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India finally admits it lost fighter jets in clash with Pakistan – but refuses to say how many

Like they did this time 400 paar :bow:

The bitter truth is, Modi will go down in history as losing way more than he should have in terms of narrative and otherwise in skirmishes vs Pakistan. Pakistan has never been as vulnerable - mentally, emotionally, financially and culturally insecure - ever in history, as they have been during his time as PM. Previous Congress governments and Vajpayee have either dismantled Pak in wars or at least won the narrative.

The only thing Modi seems to be good for in these Ind-Pak events is to make a lot of noise while banging the empty heads of his bhakts, in India and abroad lol

Yes yes saaaar, it is our Rahul Pappu or bust for me...

Please please let's hope our gandi wins in 2059

:apology
 
Russia today hit at 4 airbases today by Ukrainian drones, mind you Russia has over 50 operational s400 and s300s and countless other soviet systems but can't secure their airspace, but indian military is the best in the world which knocked out every pakistani plane, drones and missiles.
destroyed in seconds... lol
 
Russia today hit at 4 airbases today by Ukrainian drones, mind you Russia has over 50 operational s400 and s300s and countless other soviet systems but can't secure their airspace, but indian military is the best in the world which knocked out every pakistani plane, drones and missiles.
I would suggest there's not much point arguing or engaging bakhts, these guys are down to 2 brain cells and they only use those for nonsense trolling.

Most bakhts have become armchair military experts recently. They think hitting airbases is some massive achievement bar none. In reality, there's a reason why airbases are always the first targets - they are huge, can be seen from satellites, don't move, etc. People should look into why US built its interstate network initially, same reason why Pakistan built its motorway network. It's to allow planes to land almost anywhere in the country.

US airbases have been targeted umpteenth times by militants, but their planes haven't been shot down.

I'd say let bakhts enjoy their victory, there's a reason why they are mocked globally after this skirmish so they have to live in their bubble to feel their victory.
 
Ukraine sure did, but you need to look at their tactics.

They drove the drones on trucks into Russia and snuck up on the airbases while attacking at close range. That's a very novel way of attack but given the entire Pakistan/India border is on lockdown, Pakistan would not be able to accomplish the same unless they found a hole in the border.

India isn't stupid, guys. Every military with any intelligence on the planet will be studying this strategy and developing defenses for it. I suspect our military experts here in the USA will be coming up with solid solutions post-haste.
 
I would suggest there's not much point arguing or engaging bakhts, these guys are down to 2 brain cells and they only use those for nonsense trolling.

Most bakhts have become armchair military experts recently. They think hitting airbases is some massive achievement bar none. In reality, there's a reason why airbases are always the first targets - they are huge, can be seen from satellites, don't move, etc. People should look into why US built its interstate network initially, same reason why Pakistan built its motorway network. It's to allow planes to land almost anywhere in the country.

US airbases have been targeted umpteenth times by militants, but their planes haven't been shot down.

I'd say let bakhts enjoy their victory, there's a reason why they are mocked globally after this skirmish so they have to live in their bubble to feel their victory.

is this guy a "Bhakth" too ?

 
Yes yes saaaar, it is our Rahul Pappu or bust for me...

Please please let's hope our gandi wins in 2059

:apology
When Rahul or Kharge or whoever loses face the way Modi has umpteen times vs the Pakistani army or Pak terrorists, they will be mocked with greater fervor, because people won't be scared to publicly voice their opinions like they do now. Until then, Congress governments/Vajpayee >>>> Modi-Shah.
 
When Rahul or Kharge or whoever loses face the way Modi has umpteen times vs the Pakistani army or Pak terrorists, they will be mocked with greater fervor, because people won't be scared to publicly voice their opinions like they do now. Until then, Congress governments/Vajpayee >>>> Modi-Shah.

Ok 😇

Didn't know Pappu had a face...

Remember the name: Pappu Gandi.

😆
 
Ok 😇

Didn't know Pappu had a face...

Remember the name: Pappu Gandi.

😆
He isn't an evil person. It's just that he's extremely incompetent politically. Not his fault though. Not everyone is a master at every department. That would be like expecting a genius in his field like Sachin Tendulkar or Mukesh Ambani or A.R. Rahman to be as astute a politician as someone like Vajpayee Ji. We need to realize that he didn't chose politics willingly, he was compelled to come into politics much like his father Rajiv Gandhi was, who initially had no such aspirations and was a pilot.

As for what he has done and said in the past and hating him for it, come on, those were not his words or conduct. He was simply spoonfed those stuff.​
 
Ok 😇

Didn't know Pappu had a face...

Remember the name: Pappu Gandi.

😆
Dude, it's not absolutely necessary to respond to every post just to have the last word. Especially when you have nothing to say and end up blabbering like someone whose head was used by Modi to bang and make a lot of noise. Just breathe and relax lol
 
Dude, it's not absolutely necessary to respond to every post just to have the last word. Especially when you have nothing to say and end up blabbering like someone whose head was used by Modi to bang and make a lot of noise. Just breathe and relax lol

Dude

It's not absolutely neccessary respond, hurt when pappu gandi is mentioned.

Especially when you know pappu has lost even more face after his own party member Shashi Tharoor went and praised the actions taken by the PM all over the world. HOW humiliating for my Italian Ammayi and her brain dead son 😔

Just breathe and relax



Once a puppu always gandi :apology
 
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He isn't an evil person. It's just that he's extremely incompetent politically. Not his fault though. Not everyone is a master at every department. That would be like expecting a genius in his field like Sachin Tendulkar or Mukesh Ambani or A.R. Rahman to be as astute a politician as someone like Vajpayee Ji. We need to realize that he didn't chose politics willingly, he was compelled to come into politics much like his father Rajiv Gandhi was, who initially had no such aspirations and was a pilot.

As for what he has done and said in the past and hating him for it, come on, those were not his words or conduct. He was simply spoonfed those stuff.​

Pappu is not evil, he is harmless, he is shoooo harmless and innocent not having a clue about what is going on around him from the time he was born.

😇
 
A Hangers or building. Not the whole base. Can't you read? The rest of the base is operational. Clutching at straws as usual.

You don’t respond to them. You don’t engage them. You mock them.

These are the same clowns who, since 2014, have been running around screaming “We've isolate Pakistan”, only to now send diplomats on a global tour, desperately clutching onto expat town halls, crying, "We swear we have evidence, but sorry, it’s hidden under Modi’s divine dhoti, and you can’t touch it because it’s sacred"

At this point, they’ve downgraded from “global power” to cult marketing interns selling invisible holy proof.
 
A Hangers or building. Not the whole base. Can't you read? The rest of the base is operational. Clutching at straws as usual.
Indians seem to have developed a narrative that Pakistan has denied any damage to bases and then gleefully try to prove their own developed narrative wrong.

Its completely false. Pakistan has openly acknowledged damage to bases. None of the damage was significant and it only temporarily stopped operations. The most significant hit was to the civilians airbase owned by the Emiriatis.

India has also acknowledged damage, but they quickly bury the news and have created such a culture of fear by labeling people as Pakistani spies or anti-national that even those are aware of the truth are reluctant to share it.
 
Indians seem to have developed a narrative that Pakistan has denied any damage to bases and then gleefully try to prove their own developed narrative wrong.

Its completely false. Pakistan has openly acknowledged damage to bases. None of the damage was significant and it only temporarily stopped operations. The most significant hit was to the civilians airbase owned by the Emiriatis.

India has also acknowledged damage, but they quickly bury the news and have created such a culture of fear by labeling people as Pakistani spies or anti-national that even those are aware of the truth are reluctant to share it.

They are stupid and they think world is stupid like them. :inti

They aim to fool the world but they only end up making a fool out of themselves.
 
Indians seem to have developed a narrative that Pakistan has denied any damage to bases and then gleefully try to prove their own developed narrative wrong.

Its completely false. Pakistan has openly acknowledged damage to bases. None of the damage was significant and it only temporarily stopped operations. The most significant hit was to the civilians airbase owned by the Emiriatis.

India has also acknowledged damage, but they quickly bury the news and have created such a culture of fear by labeling people as Pakistani spies or anti-national that even those are aware of the truth are reluctant to share it.
Indians also carry this on to Wikipedia.

Battles eg we battered them such as the massive tank battle in 1965, Indians have argued for, spammed in and finally managed to manipulate that too as "strategically inconclusive"

There is no self reflection at all.
 
A country who did not even accepted the dead body of its soldier's in Kargil war talking about accepting the real losses. Hilarious :kp
 
A country who did not even accepted the dead body of its soldier's in Kargil war talking about accepting the real losses. Hilarious :kp
A country who cannot aknowledge the death of their soldier defending s400 but have to say he slipped and fell from a train and died :kp
 
Indians also carry this on to Wikipedia.

Battles eg we battered them such as the massive tank battle in 1965, Indians have argued for, spammed in and finally managed to manipulate that too as "strategically inconclusive"

There is no self reflection at all.
They are claiming that we downed their jets but the jets flew again :yk2
Crazy nation. Best to discount everything they say.
 
A country who cannot aknowledge the death of their soldier defending s400 but have to say he slipped and fell from a train and died :kp
Indian accepted all the death unlike pakistan who didn't accept . Its not a new but pakistan has Old history of not accepting the own casuality.

S--400 is safe and secure and PM Modi already give live fact check. Its only fake story from Pakistan fake propaganda factory and delusional pakistan awam accept it.

:kp
 
Indian accepted all the death unlike pakistan who didn't accept . Its not a new but pakistan has Old history of not accepting the own casuality.

S--400 is safe and secure and PM Modi already give live fact check. Its only fake story from Pakistan fake propaganda factory and delusional pakistan awam accept it.

:kp
Tell Modi to bring Shivangi for live fact check :kp
 
Tell Modi to bring Shivangi for live fact check :kp
ye new story leke aa gya 😂😂😂😂😂 yar kase kase log hai duniya main

Didn't pakistani claimed she is in pakistan initially? Indian government/ forces not works base on fake propaganda .

Why should we showed her live because some Delusional pakistan people's spread fake propaganda.

Vase POK maine jo pilot pakda tha kon tha wo , Failed marshal se puchna . 😜😜

:kp
 
They are claiming that we downed their jets but the jets flew again :yk2
Crazy nation. Best to discount everything they say.
Heavy discount has to be applied.

Downed their jets, and enforced a no no fly zone for two days. Then they claim that all mistakes were rectified and planes were back in the air.

After applying the discount, the truth is probably that being in the air meant they were probably rushing them out of reach to southern basis once the ceasefire was in effect.
 
Tell Modi to bring Shivangi for live fact check :kp
And bring along the s400 radar. They probably tried asking Russia to loan one for photo ops, but they seem to be preoccupied these days with keeping their own planes in tact on the tarmac of their bases.

:D
 
is this guy a "Bhakth" too ?


I see all the green cowboys here have deftly walled past that post ☝️


Here is a tidbit from that article :


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India, too, offers a compelling model. In 2014, after its own moment of strategic introspection, New Delhi launched the “Make in India” initiative—reforming its defense sector around domestic production, self-reliance, and strategic speed. A decade later, that investment paid off in Operation Sindoor.


Operation Sindoor was more than a swift and precise military response to another cross-border terrorist attack. It marked a strategic inflection point. In just four days, India used domestically developed systems to strike hardened targets across the border with precision, speed, and overwhelming effect. No US systems. No foreign supply lines. Just BrahMos missiles, Akashteer air defense units, and loitering munitions designed or assembled at home.


India’s overwhelming success demonstrated something more enduring than airpower. It validated a national defense doctrine built around efficient domestic industrial strength. And most significantly, it delivered a clear message to its strategic rival. Pakistan—a Chinese proxy by armament, alignment, doctrine—was completely outmatched. Its Chinese-made air defense systems could not stop, detect, or deter India’s precision strikes. In Sindoor, India didn’t just win. It demonstrated overwhelming military superiority against a Chinese-backed adversary.
 
They are claiming that we downed their jets but the jets flew again :yk2
Crazy nation. Best to discount everything they say.

how do you think the numerous air bases deep inside Pakistan were hit ? ohhh wait I get it .... no airbase was even scratched ....
 
Pakistan and rest of the world know how many jets were downed. There are pictures and video footages available.

Whether India admit or not doesn't make any difference. We all know India lie a lot and they are #1 when it comes to fake news.

India made a complete fool out of themselves by admitting it 4 weeks later. :yk
 

'IAF Lost Fighter Jets to Pak Because of Political Leadership’s Constraints’: Indian Defence Attache​


The Indian Air Force lost fighter jets to Pakistan on the night of May 7, 2025 during its targeting of Pakistan’s terror-linked sites “only because of the constraint given by the political leadership to not attack the military establishment or their air defenses,” India’s defence attache to Indonesia, Captain (Indian Navy) Shiv Kumar, acknowledged at a seminar in Indonesia last month.

The seminar on ‘Analysis of the Pakistan–India Air Battle and Indonesia’s Anticipatory Strategies from the Perspective of Air Power’ was organised on June 10 by Universitas Dirgantara Marsekal Suryadarma in Indonesia. In a 35-minute presentation made at the seminar, Captain (IN) Shiv Kumar conceded that even though he “may not agree (with an earlier Indonesian speaker’s claim) that we lost so many aircraft, but I do agree we did lose some aircraft.”

During the initial phase of aerial combat, IAF suffered losses at the hands of the Pakistan military. While Pakistani officials claimed to have shot down as many as six Indian jets, including Rafales, Indian authorities only confirmed the loss of some aircrafts, declining to specify numbers.
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The Chief of Defence Staff, General Anil Chauhan, later emphasised in Singapore that the real issue was not the number of jets lost, but why they were lost: “What is important is that–not the jet being down, but why they were being down,” he stated in an interview to Bloomberg.

“After the loss, we changed our tactics and we went for the military installations. So we first achieved suppression of enemy air defences and then that’s why all our attacks could easily go through using Brahmos missiles,” the Indian defence attache added. He seemed to be referring to the Indian attack at various Pakistani air bases on May 10, 2025.

The Indian defence attaché’s view highlights a critical factor: IAF fighter jets were operating under strict political orders from the Modi government not to target Pakistani military installations or air defence systems. This self-imposed limitation by the government was intended to prevent escalation of conflict in a nuclear environment. It was possibly based on the premise that the Pakistan military will not target Indian fighter aircraft flying in the Indian airspace, when India was not hitting any Pakistani military targets.

Pakistan refused to impose any such limitations and as claimed by its Deputy Chief, the Pakistan Air Force chief changed the orders from deter to destroy once IAF sent its munition to the Pakistani terror sites. This led to the loss of IAF fighter jets because the political directions had meant that IAF had to carry out their missions while deliberately avoiding the most threatening enemy assets, which are typically prioritised in air campaigns to secure air superiority.

Recognising the tactical disadvantage, Indian military leadership quickly adjusted their approach. Within days, the IAF revised its tactics, enabling the missions on May 10, 2025 to use Brahmos and other missiles, which could be fired from a longer distance, to hit Pakistani targets.

Meanwhile, the Indian Embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia, released a statement saying Captain Kumar’s remarks were taken “out of context”. Here’s the statement:

“We have seen media reports regarding a presentation made by the Defence Attache at a Seminar.

His remarks have been quoted out of context and the media reports are a mis-representation of the intention and thrust of the presentation made by the speaker.

The presentation conveyed that the Indian Armed Forces serve under civilian political leadership unlike some other countries in our neighbourhood.

It was also explained that the objective of Operation Sindoor was to target terrorist infrastructure and the Indian response was non-escalatory.”

Source: https://thewire.in/security/iaf-los...eaderships-constraints-indian-defence-attache
 
Like they did this time 400 paar :bow:

The bitter truth is, Modi will go down in history as losing way more than he should have in terms of narrative and otherwise in skirmishes vs Pakistan. Pakistan has never been as vulnerable - mentally, emotionally, financially and culturally insecure - ever in history, as they have been during his time as PM. Previous Congress governments and Vajpayee have either dismantled Pak in wars or at least won the narrative.

The only thing Modi seems to be good for in these Ind-Pak events is to make a lot of noise while banging the empty heads of his bhakts, in India and abroad lol
This is true. When Modi was elected in 2014, India had high hopes. Hindu majority government for the first time in India’s history, fastest growing economy, and the West in awe - what could possibly go wrong?

Well, a visit to BiBi changed all that, Modi governed India straight out of the Zionists playbook, and it backfired royally. Modi got played into starting a proxy war with Pakistan, and in no time, surrendered - the world witnessed how Modi begged for mercy from Pakistan.

Fast forward to now, Pakistan stock up, India stock down, and in the process India has isolated itslef.

The silver lining of course is that the world got to see what Hindutva was really about.
 
This is true. When Modi was elected in 2014, India had high hopes. Hindu majority government for the first time in India’s history, fastest growing economy, and the West in awe - what could possibly go wrong?

Well, a visit to BiBi changed all that, Modi governed India straight out of the Zionists playbook, and it backfired royally. Modi got played into starting a proxy war with Pakistan, and in no time, surrendered - the world witnessed how Modi begged for mercy from Pakistan.

Fast forward to now, Pakistan stock up, India stock down, and in the process India has isolated itslef.

The silver lining of course is that the world got to see what Hindutva was really about.
When are you going to beg for your next IMF bailout package?
 
You are confusing Punjabi and Pashtu accent with Indian.

That’s okay, when y’all responding with IMF then it’s obvious y’all have your feelings butt hurted.
It's Pakistan that keeps begging, and yet it's our feelings which are hurt?
 

'IAF Lost Fighter Jets to Pak Because of Political Leadership’s Constraints’: Indian Defence Attache​


The Indian Air Force lost fighter jets to Pakistan on the night of May 7, 2025 during its targeting of Pakistan’s terror-linked sites “only because of the constraint given by the political leadership to not attack the military establishment or their air defenses,” India’s defence attache to Indonesia, Captain (Indian Navy) Shiv Kumar, acknowledged at a seminar in Indonesia last month.

The seminar on ‘Analysis of the Pakistan–India Air Battle and Indonesia’s Anticipatory Strategies from the Perspective of Air Power’ was organised on June 10 by Universitas Dirgantara Marsekal Suryadarma in Indonesia. In a 35-minute presentation made at the seminar, Captain (IN) Shiv Kumar conceded that even though he “may not agree (with an earlier Indonesian speaker’s claim) that we lost so many aircraft, but I do agree we did lose some aircraft.”

During the initial phase of aerial combat, IAF suffered losses at the hands of the Pakistan military. While Pakistani officials claimed to have shot down as many as six Indian jets, including Rafales, Indian authorities only confirmed the loss of some aircrafts, declining to specify numbers.
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The Chief of Defence Staff, General Anil Chauhan, later emphasised in Singapore that the real issue was not the number of jets lost, but why they were lost: “What is important is that–not the jet being down, but why they were being down,” he stated in an interview to Bloomberg.

“After the loss, we changed our tactics and we went for the military installations. So we first achieved suppression of enemy air defences and then that’s why all our attacks could easily go through using Brahmos missiles,” the Indian defence attache added. He seemed to be referring to the Indian attack at various Pakistani air bases on May 10, 2025.

The Indian defence attaché’s view highlights a critical factor: IAF fighter jets were operating under strict political orders from the Modi government not to target Pakistani military installations or air defence systems. This self-imposed limitation by the government was intended to prevent escalation of conflict in a nuclear environment. It was possibly based on the premise that the Pakistan military will not target Indian fighter aircraft flying in the Indian airspace, when India was not hitting any Pakistani military targets.

Pakistan refused to impose any such limitations and as claimed by its Deputy Chief, the Pakistan Air Force chief changed the orders from deter to destroy once IAF sent its munition to the Pakistani terror sites. This led to the loss of IAF fighter jets because the political directions had meant that IAF had to carry out their missions while deliberately avoiding the most threatening enemy assets, which are typically prioritised in air campaigns to secure air superiority.

Recognising the tactical disadvantage, Indian military leadership quickly adjusted their approach. Within days, the IAF revised its tactics, enabling the missions on May 10, 2025 to use Brahmos and other missiles, which could be fired from a longer distance, to hit Pakistani targets.

Meanwhile, the Indian Embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia, released a statement saying Captain Kumar’s remarks were taken “out of context”. Here’s the statement:

“We have seen media reports regarding a presentation made by the Defence Attache at a Seminar.

His remarks have been quoted out of context and the media reports are a mis-representation of the intention and thrust of the presentation made by the speaker.

The presentation conveyed that the Indian Armed Forces serve under civilian political leadership unlike some other countries in our neighbourhood.

It was also explained that the objective of Operation Sindoor was to target terrorist infrastructure and the Indian response was non-escalatory.”

Source: https://thewire.in/security/iaf-los...eaderships-constraints-indian-defence-attache
Someone tell Shiv Kumar to lock his Twitter account.
 
Are Ppers also acknowledging the Indonesian seminar topics?.one of the main topic is "what to learn from the pak air airforce heavy losses for future" 😀.

Understandably pak defence personnel walked out of seminar in shame

 
The Indian National Congress on Monday strongly criticized Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his government following revelations by India’s defence attaché to Indonesia, Captain Shiv Kumar, regarding the loss of Indian fighter jets to Pakistan.

In a statement posted on X, the Congress cited Captain Shiv Kumar’s admission during a seminar in Indonesia last month, where he acknowledged that India had lost fighter jets during the May 7 air clash with Pakistan.

The statement also referenced a prior acknowledgment by Chief of Defence Staff (CDS) General Anil Chauhan, who had confirmed losses sustained during Operation Sindoor.

Congress accused the Modi government of withholding crucial information from the public and demanded transparency regarding the conflict and the subsequent ceasefire.

“Why is the Prime Minister refusing to convene an all-party meeting under his leadership to inform the Opposition about the truth? Why has the demand to call a special session of Parliament on this issue been rejected?” the party asked in its statement.

It further questioned, “What are PM Modi, Defence Minister Rajnath Singh, and External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar hiding from the nation?”

The Congress party’s sharp response comes amid growing pressure on the Modi administration to address the implications of India’s losses and the lack of communication with both Parliament and the public.

Read More: India’s defence attache blames political leadership for fighter jet losses to Pakistan

Earlier, Captain Shiv Kumar, India’s defence attaché to Indonesia, publicly acknowledged the losses during a seminar in Jakarta.

According to Indian media outlet ‘The Wire’, Shiv Kumar stated that the Indian Air Force lost fighter jets to Pakistan on the night of May 7, 2025 during its targeting of Pakistan “only because of the constraint given by the political leadership to not attack the military establishment or their air defenses”.

In a 35-minute presentation made at the seminar, Captain (IN) Shiv Kumar conceded that “I do agree we did lose some aircraft.”

 
How many times will India’s military leadership be forced to admit humiliation before the nation wakes up? As long as the Hindutva cult keeps spinning the fantasy that their emperor floats three inches above the ground, reality will keep taking a back seat to delusion.
 
You will slip away from this thread when I start to deal with that BS ( like the other thread) .... do w=you want to see ?
Your Bs response will be dealt by Congress. Not me. You have to convince them, not me.

We know you guys are liars.
 
Your Bs response will be dealt by Congress. Not me. You have to convince them, not me.

We know you guys are liars.

Does it occur to you that Shashi Tharoor is a senior Congress leader and is in complete agreement with the Indian government stance on this topic ?
 
Does it occur to you that Shashi Tharoor is a senior Congress leader and is in complete agreement with the Indian government stance on this topic ?
He’s getting paid well to sell himself out I guess.
 
India’s opposition parties have launched a sharp tirade against the Prime Minister Narendra Modi's government, accusing it of concealing information about the Indian military's losses during the May 7 air confrontation with Pakistan and compromising national security under foreign pressure.

Opposition leaders have referred to recent media reports quoting Defence Attaché Captain Shiv Kumar to state that his remarks confirm their long-standing concerns.

Congress leader Rahul Gandhi reiterated that PM Modi’s political decisions weakened India’s defence posture and accused him of accepting a ceasefire under pressure from former US President Donald Trump.

“Captain Shiv Kumar’s statement corroborates what Rahul Gandhi has said all along. It is clear that aircraft were lost due to the political leadership’s directive not to engage Pakistani military assets,” said a Congress spokesperson.

The party also called Modi “Surrender Narender” and criticised External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar as “JJ”, accusing the government of prioritising optics over operational effectiveness.

The remarks in question were made by Captain Shiv Kumar at a seminar titled “Analysis of the Pakistan–India Air Battle and Indonesia’s Anticipatory Strategies from the Perspective of Air Power”, held at Universitas Dirgantara Marsekal Suryadarma in Jakarta.

According to Indian media, Kumar acknowledged that the Indian Air Force (IAF) "lost some aircraft" and attributed the losses to operational restrictions imposed by political leaders in New Delhi.

In response, the Indian Embassy in Indonesia issued a formal statement rejecting the media’s interpretation of Kumar’s comments.

“His remarks have been quoted out of context, and the reports are a misrepresentation of the intention and thrust of the presentation,” the statement said.

The embassy clarified that Kumar’s presentation emphasised civilian control over the Indian armed forces and reiterated that Operation Sindoor was a limited, non-escalatory mission targeting terrorist infrastructure, not Pakistani military installations.

The conflicting narratives have further fuelled political tensions in India, with the opposition demanding transparency on the actual scale of losses and decisions made during the 86-hour conflict.

Source: https://tribune.com.pk/story/255362...backlash-for-concealing-facts-on-may-7-losses
 
Multiple stages of grief are evident here:
"We lost no jets"
"Losses are part of a conflict"
"All our pilots are safe"
"We lost 'jets'!"
I really don't know what to make of it anymore. I am sure they will admit to losing their missile defense system battery too at this rate at some point. Now the excuse given is also lame and you all know why


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They are like kids. It is quite embarrassing.

They think they can fool the world but all they do is make a fool out of themselves. :inti
 
They are like kids. It is quite embarrassing.

They think they can fool the world but all they do is make a fool out of themselves. :inti
They have lost at least 5 jets based on independent and neutral sources and some internal Indian ones. But all of these sources are paid Pakistani agents according to the Indian PPers
 
They have lost at least 5 jets based on independent and neutral sources and some internal Indian ones. But all of these sources are paid Pakistani agents according to the Indian PPers

Does it occur to you that India has officially stated that jets were lost ?

Now can you tell me how does that translate into pak winning the war?
 
What is ironical is, some no name Indian admitting jets going down which is a part and parcel of a war and that thread stays.

However, thread on Pak deputy minister openly admitting Pakistan waved white flag and asked for ceasefire after India hit their 2 air bases on 10th May taken down.

#NurKhanAirbase
#10thMay
#2.30AM
#IshaqDar
#TheBaldEagle
#CoughCough

:inti :kp
 
That's for you and other Pakistani posters to answer because thats the overall theme here i.e :

"We shot down your jets and therefore India ran away"
We don't have to answer/prove/validate anything if your own folks are admitting to it now, do we? Not one, once again, in plural terms, as described by your own defense attache to Indonesia.
 
What is ironical is, some no name Indian admitting jets going down which is a part and parcel of a war and that thread stays.

However, thread on Pak deputy minister openly admitting Pakistan waved white flag and asked for ceasefire after India hit their 2 air bases on 10th May taken down.

#NurKhanAirbase
#10thMay
#2.30AM
#IshaqDar
#TheBaldEagle
#CoughCough

:inti :kp
Assuming this idiotic claim is about the Ishaq Dar interview, it has been repeatedly debunked here by me and other posters after watching the full interview - and indian posters have been asked to comment on the full interview and respond to his claims about INDIA LOSING THE CONFLICT OVERALL, but at that point most of you guys tuck tails and run and like to distort a few words taken out of context.

Truly blind followers
 
We don't have to answer/prove/validate anything if your own folks are admitting to it now, do we? Not one, once again, in plural terms, as described by your own defense attache to Indonesia.

Who was the winner of that war in your opinion ? Straight answer.
 
Assuming this idiotic claim is about the Ishaq Dar interview, it has been repeatedly debunked here by me and other posters after watching the full interview - and indian posters have been asked to comment on the full interview and respond to his claims about INDIA LOSING THE CONFLICT OVERALL, but at that point most of you guys tuck tails and run and like to distort a few words taken out of context.

Truly blind followers

They are the most braindead people I have seen in my life. It is truly astonishing.

Some of them still believe no jet has been lost. :yk

I feel interacting with them for 1 day can lower someone's IQ.
 
Assuming this idiotic claim is about the Ishaq Dar interview, it has been repeatedly debunked here by me and other posters after watching the full interview - and indian posters have been asked to comment on the full interview and respond to his claims about INDIA LOSING THE CONFLICT OVERALL, but at that point most of you guys tuck tails and run and like to distort a few words taken out of context.

Truly blind followers
We all have seen the interview and fully aware of what he was saying. And debunked where? That thread was removed when chori pakdi gayi.

:kp
 
Who was the winner of that war in your opinion ? Straight answer.
France and China because both Pak and India are idiotic enough to fire at each other using foreign weapons.

There are no winners in war. Only losers.

In context of the Indian misadventure, at best it was a stalemate but India/Modi was the loser. He thought he could roll in and roll over Pakistan and win the Bihar elections with all pomp and show but severally underestimated the reaction from Pakistan. Then he had to make peace as well once the going got tough. You don't do that when you have the upper hand. Now internally he faces a lot of tough questions.

To me for someone who started the whole thing and having to endure all these challenges - I would say that's a loss.
 
We all have seen the interview and fully aware of what he was saying. And debunked where? That thread was removed when chori pakdi gayi.

:kp
Choron ne konsi chori pakarni hai, tum ja kar France ka gareban pakro jo tunhein chay bana ke bhaag gaye.
 
France and China because both sides are idiotic enough to fire at each other using foreign weapons.

There are no winners in war. Only losers.

In context of the Indian misadventure, at best it was a stalemate but India/Modi was the loser. He thought he could roll in and roll over Pakistan and win the Bihar elections with all pomp and show but severally underestimated the reaction from Pakistan. Then he had to make peace as well once the going got tough. You don't do that when you have the upper hand. Now internally he faces a lot of tough questions.

To me for someone who started the whole thing and having to ensure all these challenges - I would say that's a loss.

How many jets India lost --> 5-6

How many jets Pakistan lost --> Big fat zero (none)

It is obvious who won the conflict. It was not a stalemate. :inti
 
If India losing the conflict overall as per Ishaq Dar, then why did he asked prince Faisal to speak with S.Jaishankar and told him if they are willing to stop...we will also stop. This is after 4 hours after declaring a cheap imitation of Op sindoor naming operation bunyan al marsoos :misbah

This is what he had to say:

Unfortunately, India once again launched missile strikes at 2:30 AM. They attacked the Nur Khan Air Base and Shorkot Air Base. Within 45 minutes, Saudi Prince Faisal called me. He said he had just learnt about my conversation with (US Secretary of State) Marco Rubio. He asked if he was authorised to talk to (India's External Affairs Minister) S Jaishankar and convey that we are ready if they (India) stop. I said yes, brother, you can. He then called me back, saying he had conveyed the same to Jaishankar
This is the video

 
How many jets India lost --> 5-6

How many jets Pakistan lost --> Big fat zero (none)

It is obvious who won the conflict. It was not a stalemate. :inti
Pakistan suffered the sort of damage to their airbases that can be fixed in a few days for perhaps lower the cost of the Indian aircraft loss by a magnitude of 100. In addition Pakistan claims they also destroyed a defense battery system which Indians are denying just like that they initially denied the claim of the downed aircraft. God knows what other damage they suffered but wont admit to. Pakistan also claimed they destroyed a missile storage facility as well but Indians keep denying that as well.
 
Choron ne konsi chori pakarni hai, tum ja kar France ka gareban pakro jo tunhein chay bana ke bhaag gaye.
Planes go down and soldiers will die in a war. That is normal. It is like while chasing 300 runs in ODI cricket, you will lose some wickets. However, as long as team chase that target, you win the game.

India won the game after Op Sindoor on 7th May where as Pakistan is happy they took few wickets by downing Indian jets.

#TrueStory

:kp
 
If India losing the conflict overall as per Ishaq Dar, then why did he asked prince Faisal to speak with S.Jaishankar and told him if they are willing to stop...we will also stop. This is after 4 hours after declaring a cheap imitation of Op sindoor naming operation bunyan al marsoos :misbah

This is what he had to say:

Unfortunately, India once again launched missile strikes at 2:30 AM. They attacked the Nur Khan Air Base and Shorkot Air Base. Within 45 minutes, Saudi Prince Faisal called me. He said he had just learnt about my conversation with (US Secretary of State) Marco Rubio. He asked if he was authorised to talk to (India's External Affairs Minister) S Jaishankar and convey that we are ready if they (India) stop. I said yes, brother, you can. He then called me back, saying he had conveyed the same to Jaishankar
This is the video

Urdu is not your native language I am guessing. He said ye "unki badqismati hai" referring to India, and your translation makes it seem like he is saying it was unfortunate for Pakistan. Have someone who understands Urdu, maybe an Indian Muslim if you know one translate it for you.
 
Pakistan suffered the sort of damage to their airbases that can be fixed in a few days for perhaps lower the cost of the Indian aircraft loss by a magnitude of 100. In addition Pakistan claims they also destroyed a defense battery system which Indians are denying just like that they initially denied the claim of the downed aircraft. God knows what other damage they suffered but wont admit to. Pakistan also claimed they destroyed a missile storage facility as well but Indians keep denying that as well.

Bilawal Bhutto was saying as many as 20 Indian jets were locked but Pakistani military only shot down 6 due to restraint. Should've shot down all 20. Missed opportunity. :inti

 
Planes go down and soldiers will die in a war. That is normal. It is like while chasing 300 runs in ODI cricket, you will lose some wickets. However, as long as team chase that target, you win the game.

India won the game after Op Sindoor on 7th May where as Pakistan is happy they took few wickets by downing Indian jets.

#TrueStory

:kp
... and somehow destroying a few places of worship and killing children somehow equate to a win for India? You guys had been advertising the attack on those locations for days, you honestly think there were any Jihadis there?

Your show of intellect is absolutely disappointing
 
Urdu is not your native language I am guessing. He said ye "unki badqismati hai" referring to India, and your translation makes it seem like he is saying it was unfortunate for Pakistan. Have someone who understands Urdu, maybe an Indian Muslim if you know one translate it for you.
I understand Urdu completely fine. However not understanding your logic in English.

So he is saying India ki badqismati ki unhone 2 air bases pe hamla kiya. If that was India's Badqismati, why did he collaborated with Prince Faisal and ask him to speak with S.Jaishankar and inform if if they stop, we (Pakistanis) will stop as well.

If that was India's bad qismati, Pakistan should have gone on full attack mode on India rather than waving white flag?

Mate, Ishaq Dar check mated you guys. If I were you, I would play 'Dont take him seriously' card and taken easy pass like you all did when your defence minister got humiliated in Sky news with Yalda Hakim. More you try to justify it, more it gets embarrassing.

:yk
 
Bilawal Bhutto was saying as many as 20 Indian jets were locked but Pakistani military only shot down 6 due to restraint. Should've shot down all 20. Missed opportunity. :inti

Pakistan did not want to aggravate the situation. We did not want to aggravate it even during the idiotic Balakot misadventure and rescued Indian Pilot from getting beaten to death by the Pakistani civilians, gave him first-aid, tea and then returned him soon as practically possible so peace will ultimately reign.

Indian leaders are war mongerers because war helps them win elections. That's the sad truth of it.
 
... and somehow destroying a few places of worship and killing children somehow equate to a win for India? You guys had been advertising the attack on those locations for days, you honestly think there were any Jihadis there?

Your show of intellect is absolutely disappointing
Those children getting killed were fake news. Pak tried to copy Palestine and tried to play emotional card by bringing children. All of those were debunked multiple times here. India indeed attacked mosque but not because they had any intention to attack any religious sites but it was terrorist hideouts as per intel. Op Sindoor took down close to 100 terrorists including 14 close associates of Masood Azhar. Even Americans like Daniel Pearl's parents were celebrating it. This is what real victory looks like. Not giving fake counts of planes going down or pilots getting captured and celebrating on it.
 
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