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India [324/4] beat New Zealand [234] by 90 runs in the 2nd ODI, lead series 2-0

India put on a very challenging 324/4 CRR: 6.48 in the 2nd ODI against New Zealand after opting to bat ; Rohit Sharma (87), Shikhar Dhawan (66) the main contributors from India, with 2 wickets each for Trent Boult and Lockie Ferguson;
 
Come a do or die game, I'm not going to back a team which is top heavy and doesn't have the fire power or consistency to recover after a top order has been knocked off early.

If India are chasing 300+ and they lose 2 early, it's game over against any top team.

In a crunch game, any team thats chasing 300+ is already out. English are the biggest chokers and I don't believe there's any other team that can chase 300+ in a crunch game. At least India has top 3 that can and the rest can chase down any reasonable target. Replace Shankar with Pandya and Rayudu with literally anybody and this is a gun lineup. They won't score 350 but they don't need to because they have the best bowling attack in the world. They are experienced enough to stroll through the park for sub 300 scores.
 
They ain't bad. Indian fans are greedy and just want the 350 hitting ability of England without the 100 all out ability of England at the same time. Replace Hackidu with anybody and this is a gun lineup that can hunt down targets. They got a superb pace attack.and gun spinners (thanks to CT final)

What logic is this? How can you achieve something without being greedy about it? 80's WI and and post 2000 Aus didn't become ATG by settling for mediocrity. Yes we have gun bowling and legendary top order doesn't mean we should be carrying a useless middle order just cuz we can afford to.
 
Come a do or die game, I'm not going to back a team which is top heavy and doesn't have the fire power or consistency to recover after a top order has been knocked off early.

If India are chasing 300+ and they lose 2 early, it's game over against any top team.

Dont think those are the only reasons they win. They have two wristies and Bumrah with good support bowlers.
 
NZ can still.make a match out of this because of Shankar. They will attack him. If Bumrah or Pandya were playing, I'd say for sure it's unreachable for NZ.
 
Rayudu is out of place on this team. He can secure his wicket and score at around 100 SR, but he's simply incapable of pushing the SR up. He gets out almost every time he attempts to score quickly.

If he had stayed, the total may have barely touched 300.

Sharma, Dhawan, Kholi, Dhoni, Jadhav, Pandya are all capable of going nuclear when circumstances demand. Rayudu is the only player who's the odd man out here.
 
When you consider how easy paced pitch it was and how rubbish NZ bowling attack was they should have easily put up 360 plus.
 
When you consider how easy paced pitch it was and how rubbish NZ bowling attack was they should have easily put up 360 plus.

Someone less selfish and better than Rayadu would have scored an extra 25 runs from the same number of balls. That's your difference.
 
What logic is this? How can you achieve something without being greedy about it? 80's WI and and post 2000 Aus didn't become ATG by settling for mediocrity. Yes we have gun bowling and legendary top order doesn't mean we should be carrying a useless middle order just cuz we can afford to.

Team strategy is to contain the opposition to sub 300. They have the batting lineup to chase 300. Simple. They are consistent in their approach and the results already show. Dhoni is not your problem. Jadav is not your problem. It's Rayudu. He single handedly sabotaged the team today. So one guy doesn't make up the middle order. The same Dhoni and Jadav won the 3rd game vs AUS.

India is not the 2000s Australia or the 70s WI. They are the best of the lot along with England who have their own flaws and that's enough to win a WC.
 
In a crunch game, any team thats chasing 300+ is already out. English are the biggest chokers and I don't believe there's any other team that can chase 300+ in a crunch game. At least India has top 3 that can and the rest can chase down any reasonable target. Replace Shankar with Pandya and Rayudu with literally anybody and this is a gun lineup. They won't score 350 but they don't need to because they have the best bowling attack in the world. They are experienced enough to stroll through the park for sub 300 scores.

If Shankar bowls well today I would rather we dump rayudu for pandya, with 3 part timers, 2 of whom can definitely slog and Shankar has shown he can atleast bat ok enough with India A we are a much more balanced side.
 
The CT final seems to be the cause of the greediness. How could India have won that CT final against Pak? Fans think they need a solid middle order that could have scored 340 against the rampaging Pak line up after the top 3 flopped. That's impossible. You can't have 7 kohlis in the team. Indian team approached this in a different way. They realized the best way is to make sure it's not easy for other teams to score 340. They fired Ashwin, Yuvraj, brought the spin twins and the results are there for everyone to see. Indian bowling is the lesson learned from CT final. Not the Indian batting. You never take inexperience to a world cup when experienced players are good enough. Remove Rayudu though. He's useless
 
Someone less selfish and better than Rayadu would have scored an extra 25 runs from the same number of balls. That's your difference.

Rayudu giving chance to others means, he could lose his spot to anyone. So he won't take risks. He will hack his way just enough to make sure his competitions don't get enough balls.
 
If Shankar bowls well today I would rather we dump rayudu for pandya, with 3 part timers, 2 of whom can definitely slog and Shankar has shown he can atleast bat ok enough with India A we are a much more balanced side.

Can't take Pandya out. Shankar is too slow. Pandya is clutch. He's not under pressure and actually thrives during crunch moments. You need that for big games. Shankar choked and almost cost Nidahas
 
I want NZ to win. But Indian bowling can win the game for India and make sure the middle order gets less heat.
 
Can't take Pandya out. Shankar is too slow. Pandya is clutch. He's not under pressure and actually thrives during crunch moments. You need that for big games. Shankar choked and almost cost Nidahas

You seem to have misunderstood me, if Shankar bowls well, middle 4 should be Dhoni, Jadhav, Pandya and Shankar. 3 additional options to our 4 bowlers gives us a bit breathing space and Shankar did top score against NZ in the A series so he can't be worse than Chief Selector quota selection.
 
You seem to have misunderstood me, if Shankar bowls well, middle 4 should be Dhoni, Jadhav, Pandya and Shankar. 3 additional options to our 4 bowlers gives us a bit breathing space and Shankar did top score against NZ in the A series so he can't be worse than Chief Selector quota selection.

I don't see a value in Shankar's bowling TBH. If he swings the ball at 125, it's a different story. It's just back of a length. Even on the A tours he bowled very little. DK is probably a better option down the order if Dhoni has to play at 4. I prefer a good No.4 batsman that can continue the momentum of top 3. I thought Rahul.was that guy. Let's see if Gill or even Pant can prove themselves
 
India 25 runs short Here.
Jadhav should bat above dhoni when platform is set by top order like buttler comes early for England when platform is set by top order.
Dhoni unnecessarily waits till last 2 overs for hitting Which is shamefull.
 
Team strategy is to contain the opposition to sub 300. They have the batting lineup to chase 300. Simple. They are consistent in their approach and the results already show. Dhoni is not your problem. Jadav is not your problem. It's Rayudu. He single handedly sabotaged the team today. So one guy doesn't make up the middle order. The same Dhoni and Jadav won the 3rd game vs AUS.

India is not the 2000s Australia or the 70s WI. They are the best of the lot along with England who have their own flaws and that's enough to win a WC.

This is cricket not bollywood, we can't use the same hit formula over and over again. We have a goat top order but law of average will catch up to them eventually, what then? Do you want a repeat of the CT final? Or that group match against Lanka where we were 40 runs short and they easily chased it? Admit it or not our inability to set up a decent total on flat pitches will eventually come and get us if we continue to carry lame jokes like Rayudu and Dhoni. Dhoni is the nucleus of the problem, he is the patient zero of this outbreak, struggles to connect the ball and expect others to do the heavy lifting only for him to claim the bigger share of the credit, this has to stop,period. Don't tell me we don't have talents to replace him, we actually have too many, hell even a over the hill Raina would have done much better if he received half the backing that Dhoni gets. You mark my words Dhoni will single handedly lose us at least a couple games at the WC, I just hope and pray it doesn't happen during knock out stages. Got nothing against Jadhav though, on the contrary I think he is a must for the team balance.

I know we aren't ATG Aussie or Windies, but we should aspire to become like them one day and for that to happen we can't allow even a single microscopic chink in the armour. Need to mercilessly purge the has beens ignoring their legacies and past heroics. We have the talents at our disposal just need to gather the will to do the right thing.
 
Kedar Jadhav is such an under-valued cricketer. Against the top 6 teams he averages 45 with the bat, striking at an impressive 111. Also he is a handy part timer with the ball.

He is under-utilised a lot as a batsman and should take Rayudu's place at no 4. It will suit his batting style more as he is good with finding gaps. We can play Karthik or Pant at no 6.
 
Dhoni put down a sitter. luckiest player of the match is not Dhoni now. It should be Guptill hahha. Will he make his luck count.
 
This is cricket not bollywood, we can't use the same hit formula over and over again. We have a goat top order but law of average will catch up to them eventually, what then? Do you want a repeat of the CT final? Or that group match against Lanka where we were 40 runs short and they easily chased it? Admit it or not our inability to set up a decent total on flat pitches will eventually come and get us if we continue to carry lame jokes like Rayudu and Dhoni. Dhoni is the nucleus of the problem, he is the patient zero of this outbreak, struggles to connect the ball and expect others to do the heavy lifting only for him to claim the bigger share of the credit, this has to stop,period. Don't tell me we don't have talents to replace him, we actually have too many, hell even a over the hill Raina would have done much better if he received half the backing that Dhoni gets. You mark my words Dhoni will single handedly lose us at least a couple games at the WC, I just hope and pray it doesn't happen during knock out stages. Got nothing against Jadhav though, on the contrary I think he is a must for the team balance.

I know we aren't ATG Aussie or Windies, but we should aspire to become like them one day and for that to happen we can't allow even a single microscopic chink in the armour. Need to mercilessly purge the has beens ignoring their legacies and past heroics. We have the talents at our disposal just need to gather the will to do the right thing.

Again CT final is a bowling failure. Not batting. No one can chase 340 when your top 3 is back in the hut. This lineup is set for worldcup. So far Dhoni showed his value in the AUS series and this game. His keeping has degraded a bit too but Pant is too new for a wk spot in a world cup. The team you want will be set after the WC. Teams rebuild after every WC
 
India is being generous again today as they were in the first ODI. A couple of easy chances off Guptill missed
 
Kedar Jadhav is such an under-valued cricketer. Against the top 6 teams he averages 45 with the bat, striking at an impressive 111. Also he is a handy part timer with the ball.

He is under-utilised a lot as a batsman and should take Rayudu's place at no 4. It will suit his batting style more as he is good with finding gaps. We can play Karthik or Pant at no 6.

I think it's his running between the wickets that's an issue. Kohli wants to bat with people who run as fast as him
 
Again CT final is a bowling failure. Not batting. No one can chase 340 when your top 3 is back in the hut. This lineup is set for worldcup. So far Dhoni showed his value in the AUS series and this game. His keeping has degraded a bit too but Pant is too new for a wk spot in a world cup. The team you want will be set after the WC. Teams rebuild after every WC

Yeah I know, he is a lock for the WC unfortunately. Pant should have been blooded in at least a year back with Ishan Kishaan as back up.
 
That was soft from Guptill, he hasn't lookee good outside that one century since returning from injury.
 
Yeah I know, he is a lock for the WC unfortunately. Pant should have been blooded in at least a year back with Ishan Kishaan as back up.

Yes. Too late now as a wk. He's still in the reckoning as a batsman I guess.
 
I think it's his running between the wickets that's an issue. Kohli wants to bat with people who run as fast as him

Also you're never quite sure when's he going to pull hamstring especially when playing for more than an hour. But him and Pandya are utility players and very important down the order as well as with the ball.
 
Also you're never quite sure when's he going to pull hamstring especially when playing for more than an hour. But him and Pandya are utility players and very important down the order as well as with the ball.

Actually this is probably the biggest reason.
 
Wrong line. Gotto bowl short hitting the badge. He is suspect against short ball
 
Ishan was a big failure yesterday against England-A yesterday that India- A won handsomely. Bihari hit a blazing knock while the superstar teenager is still getting to term with international games! Pakistan bloodied Shaheen in test matches and result is for every one to see. India is doing good. Ishan will get his chances. Right now except for Rayudu, rest of the team is set, short of injury. This is best team (or may be second best to India under-21 team as per some here) that India has; keeping skill, talent and experience in account.
 
Short ball isn't a good option to Kane. He will do that all day
 
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Williamson gets stuck in , Kiwis will need some good overs now and then , to keep required rate under control.
 
This is why Kohli is king, he can hit as good as any but never gets carried away like this, poor from Kane, plan your run chase, don't get too cocky.
 
India is experimenting or what.. Why are they using this as a strategy on this small ground. Bouncers against quality batsman like KW. Anyway he is out now.
 
I doubt kiwis will cross 275, despite all these fireworks! Spinners still to come!
 
I've lost count how many times Kane has chopped on.

Playing behind square for a ball way too close, you'd think he would have corrected that by now with how often he gets out like that.
 
Shami and Bhuvi were keeping them quiet with good length ball. Suddenly they decided they could bounce players out on this tiny ground
 
India is experimenting or what.. Why are they using this as a strategy on this small ground. Bouncers against quality batsman like KW. Anyway he is out now.

The 2nd six was just Shami's ego. Kohli was livid
 
I've lost count how many times Kane has chopped on.

Playing behind square for a ball way too close, you'd think he would have corrected that by now with how often he gets out like that.

India cut his bread and butter single to third man shot just for this purpose
 
I think it's his running between the wickets that's an issue. Kohli wants to bat with people who run as fast as him

Yeah his fitness is a big concern. But I still think he should be batting a bit higher. He is not a powerful slogger, but he is a street smart batsman who is good at finding gaps. He will be of much more use at no 4. He has done more than Rayudu to warrant that spot.

Also this can solve our MO crisis as Karthik and Pandya at 6 and 7 are decent finishers.
 
India cut his bread and butter single to third man shot just for this purpose
Every team does it and he makes the same mistake everytime. I've seen him make the same mistake in the 90s.
 
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