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This was flat.
Ashwin is no Jaddu on pattas either
bro there was spin here...
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This was flat.
Ashwin is no Jaddu on pattas either
This was flat.
Ashwin is no Jaddu on pattas either
This was flat.
Ashwin is no Jaddu on pattas either
One of those good days of cricket for us where everything clicked except the one who always clicks for us![]()
.. but I guess thats the best thing for India, else they're far too dependent on him.
Haha. Yeah, but I guess thats the best thing for India, else they're far too dependent on him.
Ravi shashtri is a poor presenter![]()
Hardly. There was enough turn and grip in the wicket. Unusual for the Chinnaswamy actually.
So what has IPL given Indian Cricket? I hope some found the answer today.
Guys Kohli just admitted that he wanted to bring Hardik but they(Dhoni) bought Bumrah. They do everything like bowling changes, field settings etc and I dont have to do much... Its a matter of time that I take decisions....
Guys Kohli just admitted that he wanted to bring Hardik but they(Dhoni) bought Bumrah. They do everything like bowling changes, field settings etc and I dont have to do much... Its a matter of time that I take decisions....
Kohli is a yuvraj fan boy
Meh. You should have asked this question after the T20 world cup last year. We are still relying on old horses like dhoni, yuvi, raina, nehra andmishra.
Guys Kohli just admitted that he wanted to bring Hardik but they(Dhoni) bought Bumrah. They do everything like bowling changes, field settings etc and I dont have to do much... Its a matter of time that I take decisions....
after the six sixes, we all are. The gut fought with cancer and came back and still playing like a legend![]()
Dhoni proving why he is a gun LOI captain.
Kohli (sadly) showing why RCB never won any IPLs.![]()
Dhoni proving why he is a gun LOI captain.
Kohli (sadly) showing why RCB never won any IPLs.![]()
Dhoni proving why he is a gun LOI captain.
Kohli (sadly) showing why RCB never won any IPLs.![]()
Sadly, Dhoni is considered one of the worst T20 players despite playing many match-winning knocks in IPL. So IPL performances/results don't matter. Kohli will better him in internationals as a captain.
Cos Dhoni is one of the worst T20I players out there. He was great in IPLs (not so in last season) but if you click in IPL and flop in T20I, there will be more criticism than the other way around.
Ipl is the mother of all evils in indian cricket according to him. So u cannot convince him even if ipl players perform. Evem mishra was identified and given chances after ipl performancesSo one one hand you don't want old horses dropped (even for meaningless T20Is) but one another hand, you will mock IPL to have done nothing for India.
Haha.
So one one hand you don't want old horses dropped (even for meaningless T20Is) but one another hand, you will mock IPL to have done nothing for India.
Haha.
Ipl is the mother of all evils in indian cricket according to him. So u cannot convince him even if ipl players perform. Evem mishra was identified and given chances after ipl performances
Sorry bro no offence but your posting quality and sensibility is losing here day by day. Oldies are still playing for india because IPL hasn't created any good replacements for them yet. Now don't say they didn't get any chance. Who are the big hitters and finishers in IPL? Why are our selectors keep selecting yuvi, raina and nehra again and again for meaningless T20's?
Yes I do criticise IPL but atleast I don't wish India to lose a match just to prove my point here.
Thanks to dhoni, yuvi, raina and mishra. India won the series.
And sad day for those who were wishing to see their team losing just because their favs aren't playing.
A slap on the face for ipl haters as well right?Exactly.![]()
Ipl is the mother of all evils in indian cricket according to him. So u cannot convince him even if ipl players perform. Evem mishra was identified and given chances after ipl performances
What happened bro? You don't have anything to say about dhoni and yuvi today?![]()
You don't criticise IPL mate.
You hate it to the core and you use confirmation bias to justify your viewpoint.
Its due to IPL, Kedhar Jadhav got recognition.
Its due to IPL, Ashwin got recognition.
Its due to IPL, Jaddu got recognition.
Its due to IPL, Chahal got recognition.
Its due to IPL, Bumrah got recognition.
Its due to IPL, Pandya was fast tracked.
Its due to IPL, people (as in selectors too) have an eye on Mayank, Gurukeerat, Deepak Hooda, Pant, Kuldeep etc.
Can you deny all the points I just made? Even 1 case can you deny?
IPL is not the only criteria for Indian selection but it does tell you where someone stands in terms of handling pressure. Plus it reveals who has raw potential which allows selectors to fast track them to national side.
Buttler ON RECORD has said the biggest development he had as a player in all formats was due to IPL. This is coming from a guy who could have easily not said it or said some vague stuff about IPL being a great training ground for T20s, etc, etc.
Yeah....Mishra was able to comeback due to IPL.
In the old times, he would have been rotting in the domestics after getting dropped.
IPL gives EVERYONE chances.
IPL is NOT for identifying talent. [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]
It's just showcase for already good domestic players. All the players you mentioned did perform in real domestics.
IPL is NOT for identifying talent. [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]
It's just showcase for already good domestic players. All the players you mentioned did perform in real domestics.
With out ipl there is no out let for them to show their skills
IPL is a place mainly for recognition for players. Our selectors won't pick players for the national team if IPL performance isn't backed by some domestic performances.
However without IPL, many domestic performers would be rotting. Not all but many.
Sometimes players can be identified via IPL too if they have raw potential.
Plus IPL brings in financial stability which will attract more talent in the future too. This is an intangible benefit.
Seriously bro are these the only names you can come up with? Chahal, Pandya, jadhav? Who have not even played in half of the cricket playing countries yet.You don't criticise IPL mate.
You hate it to the core and you use confirmation bias to justify your viewpoint.
Its due to IPL, Kedhar Jadhav got recognition.
Its due to IPL, Ashwin got recognition.
Its due to IPL, Jaddu got recognition.
Its due to IPL, Chahal got recognition.
Its due to IPL, Bumrah got recognition.
Its due to IPL, Pandya was fast tracked.
Its due to IPL, people (as in selectors too) have an eye on Mayank, Gurukeerat, Deepak Hooda, Pant, Kuldeep etc.
Can you deny all the points I just made? Even 1 case can you deny?
IPL is not the only criteria for Indian selection but it does tell you where someone stands in terms of handling pressure. Plus it reveals who has raw potential which allows selectors to fast track them to national side.
Buttler ON RECORD has said the biggest development he had as a player in all formats was due to IPL. This is coming from a guy who could have easily not said it or said some vague stuff about IPL being a great training ground for T20s, etc, etc.
In IPL we the fans notice the players for first time but these players slog year after year in domestics where selectors notice and monitor them.
With out ipl there is no out let for them to show their skills
Agreed about financials. But please tell me about those raw players "identified" by IPL teams.
K Pandya hardly played any domestics even H pandya. Now they are playing after IPL.
I said sometimes in case of identification.
Sure...Pandya when he played in IPL had played very few List A games yet he was in selector's radar for LOI.
Kuldeep Yadav was once picked in national squad years back just for him to get experience with the team.
Cariappa was picked in IPL due to Karnataka Premier league. Yes, he played very less games but if he clicked, that would be talent identification due to IPL.
Praveen Tambe who was playing club cricket was identified by Dravid and brought into IPL where he outperformed Ash and Jaddu with ease for a season or two. Sure, he was 40 years old so he had no future but in another situation with a youngster, that's clear cut talent identification.
IPL is relatively new in the criketing timeline scale but over the course of time, we will see more of talent identification in IPL which will lead to more chances in domestics to see if they click. Every year, IPL teams run camps to see who all possess talent.
Right now, IPL is more about recognition.
K Pandya was injured for 2 years but was always on Baroda radars.
Hardik performed with bat like Superstar for Baroda in domestic T20. And his pace bowling potential was identified by Indian selectors. He came to limelight due to IPL cause nobody follows domestics closely.
Seriously bro are these the only names you can come up with? Chahal, Pandya, jadhav? Who have not even played in half of the cricket playing countries yet.
Jaddu and ashwin would have got into the team without IPL anyway. Just like raina, yuvi, dhoni, sehwag, gambhir did. You call me an IPL hater when I have never used this word with IPL here. But what does that make you guys when you even give credit to IPL for India winning the 2011 world cup? It seems to me for some of you there was no cricket and talent before IPL in India.
Seriously bro are these the only names you can come up with? Chahal, Pandya, jadhav? Who have not even played in half of the cricket playing countries yet.
Jaddu and ashwin would have got into the team without IPL anyway. Just like raina, yuvi, dhoni, sehwag, gambhir did.
OK. But at least they come into recognition due to IPL. Not to mention other benefits of IPL like interacting with internationals which fast track their growth as a cricketer also handling pressure under different situations.
Apart from Kuldeep none of them were India material. And he was part of our U19 setup for ages. Would have been noticed anyway.
IPL is good for us but let's not elevate it above domestics.
Doesn't matter if they are good enough for India or not.
That's not the point.
The point is IPL CAN be a mechanism for talent identification too (it will speed up down the line). Today, we may not have India worthy players from the talent identification but tomorrow we may have LOTS.
However IPL will always remain a primary tool for talent recognition though.
Also I never said IPL is above domestics. Its about whether IPL is useless or not.
Yeah how many matches pandya, chahal, bumrah, ashwin played before they got selected for ipl and india. R they selected on their domestic performancesWhat a dumb post. Do you know they also play domestic cricket? Now don't come up with replies like 'gavaskar was found through IPL too'..
I call you an IPL hater cos you hate everything about IPL. You gonna deny you don't hate IPL? Its not a crime to be an IPL hater and you are entitled to your view but what should I call you? IPL lover? IPL critique?
Dismissal of the names I mentioned.
Maybe. May not be. But IPL fast tracked them and got India to reap the rewards during their prime. And I can bet not even 0.00001% of fans said in 2010, that these two would become gun test bowlers.
So pretty much, you dismissed all of the names I gave and said the 2-3 names that made a mark would have made it anyway.
Maybe they would have but would they have done it as soon? That you won't say cos everyone knows IPL played a huge role in them furthering their career so fast.
Ashwin was average before IPL. So maybe or maybe not made it.Why should I take these names seriously when they haven't even played 1 year of intl. cricket and are still unproven? Are you not jumping to conclusions too early? Regarding ashwin he would have made it into the indian team.
Who says IPL is useless?
And IPL was never will not be primary tool for talent recognition for talent. It's tool for general public but not for people that matter.
Why should I take these names seriously when they haven't even played 1 year of intl. cricket and are still unproven? Are you not jumping to conclusions too early? Regarding ashwin he would have made it into the indian team.
There is some merit to the point that there has not been a solely "IPL discovered star" so far who was doing nothing before but the IPL made him a finished product and he is a world beater now. The above mentioned names were already there and the IPL helped in bringing them to the forefront.
However, there is a subtle change in that it has made these guys mentally stronger to some extent. Guys like Pandya, Chahal, Bumrah even if they are hit for a boundary in the first ball of the over or for several runs in their first spell come back to make an impact later in the match. Plus not to forget the immense change in fitness and fielding standards etc. which has been precipitated by playing high octane t20 cricket, such as the IPL.
Who are your regular international performers? Ashwin? Jaddu? So according to you they performed in IPL, got their recognition and then got selected for the test team too? Were they not playing domestic cricket when they were playing in IPL? Why didn't yusuf pathan get selected in the test team?Bhaag Viru Bhaag. Follow the discussion bhai. Current discussion happening in this thread and past discussions related to this topic..
Recognition by definition means someone is doing well and finally get noticed for their efforts/talent.
I get from where you are coming reg the effect of IPL in terms of selection. Yes, I do agree IPL is a supporting tool for selection (sometimes not even that) but in many cases, you just need that extra bit of hype to grow faster.
You asked for names. I gave you names.
You dismissed all of them.
Then you dismissed the regular international performers too.
If this ain't confirmation bias, then what is?
Where do you expect IPL to pick talent from? Team Management is not going to scout gully,mohalla for it. They would have a look into domestics. So how can one expect a complete nobody to get into IPL and then IPL transform them.
[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]
I can't write long posts on phone. Bhaag means we'll and we are all guilty of confirmation bias sometimes.
Let's discuss the talent we really needed and still do. If a IPL team identifies and grooms a pacer for us I'll credit it forever.
All our pacers developed in India teams. Bhuvi, Yadav, Ishant, Shami were mediocre IPL bowler but were selected and recognized in domestics. After playing for India for more than 3-4 years started performing in IPL.
There is some merit to the point that there has not been a solely "IPL discovered star" so far who was doing nothing before but the IPL made him a finished product and he is a world beater now. The above mentioned names were already there and the IPL helped in bringing them to the forefront.
However, there is a subtle change in that it has made these guys mentally stronger to some extent. Guys like Pandya, Chahal, Bumrah even if they are hit for a boundary in the first ball of the over or for several runs in their first spell come back to make an impact later in the match. Plus not to forget the immense change in fitness and fielding standards etc. which has been precipitated by playing high octane t20 cricket, such as the IPL.
The nobody is perhaps an exaggeration but my point is that despite all the hitting that these guys do every IPL season, have we by now found even one middle/lower order hitter who is striking it comfortably at more than 150 and doesn't take time to settle in? Yuvi/Dhoni are great strikers but they take their time, plus they are nearing their end. So has anyone really been groomed for this?
Who are your regular international performers? Ashwin? Jaddu? So according to you they performed in IPL, got their recognition and then got selected for the test team too? Were they not playing domestic cricket when they were playing in IPL? Why didn't yusuf pathan get selected in the test team?
Who are your regular international performers? Ashwin? Jaddu? So according to you they performed in IPL, got their recognition and then got selected for the test team too? Were they not playing domestic cricket when they were playing in IPL? Why didn't yusuf pathan get selected in the test team?
IPL hasn't done it for pacers.
We also need power hitters and IPL hasn't done it for that too.
I am pretty sure no one says without IPL, we would be finished but with IPL, we for sure have been better off.
Not just in terms of player temperament but also chances given to players.
Just today you saw someone like Mishra performing well. In the past with IPL, he would have been rotting in domestics. As much as domestics are important, it takes a LONG while to get selected.
Take Mukund for example. Has been performing for long (barring some bad years) but if only he had clicked in IPL, his profile would have shot through the roof and he would have been in national radar in a serious way. That doesn't mean he wasn't in national radar but he just was on the periphery.
Absolutely. IPL didn't make anyone from zero to hero yet. It could have with Praveen Tambe but he was too old.
But it played a big role in some players being able to speed up their careers.
Take Ashwin for example.
He made his debut on Jun 2010 after a stellar IPL where he played a huge role in CSK winning. He did have good List A performances around that time but there is no guarantee he would have made it to the team as quickly if he hadn't got the hype
Also here's another kicker: He lost his form in 2012-13 in LOIs so if he hadn't been picked in the national side by 2010, who knows whether he would have even made it to the national side again.
Small hinges swing big doors.
Performance in domestics is very important but IPL kind of tells you where someone stands in terms of temperament and ability to deliver when the heat is on.
Chahal's IPL performances played a big role in selection too. Of course, he needed domestic performances but IPL success helped him rise through the ranks faster.
Ipl is a loi tournament and it is not to select test players. They were playing domestics but not setting domestics on fire to be picked directly into the indian team. Ipl fast tracked them into the indian team and not domestic performances.
There were so Many players who performed outstandingly in domestics but never got a chance to represent indian team
IPL is the best LOI tournament to check a players temperament under pressure. And it is imo the best and most closely fought T20 event. And it does generate hype for new talent. All I am saying is that it's not premium domestic tournament nor it is the primary platform for our domestic players to get recognized.
And it does generate hype for new talent.
Agree on all your points around the spinners. A lot of what I have said is around the batting and the frustration that despite all these years, haven't seen a real IPL success story (of say a hard hitting opener/ a lower order striker) making it big at the int'l level. You can say Rohit, but I wouldn't agree that IPL was the major contributing factor there.
Fine.But we haven't tested many as well. Yuvraj and dhoni are still therebecause we are averse to try new players IPLor not. But I understand we still don't have many even in IPL.