India end Day 3 of 1st Test against New Zealand at 144/4, trail by 39 runs

[tyron_woodley]

They need to do what Pakistan does each time they tour England.

Arrive early and play lots of red ball cricket before the Test series.

Instead India keep playing white ball nonsense and then a single 15-a-side joke side match.

It’s completely unacceptable that Bumrah and Shami wasted 1/4 of the series by bowling a metre too short. I would expect even a teenager to have adjusted by the time the Test series starts.

New Zealand is a team with one top batsman, one top keeper and one top bowler, backed up by has-beens like Taylor and nobodies like pretty much the rest of the team. It’s not okay to lose to them because you couldn’t be bothered to acclimatise in match conditions.

as if india would practice red ball cricket before the test series. They will get paid to play odi and t20 games. Practice games won't generate income. That's why they proceed to play test straight away.

 

[Junaids]

Whoever thinks that this Indian team is even half as good as those GOAT Aus or WI teams have my deepest sympathies.

Only the Indians think that they are the best team, let alone an ATG team.

They got smashed to pieces around the world by everyone the last year that they played outside Asia (2018), and because they beat a half-strength Australia and have hidden at home ever since they have come to think they are better than they really are.

The whole reason this is such a good Test is because it is between two evenly matched mediocre teams in a very very weak era. I’ve been watching Test cricket for 45 years and there has never been an era in which a team as mediocre as this India team has been the strongest team.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Only the Indians think that they are the best team, let alone an ATG team.

They got smashed to pieces around the world by everyone the last year that they played outside Asia (2018), and because they beat a half-strength Australia and have hidden at home ever since they have come to think they are better than they really are.

The whole reason this is such a good Test is because it is between two evenly matched mediocre teams in a very very weak era. I’ve been watching Test cricket for 45 years and there has never been an era in which a team as mediocre as this India team has been the strongest team.

no. many teams are strong at home now. that's the difference. toss makes a huge difference. Teams play 3 formats. Makes it much harder. Teams are just as strong now if not stronger than the past era's.

this n.z. team has won 11 series at home and only.lost 2. Every team is dominant at home. india just took home domination to another level whilst being competitive away.

in saying that they were absolutely pathetic today. Poor pathetic performance.

 

[Junaids]

as if india would practice red ball cricket before the test series. They will get paid to play odi and t20 games. Practice games won't generate income. That's why they proceed to play test straight away.

Can you imagine if a team turned up unprepared for a FIFA World Cup because they had been too busy generating income to prepare properly?

I feel really sorry for Indian fans. You have the most talented players in the world yet endure never-ending Test humiliation every time you go to Australia, England, New Zealand or South Africa because the players and the board can’t be bothered to prepare properly.

This Kiwi team just got splattered in Australia. Yet India purport to be the best team, but have spent the last three days proving how far inferior to Australia (and even England) they are.

 

[Heisenberg111]

no. many teams are strong at home now. that's the difference. toss makes a huge difference. Teams play 3 formats. Makes it much harder. Teams are just as strong now if not stronger than the past era's.

this n.z. team has won 11 series at home and only.lost 2.
Every team is dominant at home.
india just took home domination to another level whilst being competitive away.

in saying that they were absolutely pathetic today. Poor pathetic performance.

No team is as dominant at home like India is, thats why they are the no.1 side.

 

[Ab Fan]

Really poor performance from India. Indian team standards are higher. They took NZ easily and paid the price.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Can you imagine if a team turned up unprepared for a FIFA World Cup because they had been too busy generating income to prepare properly?

I feel really sorry for Indian fans. You have the most talented players in the world yet endure never-ending Test humiliation every time you go to Australia, England, New Zealand or South Africa because the players and the board can’t be bothered to prepare properly.

This Kiwi team just got splattered in Australia. Yet India purport to be the best team, but have spent the last three days proving how far inferior to Australia (and even England) they are.

dude it's easier for SENA teams to perform in SENA Countries.

look at this n.z'a record at home.

For india to win in n.z toss matters as it makes a huge difference in SENA countries.

india need to learn to negate the toss to be a true Great team away from home.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

it is all over now. kohli is finished. india is finished. useless team. can't even bat well on flat wickets. pathetic.
home track bullies.

What if we win the toss in the next test match?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Strange things happen in cricket. You never know if India somehow manage to give a target of 150 then even NZ can collapse in the second inning.

 

[Mesozoic]

This Kiwi team just got splattered in Australia. Yet India purport to be the best team, but have spent the last three days proving how far inferior to Australia (and even England) they are.

Alright don't get too far ahead now. Australia are equally pathetic when it comes to playing in the subcontinent if not more. Ind and Oz are at par with each other currently , both invincible at home but vulnerable in alien conditions.

England lol.
They lost to this "over the hill" New Zealand team by an innings that too in favorable conditions.

 

[Heisenberg111]

This is an era of home dominance. T20 cricket has diluted test cricket and old fashioned virtues of test cricket are now going extinct, so its becoming harder for teams to compete away from home. India is basically the strongest home team by a mile, hence they are ranked no.1

 

[tyron_woodley]

This is an era of home dominance. T20 cricket has diluted test cricket and old fashioned virtues of test cricket are now going extinct, so its becoming harder for teams to compete away from home. India is basically the strongest home team by a mile, hence they are ranked no.1

this is the truth and india only win away in n.z and England if they win the toss. pamnautikohli never wins tosses away.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Nothing new.

India has always been pathetic in overseas. Kohli was lucky tk face Australia without Smith and Warner.

 

[Mesozoic]

When was the last time they scored a run ?

 

[tyron_woodley]

When was the last time they scored a run ?

loooiol bro I splashed my coffee haha. I checked the score I swear like 30 mins back. it is still the same rofl.

 

[Justcrazy]

Good partnership developing , Kiwis need a breakthrough.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Nothing new.

India has always been pathetic in overseas. Kohli was lucky tk face Australia without Smith and Warner.

not always. 2004-2011 they were extremely good away in SENA.

 

[Hyperion66]

I think you’re on something if you think Bumrah and Shami warrant an equal comparison with wasim and Waqar at this point

I think you have serious comprehension issues if you derived that from my post. Read slowly and try to understand each sentence before jumping to conclusions.

 

[Junaids]

Brave but unorthodox tactics by India.

Usually "playing for the second new ball" means scoring some runs against the old one. But this, well....

 

[Hyperion66]

How did you come to the conclusion that the 2Ws would have struggled here? Just because of looking at the batting averages?

Umm, may be because the current NZ line up being vastly superior than the one they had in that match has something to do with it? How do you judge a batsman without looking at his average? Like seriously man?

 

[Ab Fan]

India need to bat till tea tomorrow which I don't see happening. Will probably be bundled out at 220.

 

[Justcrazy]

India would love to go to stumps with four down here.

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

Ind vs Nz
Day 3, session 3

Ind 165, 137/4
Nz 348

Ind trail by 46 runs

 

[szrana]

Umm, may be because the current NZ line up being vastly superior than the one they had in that match has something to do with it? How do you judge a batsman without looking at his average? Like seriously man?

Lol, the 2 W's destroyed much superior lineups than this current NZ lineup at their peak.

 

[Kashmirilion]

Too many overreactions in this thread. If India get 150 lead this could get interesting.

 

[Danyaalr01]

Lol knew someone would write this. But that is the same approach that brought him unprecedented success in Australia last year.

And that is what he does best. Obviously, it won't work everytime and it doesn't look good when it fails to comes off.

But he has succeeded more times than not with the same method throughout his career.

On a pitch like this and with swing it is always risky to leave very early.

 

[Heisenberg111]

Too many overreactions in this thread. If India get 150 lead this could get interesting.

Nah, its a flat wicket, 150 is easily chaseable here. Wicket gets better for batting as time goes on.Pakistan chased 275 on this ground back in 2003, that too only for the loss of 3 wickets.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Lol, the 2 W's destroyed much superior lineups than this current NZ lineup at their peak.

not a lineup as good as current one. this one is real good at home. They also beat pakistan away albeit a much weaker version of pakistan. n.z pre bond were mediocre. They had a brief stint as a top side under hadlee. That's about it. strongest n.z teams were post 2014. This is their golden generation.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Nah, its a flat wicket, 150 is easily chaseable here. Wicket gets better for batting as time goes on.Pakistan chased 275 on this ground back in 2003, that too only for the loss of 3 wickets.

no way. not on day 5. it will be turning like crazy.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Too many overreactions in this thread. If India get 150 lead this could get interesting.

Can't call it over-reaction when India have been stinking up the whole joint.

Atrocious performance.

Only hope is some miracle 150 target and NZ imploding.

 

[Hyperion66]

Lol, the 2 W's destroyed much superior lineups than this current NZ lineup at their peak.

Do you guys collectively struggling to comprehend today? All I meant was bowling against Hartland and Rutherford is significantly easier than bowling against Taylor and Williamson. Not saying WW weren't capable of replicating the same feat against current line up but it would surely have been harder even for them.

 

[Hyperion66]

*Are*

 

[Heisenberg111]

no way. not on day 5. it will be turning like crazy.

This is Basin Reserve brother, not Mumbai. Wickets in NZ don't break much even on the 5th day. Ashwin will have to turn into Murali to defend a lead of 150, if India get there.

 

[Kashmirilion]

Can't call it over-reaction when India have been stinking up the whole joint.

Atrocious performance.

Only hope is some miracle 150 target and NZ imploding.

A game of test match cricket can turn around in a matter of a session if India bat out the first session and get a 150 lead I don't think the pitch is as flat and easy the way everyone is making out to be. Ashwin will come in to.play late day 4 or 5. Still think there's plenty of time left for India to turn this around. all bout grinding the new Zealand bowling and wearing them out. I think if India claw back in to this new Zealand would be dejected by day 5. Test cricket at its best..

 

[Danyaalr01]

Nah, its a flat wicket, 150 is easily chaseable here. Wicket gets better for batting as time goes on.Pakistan chased 275 on this ground back in 2003, that too only for the loss of 3 wickets.

This Basin wicket seems different than usual. It was turning a decent amount on day 2. By day 5 it will be turning quite a lot. Combine that with bounce and it will be difficult to chase above 150.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Lol knew someone would write this. But that is the same approach that brought him unprecedented success in Australia last year.

And that is what he does best. Obviously, it won't work everytime and it doesn't look good when it fails to comes off.

But he has succeeded more times than not with the same method throughout his career.

Just tired of those analysis.

Pujara once set can score big. This is his game and he has TONS of good knocks overseas.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

A game of test match cricket can turn around in a matter of a session if India bat out the first session and get a 150 lead I don't think the pitch is as flat and easy the way everyone is making out to be. Ashwin will come in to.play late day 4 or 5. Still think there's plenty of time left for India to turn this around. all bout grinding the new Zealand bowling and wearing them out. I think if India claw back in to this new Zealand would be dejected by day 5. Test cricket at its best..

Yeah....but it's more hope than likelihood at this point.

If India do it, that would be amazing.

But getting to 150 will be a challenge. Next defending it. Don't feel 150 would be hard to chase down here. Bowlers have to bowl out of their skins to defend it.

 

[Junaids]

Umm, may be because the current NZ line up being vastly superior than the one they had in that match has something to do with it? How do you judge a batsman without looking at his average? Like seriously man?

The current NZ line-up isn't stronger than the 1992-93 one, to be frank. You're just unfamiliar with the players.

Andrew Jones, Mark Greatbatch and Ken Rutherford would walk into this NZ batting line-up: Rudders was an unfulfilled talent for sure, but the reason why Transvaal had him as their skipper was because he was a top leader and a brilliant batsman on his day.

I would take Adam Parore over BJ Watling in a heartbeat as keeper - he's the greatest keeper-batsman that NZ has ever had. Watling is his equal in an era of inflated batting averages, but Parore was a far better keeper.

In terms of the bowling, Danny Morrison would walk into this team. And only injury kept out Chris Cairns - who also would - with Dion Nash appearing six months later, and he was better than Southee or Wagner too.

Bear in mind that Taylor and Watling are fading forces. But if I had to put together a composite 1994/2020 New Zealand team it would be:

1.Latham
2. Greatbatch
3. Jones
4. Williamson
5. Crowe
6. Rutherford (c)
7. Cairns
8. Parore (wk)
9. Nash
10. Boult
11. Morrison

Latham, Boult and Williamson are the only 2020 players in the team, although Ross Taylor would have walked into it a few years ago.

 

[Aman]

Lolol at NZ being a team with little talent in comparison to Pakistan

Williamson, Taylor, Watling, Boult, Wagner (not playing this game) and perhaps Southee would make the Pakistan team right now

You're forgetting Jamieson, CdG and Latham.

Only Pakistani players I can think who would make the NZ team are Babar, Yasir and Azhar (not the current version).

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

not always. 2004-2011 they were extremely good away in SENA.

 

[Aman]

The current NZ line-up isn't stronger than the 1992-93 one, to be frank. You're just unfamiliar with the players.

Andrew Jones, Mark Greatbatch and Ken Rutherford would walk into this NZ batting line-up: Rudders was an unfulfilled talent for sure, but the reason why Transvaal had him as their skipper was because he was a top leader and a brilliant batsman on his day.

I would take Adam Parore over BJ Watling in a heartbeat as keeper - he's the greatest keeper-batsman that NZ has ever had. Watling is his equal in an era of inflated batting averages, but Parore was a far better keeper.

In terms of the bowling, Danny Morrison would walk into this team. And only injury kept out Chris Cairns - who also would - with Dion Nash appearing six months later, and he was better than Southee or Wagner too.

Bear in mind that Taylor and Watling are fading forces. But if I had to put together a composite 1994/2020 New Zealand team it would be:

1.Latham
2. Greatbatch
3. Jones
4. Williamson
5. Crowe
6. Rutherford (c)
7. Cairns
8. Parore (wk)
9. Nash
10. Boult
11. Morrison

Latham, Boult and Williamson are the only 2020 players in the team, although Ross Taylor would have walked into it a few years ago.

Not even Parore's mother would select him over Watling.

 

[Junaids]

Do you guys collectively struggling to comprehend today? All I meant was bowling against Hartland and Rutherford is significantly easier than bowling against Taylor and Williamson. Not saying WW weren't capable of replicating the same feat against current line up but it would surely have been harder even for them.

No. Ken Rutherford is the second most talented batsman that NZ has ever had. He was shellshocked by having to start his career as a makeshift opener in the West Indies, for sure, but you won't find too many Kiwis my age (50) or above who don't place him right up at the very very top in the Pantheon of Kiwi batsmen.

He was just before his time - he was a superior version of Brendan McCullum in a period when balls still had seams and pitches still had grass and bats were a quarter of their current size.

 

[Junaids]

Not even Parore's mother would select him over Watling.

Remember Chris Doig?

He saved New Zealand cricket as CEO after the Glenn Turner Vendetta Machine had thrown out Chris Cairns and Adam Parore.

He got rid of the Canterbury fumbler Lee Germon as skipper and restored sanity.....and Cairns and Parore.

And the recall of those two - combined with getting a last little bit out of Dion Nash - is what set New Zealand back on track to where they are now.

I'd refer you to the New Zealand tour of Australia in 2001-02.

They toured against one of the 3 greatest teams in history and drew 0-0 away.

And Parore's average against McGrath, Lee, Gillespie and Warne was 75.

 

[Ab Fan]

Remember Chris Doig?

He saved New Zealand cricket as CEO after the Glenn Turner Vendetta Machine had thrown out Chris Cairns and Adam Parore.

He got rid of the Canterbury fumbler Lee Germon as skipper and restored sanity.....and Cairns and Parore.

And the recall of those two - combined with getting a last little bit out of Dion Nash - is what set New Zealand back on track to where they are now.

I'd refer you to the New Zealand tour of Australia in 2001-02.

They toured against one of the 3 greatest teams in history and drew 0-0 away.

And Parore's average against McGrath, Lee, Gillespie and Warne was 75.

You can't hype players based on a random stat. Laxman was so brilliant against McGrath and Warne and that great Australian team, will you rate him superior to say, Javed Miandad who never performed well against an attack of that calibre?

Watling walks into NZ all time test XI and his only competition is Brendon Mccullum for that spot.

 

[Aman]

Remember Chris Doig?

He saved New Zealand cricket as CEO after the Glenn Turner Vendetta Machine had thrown out Chris Cairns and Adam Parore.

He got rid of the Canterbury fumbler Lee Germon as skipper and restored sanity.....and Cairns and Parore.

And the recall of those two - combined with getting a last little bit out of Dion Nash - is what set New Zealand back on track to where they are now.

I'd refer you to the New Zealand tour of Australia in 2001-02.

They toured against one of the 3 greatest teams in history and drew 0-0 away.

And Parore's average against McGrath, Lee, Gillespie and Warne was 75.

Watling is widely considered NZ's best WK and the numbers support it. What puts him apart is his ability to score runs when the team needs it most, that's why he's so beloved by NZ fans. If he cashed in when it was easy and the pitch was flat, he'd average 50+.

Junaid's has selected Rutherford over McCullum lol. He averaged less than 30 and only scored 3 100s in 99 innings...

 

[Heisenberg111]

Remember Chris Doig?

He saved New Zealand cricket as CEO after the Glenn Turner Vendetta Machine had thrown out Chris Cairns and Adam Parore.

He got rid of the Canterbury fumbler Lee Germon as skipper and restored sanity.....and Cairns and Parore.

And the recall of those two - combined with getting a last little bit out of Dion Nash - is what set New Zealand back on track to where they are now.

I'd refer you to the New Zealand tour of Australia in 2001-02.

They toured against one of the 3 greatest teams in history and drew 0-0 away.

And Parore's average against McGrath, Lee, Gillespie and Warne was 75.

That series in 2001 was only drawn because of the rain, otherwise OZ would have won the first two tests. NZ only had a chance in the final test of that series. And no way is Parore better than Watling.

 

[Hyperion66]

No. Ken Rutherford is the second most talented batsman that NZ has ever had. He was shellshocked by having to start his career as a makeshift opener in the West Indies, for sure, but you won't find too many Kiwis my age (50) or above who don't place him right up at the very very top in the Pantheon of Kiwi batsmen.

He was just before his time - he was a superior version of Brendan McCullum in a period when balls still had seams and pitches still had grass and bats were a quarter of their current size.

Please don't waste my time with utterly ridiculous posts like this.

Thanks

 

[Justcrazy]

Day 3: India trail by 39 runs.

First session tomorrow will be crucial for both teams.

 

[Justcrazy]

Day 3: India trail by 39 runs.

First session tomorrow will be crucial for both teams.

 

[tyron_woodley]

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that's why I said 2004- 2011 they were good away.

 

[Amjid Javed]

India will need a dravid/laxman type reaguard here to save this match now.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

it is all over now. kohli is finished. india is finished. useless team. can't even bat well on flat wickets. pathetic.
home track bullies.

LOL.
I didn't think you were a Fair weather fan..
We are still in this.

 

[Ted123]

1-0 New Zealand now.

Kohli- 'Jamieson, come to India!'

 

[Saurav]

LOL.
I didn't think you were a Fair weather fan..
We are still in this.

Only technically

 

[sweep_shot]

India are 39 runs behind.

NZ should win this but India can make this interesting if they set a target of 150+.

 

[tyron_woodley]

1-0 New Zealand now.

Kohli- 'Jamieson, come to India!'

n.z are tough to beat at home though bud. Especially when they win the toss.

Give them some respect lol. India are still a good side but n.z is powerful at home.

 

[Junaids]

n.z are tough to beat at home though bud. Especially when they win the toss.

Give them some respect lol. India are still a good side but n.z is powerful at home.

I attended the Wellington Test three years ago.

Admittedly it was the first time that I saw the Aussies ball tampering - although I didn’t see the sandpaper - but NZ lost by an innings.

Powerful was not exactly the word!

 

[Slog]

I think if India can get a lead if 120+, they win

 

[Ab Fan]

I think if India can get a lead if 120+, they win

Nope. Pitch is good, this is not subcontinent. It doesn't detoriate as much. I think India will get to 225-235 tomorrow and NZ will chase down 50 runs comfortably.

 

[Varun]

Rahane and Vihari have to score centuries apiece for us to have any chance.

We also bat way too slowly - RR of 2.46 or thereabouts in both innings compared to NZ's 3.5.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Can't call it over-reaction when India have been stinking up the whole joint.

Atrocious performance.

Only hope is some miracle 150 target and NZ imploding.

Haven't followed the match but I don't think it's doom and gloom scenario. India can easily bat three sessions from here and win the match as batting last is always an issue and Nz have a strong tendency to choke. It's about 60-40 Nz-Ind split right now and personally I feel Ind should win. They are good at making comebacks and are number one for this very reason.

 

[Hasan123]

New Zealand are a strong team at home. They have done well in this test and look likely to win. Credit to them for playing well. Don't get why every time you need to call the losing team rubbish etc.

 

[Robert]

Come on you hobbits!

 

[szrana]

New Zealand are a strong team at home. They have done well in this test and look likely to win. Credit to them for playing well. Don't get why every time you need to call the losing team rubbish etc.

Weren't you the one who said India will thrash New Zealand, how is that turning out for you? lol

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Weren't you the one who said India will thrash New Zealand, how is that turning out for you? lol

Yeah and suddenly NZ are a strong team at home lol.

 

[Sachin136]

19 years ago we ended day 3 trailing by 20 runs with 4 wickets down in the third innings and went on to win it. Could happen again.