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India (224 & 396) hold off England (247 & 367) to seal a thrilling 6-run win in the fifth Test to level the series at 2-2

Who will win the 5th Test at the Oval?

  • India

    Votes: 9 52.9%

  • England

    Votes: 9 52.9%
  • Total voters
    17
  • Poll closed .
Sachin fan said:
What was Kohli's average in his first test series in england? What was sachins average in south africa in his first series? What are some Pak batsmen life long average in SENA?

Jaiswal is barely 23

I have said this before but some of you are literal vultures when it comes to young players

And this pathetic mentality is very sub continental, most countries give more leeway to youngsters and hold seniors accountable, meanwhile sub continent fans will go after youngsters like vultures whole blindly worshipping seniors.

It's a loser mentality
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Barely 23? Hes 23 and 217 days old going onto 24 in less then 5 months? What are you on about 🤣
 
BouncerGuy said:
This is evenly poised atm.... England batters made a mess in 1st inning... They should have scored twice the runs they scored.
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To be clear, no team is getting to 500 on this pitch, which is effectively what you’re saying. That’s unrealistic.

350 however was achievable on a green top from 92/0, and would have been a very good score.
 
pratiktc said:
We are blessed to have had such an unexpectedly competitive series.

On these flat pitches and in dry summer, Indian batting and seam bowling have overperformed and England batting and bowling has been across series undercooked thus leading to such close games.

It is great outlier that top 3 Indian batters outperform top 3 English batters so comprehensively that too when likes of Root and Brook are involved.

Chris Woakes' decline with bat and ball also was unprecedented. He would usually be the banker in these home series for Eng and him being quiet and Atkinson and Stone's absence has asked too much of Stokes and Carse bowling wise over 4 tests.
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England have underestimated the scale of their own transition as a bowling side. Anderson, Broad & Woakes. One forced retired, one retired by choice, one about to retire imminently. 1500 Test wickets gone. Could even add Moeen Ali as the spinner into that for 1700.

Can England get Atkinson & Archer sharing the new ball, and can Tongue/Carse find some consistency alongside them as change bowlers? And can Bethell develop his game as a batting all rounder who can contribute the spin bowling as Moeen used to? There is some hope, if so.
 
James said:
England have underestimated the scale of their own transition as a bowling side. Anderson, Broad & Woakes. One forced retired, one retired by choice, one about to retire imminently. 1500 Test wickets gone. Could even add Moeen Ali as the spinner into that for 1700.

Can England get Atkinson & Archer sharing the new ball, and can Tongue/Carse find some consistency alongside them as change bowlers? And can Bethell develop his game as a batting all rounder who can contribute the spin bowling as Moeen used to? There is some hope, if so.
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Tongue is a good bowler. Very good.
Carse is pretty good too.

Jamie smith is a generational talent
Root is one of the best ever

Archer is a good bowler when fit
Stokes is the best AR of our era along with Jadeja. Both fighters. Slight edge to stokes cause I like fast bowlers more. Personal bias.

Duckett is a top opener of modern era

Crawley plays a good foil.

I am always right. This is a top English side and they would pummel all the great 90s teams inclusive in bazz ball pitches

India with a rookie side and some top talents did quite well and Infact could have been ahead in the series. So credit to the young boys for stepping up vs these bazz balling beasts.

Atkinson is no slouch either on seaming tracks. Good prospect. Although he isn’t rapid like tongue.

Overton got some wheels

Indian quicks all bowled quick except akashdeep.
 
sweep_shot said:
Why not get Root out properly instead of trying these cheap tactics? :inti

Looks like Indians can't play cricket without causing drama. :inti
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Why did your so called legend Sangakarra abused Shaun Pollock in 2003 World Cup?

Prasidh playing for RR has taken this cheap mentality from Sangakarra.
 
Sachin fan said:
What was Kohli's average in his first test series in england? What was sachins average in south africa in his first series? What are some Pak batsmen life long average in SENA?

Jaiswal is barely 23

I have said this before but some of you are literal vultures when it comes to young players

And this pathetic mentality is very sub continental, most countries give more leeway to youngsters and hold seniors accountable, meanwhile sub continent fans will go after youngsters like vultures whole blindly worshipping seniors.

It's a loser mentality
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Jaiswal has played 25 test matches, almost one fourth of anybody's career. Still he sucks on seaming tracks, survived only because of those two dropped catches. He won't play for long, selectors are watching, scoring 1 hundred in 10 innings in every series.
 
Devadwal said:
@Nikhil_cric @Rajdeep @Vikram1989 @Ab Fan

How's the Josh guys? Can we score 250?

I feel like we May bolwed out around 175 and set the target around 150 Only , just like BGT last test. 😕

:kp
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We may drag till 220 i believe.Hoped much better performance from Sai .Gill's best chance to stamp his own authority and reign. If he can get a win here, he will be the frontrunner of odi captaincy. Ro ko will be pushed out much quickly.pitch is quite spicy and engs are ftbs. 200 should be challenging if the weather and pitch dont change
 
Devadwal said:
@Nikhil_cric @Rajdeep @Vikram1989 @Ab Fan

How's the Josh guys? Can we score 250?

I feel like we May bolwed out around 175 and set the target around 150 Only , just like BGT last test. 😕

:kp
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We don't have Kohli & Rohit here (though Rohit was not playing, he was still watching it like ghost). Also England attack is depleted.... Thought the setup and conditions are similar, but I think it will be different. I hope at least it will be a lot closer finish compared to that match, even if we end up losing...
 
Prasidh Krishna (though he looks like leaking lots of runs, but we should keep in mind that we are against Bazball team on flat pitches where even Bumrah is becoming ineffective) should not be blindly discarded... He has pace and can sustain that pace for long time in multiple spells... Also when in rhythm can also bowl good line & length... He should be groomed properly (bowling coach should constantly work with him).

I hope he plays most of the upcoming home tests (Indian pacers tend to do well at home), we are encountering WI & SA which have conservative batsmen. Bumrah & Siraj can be rested there... Prasidh, Akashdeep should play all those matches, they should utilize the experience from here & then improve on their skills in these future matches... I hope management don't make the mistake of switching to some other bowlers...

Prasidh can reach to the level of at least Umesh Yadav, Akashdeep should try to fill the shoes of Shami (though its extremely tough). We need enough fast bowlers (with pace) to ensure we have a pool to select from in long tours, as bowlers tend to get tired & injured... If we keep on making changes, then we will get to see average bowlers like Kamboj (trundlers without any pace)
 
kron said:
Tongue is a good bowler. Very good.
Carse is pretty good too.

Jamie smith is a generational talent
Root is one of the best ever

Archer is a good bowler when fit
Stokes is the best AR of our era along with Jadeja. Both fighters. Slight edge to stokes cause I like fast bowlers more. Personal bias.

Duckett is a top opener of modern era

Crawley plays a good foil.

I am always right. This is a top English side and they would pummel all the great 90s teams inclusive in bazz ball pitches

India with a rookie side and some top talents did quite well and Infact could have been ahead in the series. So credit to the young boys for stepping up vs these bazz balling beasts.

Atkinson is no slouch either on seaming tracks. Good prospect. Although he isn’t rapid like tongue.

Overton got some wheels

Indian quicks all bowled quick except akashdeep.
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Brook another generational talent.
 
If I hear some loser say trundlers when talking about Prasidh and siraj then I want them to apologise here in their relevant threads. They bowled the quickest spell of the series outside of archers’s 2 early spells in one of the earlier tests
 
kron said:
If I hear some loser say trundlers when talking about Prasidh and siraj then I want them to apologise here in their relevant threads. They bowled the quickest spell of the series outside of archers’s 2 early spells in one of the earlier tests
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It has become a fashion of certain country-men to call all Indian pacers as trundlers by default, but irony is their own team has turned into a trundler factory over the years...
 
harshjoshi87 said:
Jaiswal has played 25 test matches, almost one fourth of anybody's career. Still he sucks on seaming tracks, survived only because of those two dropped catches. He won't play for long, selectors are watching, scoring 1 hundred in 10 innings in every series.
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Have you ever seen David warner in England? 4 test series 18 test 35 inings not a single century. Amit Mishra has better highest score in ENgland than Warner.
 
Highly spirited performance by the young Indian team this series led by a young captain. They may lose 3-1 still but we have to applaud the way they managed to fight and comeback from bad positions continuously throughout the series and took England all the way every time.

Likes of Jaiswal, Gill, SS, Sundar etc are battle hardened now and will only get better and better. Good time for Indian Test team once again..and Gill has been a surprisingly good leader.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Have you ever seen David warner in England? 4 test series 18 test 35 inings not a single century. Amit Mishra has better highest score in ENgland than Warner.
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Even fab 4 Kane have an avg of 25 in eng.struggling is different survival and scoring is different. All the batsmen even atg have struggled quite a lot times but they will survive by hook or crook to drive the team.
 
Vikram1989 said:
Akashdeep did an excellent job. Hope both will play cautiously till lunch.eng pacers need break and definitely the spinners have to bowl.india should play with sense and milk every opportunity.
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Wicket is flattening though.

Are there cracks to exploit?

I would say nothing under 300 is safe if it is flattening
 
Vikram1989 said:
Even fab 4 Kane have an avg of 25 in eng.struggling is different survival and scoring is different. All the batsmen even atg have struggled quite a lot times but they will survive by hook or crook to drive the team.
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Even Bradman would have scored less in one of the 9 or 10 test playing nations, had he played in that many, at least for e.g., in Bangladesh he would have failed :LOL:
 
kron said:
Wicket is flattening though.

Are there cracks to exploit?

I would say nothing under 300 is safe if it is flattening
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Tongue still got soething out of the surface. He created a chance as well. THey put Akash down. It is more to do with quality of bowling. Atkinson is okay. But a bit one-dimensional. Overton is not hitting the length correctly.
 
Akashdeep will cement his place further if he can do this much with bat consistently... Our tail will be improved...
 
Great start to the day and a spirited 50 from Akash Deep. India effectively 132/2 and we are only into Day 3.

Bat on guys. There's plenty of time left in this test match. Let's bat England out of the match and draw the series. Retain the Trophy.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Great start to the day and a spirited 50 from Akash Deep. India effectively 132/2 and we are only into Day 3.

Bat on guys. There's plenty of time left in this test match. Let's bat England out of the match and draw the series. Retain the Trophy.
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Let's hope the pitch doesn't flatten up on the last day (it should behave like Test-2 pitch rather than Test-1 Pitch. Also it depends on how we play also - bat & bowl - should get on top of the key moments)
 
Bazball England are the greatest chasing side in Tests history so they probably still are favourites.

Need 350 minimum but ideally 400,450.

Only then can India be considered slight favourites
 
kron said:
Wicket is flattening though.

Are there cracks to exploit?

I would say nothing under 300 is safe if it is flattening
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Today is a sunny day.rest 2 days are cloudy ones.so we should hope ball will move . We should target 300 to 350 with such a good platform. As per commies and reports , today is the best day for batting. We should capitalise it.
 
England's bowling barring the third test final innings has been horrendous this series. Its a green wicket juice dependent bowling attack.

India should have won this series
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Bazball England are the greatest chasing side in Tests history so they probably still are favourites.

Need 350 minimum but ideally 400,450.

Only then can India be considered slight favourites
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They would destroys Pakistan of 90s
And South Africa of 90s and he’ll even Oz of 90s on any flat pitch

It’s no comparison.

Goat flat pitch team of all timen
 
Beautiful batting by Jaiswal. Finally turning it around after being a bumbling idiots 90% of the series
 
England deserve to lose even with the Woakes injury he wouldn't have made much difference.

Overton and Tongue are bowling diabolically they make Indians trundlers look world class
 
This is such af fabulous Test series. There was a risk of India tapering off badly towards the end of the series with series coming to an end. They didn't allow that to happen.
 
I called it at the start of the match that this pitch will get easy to bat on by Day 3. England blew a golden opportunity to bat at the best time. Now India need to hammer this advantage home. Get minimum 400-450
 
neonoir said:
England deserve to lose even with the Woakes injury he wouldn't have made much difference.

Overton and Tongue are bowling diabolically they make Indians trundlers look world class
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Woakes would have made more of the difference than these two who can neither control the flow of runs, nor look like taking wickets
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Woakes would have made more of the difference than these two who can neither control the flow of runs, nor look like taking wickets
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Woakes is averaging 52 this series not with the bat but with the ball.

He has been declining the past few years think the injury should be the final nail in the coffin for his test career.

But barring Atkinson the next gen of England seam bowlers don't look to be promising
 
Atkinson, Archer and Carse is a fairly good pace attack. Overton and Tongue, not so much. Tongue needs to play more county cricket and work on his consistency
 
neonoir said:
Woakes is averaging 52 this series not with the bat but with the ball.

He has been declining the past few years think the injury should be the final nail in the coffin for his test career.

But barring Atkinson the next gen of England seam bowlers don't look to be promising
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Oh don't get me wrong, he's finished. It actually amazes me that they forced Anderson into retirement but not him.

But compared to these two even over the hill Woakes looks like McGrath
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I called it at the start of the match that this pitch will get easy to bat on by Day 3. England blew a golden opportunity to bat at the best time. Now India need to hammer this advantage home. Get minimum 400-450
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Not sure it is getting easy. I saw a ball that massively jagged back at Jaiswal. He left it on height. MOvement on the offer. If anything they didn't try to set Akash up. They didn't persist with strategy for more than one or two balls
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Oh don't get me wrong, he's finished. It actually amazes me that they forced Anderson into retirement but not him.

But compared to these two even over the hill Woakes looks like McGrath
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Even now at 43 Anderson is better than anything England has right now

It's a shame that England consistently can't play Atkinson, Wood, Archer and Carson together.

Sam Curran has to be given another go he's the most like for like player they have compared to Woakes and with the left arm angle will provide something different, at home he must be given a go but away he will be 75 mph trundler
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Oh don't get me wrong, he's finished. It actually amazes me that they forced Anderson into retirement but not him.

But compared to these two even over the hill Woakes looks like McGrath
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Anderson would be averaging the same. Remember Anderson saying about Edgbaston pitch that was used in Ashes, 2023. "These pitches are my kryptonite" taking 1 wicket after bowilng 38 overs.
 
neonoir said:
Even now at 43 Anderson is better than anything England has right now

It's a shame that England consistently can't play Atkinson, Wood, Archer and Carson together.

Sam Curran has to be given another go he's the most like for like player they have compared to Woakes and with the left arm angle will provide something different, at home he must be given a go but away he will be 75 mph trundler
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As Broad said in the post lunch session "We always think bowlers sitting outside are the best ones".
 
Anderson was completely done in Test cricket.

I'm not sure what he could've done .

Potts may only be an 82 mph average pace bowler but he hits that channel outside off more often than any of their other bowlers.

On the evidence, I'm not sure what Overton offers ahead of Potts.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Anderson would be averaging the same. Remember Anderson saying about Edgbaston pitch that was used in Ashes, 2023. "These pitches are my kryptonite" taking 1 wicket after bowilng 38 overs.
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Anderson is a more versatile and skilful bowler than people give him credit for. Any bowler would struggle on a flat pitch but he had more brains and skills to make something happen than these kids will ever have in their entire careers
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Anderson would be averaging the same. Remember Anderson saying about Edgbaston pitch that was used in Ashes, 2023. "These pitches are my kryptonite" taking 1 wicket after bowilng 38 overs.
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But Anderson in his prime was an all conditions bowler I'm pretty sure he averages in the low 20's in the dust bowls of the UAE.

But even know he would be much better than Overton and Tongue
 
neonoir said:
Even now at 43 Anderson is better than anything England has right now

It's a shame that England consistently can't play Atkinson, Wood, Archer and Carson together.

Sam Curran has to be given another go he's the most like for like player they have compared to Woakes and with the left arm angle will provide something different, at home he must be given a go but away he will be 75 mph trundler
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Sam Curran can be somewhat useful as a support bowler provided there are three other seamers. I think they should consider him if Stokes can't bowl much. Though he is a trundler, Australian pitches in recent times have offered more swing and seam than they usually do
 
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