Dhoni is considered one of the worst T20 players despite playing many match-winning knocks in IPL. So IPL performances/results don't matter. Kohli will better him in internationals as a captain.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Sadly, Dhoni is considered one of the worst T20 players despite playing many match-winning knocks in IPL. So IPL performances/results don't matter. Kohli will better him in internationals as a captain.

Cos Dhoni is one of the worst T20I players out there. He was great in IPLs (not so in last season) but if you click in IPL and flop in T20I, there will be more criticism than the other way around.

 

[Ankit007]

Cos Dhoni is one of the worst T20I players out there. He was great in IPLs (not so in last season) but if you click in IPL and flop in T20I, there will be more criticism than the other way around.

He is bad because he needs time to play and in T20 you need to hit right from the start so its better I think that he bats above in batting order...

 

[Drreddymd]

So one one hand you don't want old horses dropped (even for meaningless T20Is) but one another hand, you will mock IPL to have done nothing for India.

Haha.

Ipl is the mother of all evils in indian cricket according to him. So u cannot convince him even if ipl players perform. Evem mishra was identified and given chances after ipl performances

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

So one one hand you don't want old horses dropped (even for meaningless T20Is) but one another hand, you will mock IPL to have done nothing for India.

Haha.

Sorry bro no offence but your posting quality and sensibility is losing here day by day. Oldies are still playing for india because IPL hasn't created any good replacements for them yet. Now don't say they didn't get any chance. Who are the big hitters and finishers in IPL? Why are our selectors keep selecting yuvi, raina and nehra again and again for meaningless T20's?

Yes I do criticise IPL but atleast I don't wish India to lose a match just to prove my point here.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Ipl is the mother of all evils in indian cricket according to him. So u cannot convince him even if ipl players perform. Evem mishra was identified and given chances after ipl performances

What happened bro? You don't have anything to say about dhoni and yuvi today?

 

[street cricketer]

England's last 2 overs read

Wow wow wow

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Sorry bro no offence but your posting quality and sensibility is losing here day by day. Oldies are still playing for india because IPL hasn't created any good replacements for them yet. Now don't say they didn't get any chance. Who are the big hitters and finishers in IPL? Why are our selectors keep selecting yuvi, raina and nehra again and again for meaningless T20's?

Yes I do criticise IPL but atleast I don't wish India to lose a match just to prove my point here.

You don't criticise IPL mate.

You hate it to the core and you use confirmation bias to justify your viewpoint.

Its due to IPL, Kedhar Jadhav got recognition.
Its due to IPL, Ashwin got recognition.
Its due to IPL, Jaddu got recognition.
Its due to IPL, Chahal got recognition.
Its due to IPL, Bumrah got recognition.
Its due to IPL, Pandya was fast tracked.
Its due to IPL, people (as in selectors too) have an eye on Mayank, Gurukeerat, Deepak Hooda, Pant, Kuldeep etc.

Can you deny all the points I just made? Even 1 case can you deny?

IPL is not the only criteria for Indian selection but it does tell you where someone stands in terms of handling pressure. Plus it reveals who has raw potential which allows selectors to fast track them to national side.

Buttler ON RECORD has said the biggest development he had as a player in all formats was due to IPL. This is coming from a guy who could have easily not said it or said some vague stuff about IPL being a great training ground for T20s, etc, etc.

 

[Drreddymd]

Thanks to dhoni, yuvi, raina and mishra. India won the series.

And sad day for those who were wishing to see their team losing just because their favs aren't playing.

Sad day for ipl haters as well because chahal, pandya, bumrah, mishra performed as well

 

[Drreddymd]

Exactly.

A slap on the face for ipl haters as well right?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Ipl is the mother of all evils in indian cricket according to him. So u cannot convince him even if ipl players perform. Evem mishra was identified and given chances after ipl performances

Yeah....Mishra was able to comeback due to IPL.

In the old times, he would have been rotting in the domestics after getting dropped.

IPL gives EVERYONE chances.

 

[Drreddymd]

What happened bro? You don't have anything to say about dhoni and yuvi today?

Because my internet is down. Thats why

 

[JattMaula]

IPL is NOT for identifying talent. [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]

It's just showcase for already good domestic players. All the players you mentioned did perform in real domestics.

 

[Drreddymd]

You don't criticise IPL mate.

You hate it to the core and you use confirmation bias to justify your viewpoint.

Its due to IPL, Kedhar Jadhav got recognition.
Its due to IPL, Ashwin got recognition.
Its due to IPL, Jaddu got recognition.
Its due to IPL, Chahal got recognition.
Its due to IPL, Bumrah got recognition.
Its due to IPL, Pandya was fast tracked.
Its due to IPL, people (as in selectors too) have an eye on Mayank, Gurukeerat, Deepak Hooda, Pant, Kuldeep etc.

Can you deny all the points I just made? Even 1 case can you deny?

IPL is not the only criteria for Indian selection but it does tell you where someone stands in terms of handling pressure. Plus it reveals who has raw potential which allows selectors to fast track them to national side.

Buttler ON RECORD has said the biggest development he had as a player in all formats was due to IPL. This is coming from a guy who could have easily not said it or said some vague stuff about IPL being a great training ground for T20s, etc, etc.

Why u r taking pains to explain it to him when he is convinced that ipl should be eradicated from the face of the earth

 

[Mp812]

Yeah....Mishra was able to comeback due to IPL.

In the old times, he would have been rotting in the domestics after getting dropped.

IPL gives EVERYONE chances.

not everyone

 

[Drreddymd]

IPL is NOT for identifying talent. [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]

It's just showcase for already good domestic players. All the players you mentioned did perform in real domestics.

With out ipl there is no out let for them to show their skills

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

IPL is NOT for identifying talent. [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]

It's just showcase for already good domestic players. All the players you mentioned did perform in real domestics.

IPL is a place mainly for recognition for players. Our selectors won't pick players for the national team if IPL performance isn't backed by some domestic performances.

However without IPL, many domestic performers would be rotting. Not all but many.

Sometimes players can be identified via IPL too if they have raw potential.

Plus IPL brings in financial stability which will attract more talent in the future too. This is an intangible benefit.

 

[JattMaula]

With out ipl there is no out let for them to show their skills

In IPL we the fans notice the players for first time but these players slog year after year in domestics where selectors notice and monitor them.

 

[JattMaula]

IPL is a place mainly for recognition for players. Our selectors won't pick players for the national team if IPL performance isn't backed by some domestic performances.

However without IPL, many domestic performers would be rotting. Not all but many.

Sometimes players can be identified via IPL too if they have raw potential.

Plus IPL brings in financial stability which will attract more talent in the future too. This is an intangible benefit.

Agreed about financials. But please tell me about those raw players "identified" by IPL teams.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

You don't criticise IPL mate.

You hate it to the core and you use confirmation bias to justify your viewpoint.

Its due to IPL, Kedhar Jadhav got recognition.
Its due to IPL, Ashwin got recognition.
Its due to IPL, Jaddu got recognition.
Its due to IPL, Chahal got recognition.
Its due to IPL, Bumrah got recognition.
Its due to IPL, Pandya was fast tracked.
Its due to IPL, people (as in selectors too) have an eye on Mayank, Gurukeerat, Deepak Hooda, Pant, Kuldeep etc.

Can you deny all the points I just made? Even 1 case can you deny?

IPL is not the only criteria for Indian selection but it does tell you where someone stands in terms of handling pressure. Plus it reveals who has raw potential which allows selectors to fast track them to national side.

Buttler ON RECORD has said the biggest development he had as a player in all formats was due to IPL. This is coming from a guy who could have easily not said it or said some vague stuff about IPL being a great training ground for T20s, etc, etc.

Seriously bro are these the only names you can come up with? Chahal, Pandya, jadhav? Who have not even played in half of the cricket playing countries yet.

Jaddu and ashwin would have got into the team without IPL anyway. Just like raina, yuvi, dhoni, sehwag, gambhir did. You call me an IPL hater when I have never used this word with IPL here. But what does that make you guys when you even give credit to IPL for India winning the 2011 world cup? It seems to me for some of you there was no cricket and talent before IPL in India.

 

[Pollack]

Nobody wants India to loose because they want to prove a point. They genuinely believe happening so would be beneficial for India in long terms . They want transformation and it comes at the cost of short term losses. On the contrary its the other people who want to prove a point almost after every good performance they chest thump here. There is a lot of chest thumping patriotism here who believe other fans want to see India lose and they are sad after India wins. (
These are rightwing equivalent of Indian fans.

 

[Pollack]

In IPL we the fans notice the players for first time but these players slog year after year in domestics where selectors notice and monitor them.

K Pandya hardly played any domestics even H pandya. Now they are playing after IPL. Rarely raw talent are identified in IPL as well.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

With out ipl there is no out let for them to show their skills

What a dumb post. Do you know they also play domestic cricket? Now don't come up with replies like 'gavaskar was found through IPL too'..

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Agreed about financials. But please tell me about those raw players "identified" by IPL teams.

I said sometimes in case of identification.

Sure...Pandya when he played in IPL had played very few List A games yet he was in selector's radar for LOI.

Kuldeep Yadav was once picked in national squad years back just for him to get experience with the team.

Cariappa was picked in IPL due to Karnataka Premier league. Yes, he played very less games but if he clicked, that would be talent identification due to IPL.

Praveen Tambe who was playing club cricket was identified by Dravid and brought into IPL where he outperformed Ash and Jaddu with ease for a season or two. Sure, he was 40 years old so he had no future but in another situation with a youngster, that's clear cut talent identification.

IPL is relatively new in the criketing timeline scale but over the course of time, we will see more of talent identification in IPL which will lead to more chances in domestics to see if they click. Every year, IPL teams run camps to see who all possess talent.

Right now, IPL is more about recognition.

 

[JattMaula]

K Pandya hardly played any domestics even H pandya. Now they are playing after IPL.

K Pandya was injured for 2 years but was always on Baroda radars.

Hardik performed with bat like Superstar for Baroda in domestic T20. And his pace bowling potential was identified by Indian selectors. He came to limelight due to IPL cause nobody follows domestics closely.

 

[JattMaula]

I said sometimes in case of identification.

Sure...Pandya when he played in IPL had played very few List A games yet he was in selector's radar for LOI.

Kuldeep Yadav was once picked in national squad years back just for him to get experience with the team.

Cariappa was picked in IPL due to Karnataka Premier league. Yes, he played very less games but if he clicked, that would be talent identification due to IPL.

Praveen Tambe who was playing club cricket was identified by Dravid and brought into IPL where he outperformed Ash and Jaddu with ease for a season or two. Sure, he was 40 years old so he had no future but in another situation with a youngster, that's clear cut talent identification.

IPL is relatively new in the criketing timeline scale but over the course of time, we will see more of talent identification in IPL which will lead to more chances in domestics to see if they click. Every year, IPL teams run camps to see who all possess talent.

Right now, IPL is more about recognition.

Apart from Kuldeep none of them were India material. And he was part of our U19 setup for ages. Would have been noticed anyway.

IPL is good for us but let's not elevate it above domestics.

 

[Pollack]

K Pandya was injured for 2 years but was always on Baroda radars.

Hardik performed with bat like Superstar for Baroda in domestic T20. And his pace bowling potential was identified by Indian selectors. He came to limelight due to IPL cause nobody follows domestics closely.

OK. But at least they come into recognition due to IPL. Not to mention other benefits of IPL like interacting with internationals which fast track their growth as a cricketer also handling pressure under different situations.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Seriously bro are these the only names you can come up with? Chahal, Pandya, jadhav? Who have not even played in half of the cricket playing countries yet.

Jaddu and ashwin would have got into the team without IPL anyway. Just like raina, yuvi, dhoni, sehwag, gambhir did. You call me an IPL hater when I have never used this word with IPL here. But what does that make you guys when you even give credit to IPL for India winning the 2011 world cup? It seems to me for some of you there was no cricket and talent before IPL in India.

I call you an IPL hater cos you hate everything about IPL. You gonna deny you don't hate IPL? Its not a crime to be an IPL hater and you are entitled to your view but what should I call you? IPL lover? IPL critique?

Seriously bro are these the only names you can come up with? Chahal, Pandya, jadhav? Who have not even played in half of the cricket playing countries yet.

Dismissal of the names I mentioned.

Jaddu and ashwin would have got into the team without IPL anyway. Just like raina, yuvi, dhoni, sehwag, gambhir did.

Maybe. May not be. But IPL fast tracked them and got India to reap the rewards during their prime. And I can bet not even 0.00001% of fans said in 2010, that these two would become gun test bowlers.

So pretty much, you dismissed all of the names I gave and said the 2-3 names that made a mark would have made it anyway.

Maybe they would have but would they have done it as soon? That you won't say cos everyone knows IPL played a huge role in them furthering their career so fast.

 

[JattMaula]

OK. But at least they come into recognition due to IPL. Not to mention other benefits of IPL like interacting with internationals which fast track their growth as a cricketer also handling pressure under different situations.

I don't deny the obvious benefits of IPL but crediting it for talent identification is step too far.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Apart from Kuldeep none of them were India material. And he was part of our U19 setup for ages. Would have been noticed anyway.

IPL is good for us but let's not elevate it above domestics.

Doesn't matter if they are good enough for India or not.

That's not the point.

The point is IPL CAN be a mechanism for talent identification too (it will speed up down the line). Today, we may not have India worthy players from the talent identification but tomorrow we may have LOTS.

However IPL will always remain a primary tool for talent recognition though.

Also I never said IPL is above domestics. Its about whether IPL is useless or not.

 

[JattMaula]

Doesn't matter if they are good enough for India or not.

That's not the point.

The point is IPL CAN be a mechanism for talent identification too (it will speed up down the line). Today, we may not have India worthy players from the talent identification but tomorrow we may have LOTS.

However IPL will always remain a primary tool for talent recognition though.

Also I never said IPL is above domestics. Its about whether IPL is useless or not.

Who says IPL is useless?

And IPL was never will not be primary tool for talent recognition for talent. It's tool for general public but not for people that matter.

 

[Drreddymd]

What a dumb post. Do you know they also play domestic cricket? Now don't come up with replies like 'gavaskar was found through IPL too'..

Yeah how many matches pandya, chahal, bumrah, ashwin played before they got selected for ipl and india. R they selected on their domestic performances

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I call you an IPL hater cos you hate everything about IPL. You gonna deny you don't hate IPL? Its not a crime to be an IPL hater and you are entitled to your view but what should I call you? IPL lover? IPL critique?



Dismissal of the names I mentioned.



Maybe. May not be. But IPL fast tracked them and got India to reap the rewards during their prime. And I can bet not even 0.00001% of fans said in 2010, that these two would become gun test bowlers.

So pretty much, you dismissed all of the names I gave and said the 2-3 names that made a mark would have made it anyway.

Maybe they would have but would they have done it as soon? That you won't say cos everyone knows IPL played a huge role in them furthering their career so fast.

Why should I take these names seriously when they haven't even played 1 year of intl. cricket and are still unproven? Are you not jumping to conclusions too early? Regarding ashwin he would have made it into the indian team.

 

[Pollack]

Talent for IPL itself is identified from domestics and you don't need to have outstanding stats to get selected as well. So we are actually moving in circle in this debate of IPL vs domestics.

 

[Pollack]

Why should I take these names seriously when they haven't even played 1 year of intl. cricket and are still unproven? Are you not jumping to conclusions too early? Regarding ashwin he would have made it into the indian team.

Ashwin was average before IPL. So maybe or maybe not made it.

 

[Pollack]

But surely selectors reward domestic performance more than IPL and rightly so but as I said IPL itself acquires talent from domestics as well.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Who says IPL is useless?

And IPL was never will not be primary tool for talent recognition for talent. It's tool for general public but not for people that matter.

Bhaag Viru Bhaag. Follow the discussion bhai. Current discussion happening in this thread and past discussions related to this topic..

Recognition by definition means someone is doing well and finally get noticed for their efforts/talent.

I get from where you are coming reg the effect of IPL in terms of selection. Yes, I do agree IPL is a supporting tool for selection (sometimes not even that) but in many cases, you just need that extra bit of hype to grow faster.

Why should I take these names seriously when they haven't even played 1 year of intl. cricket and are still unproven? Are you not jumping to conclusions too early? Regarding ashwin he would have made it into the indian team.

You asked for names. I gave you names.

You dismissed all of them.

Then you dismissed the regular international performers too.

If this ain't confirmation bias, then what is?

 

[sarthak]

There is some merit to the point that there has not been a solely "IPL discovered star" so far who was doing nothing before but the IPL made him a finished product and he is a world beater now. The above mentioned names were already there and the IPL helped in bringing them to the forefront.

However, there is a subtle change in that it has made these guys mentally stronger to some extent. Guys like Pandya, Chahal, Bumrah even if they are hit for a boundary in the first ball of the over or for several runs in their first spell come back to make an impact later in the match. Plus not to forget the immense change in fitness and fielding standards etc. which has been precipitated by playing high octane t20 cricket, such as the IPL.

 

[JattMaula]

[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]

I can't write long posts on phone. Bhaag means we'll and we are all guilty of confirmation bias sometimes.

Let's discuss the talent we really needed and still do. If a IPL team identifies and grooms a pacer for us I'll credit it forever.

All our pacers developed in India teams. Bhuvi, Yadav, Ishant, Shami were mediocre IPL bowler but were selected and recognized in domestics. After playing for India for more than 3-4 years started performing in IPL.

 

[Pollack]

There is some merit to the point that there has not been a solely "IPL discovered star" so far who was doing nothing before but the IPL made him a finished product and he is a world beater now. The above mentioned names were already there and the IPL helped in bringing them to the forefront.

However, there is a subtle change in that it has made these guys mentally stronger to some extent. Guys like Pandya, Chahal, Bumrah even if they are hit for a boundary in the first ball of the over or for several runs in their first spell come back to make an impact later in the match. Plus not to forget the immense change in fitness and fielding standards etc. which has been precipitated by playing high octane t20 cricket, such as the IPL.

Where do you expect IPL to pick talent from? Team Management is not going to scout gully,mohalla for it. They would have a look into domestics. So how can one expect a complete nobody to get into IPL and then IPL transform them.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Bhaag Viru Bhaag. Follow the discussion bhai. Current discussion happening in this thread and past discussions related to this topic..

Recognition by definition means someone is doing well and finally get noticed for their efforts/talent.

I get from where you are coming reg the effect of IPL in terms of selection. Yes, I do agree IPL is a supporting tool for selection (sometimes not even that) but in many cases, you just need that extra bit of hype to grow faster.



You asked for names. I gave you names.

You dismissed all of them.

Then you dismissed the regular international performers too.

If this ain't confirmation bias, then what is?

Who are your regular international performers? Ashwin? Jaddu? So according to you they performed in IPL, got their recognition and then got selected for the test team too? Were they not playing domestic cricket when they were playing in IPL? Why didn't yusuf pathan get selected in the test team?

 

[sarthak]

Where do you expect IPL to pick talent from? Team Management is not going to scout gully,mohalla for it. They would have a look into domestics. So how can one expect a complete nobody to get into IPL and then IPL transform them.

The nobody is perhaps an exaggeration but my point is that despite all the hitting that these guys do every IPL season, have we by now found even one middle/lower order hitter who is striking it comfortably at more than 150 and doesn't take time to settle in? Yuvi/Dhoni are great strikers but they take their time, plus they are nearing their end. So has anyone really been groomed for this?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]

I can't write long posts on phone. Bhaag means we'll and we are all guilty of confirmation bias sometimes.

Let's discuss the talent we really needed and still do. If a IPL team identifies and grooms a pacer for us I'll credit it forever.

All our pacers developed in India teams. Bhuvi, Yadav, Ishant, Shami were mediocre IPL bowler but were selected and recognized in domestics. After playing for India for more than 3-4 years started performing in IPL.

IPL hasn't done it for pacers.

We also need power hitters and IPL hasn't done it for that too.

I am pretty sure no one says without IPL, we would be finished but with IPL, we for sure have been better off.

Not just in terms of player temperament but also chances given to players.

Just today you saw someone like Mishra performing well. In the past with IPL, he would have been rotting in domestics. As much as domestics are important, it takes a LONG while to get selected.

Take Mukund for example. Has been performing for long (barring some bad years) but if only he had clicked in IPL, his profile would have shot through the roof and he would have been in national radar in a serious way. That doesn't mean he wasn't in national radar but he just was on the periphery.

There is some merit to the point that there has not been a solely "IPL discovered star" so far who was doing nothing before but the IPL made him a finished product and he is a world beater now. The above mentioned names were already there and the IPL helped in bringing them to the forefront.

However, there is a subtle change in that it has made these guys mentally stronger to some extent. Guys like Pandya, Chahal, Bumrah even if they are hit for a boundary in the first ball of the over or for several runs in their first spell come back to make an impact later in the match. Plus not to forget the immense change in fitness and fielding standards etc. which has been precipitated by playing high octane t20 cricket, such as the IPL.

Absolutely. IPL didn't make anyone from zero to hero yet. It could have with Praveen Tambe but he was too old.

But it played a big role in some players being able to speed up their careers.

Take Ashwin for example.

He made his debut on Jun 2010 after a stellar IPL where he played a huge role in CSK winning. He did have good List A performances around that time but there is no guarantee he would have made it to the team as quickly if he hadn't got the hype

Also here's another kicker: He lost his form in 2012-13 in LOIs so if he hadn't been picked in the national side by 2010, who knows whether he would have even made it to the national side again.

Small hinges swing big doors.

Performance in domestics is very important but IPL kind of tells you where someone stands in terms of temperament and ability to deliver when the heat is on.

Chahal's IPL performances played a big role in selection too. Of course, he needed domestic performances but IPL success helped him rise through the ranks faster.

 

[Pollack]

The nobody is perhaps an exaggeration but my point is that despite all the hitting that these guys do every IPL season, have we by now found even one middle/lower order hitter who is striking it comfortably at more than 150 and doesn't take time to settle in? Yuvi/Dhoni are great strikers but they take their time, plus they are nearing their end. So has anyone really been groomed for this?

Fine.But we haven't tested many as well. Yuvraj and dhoni are still therebecause we are averse to try new players IPLor not. But I understand we still don't have many even in IPL.

 

[Drreddymd]

Who are your regular international performers? Ashwin? Jaddu? So according to you they performed in IPL, got their recognition and then got selected for the test team too? Were they not playing domestic cricket when they were playing in IPL? Why didn't yusuf pathan get selected in the test team?

Ipl is a loi tournament and it is not to select test players. They were playing domestics but not setting domestics on fire to be picked directly into the indian team. Ipl fast tracked them into the indian team and not domestic performances.
There were so Many players who performed outstandingly in domestics but never got a chance to represent indian team

 

[Pollack]

Even kedar got Indian cap due to IPL.The guy was performing like a machine in domestics for years and nobody gave a damn about him.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Who are your regular international performers? Ashwin? Jaddu? So according to you they performed in IPL, got their recognition and then got selected for the test team too? Were they not playing domestic cricket when they were playing in IPL? Why didn't yusuf pathan get selected in the test team?

Brother you are repeating the same question in different angles even when you have been given an answer and instead of acknowledging it, you have dismissed them.

As of now, only IPL players Ash, Jaddu and Dhawan got into tests. Now no one says they got in due to IPL. Its not possible for IPL to directly produce test players. That's like chalk and cheese. But IPL can give limelight for players who can go on to play tests after getting selected in LOIs.

IPL to test success is a long shot. It won't happen much. First class and A tours are the MAIN areas of focus there.

In some cases, players can graduate from IPL to LOI to tests which is how Ashwin, Jaddu and Dhawan came in.

As for the other names who have made it to the LOI team due to IPL recognition (along with domestic performances), I have given it.

Asking why Yusuf Pathan hasn't played test and linking it to IPL criticism is bizarro logic of the highest order. Why would you even bring up Yusuf? As if first class hasn't produced super duds in international cricket?

 

[JattMaula]

IPL is the best LOI tournament to check a players temperament under pressure. And it is imo the best and most closely fought T20 event. And it does generate hype for new talent. All I am saying is that it's not premium domestic tournament nor it is the primary platform for our domestic players to get recognized.

 

[sarthak]

IPL hasn't done it for pacers.

We also need power hitters and IPL hasn't done it for that too.

I am pretty sure no one says without IPL, we would be finished but with IPL, we for sure have been better off.

Not just in terms of player temperament but also chances given to players.

Just today you saw someone like Mishra performing well. In the past with IPL, he would have been rotting in domestics. As much as domestics are important, it takes a LONG while to get selected.

Take Mukund for example. Has been performing for long (barring some bad years) but if only he had clicked in IPL, his profile would have shot through the roof and he would have been in national radar in a serious way. That doesn't mean he wasn't in national radar but he just was on the periphery.



Absolutely. IPL didn't make anyone from zero to hero yet. It could have with Praveen Tambe but he was too old.

But it played a big role in some players being able to speed up their careers.

Take Ashwin for example.

He made his debut on Jun 2010 after a stellar IPL where he played a huge role in CSK winning. He did have good List A performances around that time but there is no guarantee he would have made it to the team as quickly if he hadn't got the hype

Also here's another kicker: He lost his form in 2012-13 in LOIs so if he hadn't been picked in the national side by 2010, who knows whether he would have even made it to the national side again.

Small hinges swing big doors.

Performance in domestics is very important but IPL kind of tells you where someone stands in terms of temperament and ability to deliver when the heat is on.

Chahal's IPL performances played a big role in selection too. Of course, he needed domestic performances but IPL success helped him rise through the ranks faster.

Agree on all your points around the spinners. A lot of what I have said is around the batting and the frustration that despite all these years, haven't seen a real IPL success story (of say a hard hitting opener/ a lower order striker) making it big at the int'l level. You can say Rohit, but I wouldn't agree that IPL was the major contributing factor there.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Ipl is a loi tournament and it is not to select test players. They were playing domestics but not setting domestics on fire to be picked directly into the indian team. Ipl fast tracked them into the indian team and not domestic performances.
There were so Many players who performed outstandingly in domestics but never got a chance to represent indian team

So you agree that IPL performers have to perform in domestics to get selected in the test team? So why are you guys giving credit to IPL for unearthing ashwin and jaddu in tests?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

IPL is the best LOI tournament to check a players temperament under pressure. And it is imo the best and most closely fought T20 event. And it does generate hype for new talent. All I am saying is that it's not premium domestic tournament nor it is the primary platform for our domestic players to get recognized.

We are arguing semantics mate.

You mention:

And it does generate hype for new talent.

IPL generates hype for all players who perform in there.

Why would you use the phrase "hype for talent" in here?

What does that realllllly mean?

Recognition.

I think we all are basically defining what "recognition" means in different ways and that's why there is an argument.

Except our Bhaag Viru ji who thinks there is NO MERIT to IPL.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Agree on all your points around the spinners. A lot of what I have said is around the batting and the frustration that despite all these years, haven't seen a real IPL success story (of say a hard hitting opener/ a lower order striker) making it big at the int'l level. You can say Rohit, but I wouldn't agree that IPL was the major contributing factor there.

True.

That's the irony.

IPL was supposed to help us give hitters.

It didn't.

 

[sarthak]

Fine.But we haven't tested many as well. Yuvraj and dhoni are still therebecause we are averse to try new players IPLor not. But I understand we still don't have many even in IPL.

Yeah, but one of the reasons I think the captain and management could be averse to trying new players is that they feel that these juniors aren't ready? Someone like a Manish Pandey, in his late 20's, should have by now established himself in both the ODI and T20 team but that hasn't happened yet. In the NZ series, he probably didn't win the captain's confidence which is why Kohli brought back an older Yuvi since he preferred experience to juniors who hadn't started delivering. Not sure but just my hunch.

And then India seem to have found a finisher in Jadhav but he is 31 and probably at his peak already.