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India reach 122/5 at Stumps on a rain shortened Day 1 of the 1st Test against New Zealand

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wrongun said:
That was a good ball. This guy is 6'8", that's never easy to face.

I always think tall guys get robbed by the speed gun- the ball is actually travelling a further distance over the time of the speed reading due to the steeper angle. So it might be going fast & produce the "heavy" ball but it's not going to be registered at a speed of a guy with a lower, straighter trajectory.
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Has the potential to be a great all rounder for us, has the ability to step up when the team needs it as he showed on debut with the bat and ball and on debut today.
 
Aman said:
He has looked really ordinary this entire tour and that's all I have to go off.
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Yes, he needs to prove himself against lateral movement. Not very experienced. Did well in Australia, top run scorer in India, hope he improves here.
 
pannnauti pant. let's see what he does. jamieson proves that speed is overrated. bounce is key in SENA.

ishant could be brutal here.
 
At least get to 200 and have a crack at them for half an hour today itself.
 
Jamieson is bowling at 130 but India are playing him like he's bowling 150.
 
toss matters. Even the greatest of teams would get rolled out on pitches like this one. in SENA toss matters. Teams are strong at home. n.z have won 11 series and only lost 2 at home since 2012 I think.

So even if india lose the test series, it does not mean they aren't a great side.
Anyway it's not over until it's over.
 
Aman said:
Jamieson is bowling at 130 but India are playing him like he's bowling 150.
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jamieson bowls quicker off the pitch than guys like wahab, naseem even. naseem's 140 looks less threatening because he loses pace off the pitch compared to jamieson. This is something most phassst bowling addicts can have understand.
 
Man it would be tough to play Jamieson.

Good length balls hitting your thighs lol.

Never can feel comfortable because of the bounce he gets.
 
tyron_woodley said:
toss matters. Even the greatest of teams would get rolled out on pitches like this one. in SENA toss matters.
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Commies have said pitch hasnt been too difficult. To be honest atleast couple or dismissals were due to poor batting.
 
tyron_woodley said:
jamieson bowls quicker off the pitch than guys like wahab, naseem even. naseem's 140 looks less threatening because he loses pace off the pitch compared to jamieson. This is something most phassst bowling addicts can have understand.
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Have you got any data to back it up. How can a bowler bowling in 120s be quicker than bowlers bowling in 140s. Its not like he is rushing indians up for pace
 
We need to find more tall fast bowlers.

Juniads was onto something about this tall bowler stuff.
 
Smudger said:
Have you got any data to back it up. How can a bowler bowling in 120s be quicker than bowlers bowling in 140s. Its not like he is rushing indians up for pace
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It gives that impression because INdians stand well outside the crease to negotiate swing. I don't think he is quick.
 
Smudger said:
Have you got any data to back it up. How can a bowler bowling in 120s be quicker than bowlers bowling in 140s. Its not like he is rushing indians up for pace
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pace after bouncing off the pitch varies for players. So does release point. jamieson releases the ball much from a closer angle allowing him to rush the batsmen.
 
Bangladesh should make similar pitches in Sylhet. The condition looks very similar to NZ, obviously not as beautiful.
 
BDfanforever said:
Jaimison proves speed is not important.
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This is a green pitch. Let him bowl on pattas in India and Australia, then we will see. The likes of Duffy who took wickets for fun with their low speeds in NewZealand got murdered in India. Check the averages of Anderson in India and Australia. I have once seen Akthar literally terrorizing hapless English Batsmen on a Pkiastani road with his pace. Pace is important when you have nothing on the pitch. He would be taken to cleaners in Australia and certainly in India.
 
INdia is a bit more defensive than needed if you ask me. Now ball is 45 overs old. Take the attack to them.
 
Aman said:
Scores runs, keeps it tight with the ball and takes wickets.
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Guy clearly doesn't understand cricket. CDG is doing a great job bowling into the wind- do precisely what his captain & team mates want. A guy to just stop the game at one end, keep it tight as & keep the pressure on. Wickets are falling rapidly, plan is working, India are getting absolutely strangled.

Selfish/brainless play would be for CDG to chase wickets & let India build a score. He's bowling beautifully in the partnerships.

Presumably this guy thinks all rounders who average 37 with the bat & 31 with the ball grow on trees. He has far better stats than Lance Klusner, Hansie Cronje, Brian MacMillan who formed the backbone of an excellent SA TEst side...

But yaar he should be bowling pace & getting wickets yaar.
 
wrongun said:
Guy clearly doesn't understand cricket. CDG is doing a great job bowling into the wind- do precisely what his captain & team mates want. A guy to just stop the game at one end, keep it tight as & keep the pressure on. Wickets are falling rapidly, plan is working, India are getting absolutely strangled.

Selfish/brainless play would be for CDG to chase wickets & let India build a score. He's bowling beautifully in the partnerships.

Presumably this guy thinks all rounders who average 37 with the bat & 31 with the ball grow on trees. He has far better stats than Lance Klusner, Hansie Cronje, Brian MacMillan who formed the backbone of an excellent SA TEst side...

But yaar he should be bowling pace & getting wickets yaar.
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pace toh pace yaar. naseem 145. shaeen 140. top speed. ultra speed. fast boy.
 
ind_win said:
Brain fade moment for agarwal...just saw the line up. Ashwin in the playing 11 ? just when I think Kohli gets almost everything right, this is one selection I don't think India will take benefit of. Jadeja should be playing ahead of ashwin outside SC. Even getting ashwin to NZ is waste of plane tickets.
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Why? Jadeja's darting pies are useless outside India against good sides. Plus Ashwin is a better batsman than Jaddu on these conditions.
 
in SENA you need one bowler or 2 with a height of 6'2 plus.

Australia have 2.
n.z have 2
india 1
pakistan 1
England ? joffra looks 6'1 ish. Andy 6'2? good enough.
 
tyron_woodley said:
salt? what salt. he utilized conditions well and bowled effectively. He is a good player. I think he would be handy in australia too
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I was referring to the post above about Jamieson needing to do it India. He's played 3 games lol..
 
Dingolfy said:
This is a green pitch. Let him bowl on pattas in India and Australia, then we will see. The likes of Duffy who took wickets for fun with their low speeds in NewZealand got murdered in India. Check the averages of Anderson in India and Australia. I have once seen Akthar literally terrorizing hapless English Batsmen on a Pkiastani road with his pace. Pace is important when you have nothing on the pitch. He would be taken to cleaners in Australia and certainly in India.
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Not so sure about that. There's more than one way to succeed at bowling. Height is one. Pace is one. Height works in India & Australia just as well. G McGrath says hello.

This guy is certainly worth a look.
 
This partnership is crucial. Pant and Rahane. If these two can score centuries, things can get interesting.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
All his wickets were due to that movement of the pitch. You won't get that in Australia. He is too slow to trouble them. Smith and Labu will drive him all day
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Jamieson seems to have some x factor, he's a match winner. Was great in his first two ODIs and has been excellent today on debut.

Early days yet but seems really promising.
 
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wrongun said:
Not so sure about that. There's more than one way to succeed at bowling. Height is one. Pace is one. Height works in India & Australia just as well. G McGrath says hello.

This guy is certainly worth a look.
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He just needs the ball to seam a bit and he can go through a batsmen or find the edge.
 
wrongun said:
Not so sure about that. There's more than one way to succeed at bowling. Height is one. Pace is one. Height works in India & Australia just as well. G McGrath says hello.

This guy is certainly worth a look.
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Mcgrath is one in a million. And he was much faster than Jaimison in his younger days. How many tall slow bowlers had success in India and Australia?
 
Why are we talking about performing in India and Aus lol.

I'm happy as long as Jamieson is winning us matches.
 
Aman said:
Why are we talking about performing in India and Aus lol.

I'm happy as long as Jamieson is winning us matches.
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You should be happy that you found your own Ashwin who will win you matches at home. There is nothing wrong with it. :inti
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Not even Mone Morkel who had steeper bounce at pace didn't do much in Australia.
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What? He won 2 series in Australia. Two!

Took about 4 wickets per match- bang on the rate a good bowler takes his wickets...

I really wonder if some people understand how a Test attack operates... Or do Pakistani's really just play every man for himself & only my stats count?
 
wrongun said:
What? He won 2 series in Australia. Two!

Took about 4 wickets per match- bang on the rate a good bowler takes his wickets...

I really wonder if some people understand how a Test attack operates... Or do Pakistani's really just play every man for himself & only my stats count?
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So you are saying Jamieson will be a resounding success in Australia because he is 6' 8"? I will hold on to that word.
 
morne morkel is a terrific bowler. one of my favorites. Actually jamieson reminds me of him but jammo lacks the pace.

Variation in bowling attack is crucial.

india and n.z both have good variation.

shami bumrah and ishant are perfect.

boult southee and jamieson offer variety and are perfect for n.z conditons.

Would prefer Wagner over southee. southee can bat though.
 
Dingolfy said:
Mcgrath is one in a million. And he was much faster than Jaimison in his younger days. How many tall slow bowlers had success in India and Australia?
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Depends what you call slow. I could throw some names out-

Walsh & McGrath- yes both were quickish at some stages but also had great success as medium pacers late in their careers in Oz.

Tom Moody had a lot of success in Oz on pure bounce.

Chris Tremlett operated ad pretty much exactly Jamiseon's speeds and had some success in Oz.

Joel Garner (pace fluctuated).

Peter George (Australian domestic).

That' a decent list for something as uncommon as a "slow" tall bowler.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
So you are saying Jamieson will be a resounding success in Australia because he is 6' 8"? I will hold on to that word.
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to be fair there is evidence to support that claim to an extent. cummins hazelwood and starc are all 6'2 or above.

broad had decent success there. 6'7.

morkel 6'6. Had success there. steyn who is medium height also had success. Marshall etc, bumrah and shami also had success in australia.

It's just easier if you are taller in australia as you get more lift from a good length ball. That's all.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
So you are saying Jamieson will be a resounding success in Australia because he is 6' 8"? I will hold on to that word.
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No. Nice straw man attempt though. Far easier to argue against words you make up yourself.

I said I'm not writing him off because he's not express and that tall bowlers, pace or not, can be a success in Australia.

My exact words previous in the thread were, "worth keeping an eye on". I think he has the potential to be a decent Test bowler.
 
jhye richardson is one of the best Australian talents right now and he is barely 5'10. So I suppose it goes both ways. But if you are shorter you either have to be fast medium and above and skilful to succeed.

taller ones can operate at 130- 135 with skill and still succeed. shorter ones need to bowl a bit fuller at 135 plus.

That's the benefit for taller bowlers.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
So you are saying Jamieson will be a resounding success in Australia because he is 6' 8"? I will hold on to that word.
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The post you are quoting points out that Morkel had quite a bit of success as a bowler in Oz (despite what you seem to think or regard as success) & that's what you come up with?
 
Junaids said:
Yes, I agree.

In the 1980’s you would never have dismissed a Top Six batsman from one of the worlds top five teams by making the ball bounce either from a full length or short.

But white ball cricket has damaged red ball batting techniques so badly (viz Shaw, Kohli and probably Pant later) that tall gunbarrel straight fast-medium quicks have replaced shorter, more skilful ones.

Remember - Lillee and Imran were 6’0 tall. And yet in 2020 Pattinson is kept out of the Australia team because he is only 6’1 whereas the three selected guys are 6’6, 6’5 and 6’4.

I don’t like it, but I recognise it! And that’s why I think that tall quicks are priceless in the current climate.
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Pattinson is NOT kept out because of his height but because his skills are not better than the main three bowlers. Remember, the six footer Siddle played 67 tests for Australia in the same era over much taller bowlers in domestics due to his superior skills.
And compare how the smaller Shami and Bumrah outbowled Australia's six footers and won the last series in Australia. And both 6 foot five Starc and Hazzlewood averaged over 30 in that series on their own homeground and even the likes of Pant smoked them. And shall I remind you about tall and phaast Shaun Tait and Billy Stanlake? Their height couldn't mask their mediocre skills.
 
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