India [245/3] beat New Zealand [243] by 7 wickets in the third ODI, lead series 3-0

[yuvi]

Yeah, may have peaked too early with everything going their way. Law of averages will eventually catch up with them, for India's sake they better hope it's not in a WC KO match.

We haven't picked yet. We are playing without Bumrah who is 40% of bowling strength. Also Pandya missed the first 2 matches.

 

[Aman]

Hammered again, thankfully didn't have high expectations for the WC.

This NZ team is mediocre.

 

[MP2011]

Most wins after 63 ODIs as captain:
50 C Lloyd/ R Ponting
47 V Kohli
46 V Richards/ H Cronje
41 M Clarke

Had he selected better players, he'd have been ahead of Lloyd & Ponting.

 

[Tracer Bullet]

He may look dud in these beast Indian lineup but Rayudu will walk into Every Asian team batting lineup...

 

[BreadPakoda]

Hammered again, thankfully didn't have high expectations for the WC.

This NZ team is mediocre.

Pathetic performance by NZ. Not even able to compete at home. Should be ashamed.

 

[Shandarchowka]

Congrats India and well done NZ. The latter has cemented Rayudu's place which will help a lot of other teams during world cup!

 

[rhony]

NZ coach Hesson said before this series started that there isn't much to choose between these 2 teams and NZ will edge this series 3-2...

Yep. Most of us thought it will be NZ 3-2. This is just unbelievable thrashing.

 

[BreadPakoda]

India would have had a great chance if there were a test series as well

 

[JattMaula]

He may look dud in these beast Indian lineup but Rayudu will walk into Every Asian team batting lineup...

Nope.

Bangladesh have very solid middle order.

 

[MP2011]

India would have had a great chance if there were a test series as well

Haven't won a test series in NZ for over 50 years now....

 

[Unleashed]

Congrats India and well done NZ. The latter has cemented Rayudu's place which will help a lot of other teams during world cup!

Dude you're cringe worthy now.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Had he selected better players, he'd have been ahead of Lloyd & Ponting.

He skipped easy games, e.g. Asia Cup, else would had even better numbers.

 

[MP2011]

Shami declared MoM.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Haven't won a test series in NZ for over 50 years now....

Won in 2009.

 

[Sachin136]

Congrats India and well done NZ. The latter has cemented Rayudu's place which will help a lot of other teams during world cup!

Rayudu averages 51 against England and 101 against Pakistan, so some teams should be worried.

 

[Smbhayi]

I would take Karthik over him. Better fielder. Backup keeper. Can accelerate much better. Far better range of shots.

not consistent... the reason he can't cement his place in the team..

 

[MP2011]

He skipped easy games, e.g. Asia Cup, else would had even better numbers.

Yep, another good point.

 

[MP2011]

Won in 2009.

Did we?

Good then.

 

[Rahul1]

Haven't won a test series in NZ for over 50 years now....

Huh? We won the test series in 2009.

 

[Sachin136]

India would have had a great chance if there were a test series as well

We'll play two tests there in February 2020 and should be able to win the series.

 

[Babbar]

Nope.

Bangladesh have very solid middle order.

Show me a middle order anywhere where he won’t get into. And this includes England too! India is probably only team where there are other contenders equally good. Indians can afford to mock him, not others LOL!

 

[Joseph Gomes]

NZ got smashed badly, far worse than I imagined. Seems like India and NZ are on a different level to other team.

 

[gh54785]

Rayudu averages 51 against England and 101 against Pakistan, so some teams should be worried.

He is in shock...his team was badly humiliated and whitewashed last time

 

[BreadPakoda]

Did we?

Good then.

Easily. Could have been 2-0 if not for rain washing out a day 5 with NZ 8 down.

 

[Smbhayi]

When one looks at the statistics of Rayudu, they are not only better than most batsmen in the world. even in this series, he has scored more runs than many illustrious batsmen participating in this series.

Rayudu may look ordinary, but he keeps scoring runs. May be he is as underestimated in batting as Jadhav is in bowling.

he's not pleasing to the eye, that's what the reason.. though he has a problem against genuine pace...

 

[Dr_Bassim]

India is such a well rounded team.

If the finals of the World Cup were best of 3 affairs, I back India to beat every team on the planet.

But because of knockouts, there is a chance India can have ONE bad day in the semi finals or finals, and its all over.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Not sure if some of our neighbours are concerned about our team's weaknesses not being exposed or they are making trolls to cool down their burnings

 

[MP2011]

Easily. Could have been 2-0 if not for rain washing out a day 5 with NZ 8 down.

Another reason we were ranked no. 1 in test cricket during those days.. Had good record in overseas conditions...

 

[MP2011]

India is such a well rounded team.

If the finals of the World Cup were best of 3 affairs, I back India to beat every team on the planet.

But because of knockouts, there is a chance India can have ONE bad day in the semi finals or finals, and its all over.

Agree with this. Anyone can knock out anyone in 1-off games.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Wow! Some wonderful words about Gill by Kohli during the post-match presentation! Can't wait to see him bat in the next 2 games and hopefully in WC!

 

[TheNeutralist]

Doesn't matter even if India go on to win the 2019 world cup, they still lost to Pakistan in the CT final

 

[rhony]

Wow! Some wonderful words about Gill by Kohli during the post-match presentation! Can't wait to see him bat!

What did he say?

 

[MP2011]

This is our 5th consecutive win in ODIs. Don't know when was the last time we won 5 overseas ODIs on the trot.

 

[MP2011]

What did he say?

Some outstanding talent coming through. Saw Shubman batting in the nets, I wasn't even 10 percent of that at 19.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Another reason we were ranked no. 1 in test cricket during those days.. Had good record in overseas conditions...

Yes. Series wins in England, NZ, WI and draw in SA. Had a great Ozzie series if not for Steve Bucknor.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

India is such a well rounded team.

If the finals of the World Cup were best of 3 affairs, I back India to beat every team on the planet.

But because of knockouts, there is a chance India can have ONE bad day in the semi finals or finals, and its all over.

There should always be a best of 3 finals in world cup. Anyone can have a fluke day (like Ind in 83 WC or Pak in CT final) but best of 3 meaning the best team invariably wins the tournament.

 

[Tyler Durden]

What did he say?

"Shubman is a very exciting talent and I saw him bat in the nets and I was like wow I was not even ten percent of that when I was 19."

 

[rhony]

England had a tough time beating this NZ team. It's a breeze for India

 

[Sachin136]

What did he say?

That at 19, he wasn't even 10% as good as Gill right now.

 

[bluevision]

Kohli: Amazing, three clinical games from us, relentlessness of the side pleasing. Havn't had a break for a while, hectic Australia tour and now this. We are three-nil up so I can relax a little. Some outstanding talent coming through. Saw Shubman batting in the nets, I wasn't even 10 percent of that at 19.

The last 2 lines gave away a hint for the remainder of the series.

 

[rhony]

"Shubman is a very exciting talent and I saw him bat in the nets and I was like wow I was not even ten percent of that when I was 19."

Damn. Hype is just unbelievable for this kid. It was equivalent to what Amir had when he was 17. Gill will bat at 3 next game I think

 

[Aman]

England had a tough time beating this NZ team. It's a breeze for India

England faced an in form team.

Kane and Guptill have not scored runs in a while.

 

[BDfanforever]

Australia performed decently against India.

 

[rhony]

England faced an in form team.

Kane and Guptill have not scored runs in a while.

Entire team can't be out of form dude. Snap out of it and give credit where it's due. They just feasted on some Lankan pies and have been brutally exposed by the best bowling unit in the world.

 

[Shandarchowka]

Overall NZ have been poor. The pitches also were not conducive to seam bowling. Credit to India. They have completely outplayed NZ team.

 

[Sachin136]

England faced an in form team.

Kane and Guptill have not scored runs in a while.

Williamson did well against SL just before this series, and against Pakistan last year at home.

 

[rhony]

Overall NZ have been poor. The pitches also were not conducive to seam bowling. Credit to India. They have completely outplayed NZ team.

And yet Shami, a seamer was MOM twice in three games. Lol

 

[JattMaula]

And yet Shami, a seamer was MOM twice in three games. Lol

Can't wake up a man pretending to be asleep.

 

[Aman]

Williamson did well against SL just before this series, and against Pakistan last year at home.

Kane has had a pretty poor summer. Don't think he scored a single century, even against SL in Tests or ODIs.

I can only remember two knocks, his match winning century against Pakistan and 90 odd where he threw away a century against SL and I think that was right off the hundred. Since then he's been really quiet.

 

[BDfanforever]

Indian fans should just get themselves some vacation till World Cup starts. I think team is pretty much all set with their lineup. No need to pull your hair and go into silly arguments with Pak/BD posters.

 

[MP2011]

And yet Shami, a seamer was MOM twice in three games. Lol

Why let facts get in the way of a good story!

 

[Tyler Durden]

India in SA - Done and dusted
Kohli-less India in Asia cup against Associates: Pak, Bangla and Afg - Done and dusted
India in Aus - Done and dusted
Burmah-less India in NZ - Done and dusted
What next? World Cup 19? That's ours too!

 

[desi_launda]

This is just setting the stage for the main event of the year- The IPL

 

[dragon751]

Damn. Hype is just unbelievable for this kid. It was equivalent to what Amir had when he was 17. Gill will bat at 3 next game I think

if you have seen him bat( u19, ranji or ipl) the hype is justified

 

[Babbar]

WC is a lottery, any of the top 6 teams can win if they do well in just the last two matches. It’s important to keep winning bilaterals as they will also be remembered for decades like India’s first win in Aus and monster wins in NZ.

Who knows when the tide turns and SA or Pak produces a freak ABDV or IK again! Next 5 years can improve Indian stats significantly. Unfortunately for Kohli. & Co that there won’t be many Ind-Pak series though.

 

[RamLakhan]

England faced an in form team.

Kane and Guptill have not scored runs in a while.

You don't have to repeat again! If India wins, the opposition team is out of form or playing their infinite "Z" team. If India loses, they have played their best ever XI (with some of their yesteryear bests reincarnated and mingled up in the souls of current players) but still couldn't win!

 

[Mamoon]

India and England are at a different level. This New Zealand team will still beat everyone else in a home ODI series.

This is more about how brilliant India is rather than how poor New Zealand have been. They are a very good side, but they are not good enough to take down India unless they have a bad day, which they haven't so far in this series.

5-0 is on the cards here, but it will be good confidence booster for New Zealand to avoid a whitewash.

 

[Hasan123]

NZ are no match for England and India. Surprised people rating them so highly for the WC.

 

[rhony]

if you have seen him bat( u19, ranji or ipl) the hype is justified

I watched him bat in the U19 WC games. Let's see if he gets to play in this series

 

[latecut]

Shubman Gill may be an exciting talent and all that, but one cannot expect him to start performing at the highest level right from the first match and become the mainstay of indian batting immediately. Even Tendulkar and Kohli stayed in the Indian team for a few years before they became the batting mainstays.

So, even if Shubman Gill getsb a look in in the last two ODIs, I do not think he should be in the world cup. Next world cup will be the right stage for him if he get established in the Indian side.

Right now, Shubman Gill is a promising player. Let him establish himself in the team first.

 

[BreadPakoda]

NZ missed a trick by playing their out-of-form team. India has been extremely lucky not to get brutally exposed.

 

[dragon751]

Shubman Gill may be an exciting talent and all that, but one cannot expect him to start performing at the highest level right from the first match and become the mainstay of indian batting immediately. Even Tendulkar and Kohli stayed in the Indian team for a few years before they became the batting mainstays.

So, even if Shubman Gill getsb a look in in the last two ODIs, I do not think he should be in the world cup. Next world cup will be the right stage for him if he get established in the Indian side.

Right now, Shubman Gill is a promising player. Let him establish himself in the team first.

While i agree with the logic of your argument ..... i think he is a better option that Rayudu . Gill even at this young age has shown the temperament and skill and ability to construct an inngs ( better than kohli at a similar age, kohli was right about that in the post match ) under pressure situations , even if he is not played in any game in the wc he should be in the squad

 

[dragon751]

I watched him bat in the U19 WC games. Let's see if he gets to play in this series

kohli all but admitted that youngsters will get to play in the next two games ( gill is the only youngster in the squad, relatively speaking)

 

[rhony]

NZ missed a trick by playing their out-of-form team. India has been extremely lucky not to get brutally exposed.

India can expose hacks. Munro is out of WC I think. Taylor showed his class. I thought Kane was unlucky a couple of times. Latham did his thing but the rest aren't very good batsmen. They can feast on mediocre bowling but haven't played 50 overs in none of the games is shocking. They seem like a poor man's England with all the 350+ scores against SL

 

[topspin]

NZ are a world class outfit but they have been humiliated at home against the no.1 team. It just shows how good this India side is.

Other than England I don't see anyone in contention for this year's WC. But I have India as favourites because they have far superior bowling resources.

 

[rhony]

While i agree with the logic of your argument ..... i think he is a better option that Rayudu . Gill even at this young age has shown the temperament and skill and ability to construct an inngs ( better than kohli at a similar age, kohli was right about that in the post match ) under pressure situations , even if he is not played in any game in the wc he should be in the squad

Question is if he fits into the Indian template. India hopes to restrict teams to under 270 and chase them pressure free. Top 3 batters will score more than half the runs and the rest are currently capable of scoring the remaining runs. There's plenty of experience and good enough skill to execute that. Can Gill chase? No one knows. He'll be under pressure. Don't think they will take a risk. They might still take him to WC as a backup though

 

[dragon751]

Question is if he fits into the Indian template. India hopes to restrict teams to under 270 and chase them pressure free. Top 3 batters will score more than half the runs and the rest are currently capable of scoring the remaining runs. There's plenty of experience and good enough skill to execute that. Can Gill chase? No one knows. He'll be under pressure. Don't think they will take a risk. They might still take him to WC as a backup though

thats the point ... he has chased under pressure in the u19 wc and ipl and his ability to score big in ranji is proven ...... has all the strokes as well as a good defence.... thats why there is so much hype and expectation from this kid

 

[rhony]

thats the point ... he has chased under pressure in the u19 wc and ipl and his ability to score big in ranji is proven ...... has all the strokes as well as a good defence.... thats why there is so much hype and expectation from this kid

I see. Maybe he'll play No.3 in the next two games.

 

[dragon751]

thats the point ... he has chased under pressure in the u19 wc and ipl and his ability to score big in ranji is proven ...... has all the strokes as well as a good defence.... thats why there is so much hype and expectation from this kid

give him these 2 games and the 5 coming up against aus at home and he should be able to get his feet wet in intl cricket , enough for the selectors to decide if they want him in the wc squad or not

 

[rhony]

Yeah, may have peaked too early with everything going their way. Law of averages will eventually catch up with them, for India's sake they better hope it's not in a WC KO match.

Man that Aussie team in the 2000s always peaked too early with everything going their way. Law of averages... Wait...

Peaking early, late are all made up words by lazy teams that procrastinate. There are good teams that are clinical and make every match count. That's how you gain valuable experience. U don't gain much by bashing SL or Zim. Lessons learned huh...

 

[Sherlock]

India have just battered NZ, again. The same NZ side that are no mugs in white ball cricket.

Brilliant performance again. Any other side and I feel they'd be confident of winning but not against India. No worries, join the club

 

[Mamoon]

There should always be a best of 3 finals in world cup. Anyone can have a fluke day (like Ind in 83 WC or Pak in CT final) but best of 3 meaning the best team invariably wins the tournament.

Best of 3 defeats the purpose of a knockout game and dilutes the excitement. A final is supposed to be what it is, a final. It is about performing on the day and going home with the trophy or with regrets. It is not about having a 3 match bilateral series to determine the champion.

The ability to perform on the day is a big component of being a champion team. The great West Indies managed to do it twice and Australia did it thrice. This Indian team will also have to do it to be remembered in history. Same goes for England as well.

 

[jeetu]

India in New Zealand Test Record
[table=width: 500, class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Ind in NZ [/td][td]Mat [/td][td] Ind Won [/td][td]NZ won [/td][td]Draw [/td][td]Winner [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1967/68 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]India [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1975/76 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]drawn [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1980/81 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]New Zealand [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1989/90 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]New Zealand [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] 1993/94 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]drawn [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1998/99 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]New Zealand [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2002/03 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]New Zealand [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2008/09 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]India [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2013/14 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]New Zealand [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Overall [/td][td]23 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]10 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[/table]

 

[jeetu]

India in New Zealand Bilateral ODI Series

[table=width: 500, class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Year [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Ind Won [/td][td]NZ Won [/td][td]Tied [/td][td]NR [/td][td]Winner [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] 1975/76 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]New Zealand [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] 1980/81 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]New Zealand [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] 1993/94 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]drawn [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] 1998/99 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]drawn [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] 2002/03 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]New Zealand [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] 2008/09 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]India [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] 2013/14 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]New Zealand [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] 2018/19 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]Ongoing [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Overall [/td][td]33 [/td][td]12 [/td][td]18 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]2 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[/table]

 

[latecut]

Shami is 135-140K bowler, occasionally above 140K.
Bhuvi is 130-135K Bowler, occasionally above 135K.
Pandy is 130-135K Bowler, occasionally above 135K(at least from what I seen today).

People in India as well as New Zealand saw Shami bowling at 146k in the second spell, If you saw Shami bowling in 135-140k range then please get your eyes (as well as your bias) checked up.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

There should always be a best of 3 finals in world cup. Anyone can have a fluke day (like Ind in 83 WC or Pak in CT final) but best of 3 meaning the best team invariably wins the tournament.

Best of 3 defeats the purpose of a knockout game and dilutes the excitement. A final is supposed to be what it is, a final. It is about performing on the day and going home with the trophy or with regrets. It is not about having a 3 match bilateral series to determine the champion.

The ability to perform on the day is a big component of being a champion team. The great West Indies managed to do it twice and Australia did it thrice. This Indian team will also have to do it to be remembered in history. Same goes for England as well.

I agree with this one that it should be best of 3 finals.

NBA, MLB have the best of 3 finals to prove who is the best of the lot. That eliminates the stroke of luck or just a team having an off day.

The example you gave of Australia is flawed because they were so far ahead of everyone having 4 or 5 ATGs that it was inevitable they would win the World Cup.

But was India really the better team in 83 WC? Or was Pakistan the best team in the 92 World Cup?

I am all for having best of 3 finals to rule out flukes.

 

[Ganju Baba]

I agree with this one that it should be best of 3 finals.

NBA, MLB have the best of 3 finals to prove who is the best of the lot. That eliminates the stroke of luck or just a team having an off day.

The example you gave of Australia is flawed because they were so far ahead of everyone having 4 or 5 ATGs that it was inevitable they would win the World Cup.

But was India really the better team in 83 WC? Or was Pakistan the best team in the 92 World Cup?

I am all for having best of 3 finals to rule out flukes.

Yep. You shouldn't suffer for the next 4 years (in some cases, a lifetime) if your 1 or 2 key players didn't click that day or was on the receiving end of a less than good umpiring decision.

Surely the two best teams in the world can go head to head for 3 times to cement the supremacy.

 

[JattMaula]

Yep. You shouldn't suffer for the next 4 years (in some cases, a lifetime) if your 1 or 2 key players didn't click that day or was on the receiving end of a less than good umpiring decision.

Surely the two best teams in the world can go head to head for 3 times to cement the supremacy.

Then why stop at final? What about semi? QF?

 

[dragon751]

Indian fans should just get themselves some vacation till World Cup starts. I think team is pretty much all set with their lineup. No need to pull your hair and go into silly arguments with Pak/BD posters.

so just curious ... hows the BD team selection coming along ?

 

[Dr_Bassim]

There should always be a best of 3 finals in world cup. Anyone can have a fluke day (like Ind in 83 WC or Pak in CT final) but best of 3 meaning the best team invariably wins the tournament.

Best of 3 defeats the purpose of a knockout game and dilutes the excitement. A final is supposed to be what it is, a final. It is about performing on the day and going home with the trophy or with regrets. It is not about having a 3 match bilateral series to determine the champion.

The ability to perform on the day is a big component of being a champion team. The great West Indies managed to do it twice and Australia did it thrice. This Indian team will also have to do it to be remembered in history. Same goes for England as well.

Then why stop at final? What about semi? QF?

The best teams usually make it to the final.

And if you lose having an off day in QF or SF, you don't deserve a chance at glory in the final.