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India shot down six Pakistani military aircraft in May, indian air force chief says

ameer219 said:
You are asking for evidence. I am giving you an admission by your own Wing Commander.

Now continue coughing. Don't choke.
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She said nothing about the extent of the damage . .. so where is that satellite evidence to show what was destroyed ?

Time for you to run away because you got nothing
 
BouncerGuy said:
@Devadwal just share the pictures of those planes and their names like F16?? and we are good
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uppercut said:
She said nothing about the extent of the damage . .. so where is that satellite evidence to show what was destroyed ?

Time for you to run away because you got nothing
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For you as well... stop talking and bring me those pics so we can see
 
uppercut said:
She said nothing about the extent of the damage . .. so where is that satellite evidence to show what was destroyed ?

Time for you to run away because you got nothing
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She literally admitted four bases was target with damages. What else do you need?

Don't throw your frustration out on me, question your own Wing Commander.
 
uppercut said:
She said nothing about the extent of the damage . .. so where is that satellite evidence to show what was destroyed ?

Time for you to run away because you got nothing
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Full Press Conference: Operation Sindoor | MEA, Indian Army, IAF, hold joint briefing |


There is evidence and images of S-400 being struck with charred grounds as well as movement of S-400 away from the site. . But let's not go there in case you decide to disprove it by just denying and questioning the image.

Let's go to the press conference where your own Wing Commander admitted to damages.

This is what Wing Commander Vyomika Singh mentioned. "However, limited damages were sustained to equipment and personnel at Indian air force stations at Udhampur, Pathankot Adampur and Bhuj.." at 7.20.

So continue harping on satellite images and the 11 bases being struck while casually forgetting that your bases were struck as well. Your air defence network is good, but not invincible especially at such a close distance. So while your whole "chest thumping" may work on an Indian Forum, it won't even pass through a neutral forum.

Once again, don't vent your frustration out with silly satellite images in which some has already been disproven. Vent it on your Wing Commander for admitting to her faults thst your bases were struck too.
 
Pakistan had 20+ Indian jets locked in that day. Had they chosen to escalate, half of India’s air force in the sky could’ve been smoking craters by sundown. That restraint wasn’t weakness, it was Pakistan deciding not to rewrite South Asian history in a single afternoon.

And y’all really wasting breath on the Hindutva fan club? The Indian chief’s comment was for his domestic audience, the same crowd that believes Modi floats in mid air and parts the clouds when he speaks.
 
ameer219 said:
Full Press Conference: Operation Sindoor | MEA, Indian Army, IAF, hold joint briefing |


There is evidence and images of S-400 being struck with charred grounds as well as movement of S-400 away from the site. . But let's not go there in case you decide to disprove it by just denying and questioning the image.

Let's go to the press conference where your own Wing Commander admitted to damages.

This is what Wing Commander Vyomika Singh mentioned. "However, limited damages were sustained to equipment and personnel at Indian air force stations at Udhampur, Pathankot Adampur and Bhuj.." at 7.20.

So continue harping on satellite images and the 11 bases being struck while casually forgetting that your bases were struck as well. Your air defence network is good, but not invincible especially at such a close distance. So while your whole "chest thumping" may work on an Indian Forum, it won't even pass through a neutral forum.

Once again, don't vent your frustration out with silly satellite images in which some has already been disproven. Vent it on your Wing Commander for admitting to her faults thst your bases were struck too.ba
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Continue harping about vyomika Singh’s statement with no link to the same
 
HalBass9 said:
Pakistan had 20+ Indian jets locked in that day. Had they chosen to escalate, half of India’s air force in the sky could’ve been smoking craters by sundown. That restraint wasn’t weakness, it was Pakistan deciding not to rewrite South Asian history in a single afternoon.

And y’all really wasting breath on the Hindutva fan club? The Indian chief’s comment was for his domestic audience, the same crowd that believes Modi floats in mid air and parts the clouds when he speaks.
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Lol. These kind of dreams have been sold to Pakistanis by its army for decades india actually re wrote history of South Asia vu creating a new country while Pakistanis make castles in air
 
Boyka said:
You win some you lose some but the question is, what India lose? An awful lot more than Pakistan that’s for sure.

You are loser sir
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They are obviously trying hard to avenge the loss of their aircrafts by claiming thousands of hits on Pakistan airbases.

Yet they forgotten that Pakistan has the same capability and struck 4 of their airbases back.

They hit a hangar and some runways which doesn't take long to repair. Even the so called AWACS they hit was only concluded to suffer minor damages and was correlated with the airframe still intact with the fire burning in the background.


They asked for satellite images and claimed 11 airbases hit. Yet even one of their satellites images at Chunian where they targeted a radar site is debunked. It will be a matter of time before the rest will be debunked.
 

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Boyka said:
You win some you lose some but the question is, what India lose? An awful lot more than Pakistan that’s for sure.

You are loser sir
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Lost air superiority that day, despite splurging on some of the world’s priciest “advanced” jets.

Also lost narrative superiority, as Pakistanis turned every lie into a meme and flooded the battlefield of public opinion with laughter.
 
ameer219 said:
Full Press Conference: Operation Sindoor | MEA, Indian Army, IAF, hold joint briefing |


There is evidence and images of S-400 being struck with charred grounds as well as movement of S-400 away from the site. . But let's not go there in case you decide to disprove it by just denying and questioning the image.

Let's go to the press conference where your own Wing Commander admitted to damages.

This is what Wing Commander Vyomika Singh mentioned. "However, limited damages were sustained to equipment and personnel at Indian air force stations at Udhampur, Pathankot Adampur and Bhuj.." at 7.20.
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See the highlighted part ... keyword is LIMITED DAMAGES.

ameer219 said:
So continue harping on satellite images and the 11 bases being struck while casually forgetting that your bases were struck as well. Your air defence network is good, but not invincible especially at such a close distance. So while your whole "chest thumping" may work on an Indian Forum, it won't even pass through a neutral forum.
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The point is about damages. What is the point about firing costly missiles when they can't do any real damage or are not accurate enough ?


ameer219 said:
Once again, don't vent your frustration out with silly satellite images in which some has already been disproven. Vent it on your Wing Commander for admitting to her faults thst your bases were struck too.
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You are the one getting bent out of shape because you have nothing to show other than "trust-me-bro" lol.

Real evidence looks like this ... a big gaping hole which is visible even from space. Zoom into that high res image and you will see How bad it is as all 4 side walls of that massive brand new hangar have been damaged. It will have to be bulldozed and reconstructed which will take years.


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Wasim Ghulam said:
CDS said there were losses below 6 ? does it matter ? it could be 4 or 5.. Decoy theory is only accepted in Indian circles .

you do not need to give me whole timeline here.. I,m only discussing about Jet losses which have been admitted by Indian officials on multiple occasions with crash sites also reported widely in International Media. There are many credible news outlets that reported that India suffered air losses. For example French Paper Le Monte which is considered very credible outlet published this

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Military operation in Pakistan reveals weaknesses of India's air force

New Delhi has begun to acknowledge the loss of several fighter jets during 'Operation Sindoor.' Military experts suggest that at least one Rafale may be among the destroyed aircraft. This would mark the first loss in combat for the French aircraft.
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Now Pakistan made claims very next day , Indian officials did nt deny the claims when AK bharti was directly asked questions about jet losses , his response was " losses are part of combat" ... we all saw that as in plural " losses" .. It gives credibiity to Claims of Pak's sides about downing Indian jets.. Then there is Washington Post and Reuters that reported Jet losses of India at least 3. Trump said 5.. so anywhere between 3-5 Jets are confirmed by multiple neutral sources.. We do not believe a single word of your IAF chief because that's coming after 3 months .. That makes it dubious.. Onus of proof lies with IAF... so far there is none.
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The French has already identified Chinese propaganda officially. Most of these newspapers are carrying the claims made by Pakistan..they are not showing any independent proof or evidence..they are saying Pakistan claimed six jets down.

The timeline was provide...in disputing that IAF grounded claim..because it's laughable that a defensive airforce is not even capable of operating outside their air defense cover can impose a no fly zone.

If you look at most of the western media that covered this story...it was mostly Paksitani reporters.
 
straighttalk said:
The French has already identified Chinese propaganda officially. Most of these newspapers are carrying the claims made by Pakistan..they are not showing any independent proof or evidence..they are saying Pakistan claimed six jets down.

The timeline was provide...in disputing that IAF grounded claim..because it's laughable that a defensive airforce is not even capable of operating outside their air defense cover can impose a no fly zone.

If you look at most of the western media that covered this story...it was mostly Paksitani reporters.
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Most of Western Media like Economic Times , Washington post and reuters qouted Independent Sources Even CNN.. corroborated by Indirect admissions by AK bharti and CDS chauhan .. Indian Opposition which has votes of 40 % Indians Believes Jets were shot down. Hindustan Times reported Crash sites at Akhnoor , Bathinda and Pampore. the wreckage pics on those sites certainly did nt resemble any decoy.. and interviews of locals as well.. All circumstantial evidence give credence to Pakistan’s Claim as credible to some extent.

Indians are still talking about ops Sindoor after 3 Months , Pakistanis are not.. a side who won so comprehensively ( Presumed ) is not sure about victories hence late claims coming to fore after 3 Months.. we all know the logic
 
straighttalk said:
The French has already identified Chinese propaganda officially. Most of these newspapers are carrying the claims made by Pakistan..they are not showing any independent proof or evidence..they are saying Pakistan claimed six jets down.

The timeline was provide...in disputing that IAF grounded claim..because it's laughable that a defensive airforce is not even capable of operating outside their air defense cover can impose a no fly zone.

If you look at most of the western media that covered this story...it was mostly Paksitani reporters.
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www.economist.com

How did Pakistan shoot down India’s fighter jets?

New clues suggest Indian errors and Chinese arms may both be to blame
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Boyka said:
You win some you lose some but the question is, what India lose? An awful lot more than Pakistan that’s for sure.

You are loser sir
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Have you found the evidence to show the damages caused by these "Awful lot more" loses on the ground? Or maybe its a case of "just-trust-me-bro" ?
 
straighttalk said:
The French has already identified Chinese propaganda officially. Most of these newspapers are carrying the claims made by Pakistan..they are not showing any independent proof or evidence..they are saying Pakistan claimed six jets down.

The timeline was provide...in disputing that IAF grounded claim..because it's laughable that a defensive airforce is not even capable of operating outside their air defense cover can impose a no fly zone.

If you look at most of the western media that covered this story...it was mostly Paksitani reporters.
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Here Indian officials are source and one reporter is Indian 😂
 
straighttalk said:
The French has already identified Chinese propaganda officially. Most of these newspapers are carrying the claims made by Pakistan..they are not showing any independent proof or evidence..they are saying Pakistan claimed six jets down.

The timeline was provide...in disputing that IAF grounded claim..because it's laughable that a defensive airforce is not even capable of operating outside their air defense cover can impose a no fly zone.

If you look at most of the western media that covered this story...it was mostly Paksitani reporters.
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Wasim Ghulam said:
Most of Western Media like Economic Times , Washington post and reuters qouted Independent Sources Even CNN.. corroborated by Indirect admissions by AK bharti and CDS chauhan .. Indian Opposition which has votes of 40 % Indians Believes Jets were shot down. Hindustan Times reported Crash sites at Akhnoor , Bathinda and Pampore. the wreckage pics on those sites certainly did nt resemble any decoy.. and interviews of locals as well.. All circumstantial evidence give credence to Pakistan’s Claim as credible to some extent.

Indians are still talking about ops Sindoor after 3 Months , Pakistanis are not.. a side who won so comprehensively ( Presumed ) is not sure about victories hence late claims coming to fore after 3 Months.. we all know the logic
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So 3 Jets lost by India = Pak won the war ?
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
Most of Western Media like Economic Times , Washington post and reuters qouted Independent Sources Even CNN.. corroborated by Indirect admissions by AK bharti and CDS chauhan .. Indian Opposition which has votes of 40 % Indians Believes Jets were shot down. Hindustan Times reported Crash sites at Akhnoor , Bathinda and Pampore. the wreckage pics on those sites certainly did nt resemble any decoy.. and interviews of locals as well.. All circumstantial evidence give credence to Pakistan’s Claim as credible to some extent.

Indians are still talking about ops Sindoor after 3 Months , Pakistanis are not.. a side who won so comprehensively ( Presumed ) is not sure about victories hence late claims coming to fore after 3 Months.. we all know the logic
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Let's look at your statements factually.

What is correct..Indian media and opposition are questioning. That is normal in a functioning democracy..we don't have the luxury of killing or jailing our ex PM or leaders and suppress questions. Our govt rightly or wrongly will be challenged. It would help congress to expose failures...but have they exposed anything.

Yes there were admissions of losses by CDS. Western media reported that.

No Pakistan or any media has provided any credible evidence of any wreckage anywhere. Most wreckages are fake pics.evn the bs001 pic is doctored.

I tend to agree that one or two jets were lost or India is trying to hide XGuard impact for future operations. Either of those two are true unless wreckage is shown or CDS clarifies it.

Late claims can have a lot of reasons...India doesn't have wreckage proof ...so they did electronic analysis and other evidence collection before they can claim that. Indian population is lot more educated and Indian opposition is lot more aggressive..so making a claim without proof will be egg on the face. Your conclusions are just your conclusions without any factual basis. I agree mine are too but sharing it here as a alternative reason.
 
India getting slapped around by former demi-god Trump and now BJP dumbing down with the Pakistan murdabad rhetoric.

Unfortunately this is the real level of competence in Indian politics. No wonder the country is still a third world dump.
 
Boyka said:
You win some you lose some but the question is, what India lose? An awful lot more than Pakistan that’s for sure.

You are loser sir
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They are obviously trying hard to avenge the loss of their aircrafts by claiming thousands of hits on Pakistan airbases.

Yet they forgotten that Pakistan has the same capability and struck 4 of their airbases back.

They hit a hangar and some runways which doesn't take long to repair. Even the so called AWACS they hit was only concluded to suffer minor damages and was correlated with the airframe still intact with the fire burning in the background.


They asked for satellite images and claimed 11 airbases hit. Yet even one of their satellites images at Chunian where they targeted a radar site is debunked. It will be a matter of time before the rest will be debunked.
uppercut said:
See the highlighted part ... keyword is LIMITED DAMAGES.



The point is about damages. What is the point about firing costly missiles when they can't do any real damage or are not accurate enough ?




You are the one getting bent out of shape because you have nothing to show other than "trust-me-bro" lol.

Real evidence looks like this ... a big gaping hole which is visible even from space. Zoom into that high res image and you will see How bad it is as all 4 side walls of that massive brand new hangar have been damaged. It will have to be bulldozed and reconstructed which will take years.
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Limited damages, does not mean " NO DAMAGES". she could have easily said no damages? It would have been the easiest move to carry out in the playbook. So why? Limited damages, and why mention personnel? Because obviously there is injuries. So go figure. You are the only one in denial here.


Trust me bro? Sure. After seeing your Rafle engines flying out. I am pretty sure it's more from "trust me bro" to "India found out". See below since you want evidence so badly.


Big gaping hole from space ? If that's the case then the whole structure would have collapsed with the speed it was travelling at. Even if we go by your case study that it has to be reconstructed again, if is still fairly cheaper then losing jets in the sky.
 

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So one of them is a fuel tank and not evidence of crash.
The other is the bs001 image..image where serious allegations of doctoring has been made. The article says that the wreckage is nearby. Wonder why everyone took pic of this small part but failed to take pic of the wreckage nearby.
@Patriot shared a similar pic with the pic of the aircraft. The word Rafale was not stenciled there and one is in italics while the other isn't.

But since our CDS said losses later .I'm not going to debate that and accept one or two aircrafts were lost.

However I think either Reuters or WAPO are lazy and didn't do due diligence or there is a nefarious propaganda based on the quality of journalism presented here
 
uppercut said:
Then what is the point in mentioning about that ? Every single poster here keeps harping about the Jets as though that resulted in victory.



Yes absolutely especially when high value Military targets have been targeted.
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whats the point of Mentioning attacks on Pak air bases? None of the attacks resulted in crippling damage to any single military target.. did it? Did Pak military loose the ability the operate out of those targets? no..

Pak targeted Jets and Shot them down. at least one of them is high end Rafale who had clean operational history without ever getting shot down.. It can be termed as serious blow.

Both sides were able inflict Damage.. there was no set objective before Indian Military started the conflict.. they attacked targets and quickly asked for de escalation in next morning press.. by that time Jets were already in Flames

Did Israel prevent Iranians missile to wreak havoc on Tel aviv after they attacked Iran In June? Answer is no

Pakistan never claimed nothing can reach its bases..
 
Chaudhary said:
There is no evidence of Pakistani commandos' involvement in Pehalgam. There is no evidence presented to anyone regarding any possible Pakistani connection to the attack.

Pakistan had removed its nuclear assets from Kirana years back. Indian officials have denied attacking Kirana Hills in their press conference, so reference to Kirana is irrelevant.

Regarding DGMOs, the only version agreed by officials from both sides is that India's DGMO reached out to Pakistan on the 7th to inform that they are done, while he got the response that Pakistan isn't. While Pakistan's called the Indian DGMO on the 10th to report they are now done. Rest is all fictitious bombastic rhetoric from your media & politicians.

Regarding the bases, there is an article on The New York Times examining the satellite imagery you guys keep referring to, and yet declaring the damage limited. No significant damage to any Pakistan base was reported, least to the Nur Khan base, which operated a C-130 an hour after the attack. The greatest damage was at Bholari, which was unexpected as it was hit hours after Pakistan stopped the operation & DGMOs were in the middle of the discussions & was an hour before Trump announced a ceasefire. 5 PAF officials died & one AEW&C was damaged.

Regarding the Quwa videos, I can't watch them all, but I have already stated that Brahmos is one of the best in the world, let alone South Asia & can penetrate any defence system.

And the damage to your bases was admitted today by the air chief & in the past by Col. Sofia as well, satellite imagery or not, that happened & was admitted by your officials. I find it amusing that the count of jets is irrelevant to you, as if no comparison of jet losses is necessary, yet you keep insisting on satellite images for comparison; the damage to the respective bases is something already admitted by both sides.

PL 15s were not duds. They did what they were supposed to do. Not every shot is meant to strike the target.

Pakistan was among the first countries who condemn Pehalgam. There is no justification for killing civilians. Whoever took the responsibility deserved to be blacklisted. No big deal if the US declared TRF as a terrorist group. That doesn't establish their relationship with Pakistan.

Pakistan has been irrelevant to the USA since it left Afghanistan. There is no reason for them to come and rescue Pakistan all of a sudden. Vance clearly stated that this is none of our business, so you guys are on your own. Both played drones, cricket leagues got suspended & attacked bases meanwhile. There are no reports that the damage to Pakistan was so significantly greater than India's that they had to initiate the process of US involvement, despite the US stating that they do not want to get involved. Both sides still had a lot of cards left to play. The pompous narrative that Pakistan requested the US to intervene does not qualify as a logical deduction from facts or even as a conjecture.
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To add, the reason why our bases are vulnerable is due to geography. We are much smaller than India, have no strategic depth and all our bases are easily in range. India is a huge country so the reverse isn't the same.

Secondly, it should be alarming to India that the only missile we used was Fatah, our bottom tier missile which got hits while Indians had to use their top line. Indians were also eager to showcase their top assets to assert dominance but paid in defeat.

For instance using a quarter of their Rafale fleet for such a small skirmish when other jets could have done the job, 10% percent of Rafales were shot down, was total and utter foolishness. India fielded 14 of them and lost 3 atleast. Whenever we get the J35 I'd be fuming if we wasted it in a small operation.

Indians' knowledge is generally so lacking other than bravado what more can we say. They are celebrating potentially getting the Su57, not realising the Russians can barely make 5 airframes of it themselves right now much less export it.
 
Wasim Ghulam said:

Here Indian officials are source and one reporter is Indian 😂
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I have couple of questions regarding the article

It is all over the place

First 4 Pak officials and two indiam officials
Then 8 Pak officials and 4 Indian officials

In one article they are changing the number

First India didn't know pl15 range..then Pak blinderd Rafale and then Pak electronic synergy allowed j10 to fly close to India.

PAF directed to go from defense to offense .what was the offense that PAF did..shooting down aggressive Indian aircrafts is called defense

Do you believe that your air marshall can't get a bed wherever he is and instead has to sleep on floor.

These officials whom these two reporters interviewed seems to have deep operational knowledge...so high level military officers not peon in the air base...seems laughable that two tuccua reporters will have access..specially on the Indian side as the coverage is quite anti India.

One hour dog fight with 125 planes .not a single explosion captured in night sky over densely populated areas...since India so effectively out ranged and blind per the article..why did Paksitan only shoot down 1 through 6 aircrafts..that is ideal to shoot down all 70.

Pak felicitates jf17 pilot for supposedly shooting down Rafale but this story says it's j10...maybe the Pak officials were from j10 squadron.


What happened on May 8- may 10. India definitely didn't increase weapons. Range or build electronic defense or counter measures. How come PAF didn't shoot down any Indian jets or be able to defend their airbases. Since Pak drones and missiles were countered by Indian air defense...PAF ideally has full rationale to hit Indian airbases with overwhelming superiority

Indian radars cannot pick up j10
Indiam fighters are blinded
Air to air missiles ..Indians are out ranged

I'm not sure about air to surface missiles that PAF has or didn't have..so that might be an issue.
 
ameer219 said:
Limited damages, does not mean " NO DAMAGES". she could have easily said no damages? It would have been the easiest move to carry out in the playbook. So why? Limited damages, and why mention personnel? Because obviously there is injuries. So go figure. You are the only one in denial here.
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So you are saying there is no need for satellite images to show the extent of the damage ? This is your conclusion ?


ameer219 said:
Trust me bro? Sure. After seeing your Rafle engines flying out. I am pretty sure it's more from "trust me bro" to "India found out". See below since you want evidence so badly.


Big gaping hole from space ? If that's the case then the whole structure would have collapsed with the speed it was travelling at. Even if we go by your case study that it has to be reconstructed again, if is still fairly cheaper then losing jets in the sky.
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During a War time is of essence not money. That Hangar will take months ( if not years ) to be operational again. Also it is confirmed that Pak lost a Squadron Leader and Airmen in that hangar which is far more devastating. Whereas there are literally 100s of Jets in the IAF ( and indeed PAF ). But without the ground infrastructure such as command centers, radar, runways, air defense systems etc the jets are of no value.

Similar thing happened in Jacobabad where the F16 hangar was hit.
 
uppercut said:
Have you found the evidence to show the damages caused by these "Awful lot more" loses on the ground? Or maybe its a case of "just-trust-me-bro" ?
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I don’t need to show you anything. Loser nation, loser people. No integrity
 
Bhaijaan said:
Also, there were repeated comments from the Pakistani side about going for the nukes. The Indian side despite these provocations refrained from making such statements. India does not need believe it needs to resort to nuclear threats to assert dominance or achieve its objectives. It has demonstrated it can navigate its way in and out of such situations with Pakistan without the need to utter the N word.
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Indians Did Claim about attacking Kirana Hills , persumed nuclear site.. Lot of Bakhts came up with conspiracy theories that how India was First Nation to De nuclearize another nation.. So you think making claims about attacking a nuclear site does nt equate to nuclear threat?
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
whats the point of Mentioning attacks on Pak air bases? None of the attacks resulted in crippling damage to any single military target.. did it? Did Pak military loose the ability the operate out of those targets? no..

Pak targeted Jets and Shot them down. at least one of them is high end Rafale who had clean operational history without ever getting shot down.. It can be termed as serious blow.

Both sides were able inflict Damage.. there was no set objective before Indian Military started the conflict.. they attacked targets and quickly asked for de escalation in next morning press.. by that time Jets were already in Flames

Did Israel prevent Iranians missile to wreak havoc on Tel aviv after they attacked Iran In June? Answer is no

Pakistan never claimed nothing can reach its bases..
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In a limited conflict under nuclear umbrella..symbolism and messaging matters. Why was the damage not catastrophic? Because as the videos showed very few missiles were fired. It showed hq9 is not capable enough to defend against Indian attacks. What would happen if Pak escalates ..India can easily fire more missiles and the damage would be severe. What happens if PAF is grounded..Pak will have to escalate to the next level.

If shooting down one jet is serious blow..really have nothing to say. If it's a systemic issue..then perhaps but Rafales were back next day hitting the airbases and not getting shot down. Any plane can be shot down in the fog of war. You can have gloating rights for sure but it doesn't change any strategci calculus unless there is a technology mismatch. If Rafale stayed on ground..no Rafale will be lost..it's as simple as that .to hit enemy targets you need to take risks

There was a clearly articulated Indian objective. To hit the handlers of pahalgam terrorists and nine terror bases or hqs were hit on may 7 and India said we are done. It was our stupidity to not target PAF on first night but as modi articulated that will no longer be the case in future conflicts.
 
straighttalk said:
tend to agree that one or two jets were lost
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straighttalk said:
Yes there were admissions of losses by CDS. Western media reported that.
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no need for Pak to provide wreckage pictures

straighttalk said:
Most wreckages are fake pics.evn the bs001 pic is doctored.
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Those Pictures did nt come from Pakistani Media.. Those images circulated in Western media.. So cant dismiss them as fake because you say so
 
straighttalk said:
I have couple of questions regarding the article

It is all over the place

First 4 Pak officials and two indiam officials
Then 8 Pak officials and 4 Indian officials

In one article they are changing the number

First India didn't know pl15 range..then Pak blinderd Rafale and then Pak electronic synergy allowed j10 to fly close to India.

PAF directed to go from defense to offense .what was the offense that PAF did..shooting down aggressive Indian aircrafts is called defense

Do you believe that your air marshall can't get a bed wherever he is and instead has to sleep on floor.

These officials whom these two reporters interviewed seems to have deep operational knowledge...so high level military officers not peon in the air base...seems laughable that two tuccua reporters will have access..specially on the Indian side as the coverage is quite anti India.

One hour dog fight with 125 planes .not a single explosion captured in night sky over densely populated areas...since India so effectively out ranged and blind per the article..why did Paksitan only shoot down 1 through 6 aircrafts..that is ideal to shoot down all 70.

Pak felicitates jf17 pilot for supposedly shooting down Rafale but this story says it's j10...maybe the Pak officials were from j10 squadron.


What happened on May 8- may 10. India definitely didn't increase weapons. Range or build electronic defense or counter measures. How come PAF didn't shoot down any Indian jets or be able to defend their airbases. Since Pak drones and missiles were countered by Indian air defense...PAF ideally has full rationale to hit Indian airbases with overwhelming superiority

Indian radars cannot pick up j10
Indiam fighters are blinded
Air to air missiles ..Indians are out ranged

I'm not sure about air to surface missiles that PAF has or didn't have..so that might be an issue.
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logic is simple.. wide reporting of Indian losses on Western Media ( Neutral ) supported by admissions.

Now Indian claims after Opposition Grilled the govt in parliament is all but dubious and actually laughable not the other way
 
uppercut said:
So you are saying there is no need for satellite images to show the extent of the damage ? This is your conclusion ?




During a War time is of essence not money. That Hangar will take months ( if not years ) to be operational again. Also it is confirmed that Pak lost a Squadron Leader and Airmen in that hangar which is far more devastating. Whereas there are literally 100s of Jets in the IAF ( and indeed PAF ). But without the ground infrastructure such as command centers, radar, runways, air defense systems etc the jets are of no value.

Similar thing happened in Jacobabad where the F16 hangar was hit.
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There is no need to show evidence of damage when there is already admission of damages from your own side, that too from a highly reputable military officer. And before you go on, this is to debunk claims that India's air defence 100% protected their bases and not even a single scratch was found on their bases. India is not immune from missiles hence it shouldn't thrown stones at houses when its own house is made of glass.

That being said, there is satellite evidence going around about your S-400 being hit which I did not bring up in this discussion due to my personal take on it. This is my verifying before bringing it up.

You can mention all the damages that happened. But there is not even a single proof of F-16 being remotely damaged. The only thing that even came closest was a transport/AWACS video showing the aircraft burning in the background signifying at best, minor damages. By the way, Pakistan already has the ability to land planes on highway as far back as 2009, so it's not as if they do not have any backup options in case of downtime. And yes there are many runways on an airbases. One hit on a hangar is not going to change the course of the conflict as it is expected with Brahmos missiles and does not have any tactical/strategic impact unless multiple planes are housed there.
 
straighttalk said:
So one of them is a fuel tank and not evidence of crash.
The other is the bs001 image..image where serious allegations of doctoring has been made. The article says that the wreckage is nearby. Wonder why everyone took pic of this small part but failed to take pic of the wreckage nearby.
@Patriot shared a similar pic with the pic of the aircraft. The word Rafale was not stenciled there and one is in italics while the other isn't.

But since our CDS said losses later .I'm not going to debate that and accept one or two aircrafts were lost.

However I think either Reuters or WAPO are lazy and didn't do due diligence or there is a nefarious propaganda based on the quality of journalism presented here
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Exact words of CDS

“The good part is we were able to understand the tactical mistake which we made, remedy it, rectify it and then implement it again after two days and flew all our jets, again targeting at long range,”

should we assume India could nt fly all jets for 2 days and Mistakes resulted in Jets being shot down? because apparently thats what his words mean
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
whats the point of Mentioning attacks on Pak air bases? None of the attacks resulted in crippling damage to any single military target.. did it? Did Pak military loose the ability the operate out of those targets? no..

Pak targeted Jets and Shot them down. at least one of them is high end Rafale who had clean operational history without ever getting shot down.. It can be termed as serious blow.
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See my previous post ( post# 198 )


Wasim Ghulam said:
Both sides were able inflict Damage.. there was no set objective before Indian Military started the conflict..
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Thats not true at all. Multiple military and political leadership have confirmed over and over again that the objective was to dismantle Terror infra ( that too without first neutralizing Pak air defense systems ). This was accomplished within an hour of start of Op Sindoor. Then your DGMO were informed that this is the extent of what we wanted to accomplish unless you want to escalate further. Pak did try to escalate and then on the last day India took down the Air defense systems and then systematically targeted 11 airbases and there is evidence for all of them.

Wasim Ghulam said:
they attacked targets and quickly asked for de escalation in next morning press.. by that time Jets were already in Flames
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So you are again back to the same nonsense about jets as though losing jets = war lost = time to surrender. First of all .. the jets that were lost was on the 1st day of the operation. But we now know that the final decisive blows were made on the last day that too in broad daylight on Bholari, Jacobabad, Sargodha, Kirana etc. Meaning your Air defense was severely degraded. Pakistan was never able to respond to that escalation by IAF ... do you agree with that or not ?

Wasim Ghulam said:
Did Israel prevent Iranians missile to wreak havoc on Tel aviv after they attacked Iran In June? Answer is no
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right but even the Iranaians were able to provide evidence of the damages caused by their missiles. Where is YOUR evidence of damage caused on ground and that it was ?

Wasim Ghulam said:
Pakistan never claimed nothing can reach its bases..
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Nobody makes such claims not even the US military. However what matters is evidence to show the outcome of the strikes.
 
uppercut said:
So you are again back to the same nonsense about jets as though losing jets = war lost = time to surrender. First of all .. the jets that were lost was on the 1st day of the operation. But we now know that the final decisive blows were made on the last day that too in broad daylight on Bholari, Jacobabad, Sargodha, Kirana etc. Meaning your Air defense was severely degraded. Pakistan was never able to respond to that escalation by IAF ... do you agree with that or not ?
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first of all it was not war. Indian Jets never crossed Pakistan’s Territory , Neither Pakistan’s into Indian Territory

You targetted Civilians , we responded by shooting your Jets down.. So we did target military assets first

So what concessions did India get from Pak politically to close out conflict? You Degraded our air defence according to you , then agree to ceasefire without any meaningful concession from Pak side for example admission of Palgham attack or Press Release by Pakistan that it will never dare to infiltrate Indian Kashmir? You targeted infrastructure ? and in your head that means winning a war ? are you for real? Why did nt India ask for POK then?

Here Pakistani defence lays destroyed , India on top and yet Meekly agree to ceasfire.. No one buys it.. a day before Indian channels had successfully captured Lahore and Karachi , Indian Public glued to their tv Screens with same hope only to be given news that India agreed to ceasfire announced by a third country 😂😂😂


uppercut said:
right but even the Iranaians were able to provide evidence of the damages caused by their missiles. Where is YOUR evidence of damage caused on ground and that it was ?
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Sofia Qureshi said Pak attacks resulted in Damage.. High speed missiles caused damage.. we all saw that press.. why would she say that?

uppercut said:
Nobody makes such claims not even the US military. However what matters is evidence to show the outcome of the strikes.
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actually India does. according to statement of Indian officials not a single glass was damaged at Indian Airbases.. Nothing penetrated at such short distances 😂😂
 
ameer219 said:
There is no need to show evidence of damage when there is already admission of damages from your own side, that too from a highly reputable military officer. And before you go on, this is to debunk claims that India's air defence 100% protected their bases and not even a single scratch was found on their bases. India is not immune from missiles hence it shouldn't thrown stones at houses when its own house is made of glass.
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The admission you keep talking about was CLEARLY MINIMAL. Do you agree or not ?


ameer219 said:
That being said, there is satellite evidence going around about your S-400 being hit which I did not bring up in this discussion due to my personal take on it. This is my verifying before bringing it up.
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Lets see it. Can you post that

ameer219 said:
You can mention all the damages that happened. But there is not even a single proof of F-16 being remotely damaged.
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So the F16 hangar at Jacobabad was empty at that time and this makes sense to you ?

ameer219 said:
The only thing that even came closest was a transport/AWACS video showing the aircraft burning in the background signifying at best, minor damages. By the way, Pakistan already has the ability to land planes on highway as far back as 2009, so it's not as if they do not have any backup options in case of downtime. And yes there are many runways on an airbases. One hit on a hangar is not going to change the course of the conflict as it is expected with Brahmos missiles and does not have any tactical/strategic impact unless multiple planes are housed there.
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Here is the thing that you forget ... without ground support systems like command and control stations, ground radars, air defense systems , hangars etc the jets are of little value ( especially if the war drags on ). India hit most of these support systems which is truly crippling. This is why they were able to target 11 airbases without any interceptions. Also while you might be able to land on a highway but once it lands that jet is useless unless there is a hangar on that same highway to refuel and re-arm the jets.
 
straighttalk said:
In a limited conflict under nuclear umbrella..symbolism and messaging matters. Why was the damage not catastrophic? Because as the videos showed very few missiles were fired. It showed hq9 is not capable enough to defend against Indian attacks. What would happen if Pak escalates ..India can easily fire more missiles and the damage would be severe. What happens if PAF is grounded..Pak will have to escalate to the next level.
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no system in world have 100% Interception Rate. We saw that in Iran Israel conflict.. videos show very few were fired? how does a video show how many missiles India fired?
India can fire more missiles and Pak cannot.. thats your messaging ?
 
uppercut said:
The admission you keep talking about was CLEARLY MINIMAL. Do you agree or not ?




Lets see it. Can you post that



So the F16 hangar at Jacobabad was empty at that time and this makes sense to you ?



Here is the thing that you forget ... without ground support systems like command and control stations, ground radars, air defense systems , hangars etc the jets are of little value ( especially if the war drags on ). India hit most of these support systems which is truly crippling. This is why they were able to target 11 airbases without any interceptions. Also while you might be able to land on a highway but once it lands that jet is useless unless there is a hangar on that same highway to refuel and re-arm the jets.
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But doesn’t minimal mean they were not intercepted so they got through and will do in a future conflict to cause more damage as Pakistan did not fire a lot and neither did they use cruise missiles like the Ra’ad II.
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
first of all it was not war. Indian Jets never crossed Pakistan’s Territory , Neither Pakistan’s into Indian Territory

You targetted Civilians , we responded by shooting your Jets down.. So we did target military assets first

So what concessions did India get from Pak politically to close out conflict? You Degraded our air defence according to you , then agree to ceasefire without any meaningful concession from Pak side for example admission of Palgham attack or Press Release by Pakistan that it will never dare to infiltrate Indian Kashmir? You targeted infrastructure ? and in your head that means winning a war ? are you for real? Why did nt India ask for POK then?
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It is war regardless of whether any side crossed the border as two organized militaries of soverign nations were involved. And remember that it has only been officially paused and the reason for that is Indian Military believes that costly lessons were taught to Pakistani military and most importantly the Nuclear bluff has been summarily been called out. But yes I agree that they should not have stopped there. Even the immediate circle of the IAF Chief expressed the same thought. And capturing PoK was never the objective and don't forget that the Pakistani Military started this by killing un-armed civilians. If you do not agree and would like to pretend that Pakistan was not responsible for Pehalgam then why did your side agree to ceasefire ( and dont forget that the IWT still remains suspended and your side is begging for it to be re-instated and Bilawal Bhutto is talking about handing over Masood Azhar ) ?


Wasim Ghulam said:
Here Pakistani defence lays destroyed , India on top and yet Meekly agree to ceasfire.. No one buys it.. a day before Indian channels had successfully captured Lahore and Karachi , Indian Public glued to their tv Screens with same hope only to be given news that India agreed to ceasfire announced by a third country 😂😂😂
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No Indian military official has ever claimed to capturing Karachi or Lahore. And the lie that Trump has been peddling that he was responsible for the Ceasefire is now exposed for the whole world to see as India is openly refusing to accept any trade deals and continues to but Oil from Russia and now the IAF chief has openly named F16's killed by S400 which is a direct shot at the US.

So no all circumstantial evidence points to Pak DGMO meekly making a phone call to the Indian DGMO ( perhaps ordered by Trump to prevent further US assets from being destroyed ). BTW the Indian DGMO did not even pick up that call the first time and made them call again ... thats called humiliation !


Wasim Ghulam said:
Sofia Qureshi said Pak attacks resulted in Damage.. High speed missiles caused damage.. we all saw that press.. why would she say that?
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So what is the extent of the damage then ? Can you quantify it and back that up with evidence ? Why do you guys doggedly evade that simple question ?



Wasim Ghulam said:
actually India does. according to statement of Indian officials not a single glass was damaged at Indian Airbases.. Nothing penetrated at such short distances 😂😂
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No .... what he said was that there was no damage done this time. He did not say that our Air defense was foolproof.
 
Patriot said:
But doesn’t minimal mean they were not intercepted so they got through and will do in a future conflict to cause more damage as Pakistan did not fire a lot and neither did they use cruise missiles like the Ra’ad II.
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yes agreed but they did fire a ballistic missile and it was successfully intercepted. I don't think any Indian Military official has claimed that we have 100% foolproof Air defense systems.

However what is in contention is the claim that Pakistani response was overwhelming they claim to have hit 26 air bases which is a ludicrous claim with ZERO evidence to show the extent of the damage to even a few air bases.
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
Exact words of CDS

“The good part is we were able to understand the tactical mistake which we made, remedy it, rectify it and then implement it again after two days and flew all our jets, again targeting at long range,”

should we assume India could nt fly all jets for 2 days and Mistakes resulted in Jets being shot down? because apparently thats what his words mean
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That's the reason I gave the timeline...India was done after hitting the terrorist bases on May 7 and said we would retaliate if Pak retaliates. Pak retaliates on May 8and India attacks on May 9 and may 10.cds mentioned two days because the Indian action happened after two days. Does not mean air force was grounded. It's like saying IAF is grounded since May 10 because there was no action.
 
ameer219 said:
There is no need to show evidence of damage when there is already admission of damages from your own side, that too from a highly reputable military officer. And before you go on, this is to debunk claims that India's air defence 100% protected their bases and not even a single scratch was found on their bases. India is not immune from missiles hence it shouldn't thrown stones at houses when its own house is made of glass.

That being said, there is satellite evidence going around about your S-400 being hit which I did not bring up in this discussion due to my personal take on it. This is my verifying before bringing it up.

You can mention all the damages that happened. But there is not even a single proof of F-16 being remotely damaged. The only thing that even came closest was a transport/AWACS video showing the aircraft burning in the background signifying at best, minor damages. By the way, Pakistan already has the ability to land planes on highway as far back as 2009, so it's not as if they do not have any backup options in case of downtime. And yes there are many runways on an airbases. One hit on a hangar is not going to change the course of the conflict as it is expected with Brahmos missiles and does not have any tactical/strategic impact unless multiple planes are housed there.
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Please share the satellite image of s400 going down .. LMAO
 
uppercut said:
yes agreed but they did fire a ballistic missile and it was successfully intercepted. I don't think any Indian Military official has claimed that we have 100% foolproof Air defense systems.

However what is in contention is the claim that Pakistani response was overwhelming they claim to have hit 26 air bases which is a ludicrous claim with ZERO evidence to show the extent of the damage to even a few air bases.
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As Sofia said..damage was negligible..like a window broken or debris falling...there is a reason Pak can't show anything..absolutely zero nada..the only reason the aircraft down has any credence is because CDS accepted a loss...I wonder why..is he that stupid or he wants to sell the XGuard decoys for future.
 
uppercut said:
It is war regardless of whether any side crossed the border as two organized militaries of soverign nations were involved. And remember that it has only been officially paused and the reason for that is Indian Military believes that costly lessons were taught to Pakistani military and most importantly the Nuclear bluff has been summarily been called out. But yes I agree that they should not have stopped there. Even the immediate circle of the IAF Chief expressed the same thought. And capturing PoK was never the objective and don't forget that the Pakistani Military started this by killing un-armed civilians. If you do not agree and would like to pretend that Pakistan was not responsible for Pehalgam then why did your side agree to ceasefire ( and dont forget that the IWT still remains suspended and your side is begging for it to be re-instated and Bilawal Bhutto is talking about handing over Masood Azhar ) ?
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Nuclear bluff has been called out how? do you even realize how stupid this argument is. How do you call nuclear bluff without actually reaching the required threshold of Pakistan's Nuclear Doctrine? Or do you suppose that few missiles landing at our military sites warrants a nuclear response from Pakistan , which is quite bizarre notion to begin with and then Pak did nt attack India with Nuclear weapons hence the bluff is called out? I thought I was having argument with sane and logical person.

What costly lessons? Pak maintains defensive posture and continues to maintain minimal credible deterrence. Proof of that is India was unable to extend the conflict beyond damaging some airfields and hangars. In return Pakistan also shot down your jets in very first hour. Not to mention extreme artillery shelling that caused city wide damage across LOC.. why Pak agreed to ceasefire? answer is simple.. Pak did nt start the conflict , and had no desire to continue the conflict once imposed as long as India backed off which you did. capturing or taking back POK has been stated objective of Indian constitution as it considers the said land its territory and its Indian Army's job to take that land back since its your land according to your Constitution . You called out our nuclear bluff , destroyed our air defences but did nt achieve any meanigful result other than messaging? very least India could have asked for release of Kulbushan in exchange of Mercy LOL you guys could nt even secure a symbolic victory as small as release of prisoner for which India went to ICJ. Spare me all BS
 
This thread’s such a circus.🤡

Give it a week and they’ll be calling you “Jihadi” just for not clapping hard enough at their Hindutva fairy tales.

Y’all not debating, you’re playing Scrabble with reality, desperately trying to rearrange the letters so their delusion looks like the new normal.
 
straighttalk said:
That's the reason I gave the timeline...India was done after hitting the terrorist bases on May 7 and said we would retaliate if Pak retaliates. Pak retaliates on May 8and India attacks on May 9 and may 10.cds mentioned two days because the Indian action happened after two days. Does not mean air force was grounded. It's like saying IAF is grounded since May 10 because there was no action.
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That's your interpretation. he was nt asked about timeline.. he was asked about jets being lost and that's how he responded. Mistakes rectifeid and jets flew again which clearly implies they did nt for 2 days while Pak had its airfare on combat patrols all along.. Your interpretation is not necessarily a logical one
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
That's your interpretation. he was nt asked about timeline.. he was asked about jets being lost and that's how he responded. Mistakes rectifeid and jets flew again which clearly implies they did nt for 2 days while Pak had its airfare on combat patrols all along.. Your interpretation is not necessarily a logical one
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Your combat patrol did jck w
Hen india hit bahwal pur
 
Boyka said:
You lost planes mate, keep up.

It’s been three months and two wars have been fought since then. Have you been sleeping?
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Any proof. Lets assume india lost a jet. How difficult it is for a 4 tn ecoomy with nearly 700bn in reserves to replace a jet

But what s proven is that india can strike deep inside Pakistani territory whenever it wants
 
cricketjoshila said:
Any proof. Lets assume india lost a jet. How difficult it is for a 4 tn ecoomy with nearly 700bn in reserves to replace a jet

But what s proven is that india can strike deep inside Pakistani territory whenever it wants
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🤡,

Most major militaries that share the borders could do it.

🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

:afridi
 
cricketjoshila said:
Any proof. Lets assume india lost a jet. How difficult it is for a 4 tn ecoomy with nearly 700bn in reserves to replace a jet

But what s proven is that india can strike deep inside Pakistani territory whenever it wants
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so ? you started a conflict to prove that you can strike deep? in process loosing multiple jets admitted by indian Military officials as proof.. so you strike us , we will shoot your jets.. keep tryin
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
Nuclear bluff has been called out how? do you even realize how stupid this argument is. How do you call nuclear bluff without actually reaching the required threshold of Pakistan's Nuclear Doctrine? Or do you suppose that few missiles landing at our military sites warrants a nuclear response from Pakistan , which is quite bizarre notion to begin with and then Pak did nt attack India with Nuclear weapons hence the bluff is called out? I thought I was having argument with sane and logical person.
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Remember your DGISPR threatening to choke us if we stopped Indus water and many other open nuclear sabre ratling ? Well we crossed all those red-lines and your leadership is on record for having to make a decision in a few mins as to whether the incoming missiles were Nuclear Armed or not. And dont forget that your Nuclear sites were targeted too. So yeah the Nuclear bluff has been called out spectacularly and you couldnt do a thing about it. All that happened was a SOS call to your big boss Amreeka to send out Radiation detection aircraft and ofcourse the Boron cargo from Egypt to contain radiation.


Wasim Ghulam said:
What costly lessons? Pak maintains defensive posture and continues to maintain minimal credible deterrence. Proof of that is India was unable to extend the conflict beyond damaging some airfields and hangars. In return Pakistan also shot down your jets in very first hour. Not to mention extreme artillery shelling that caused city wide damage across LOC..
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What do you mean "minimal credible deterrence" that too after 11 out of your 13 Airbases were successfully targeted ( with Satellite evidence ). And as far as Jets and LOC shelling ... the same is true also from Indian side and not to forget the 9 terror sites completely destroyed.


Wasim Ghulam said:
why Pak agreed to ceasefire? answer is simple.. Pak did nt start the conflict , and had no desire to continue the conflict once imposed as long as India backed off which you did.
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So you claim being innocent and yet getting punched in no less than 11 + 9 sites + 5 Jets + Radar destroyed and you have what Max 6 jets to show as response and then you claim that India backed off ? Sounds like you are blaming India for being considerate.

Please tell me how that adds up to no lessons learned or even some sort of victory for Pak?


Wasim Ghulam said:
capturing or taking back POK has been stated objective of Indian constitution as it considers the said land its territory and its Indian Army's job to take that land back since its your land according to your Constitution . You called out our nuclear bluff , destroyed our air defences but did nt achieve any meanigful result other than messaging? very least India could have asked for release of Kulbushan in exchange of Mercy LOL you guys could nt even secure a symbolic victory as small as release of prisoner for which India went to ICJ. Spare me all BS
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But that was not the objective of this War. But yes I and many others including the private inner circle of the IAF Chief agree that it was a mistake to not keep going as irresponsible nations like Pakistan sadly understand only the language of force.
 
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Suleiman said:
/thread

Let’s see the coping in the next 3 months. Probably editing textbooks now that Pakistan doesn’t exist may be the next move.
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It’s hilariously entertaining that three months later, the Hindutva government is still dragging this embarrassment around like a dead pet they’re pretending is just “sleeping.”

At this point, it’s not damage control, it’s a sitcom rerun nobody asked for, but they keep airing anyway.

:afridi
 
uppercut said:
Remember your DGISPR threatening to choke us if we stopped Indus water and many other open nuclear sabre ratling ? Well we crossed all those red-lines and your leadership is on record for having to make a decision in a few mins as to whether the incoming missiles were Nuclear Armed or not. And dont forget that your Nuclear sites were targeted too. So yeah the Nuclear bluff has been called out spectacularly and you couldnt do a thing about it. All that happened was a SOS call to your big boss Amreeka to send out Radiation detection aircraft and ofcourse the Boron cargo from Egypt to contain radiation.
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you crossed all red lines in your head or what? it is one thing to saber rattle and another to actually respond with a nuclear weapon.. it is extreme and last resort when nation is at brink of complete destruction ...red line as such loosing territory? loosing a command and control of those weapons? or loosing a whole chunk of our military so we can fall back to our nuclear weapons ? you mean to say you attacked our nuclear assets and destroyed them just to test our bluff? and at same time call yourself a responsible nation.. seriously are you messed up in your head to believe all this?
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
you crossed all red lines in your head or what? it is one thing to saber rattle and another to actually respond with a nuclear weapon..
it is extreme and last resort when nation is at brink of complete destruction ...red line as such loosing territory? loosing a command and control of those weapons? or loosing a whole chunk of our military so we can fall back to our nuclear weapons ? you mean to say you attacked our nuclear assets and destroyed them just to test our bluff? and at same time call yourself a responsible nation.. seriously are you messed up in your head to believe all this?
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well when Military officials make these remarks they have to be taken seriously no ? So why is the IWT still suspended despite Nuclear threat ? What is Pakistan going to do about it ? Why did you sit and pray when you did not know if the Indian Missiles were carrying Nuclear payload headed straight to your crown-jewel Air bases ?

All of that information is now out in the open .... you pretend that it did not happen but thats your choice and wouldnt surprise me at all considering that you lot believe that you never lost any wars to India including 1971, Kargil, Siachen etc etc.
 
I like how it took 3 months for these guys to come up with this statement and also the same amount of for joshilla to come out of hiding..


These begairats still want to post on a pakistani platform after we kill them... no self respect
 
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