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India [274/7] defeat South Africa [201] by 73 runs to take an unassailable 4-1 lead ODI series

The difference between the sides Pakistan played and India played is immense.

Only Faf (lost 1st ODI inspite of 100) and miss firing De Cock is missing ...still SA lost today, who else you wanted today ?
 
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I wonder what is the correct depiction of things

- Is this Indian team one of the most superior in history with all bases covered i.e. batting, bowling, fielding and a level of professionalism, confidence, self belief and swagger being the top paid cricketers in the world never ever seen before?

- Is this South African team one of the weakest in history with no where near the same quality and class of the previous South African teams? Even the Pakistani team after a humiliating bashing against India were able to beat this South African team in the CT. I recall Darry Cullinan once mention in an interview in 2014 that the future of South African Cricket just did not look bright even though the side had a peak Dale Steyn, A B Devilliers, Morne Morkel, some Kolpak players and his reasoning was that the quality of players in the U-19 team, A team and in domestic cricket were just not up to par and were underperforming. I believe what he was mentioning was true and is showing up today.
 
I wonder what is the correct depiction of things

- Is this Indian team one of the most superior in history with all bases covered i.e. batting, bowling, fielding and a level of professionalism, confidence, self belief and swagger being the top paid cricketers in the world never ever seen before?

- Is this South African team one of the weakest in history with no where near the same quality and class of the previous South African teams? Even the Pakistani team after a humiliating bashing against India were able to beat this South African team in the CT. I recall Darry Cullinan once mention in an interview in 2014 that the future of South African Cricket just did not look bright even though the side had a peak Dale Steyn, A B Devilliers, Morne Morkel, some Kolpak players and his reasoning was that the quality of players in the U-19 team, A team and in domestic cricket were just not up to par and were underperforming. I believe what he was mentioning was true and is showing up today.

India won not because of an extraordinary team , but because of extraordinary performances of 4 guys plus Rohit this time. Rest of the team are not even in Bangladesh level.
 
I wonder what is the correct depiction of things

- Is this Indian team one of the most superior in history with all bases covered i.e. batting, bowling, fielding and a level of professionalism, confidence, self belief and swagger being the top paid cricketers in the world never ever seen before?

- Is this South African team one of the weakest in history with no where near the same quality and class of the previous South African teams? Even the Pakistani team after a humiliating bashing against India were able to beat this South African team in the CT. I recall Darry Cullinan once mention in an interview in 2014 that the future of South African Cricket just did not look bright even though the side had a peak Dale Steyn, A B Devilliers, Morne Morkel, some Kolpak players and his reasoning was that the quality of players in the U-19 team, A team and in domestic cricket were just not up to par and were underperforming. I believe what he was mentioning was true and is showing up today.

Lol. Not even close. Sehwag/Sachin/Gambhir/Kohli/Yuvraj/Raina/Dhoni It is hard to match that line up. But these two leggies are a revelation.
 
I wonder what is the correct depiction of things

- Is this Indian team one of the most superior in history with all bases covered i.e. batting, bowling, fielding and a level of professionalism, confidence, self belief and swagger being the top paid cricketers in the world never ever seen before?

- Is this South African team one of the weakest in history with no where near the same quality and class of the previous South African teams? Even the Pakistani team after a humiliating bashing against India were able to beat this South African team in the CT. I recall Darry Cullinan once mention in an interview in 2014 that the future of South African Cricket just did not look bright even though the side had a peak Dale Steyn, A B Devilliers, Morne Morkel, some Kolpak players and his reasoning was that the quality of players in the U-19 team, A team and in domestic cricket were just not up to par and were underperforming. I believe what he was mentioning was true and is showing up today.

India has an extremely average LOI team. i am actually surprised that they are winning. They have a better Test team
 
I wonder what is the correct depiction of things

- Is this Indian team one of the most superior in history with all bases covered i.e. batting, bowling, fielding and a level of professionalism, confidence, self belief and swagger being the top paid cricketers in the world never ever seen before?

- Is this South African team one of the weakest in history with no where near the same quality and class of the previous South African teams? Even the Pakistani team after a humiliating bashing against India were able to beat this South African team in the CT. I recall Darry Cullinan once mention in an interview in 2014 that the future of South African Cricket just did not look bright even though the side had a peak Dale Steyn, A B Devilliers, Morne Morkel, some Kolpak players and his reasoning was that the quality of players in the U-19 team, A team and in domestic cricket were just not up to par and were underperforming. I believe what he was mentioning was true and is showing up today.

You will get answer, when same SA team plays well vs other teams including AUS due next.
 
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Please do tell me a better ODI team other than England?

The problem is , India is playing the old classical ODI . Secure start and accelerating at the end. In India's case , the top 3 has to do both. While other teams have power players coming later. So in a slog fest , India is way behind.
 
Please do tell me a better ODI team other than England?

If you go by performance India thoroughly deserves No 1 team tag. But if you look at how they are doing it, you know it is not sustainable. India is basically three batsman + three bowlers + a reliable WK. Results notwithstanding would you trust them to deliver this way consistently over a period of time? Would you be confident entering a big ICC tournament with this team? So they are currently just average team which are producing excellent results due to highly talented individuals.

By the way England LOI team is overrated. I would take Aus/India/Pak and even improved SL over them any day.
 
South Africa deserve to loose the series. I am surprised they will not loose by 6-0. Pitches like this will never help them to win against subcontinent team. Even Afghanistan is favorite to win series against them in these spin pitches.
Had these test series played on these type of pitches India would have won 3-0 and couple of them with innings victory.
South Africa have never answer to spin, they can onlyu play either on flat or fast bowling pitches.
 
India look the outright favorites for 2019 World Cup... scary stuff!!
 
Pathetic stuff from SA. Brilliant stuff from India. Who would've thought Sa would be this abysmal against spin :((
 
Later this year there is a Tri series in SL along with Ban. Bully them and Dhoni can rest easy.
 
wow totally missed this!

Congrats India

only SL left to win in SA now
 
South Africa deserve to loose the series. I am surprised they will not loose by 6-0. Pitches like this will never help them to win against subcontinent team. Even Afghanistan is favorite to win series against them in these spin pitches.
Had these test series played on these type of pitches India would have won 3-0 and couple of them with innings victory.
South Africa have never answer to spin, they can onlyu play either on flat or fast bowling pitches.

You don't get the kind of bounce Rabada and Morkel were getting on spinning pitches.
 
Pathetic team chosen for t20 series.Whats teh point in playing established players in t20,no one cares who wins that.

T20 team should have all new players who are potential entrees into ODI side -
Vijay shankar
Rahul
Thampi
Ishan kishan
Samson
Axar
etc etc

The sole goal of t20 matches leading to w19 should be find players for lower middle order and alternative option to hardik pandya.
 
Those who r blaming the pitch and calling it a spin friendly pitch have lack of understanding about cricket. Ask ashwin or jaddu to bowl on the same pitch and they will severely struggle there.

Fact is top class wrist spinners don't need dustbowls to spin the ball. They can spin the ball almost on any surface.
 
Pathetic team chosen for t20 series.Whats teh point in playing established players in t20,no one cares who wins that.

T20 team should have all new players who are potential entrees into ODI side -
Vijay shankar
Rahul
Thampi
Ishan kishan
Samson
Axar
etc etc

The sole goal of t20 matches leading to w19 should be find players for lower middle order and alternative option to hardik pandya.

If they pick kids who might then perform which will lead to pressure on the hacks and oldies in the odi team Kohli and his lackey don't want that.
 
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