India shot down six Pakistani military aircraft in May, indian air force chief says

[IMMY69]

I have one agenda - stand with truth always, as uncomfortable it can be. Prove me wrong if #HaiHimmat.

Start from questions raised in post#33 or atleast the previous post. Thanks

Why don't you do your own research and question your own government/military rather than a thread started with a post that just states India downed Pakistani Jets with absolutely no proof whatsoever? Why not try introspection and see where that takes you?

 

[Rajdeep]

Why don't you do your own research and question your own government/military rather than a thread started with a post that just states India downed Pakistani Jets with absolutely no proof whatsoever? Why not try introspection and see where that takes you?

Translation - no answer

Let me rephrase - why dont you ask your govt to give access to international media to 11 airbases that India claimed to have destroyed with satellite imagery? You guys hide behind International media card often, so one would assume it would be logical thing to do na?

#Rajdeep

 

[Patriot]

That is simply because you, like others, know the credibility of the Pakistani government and its military. The entire world saw it when your defence minister humiliated himself on Sky News and then on CNN, saying his “proof” was social media. Or when your PM gave a fake image as gift to Asim Munir while promoting to Failed Marshal post. LMAO

However, just because you don’t trust your own government doesn’t mean we have to feel the same way. The Indian government and military have an impeccable record of being honest with their citizens. We are a proper democracy with a strong human rights record. So anything our Air Force chief says, we will, of course, trust. This is why, during this war, every Indian and politicians from every party stood tall with the Indian government and army. I know you feel Indian muslims like Pathan brothers and Owaisi is supporting India just to stay safe but that is your mindset.

The point is simple: you carry out a terrorist attack, India will strike back. No international power, nor its baap, can save. This international drama will not work. Trump aaj hai...kal nehi, yaad rakhna dost.

My motto in life is never trust a politician. They all lie from Trump to Xi, to Putin to Obama to Boris to the Sharifs. I very much doubt Indian politicians are any different. India is not more exceptional than the rest of the world.

Trusting your military establishment is different but sometimes they can get pressurised by the politicians. I mean India is a democracy right and the military chief reports to the Defence Minister who has his agenda and belongs to a political party with their own agendas so if the Defence Minister says jump, the military chief is going to say how high.

 

[IMMY69]

Translation - no answer

Let me rephrase - why dont you ask your govt to give access to international media to 11 airbases that India claimed to have destroyed with satellite imagery? You guys hide behind International media card often, so one would assume it would be logical thing to do na?

#Rajdeep

Ok read this:-

I really don't care if India destroyed 11 airbases in Pakistan. It is irrelevant. Why? Because even if this happened it had no lasting damage. If by any chance it did then it will or has already been repaired.

The desperation to prove India won and defend everything that is Indian is nauseating.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/how-pakistan-shot-down-indias-cutting-edge-fighter-using-chinese-gear-2025-08-02/

 

[Bhaijaan]

@Rajdeep @Romali_rotti

Dassault is emerging as the front runner for the MRFA tender. As per reports the IAF wants to proceed with it on a G2G level.

It faces stiff competition from F-21 which although slightly inferior performance wise to Rafales, will allow far greater localisation (local production by Tata) and significantly less life cycle cost but under the current political climate it’s hard to trust Americans with this critical Defense cooperation despite the lucrative deal offered by Lockheed.

 

[IMMY69]

@Rajdeep @Romali_rotti

Dassault is emerging as the front runner for the MRFA tender. As per reports the IAF wants to proceed with it on a G2G level.

It faces stiff competition from F-21 which although slightly inferior performance wise to Rafales, will allow far greater localisation (local production by Tata) and significantly less life cycle cost but under the current political climate it’s hard to trust Americans with this critical Defense cooperation despite the lucrative deal offered by Lockheed.

Ahimsa: Non-violence or non-harming, a fundamental principle in Sanatan Dharma.

I suppose these F-21's will help you to remain on the path

 

[ameer219]

Why don't you do your own research and question your own government/military rather than a thread started with a post that just states India downed Pakistani Jets with absolutely no proof whatsoever? Why not try introspection and see where that takes you?

Because these Indians can't. They can't even shoot down Pakistan planes in their dreams.

 

[ameer219]

Ok read this:-

I really don't care if India destroyed 11 airbases in Pakistan. It is irrelevant. Why? Because even if this happened it had no lasting damage. If by any chance it did then it will or has already been repaired.

The desperation to prove India won and defend everything that is Indian is nauseating.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/how-pakistan-shot-down-indias-cutting-edge-fighter-using-chinese-gear-2025-08-02/

The only difference is that airbases can be repaired even if it bombarded.

But you can't repair a plane that crashed. You would have to buy a new one.

Indians constantly have wet dreams about bombing Pakistan's bases, because that's the only achievement they can show.

Ohh btw, your airbases got struck too at four locations.

 

[Patriot]

@Rajdeep @Romali_rotti

Dassault is emerging as the front runner for the MRFA tender. As per reports the IAF wants to proceed with it on a G2G level.

It faces stiff competition from F-21 which although slightly inferior performance wise to Rafales, will allow far greater localisation (local production by Tata) and significantly less life cycle cost but under the current political climate it’s hard to trust Americans with this critical Defense cooperation despite the lucrative deal offered by Lockheed.

India is better served going with the Rafales and the SU-57. The US is an unreliable partner.

Have to say that the Rafale is a beautiful plane but nothing is more beautiful than the F-15, the pinnacle of aerospace aesthetics.

 

[Rajdeep]

Ok read this:-

I really don't care if India destroyed 11 airbases in Pakistan. It is irrelevant. Why? Because even if this happened it had no lasting damage. If by any chance it did then it will or has already been repaired.

The desperation to prove India won and defend everything that is Indian is nauseating.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/how-pakistan-shot-down-indias-cutting-edge-fighter-using-chinese-gear-2025-08-02/

That was not the answer I was expecting. I don’t care if you care or not. I’ve said multiple times here that in a war, planes go down and soldiers die — so it’s no big deal for me either.

However, you guys often hide behind and play the “international media” card. So before lecturing India to give access to international media in Kashmir, why don’t you ask your government to give access to international media for the 11 airbases that India claims to have destroyed, and let them verify the extent of the damage? Give access to international media to the terror hideouts India claimed to have destroyed during Op Sindoor. Let them verify how many actual terrorists were killed versus how many innocent children — the claim you guys made on social media. That would be the honest and logical thing to do, na?

You know why that won’t happen? Because everyone, including you, knows Pakistan lost the war badly. So spreading fake news on social media is the best defence you’ve got.

 

[Rajdeep]

My motto in life is never trust a politician. They all lie from Trump to Xi, to Putin to Obama to Boris to the Sharifs. I very much doubt Indian politicians are any different. India is not more exceptional than the rest of the world.

Trusting your military establishment is different but sometimes they can get pressurised by the politicians. I mean India is a democracy right and the military chief reports to the Defence Minister who has his agenda and belongs to a political party with their own agendas so if the Defence Minister says jump, the military chief is going to say how high.

Okay thank you for amazing piece of information. It made me touch wiser today.

 

[IMMY69]

That was not the answer I was expecting. I don’t care if you care or not. I’ve said multiple times here that in a war, planes go down and soldiers die — so it’s no big deal for me either.

However, you guys often hide behind and play the “international media” card. So before lecturing India to give access to international media in Kashmir, why don’t you ask your government to give access to international media for the 11 airbases that India claims to have destroyed, and let them verify the extent of the damage? Give access to international media to the terror hideouts India claimed to have destroyed during Op Sindoor. Let them verify how many actual terrorists were killed versus how many innocent children — the claim you guys made on social media. That would be the honest and logical thing to do, na?

You know why that won’t happen? Because everyone, including you, knows Pakistan lost the war badly. So spreading fake news on social media is the best defence you’ve got.

Easy answer, because the people of Pakistan don't give two hoots about what happened three months ago.

99.99pct of social media posts and news is from Indian Channels and that tells me how insecure Indians are.
My cousin was called from America in the early hours asking if the Karachi Port was bombed and whether he's ok as he lives in Karachi... His response 'don't believe the rubbish coining out of India'. But Indians seem desperate to prove they 'won' the war whereas that tells me the complete opposite....

 

[Patriot]

Okay thank you for amazing piece of information. It made me touch wiser today.

Glad to be of service.

You are the one claiming that the Indian government has an impeccable record of being honest with its citizens. This Indian government must be made up of Angels from Heaven.

 

[Rajdeep]

Easy answer, because the people of Pakistan don't give two hoots about what happened three months ago.

99.99pct of social media posts and news is from Indian Channels and that tells me how insecure Indians are.
My cousin was called from America in the early hours asking if the Karachi Port was bombed and whether he's ok as he lives in Karachi... His response 'don't believe the rubbish coining out of India'. But Indians seem desperate to prove they 'won' the war whereas that tells me the complete opposite....

But Pakistani people are very interested to see international media entering into India and verifying how many Indian jets were down?

So wonder why they dont want the same international media to verify the damage done by India to airbases and terror camps?

Remember how 'India only hit trees' claim were made after Balakot but that airspace was closed for 2 months. Why? Allow international media to verify if they were only trees.

#ToughQuestionsbyRajdeep
#ImmyRunningForCover

 

[ameer219]

But Pakistani people are very interested to see international media entering into India and verifying how many Indian jets were down?

So wonder why they dont want the same international media to verify the damage done by India to airbases and terror camps?

Remember how 'India only hit trees' claim were made after Balakot but that airspace was closed for 2 months. Why? Allow international media to verify if they were only trees.

#ToughQuestionsbyRajdeep
#ImmyRunningForCover

Actually. Nobody cares in Pakistan anymore about airbases damage or your jets being humiliated.

We want to move on. Until 3 months later your IAF chief starts yapping and bringing more humiliation to your country.

Maybe your own media should go and investigate this stupidity instead.

 

[uppercut]

Actually. Nobody cares in Pakistan anymore about airbases damage or your jets being humiliated.

Clearly NOT as can be seen from how badly your "Field" Marshall has been properly rattled and therefore is now ranting like a deranged lunatic and is chasing his masters in the USA to save his bacon.

 

[straighttalk]

This was actually posted on BBC and I took a snap of it. Fake article using fake stories? We are not Bhartis to rely on that. You guys got humiliated and it's been a tough one to accept it, no wonder 3 months ago you celebrated Lahore port takeover and now after 3 months you are celebrating fake claims of shooting down Pakistani jets

Miserable bunch, rona dhina hindustanio ke kismat mein likha hai against Pakistan

Again .share the actual bbc link ...you took the screenshot from BBC website..so please share the link .request is simple..the link exists right..where BBC says it has gone and verified YouTube videos ...SHARE THE LINK...not screenshots..

Your lies are caught because @ameer219 shared the same screenshot from some no name fake news Pakistani portal and asked him the same question. Credit where it is due he searched for the real link and accepted that the news is fabricated. I respect that because people can make mistakes and be unaware in their age of fake news...but you sir is both stupid and a liar...so challenge is simple.no screenshots .just the bbc link showing what is claimed in your screenshot.

If you cannot just admit it that with zero proof you depend on fake news to claim fake victory.

 

[IMMY69]

But Pakistani people are very interested to see international media entering into India and verifying how many Indian jets were down?

So wonder why they dont want the same international media to verify the damage done by India to airbases and terror camps?

Remember how 'India only hit trees' claim were made after Balakot but that airspace was closed for 2 months. Why? Allow international media to verify if they were only trees.

#ToughQuestionsbyRajdeep
#ImmyRunningForCover

There was literally a female sky news reporter, an English Reporter, that visited the mosques and other areas and interviewed locals within 48 hours of the war ending...

 

[Rajdeep]

There was literally a female sky news reporter, an English Reporter, that visited the mosques and other areas and interviewed locals within 48 hours of the war ending...

That is not investigative journalism. Ask your govt to allow neutral international news agencies to investigate 11 air bases and terror camps that India claims to have destroyed. I have zero interest in international media as none of them are neutral. However, since Pakistanis these days cant string a sentence together witbout playing international card, start from your own country and set an example.

 

[IMMY69]

That is not investigative journalism. Ask your govt to allow neutral international news agencies to investigate 11 air bases and terror camps that India claims to have destroyed. I have zero interest in international media as none of them are neutral. However, since Pakistanis these days cant string a sentence together witbout playing international card, start from your own country and set an example.

Why?
It's you who are crying, I'm just amazed (and somewhat amused) at reading all the posts that wreak of insecurity

 

[Kriketer]

Again .share the actual bbc link ...you took the screenshot from BBC website..so please share the link .request is simple..the link exists right..where BBC says it has gone and verified YouTube videos ...SHARE THE LINK...not screenshots..

Your lies are caught because @ameer219 shared the same screenshot from some no name fake news Pakistani portal and asked him the same question. Credit where it is due he searched for the real link and accepted that the news is fabricated. I respect that because people can make mistakes and be unaware in their age of fake news...but you sir is both stupid and a liar...so challenge is simple.no screenshots .just the bbc link showing what is claimed in your screenshot.

If you cannot just admit it that with zero proof you depend on fake news to claim fake victory.

Calling me stupid and a liar when you are unable to digest your humiliation? Instead of being pathetic here and crying about your humiliation, I suggest you look for a rock to crawl under, here's the link where BBC covered it in live coverage, just scroll down and read the section which I took a print shot of. BBC confirmed they had confirmed three different footage of the same field where India jet and humiliation was lying around in pieces. Here read this and stop weeping over your epic humiliation, it is only making you look stupid:

India and Pakistan blame each other for escalating military tensions

The neighbours accused each other of launching drones and missiles.

www.bbc.com

 

[Rajdeep]

Why?
It's you who are crying, I'm just amazed (and somewhat amused) at reading all the posts that wreak of insecurity

What why?

It was you who said, “Why don’t you let international media do an independent investigation on how many Indian jets went down?” All I’m saying is—why don’t you first ask your own government to allow international media to conduct an independent investigation on the airbases that India claimed to have destroyed, and also on the terrorist infrastructure India said it took out, including the 100-odd terrorists killed?

After all, charity begins at home, na.

Pls tell me which part of my ask is unreasonable?

 

[IMMY69]

What why?

It was you who said, “Why don’t you let international media do an independent investigation on how many Indian jets went down?” All I’m saying is—why don’t you first ask your own government to allow international media to conduct an independent investigation on the airbases that India claimed to have destroyed, and also on the terrorist infrastructure India said it took out, including the 100-odd terrorists killed?

After all, charity begins at home, na.

Pls tell me which part of my ask is unreasonable?

Nope you must be confused.

 

[uppercut]

What why?

It was you who said, “Why don’t you let international media do an independent investigation on how many Indian jets went down?” All I’m saying is—why don’t you first ask your own government to allow international media to conduct an independent investigation on the airbases that India claimed to have destroyed, and also on the terrorist infrastructure India said it took out, including the 100-odd terrorists killed?

After all, charity begins at home, na.

Pls tell me which part of my ask is unreasonable?

There is no need for that as the satellite images have done a fantastic job of documenting the damage on the ground whereas PAF has no Satellite images to backup their claims about the 26 Indian airbases.

This is why most posters here try to divert these discussions to jets lol

 

[ameer219]

Clearly NOT as can be seen from how badly your "Field" Marshall has been properly rattled and therefore is now ranting like a deranged lunatic and is chasing his masters in the USA to save his bacon.

Wasnt Modi doing his rounds in USA trying to get his support in his last term? So he is a deranged lunatic to you too?

Our friendship with USA improved thanks to your failure to understand Trump. Don't put it on us for trying to develop our economy and strategic ties.

 

[ameer219]

Why?
It's you who are crying, I'm just amazed (and somewhat amused) at reading all the posts that wreak of insecurity

Lol. The Indians have been trying to prove they won the war since the start. They have been insecure because they started this whole mess, and have been humiliated with loss of their state of the art aircraft, in which they spend almost a decade planning to acquiring them.


So the only way to claim victory was to bombard apparent 11 bases ( with even some airbases being debunked via satellite images). Yet they also forgotten that their airbases could be bombed and has been confirmed at four locations.

I only wish they could see that they have lost on most fronts. Diplomatically lost it with only Israel supporting India. Couldn't even acknowledge US role in bringing peace that brought their demise here today. Even militarily, they couldn't even prove they took out supposedly terrorist targets.

They think they set a new normal. They actually did set since 2019 and it is : Humiliation.

 

[uppercut]

Wasnt Modi doing his rounds in USA trying to get his support in his last term? So he is a deranged lunatic to you too?

I said AM is a Deranged lunatic because of his rants that are triggered by the recent events. Not just because he is chasing the US.

Our friendship with USA improved thanks to your failure to understand Trump. Don't put it on us for trying to develop our economy and strategic ties.

Its actually a good thing that our relationship with the US has deteriorated as they're highly transactional. I am glad that India is standing firm on our stance and not bending backwards to appease Trump like how AM is doing.

 

[uppercut]

Lol. The Indians have been trying to prove they won the war since the start. They have been insecure because they started this whole mess, and have been humiliated with loss of their state of the art aircraft, in which they spend almost a decade planning to acquiring them.

So again losing few jets = losing war ? Yes/No

If so why did your DGMO initiated the phone call to our DGMO and ask for a ceasefire ?. Why is the IWT still suspended ?

 

[Patriot]

So again losing few jets = losing war ? Yes/No

If so why did your DGMO initiated the phone call to our DGMO and ask for a ceasefire ?. Why is the IWT still suspended ?

You are right, losing a few jets doesn’t really mean anything in the long run. But this wasn’t a war, just a skirmish. A real war won’t be this short and nor will it be clean, even a conventional one. War doesn’t play out as you hope it does because the other side isn’t stupid either. A real war will result in a lot of damage and a lot of lives lost. Let’s hope it never happens.

There is a lot of ego on both sides, hence the back and forth.

 

[ameer219]

I said AM is a Deranged lunatic because of his rants that are triggered by the recent events. Not just because he is chasing the US.



Its actually a good thing that our relationship with the US has deteriorated as they're highly transactional. I am glad that India is standing firm on our stance and not bending backwards to appease Trump like how AM is doing.

Then good for you if you think that way. Pakistan believes in globalisation and developing ties as long as it benefits us. If we can increase our exports to US after India's tarrifs, I am in support of that.

 

[uppercut]

You are right, losing a few jets doesn’t really mean anything in the long run. But this wasn’t a war, just a skirmish. A real war won’t be this short and nor will it be clean, even a conventional one. War doesn’t play out as you hope it does because the other side isn’t stupid either. A real war will result in a lot of damage and a lot of lives lost. Let’s hope it never happens.

There is a lot of ego on both sides, hence the back and forth.​

Based on the lunatic rants of AM it is very clear that his fragile ego has been badly bruised. Then there is circumstantial evidence of him trying to bend over backwards to appease Trump and get some freebies is further evidence that he is now under severe pressure to save his face. Meanwhile India is openly refusing to listen to Trumps antics and openly claiming the F-16's where shot down by a Russian S400, refusing to stop buying Russian oil which is clearly meant to antagonize Trump is a tell-tale sign that we hold all the cards and came out as the winners in that conflict.
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[ameer219]

So again losing few jets = losing war ? Yes/No

If so why did your DGMO initiated the phone call to our DGMO and ask for a ceasefire ?. Why is the IWT still suspended ?

Let me break down for you how I view it.

We won the air war, establishing air superiority even inside India with our BVR missiles. Had the war been prolonged, you would have surely seen more destruction of your ground assets from the air. This has magnified the threat of Pakistan's new aircraft, giving us a psychological edge over the IAF, which you guys kept underestimating. A lot of people were laughing at the J-10C, but I guess you got a taste of it. In addition to that, countries around the world will surely be studying the air war and use of BVR by PAF. There is now newfound respect by countries around the world for PAF and China's weaponry.


Regarding the ground war, aside from speculation, I would concede a slight edge to India. They have better leveraged Maxar imagery to show damage, whereas Pakistan needs to substantiate its claims better. That being said, the only confirmed damage is to a hangar and some runways. Claims of strikes on some radar sites, like Chunian, have been debunked. That being said, Pakistan's claim of destroying an S-400 and targeting of Brahmos storage location also needs to be substantiated.

Despite the claims of decisively winning the ground war, Indians chose to omit important facts. We inflicted heavy damage at Poonch on the LoC against your posts. In addition, your own high-ranking officials admitted to limited damage at airbases in Udhampur, Pathankot, Bathinda, Bhuj, and Adampur. That being said, your airbases need to feel the heat from more heavy-duty missiles. Don't forget, we only used the Fateh seriestechnically just rocket artiller which allowed us to control the escalation ladder. If anything, Pakistan should start using the cruise and ballistic missiles in its inventory and be more aggressive in mainland India. The next conflict will not be limited to the LoC. This was a limitation in our thinking, and it needs to change to incorporate Israeli's aggression. Strategic patience may not pay off with a deranged leader like Modi.


Diplomatically, we also won. The fact that India, the aggressor, had to back down and accept a ceasefire is a loss for the country, and a personally disturbing loss for a self-proclaimed 'strong leader' like Modi. No country condemned Pakistan for the unproven claims of terrorism, and aside from Israel, no nation came to your aid. Not even Russia! China, Turkey and Azerbaijan were fully behind Pakistan, providing arms that you childishly chose to boycott. For all your so-called diplomatic prowess under Jaishankar, you made foolish statements like "USA was in the US." You couldn't even thank Trump for his involvement in brokering the ceasefire. That has been a factor that contributed to the 50 percent tariffs against you, whereas Pakistan executed a U-turn in its ties with the USA. (Note: That said, the US relationship is transactional, and Pakistan must remain cautious)

The suspension of the IWT is your decision, and it is undoubtedly impactful. But if you choose to suspend it, we can do nothing except escalate the situation if it worsens. If it goes to the point where it affects water supplies and inevitably threatens our existence, you better believe Pakistan will go on the offensive this time with actual Casus Belli unlike India.


Objectively, what did you actually achieve from this war? The answer is nothing. No verified proof of terrorists killed. Kashmiri freedom fighters are still active inside India. Worse still, you can't even arm wrestle Pakistan militarily to bend to your demands.


Yes, I would state unequivocally that Pakistan won this conflict. But you guys will continue harping and having wet dreams about some hangars and runways destroyed. I feel pity for you if you think that way and actually enjoyed the fact that Indians love to chest thump. Continue underestimating us, and mocking our economy and army which is way way smaller.

Mark my words: this conflict will not be the last and as long as Modi is there we will have one more soon. in the next war, Pakistan will adapt. They will strike even harder. Just like how we adapted to taking out Abhinandan in Pakistan to using BVR missiles, we will adapt with ballistic missiles and cruise missiles.

 

[uppercut]

Let me break down for you how I view it.

We won the air war, establishing air superiority even inside India with our BVR missiles.

I will stop right there .... how do you measure this ? What is the basis for this conclusion and who are the neutral Defense experts that agree with this ? The very simple fact that Once IAF went all in by targeting your Air defense systems first starting on the night of 9th the war ended in a matter of less than 24 hours after that.​

So explain your basis for that statement.

 

[ameer219]

I will stop right there .... how do you measure this ? What is the basis for this conclusion and who are the neutral Defense experts that agree with this ? The very simple fact that Once IAF went all in by targeting your Air defense systems first starting on the night of 9th the war ended in a matter of less than 24 hours after that.​

So explain your basis for that statement.

IAF targetting Pakistan's air defence systems? continue spitting false narratives. It works on Indian forums, not here.


My basis? Very simple. Your Rafale got shot in your own territory 160km away from the border? Is that not establishing air superiority in your own territory? You are not worth my time if you can't even accept your wreckages.

 

[uppercut]

IAF targetting Pakistan's air defence systems? continue spitting false narratives. It works on Indian forums, not here.

You need to understand what the term "Air superiority" means. It means that your PAF can strike with impunity anywhere in the region where the said superiority has been accomplished. this can only happen when you take down Indian Air defense.

Secondly ... despite the supposed air superiority of PAF dozens of missiles all fired by IAF jets precisely found their marks all across Pakistan on the very first night ( and that too after 2 weeks notice of impending attacks )

Thirdly there is absolutely no shortage of evidence to show what happened to 11 airbases starting on the night of 9th may. All of that was accomplished by IAF Jets which quickly lead to a plea of ceasefire by Pak DGMO. Explain how that can happen if you had accomplished air superiority and if your air defense was still intact as you are trying to claim.

My basis? Very simple. Your Rafale got shot in your own territory 160km away from the border? Is that not establishing air superiority in your own territory? You are not worth my time if you can't even accept your wreckages.

No ... it only means that IAF had a self-imposed constraint on the first day which was to not attack any Pak military assets ( radars ) to neutralize your AD. It was a huge risk on the part of IAF but still we were able to hit all 9 terror sites ( using IAF Jets and drones ) which nobody disputes. How does that translate to "Air Superiority" of PAF ?

You are probably mistaking the self imposed restraint to not escalate unless PAF does as a sign of "Air Superiority"

The reality of that can be seen on what happened on the 9th and 10th. You hit absolutely no Indian jets on the last 2 days when they were raining missiles on Pakistan and the S400 was taking down your jets and forcing them deep inside your own territory.

 

[ameer219]

You need to understand what the term "Air superiority" means. It means that your PAF can strike with impunity anywhere in the region where the said superiority has been accomplished. this can only happen when you take down Indian Air defense.

Secondly ... despite the supposed air superiority of PAF dozens of missiles all fired by IAF jets precisely found their marks all across Pakistan on the very first night ( and that too after 2 weeks notice of impending attacks )

Thirdly there is absolutely no shortage of evidence to show what happened to 11 airbases starting on the night of 9th may. All of that was accomplished by IAF Jets which quickly lead to a plea of ceasefire by Pak DGMO. Explain how that can happen if you had accomplished air superiority and if your air defense was still intact as you are trying to claim.




No ... it only means that IAF had a self-imposed constraint on the first day which was to not attack any Pak military assets ( radars ) to neutralize your AD. It was a huge risk on the part of IAF but still we were able to hit all 9 terror sites ( using IAF Jets and drones ) which nobody disputes. How does that translate to "Air Superiority" of PAF ?

You are probably mistaking the self imposed restraint to not escalate unless PAF does as a sign of "Air Superiority"

The reality of that can be seen on what happened on the 9th and 10th. You hit absolutely no Indian jets on the last 2 days when they were raining missiles on Pakistan and the S400 was taking down your jets and forcing them deep inside your own territory.

Maybe you mistakenly assume that I claim air superiority of whole of India. Let me rephrase. We claim air superiority within the corridor where you first launched the attack Air superiority refers to the dominance of one air force over another in a specific area and time, and at that point of time not even one of your jets dared to come close to the border.

Did you manage to conduct operations within the Bathinda or Pulwama airspace after your planes get shot down? No. You had to go even deeper and use strategic depth to help you launch missiles into Pakistan either by land or plane. As far as I was concerned. That corridor was already achieved by Pakistan. It was only a matter of time that we had conducted attacks your air defence systems and go deeper inside.

But then again being the typical Indian, you go back to your claim of 11 airbases and destruction of runways and hangars. Choosing to cherry pick? Sure. If you had read properly I have also highlighted failures of Pakistan army to escalate with heavier duty missiles we have in our arsenal.

Anyways. It's your stupidity that you believe Pakistan won't strike back at your aircrafts after you bombed them. Not our problem you assume that led to your loss of jets.

 

[ameer219]

You need to understand what the term "Air superiority" means. It means that your PAF can strike with impunity anywhere in the region where the said superiority has been accomplished. this can only happen when you take down Indian Air defense.

Secondly ... despite the supposed air superiority of PAF dozens of missiles all fired by IAF jets precisely found their marks all across Pakistan on the very first night ( and that too after 2 weeks notice of impending attacks )

Thirdly there is absolutely no shortage of evidence to show what happened to 11 airbases starting on the night of 9th may. All of that was accomplished by IAF Jets which quickly lead to a plea of ceasefire by Pak DGMO. Explain how that can happen if you had accomplished air superiority and if your air defense was still intact as you are trying to claim.




No ... it only means that IAF had a self-imposed constraint on the first day which was to not attack any Pak military assets ( radars ) to neutralize your AD. It was a huge risk on the part of IAF but still we were able to hit all 9 terror sites ( using IAF Jets and drones ) which nobody disputes. How does that translate to "Air Superiority" of PAF ?

You are probably mistaking the self imposed restraint to not escalate unless PAF does as a sign of "Air Superiority"

The reality of that can be seen on what happened on the 9th and 10th. You hit absolutely no Indian jets on the last 2 days when they were raining missiles on Pakistan and the S400 was taking down your jets and forcing them deep inside your own territory.

Ohh by the way.

Please stop spreading fake information of shooting down our jets with S400. That statement was embarassing coming from you and even greater embarassment coming from your IAF chief without any proof.

 

[straighttalk]

Calling me stupid and a liar when you are unable to digest your humiliation? Instead of being pathetic here and crying about your humiliation, I suggest you look for a rock to crawl under, here's the link where BBC covered it in live coverage, just scroll down and read the section which I took a print shot of. BBC confirmed they had confirmed three different footage of the same field where India jet and humiliation was lying around in pieces. Here read this and stop weeping over your epic humiliation, it is only making you look stupid:

India and Pakistan blame each other for escalating military tensions

The neighbours accused each other of launching drones and missiles.

www.bbc.com

This is a BBC website quoting BBC verify..where is the actual bbc verify link that shows the three videos of the wreckage and accompanying proof that these are the videos of wreckage and this is the geo location based on this evidence. I am assuming the videos are available.

This is akin to prosecutor saying forensic lab has verified the DNA on the knife and it is that of the accused. Is that acceptable or would you say show the knife, show the report and the DNA match.

I searched BBC verify website : https://www.bbc.com/news/bbcverify
And could not find the video. I am open to evidence if it is presented . You can see examples of videos on the website with stamps of BBC verify . Please share that actual video for the evidence that is quoted.

 

[uppercut]

Maybe you mistakenly assume that I claim air superiority of whole of India. Let me rephrase. We claim air superiority within the corridor where you first launched the attack Air superiority refers to the dominance of one air force over another in a specific area and time, and at that point of time not even one of your jets dared to come close to the border.

I never said whole of India. I clear qualified it as "in that region" read my post again ... however you said in post# 432 "even Inside India"

Did you manage to conduct operations within the Bathinda or Pulwama airspace after your planes get shot down? No. You had to go even deeper and use strategic depth to help you launch missiles into Pakistan either by land or plane.

How do you know that we did not ? For starters most of the 9 terror targets that were hit where in the Pakistani Kashmir region and that most likely involved a few jets from those air bases as they are geographically closer. There is no way to tell.

As far as I was concerned. That corridor was already achieved by Pakistan. It was only a matter of time that we had conducted attacks your air defence systems and go deeper inside.

Again you keep implying that it means something ... even if I assume that a such a thing was accomplished how do you explain the 9 sites that were hit with pinpoint precision while this said "corridor was already achieved "?

And what stopped PAF from neutralizing Indian Air defense ?

But then again being the typical Indian, you go back to your claim of 11 airbases and destruction of runways and hangars. Choosing to cherry pick? Sure. If you had read properly I have also highlighted failures of Pakistan army to escalate with heavier duty missiles we have in our arsenal.

There is nothing to cherry pick. That is the entirety of the main damage that was inflicted by IAF due to Air Superiority and this extended across length and breadth of Pakistan which lead to the ceasefire. Thats closer to air superiority than anything you are claiming.

Anyways. It's your stupidity that you believe Pakistan won't strike back at your aircrafts after you bombed them. Not our problem you assume that led to your loss of jets.

Well did it happen ( despite major damages to 11 military + 9 non-military targets ) ? It did not.

 

[straighttalk]

@Rajdeep @Vikram1989 @uppercut @Devadwal @Romali_rotti

This entire propaganda that Reuters and other news agency carried news of apparent PAF shooting jets down is a cleverly orchestrated misinformation campaign. Someone did a fab job analyzing and exposing it here

https://www.reddit.com/r/uttarpradesh/s/UWkYVUOR35

However the interesting thing is both the journalists are based in Islamabad and definitely not neutral
Even more damning is one of them started his career a couple of days before Sindoor... At the time of publishing that story..it was his second or second third.
So far this guy has published 11 exclusively anti India and pro Paksitan stories.
Here is his author profile

https://www.reuters.com/authors/saeed-shah/

He recently regurgitated the same bs story .

The other western media simply quoted this article without any due diligence as no one in the western world cares about India Pak war other than us being nuclear power...

 

[Patriot]

In 2017, the US launched 59 Tomahawks on the Shayrat airbase in Syria. Despite this, the airbase was operational 2 days later.

The Tomahawk carries a bigger warhead than the BrahMos. Point is that airbases are designed to be resilient and are not easily destroyed.

 

[ameer219]

I never said whole of India. I clear qualified it as "in that region" read my post again ... however you said in post# 432 "even Inside India"




How do you know that we did not ? For starters most of the 9 terror targets that were hit where in the Pakistani Kashmir region and that most likely involved a few jets from those air bases as they are geographically closer. There is no way to tell.



Again you keep implying that it means something ... even if I assume that a such a thing was accomplished how do you explain the 9 sites that were hit with pinpoint precision while this said "corridor was already achieved "?

And what stopped PAF from neutralizing Indian Air defense ?



There is nothing to cherry pick. That is the entirety of the main damage that was inflicted by IAF due to Air Superiority and this extended across length and breadth of Pakistan which lead to the ceasefire. Thats closer to air superiority than anything you are claiming.



Well did it happen ( despite major damages to 11 military + 9 non-military targets ) ? It did not.

Typical Indian. Still denying the loss of your aircrafts. You are not worth my time discussing.

Even @straighttalk can admit losses.

 

[ameer219]

In 2017, the US launched 59 Tomahawks on the Shayrat airbase in Syria. Despite this, the airbase was operational 2 days later.

The Tomahawk carries a bigger warhead than the BrahMos. Point is that airbases are designed to be resilient and are not easily destroyed.

Exactly.

And they used words like destroyed. Severely damages.

How naive. What was irreparable was their jets found on the floor.

 

[uppercut]

Typical Indian. Still denying the loss of your aircrafts. You are not worth my time discussing.

Even @straighttalk can admit losses.

Where did I deny that jets were lost ? See Post#428 ... I am only discussing how you equate losing jets = losing war to which you replied by saying Air superiority. Again read post# 428 and the subsequent responses clearly.

 

[uppercut]

Exactly.

And they used words like destroyed. Severely damages.

How naive. What was irreparable was their jets found on the floor.

And you keep pretending that the Bholari and Jacobabad hangars where completely empty which makes no sense at all.

 

[Patriot]

Exactly.

And they used words like destroyed. Severely damages.

How naive. What was irreparable was their jets found on the floor.

This Uppercut guy is extremely aggressive as well. I tried to make peace by saying I hope there is no war and that there are egos on both sides and instead of reciprocating, he went on another rant about how India holds all the card against Trump or something like that.

 

[ameer219]

Where did I deny that jets were lost ? See Post#428 ... I am only discussing how you equate losing jets = losing war to which you replied by saying Air superiority. Again read post# 428 and the subsequent responses clearly.

Again. Cherry picking

Read the whole of post number #432.

You failed to win the conflict simply just by failing to achieve your objectives and facing consequences from your downed jets. Pakistan won the conflict simply just by holding their ground and winning support diplomatically.

 

[ameer219]

This Uppercut guy is extremely aggressive as well. I tried to make peace by saying I hope there is no war and that there are egos on both sides and instead of reciprocating, he went on another rant about how India holds all the card against Trump or something like that.

Yeap agreed.

At least @straighttalk was willing to have a discussion without the patriotic bravado.

 

[ameer219]

And you keep pretending that the Bholari and Jacobabad hangars where completely empty which makes no sense at all.

You know what makes no sense?

Claiming something with no actual proof of damages.

The closest I could even remotely accept was a video of a transport aircraft ( still intact) burning in the background. This equates to minor damages that has been already briefed on ISPR.

You guys on the other hand don't even admit damages on your own bases while your colonel and wing commander have already admitted.

Hence, it's really not worth discussing with a delulu like you. Plus only a person who pushes propaganda needs to come to a Pakistani forum to spew their point of view. When really, no Pakistani cares after 3 months of conflict.

 

[uppercut]

Again. Cherry picking

Read the whole of post number #432.

You failed to win the conflict simply just by failing to achieve your objectives and facing consequences from your downed jets. Pakistan won the conflict simply just by holding their ground and winning support diplomatically.

are you suggesting that we did not take out all the Terror sites that were on the hit list ? To add to that we hit 11 air bases (including atleast 1 Nuclear storage facility ) and ofcourse the radars. So from what angle does this sound like we did not achieve our objectives ?

 

[uppercut]

You know what makes no sense?

Claiming something with no actual proof of damages.

The closest I could even remotely accept was a video of a transport aircraft ( still intact) burning in the background. This equates to minor damages that has been already briefed on ISPR.

You guys on the other hand don't even admit damages on your own bases while your colonel and wing commander have already admitted.

Hence, it's really not worth discussing with a delulu like you. Plus only a person who pushes propaganda needs to come to a Pakistani forum to spew their point of view. When really, no Pakistani cares after 3 months of conflict.

The simple reason for that is there is no evidence to suggest that there was any serious damage inflicted on those Air bases and the satellite pictures confirm that. This has also been verified by neutral sources.

 

[ameer219]

are you suggesting that we did not take out all the Terror sites that were on the hit list ? To add to that we hit 11 air bases (including atleast 1 Nuclear storage facility ) and ofcourse the radars. So from what angle does this sound like we did not achieve our objectives ?

Yeap. All you have shown is targeting civilian sites without any proof.

Nuclear storage facility?

We Did Not Hit Kirana Hills In Pakistan': Indian Air Force Trashes Rumours

You are so deep into your own lies, that even your own crazy media has to refute you.

Like I said. You are a typical Indian who reads WhatsApp and believe in their own hype. It's almost impossible discussing with you because you are unable to differentiate between facts and fiction.

 

[ameer219]

The simple reason for that is there is no evidence to suggest that there was any serious damage inflicted on those Air bases and the satellite pictures confirm that. This has also been verified by neutral sources.

Yeap. Which I have accepted Pakistan could do better to substantiate their claims.

But then again even your own colonel admits to damages on your bases. And attempted at 26 locations too. So you still need evidence despite admission?

India Confirms Bases Attacked By Pakistan, Debunks Claims Of Heavy Damage

 

[ameer219]

are you suggesting that we did not take out all the Terror sites that were on the hit list ? To add to that we hit 11 air bases (including atleast 1 Nuclear storage facility ) and ofcourse the radars. So from what angle does this sound like we did not achieve our objectives ?

Put that aside, What has India actually achieved by attacking Pakistan? Was the bombing worth the blowbacks?You have not proved anything.

Even the lowest I would go is a stalemate in military terms. Diplomatically and objectively you have failed so badly, it's almost embarassing considering how Modi and Jaishankar are chest thumping. If I were you, I will be using my resources to question my leaders, not waste time trying to prove the 11 bases we "destroyed".

 

[uppercut]

Put that aside, What has India actually achieved by attacking Pakistan? Was the bombing worth the blowbacks?You have not proved anything.

What blowbacks ? Can you quantify these ?

Even the lowest I would go is a stalemate in military terms.

well why did your DGMO had to make two attempts to get thru ? What Pak is doing right now is just plain face saving as part of damage control. But yes if Pakistan attempts another Pulwama/Pehalgam then you would be correct that whatever damage was inflicted was not enough of a deterrent.

And please dont try to pretend that Pakistan is a innocent peace loving nation that never indulges in such acts.

Diplomatically and objectively you have failed so badly, it's almost embarassing considering how Modi and Jaishankar are chest thumping. If I were you, I will be using my resources to question my leaders, not waste time trying to prove the 11 bases we "destroyed".

So you dont think your Field Marshall throwing Nuclear threats is not indicative of anything ?

 

[uppercut]

Yeap. All you have shown is targeting civilian sites without any proof.

Nuclear storage facility?

We Did Not Hit Kirana Hills In Pakistan': Indian Air Force Trashes Rumours

You are so deep into your own lies, that even your own crazy media has to refute you.

Like I said. You are a typical Indian who reads WhatsApp and believe in their own hype. It's almost impossible discussing with you because you are unable to differentiate between facts and fiction.

do you realize that there are actually videos and satellite images to prove that it was hit ?

 

[ameer219]

do you realize that there are actually videos and satellite images to prove that it was hit ?

Sure then. They also destroyed Lahore port.

 

[ameer219]

What blowbacks ? Can you quantify these ?

Your jets.

well why did your DGMO had to make two attempts to get thru ? What Pak is doing right now is just plain face saving as part of damage control. But yes if Pakistan attempts another Pulwama/Pehalgam then you would be correct that whatever damage was inflicted was not enough of a deterrent.

And please dont try to pretend that Pakistan is a innocent peace loving nation that never indulges in such acts.

Since when did I say Pakistan was innocent? And what proof do you have about DGMO contacting. If you guys were winning why accept ceasefire? Jeez lacking logic here.

So you dont think your Field Marshall throwing Nuclear threats is not indicative of anything ?

Nope. This is pure speculation.

 

[uppercut]

Your jets.

Back to square one ... so Jets lost = War lost ? Can you clearly answer this question with a simple yes/no ?

Since when did I say Pakistan was innocent? And what proof do you have about DGMO contacting.

Purely based on damages inflicted, circumstantial evidence and the aftermath wherein India is flatly refusing Trumps claims and actually embarrassing him with the F16 losses. Conversely if Pak won as many here believe why is the IWT still suspended and your deranged Field Marshall making threats like a gali-mohalla gunda ?​

If you guys were winning why accept ceasefire? Jeez lacking logic here.

because from our perspective the objective of destroying terror targets was achieved on Day1. Anything that we achieved after that was a pure bonus.

Nope. This is pure speculation.

No speculation involved because nobody goes on issuing such grave threats unless they percieve danger from their adversaries words and actions.

 

[ahsan17]

People are wasting time arguing with andhbakhts who will believe whatever Modi government says at will. It's a complete waste of valuable time.

I am posting this for general information and not to get tied up wasting time arguing with bakhts which will twist common sense into a pretzel. Here are a few of independent verifications based on local sources in India of planes getting shot down:

1. Reuters - 3 planes in Kashmir specifically: https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...mu-kashmir-local-govt-sources-say-2025-05-07/
2. BBC reporting from 1 site of crash: https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/cvg7gdpqr92o
3. BBC reporting on a different crash site: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cwyneele13qt?post=asset:0da4237b-3fe0-452c-b2a8-6a8a376ff68a#post
4. Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/05/09/fighter-jets-india-pakistan-attack/

There are more, from NYT, CNN, additional reports from Reuters in Bathinda, etc.

No such thing exists from Pakistan. 6 jets is not a small number, at least some would have been independently verified if it were true. This doesn't require Einstein level intelligence either, just basic common sense.

 

[ameer219]

Back to square one ... so Jets lost = War lost ? Can you clearly answer this question with a simple yes/no ?

Nope. Jet lost = blowbacks= bad ROI for some civilian bombings.

Purely based on damages inflicted, circumstantial evidence and the aftermath wherein India is flatly refusing Trumps claims and actually embarrassing him with the F16 losses. Conversely if Pak won as many here believe why is the IWT still suspended and your deranged Field Marshall making threats like a gali-mohalla gunda ?​

IWT suspended is a decision by India that has consequences. You don't have the capacity now to stop water. But rest assured if you escalate this in the future , it may result in even more conflicts.

And by the way, still no link with the field marshal.

because from our perspective the objective of destroying terror targets was achieved on Day1. Anything that we achieved after that was a pure bonus.

Well. No proof of destroyed terrorist hideouts. But there is proof of destroyed jets. Hope you enjoyed the blowbacks from a worthless operation.

No speculation involved because nobody goes on issuing such grave threats unless they percieve danger from their adversaries words and actions.

Modi groans everyday about Pakistan. Does that mean he is in grave danger from Pakistan? No logic?

 

[uppercut]

Nope. Jet lost = blowbacks= bad ROI for some civilian bombings.

you are forgetting the huge losses suffered by Pak Military .... Compared to that the Indian losses were negligible.

IWT suspended is a decision by India that has consequences. You don't have the capacity now to stop water. But rest assured if you escalate this in the future , it may result in even more conflicts.

And by the way, still no link with the field marshal.

So far only rants from Pak military in response to actions already taken by India on IWT tells the story.

Well. No proof of destroyed terrorist hideouts. But there is proof of destroyed jets. Hope you enjoyed the blowbacks from a worthless operation.

here you go:

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abXsMSqeaIA --> Muridke destruction
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdqPYLCX7GE --> Bahawalpur destruction
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWaa0KcQkFc --> List of Terror Camps Destroyed with evidence ( list is much larger than initial assesement )
4. https://x.com/Duorope/status/1939652850461876282 --> Pak official explaining how every district in Kashmir was hit
   

Modi groans everyday about Pakistan. Does that mean he is in grave danger from Pakistan? No logic?

Difference is the desperation to use the Nuclear blackmail at the drop of the hat.

 

[uppercut]

People are wasting time arguing with andhbakhts who will believe whatever Modi government says at will. It's a complete waste of valuable time.

Can you show me one single Indian govt source that I have used in my posts so far ?

I am posting this for general information and not to get tied up wasting time arguing with bakhts which will twist common sense into a pretzel. Here are a few of independent verifications based on local sources in India of planes getting shot down:

1. Reuters - 3 planes in Kashmir specifically: https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...mu-kashmir-local-govt-sources-say-2025-05-07/
2. BBC reporting from 1 site of crash: https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/cvg7gdpqr92o
3. BBC reporting on a different crash site: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cwyneele13qt?post=asset:0da4237b-3fe0-452c-b2a8-6a8a376ff68a#post
4. Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/05/09/fighter-jets-india-pakistan-attack/

There are more, from NYT, CNN, additional reports from Reuters in Bathinda, etc.

No such thing exists from Pakistan. 6 jets is not a small number, at least some would have been independently verified if it were true. This doesn't require Einstein level intelligence either, just basic common sense.

And Pakistan never lost a jet or a Air base or a Nuclear storage facility or key radars or important hangars ?

And BTW I can similarly call you a Madrassa Chaap or worse. Two can play that game of hurling insults. Stick to facts.

 

[ameer219]

you are forgetting the huge losses suffered by Pak Military .... Compared to that the Indian losses were negligible.

Sure. Again the numbers game after losing a billion dollars worth of aircrafts. Bases can be repaired. Aircrafts have to be replaced. Know the differences.

So far only rants from Pak military in response to actions already taken by India on IWT tells the story.

Yeap. Just action on cancelling. Nothing else so far.

here you go:

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abXsMSqeaIA --> Muridke destruction
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdqPYLCX7GE --> Bahawalpur destruction
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWaa0KcQkFc --> List of Terror Camps Destroyed with evidence ( list is much larger than initial assesement )
4. https://x.com/Duorope/status/1939652850461876282 --> Pak official explaining how every district in Kashmir was hit

Either just description of the event or Indian sources. Typical Indian.

Difference is the desperation to use the Nuclear blackmail at the drop of the hat.

Yes. So is the desperation of "Agar Rafale toh...” then bam. Smacked back to planet Earth.

 

[ahsan17]

Can you show me one single Indian govt source that I have used in my posts so far ?




And Pakistan never lost a jet or a Air base or a Nuclear storage facility or key radars or important hangars ?

And BTW I can similarly call you a Madrassa Chaap or worse. Two can play that game of hurling insults. Stick to facts.

Stick to the topic and don't waste time. Which part of your post is relevant to India claiming to shooting down Pakistani planes?

 

[ameer219]

Stick to the topic and don't waste time. Which part of your post is relevant to India claiming to shooting down Pakistani planes?

Don't bother.

He can't prove. Only thing he wants to prove is how India is a superpower.

 

[ahsan17]

Sure. Again the numbers game after losing a billion dollars worth of aircrafts. Bases can be repaired. Aircrafts have to be replaced. Know the differences.

Just doing some napkin math, the monetary cost ratio must be like at least 1:100 or something in that ballpark, in favour of Pakistan.

 

[uppercut]

Sure. Again the numbers game after losing a billion dollars worth of aircrafts. Bases can be repaired. Aircrafts have to be replaced. Know the differences.

Those 2 Hangars at Bholari and Jacobabad cannot be replaced. They have to be rebuilt from scratch and the equipment inside them has to be re-purchased. Then you are forgetting all the Personnel casualties which are irreplaceable ... there isn't even a price you can attach to those losses.

PS: I suggest you go look at OSINT analysis of what happened at Nur Khan.

Either just description of the event or Indian sources. Typical Indian.

Naah three of the 4 videos are from Pakistani sources and the other is from Indian but I have used it because it contains images. Go take a look.

 

[ameer219]

Those 2 Hangars at Bholari and Jacobabad cannot be replaced. They have to be rebuilt from scratch and the equipment inside them has to be re-purchased. Then you are forgetting all the Personnel casualties which are irreplaceable ... there isn't even a price you can attach to those losses.

PS: I suggest you go look at OSINT analysis of what happened at Nur Khan.

Yeap. A hole the hangar. The structure is still intact. If it had been in pieces I would agree with you. But nope. The structure still standing. Definitely don't require to be built from scratch.

Ohh and it's cheaper than a jet for sure.

Naah three of the 4 videos are from Pakistani sources and the other is from Indian but I have used it because it contains images. Go take a look.

Yeap. But none of it proves it was terrorist hideouts. No proof even from Indian source which is already propaganda.

 

[uppercut]

Yeap. A hole the hangar. The structure is still intact. If it had been in pieces I would agree with you. But nope. The structure still standing. Definitely don't require to be built from scratch.

Thats because you are not accounting for the damage done to the foundation and floor of that base when a Brahmos with a massive payload detonates inside a closed hangar. EVERYTHING insde that is toast and beyond repair. Just look at how far the front wall has flown out.

And any thoughts on the personnel and hardware that was lost inside that hangar ?

Ohh and it's cheaper than a jet for sure.

Sure but not easy to rebuild. If you think it only needs a roof job you are horribly mistaken. Then there is the NOTAM on Rahim Yar Khan to fix the hole on the runway which is now more than 3 months old.The size of that hole beggars belief.

These are not easy to fix. BTW its the same missile that hit Bholari and Jacobabad Hangars. That will give you the extent of the damage.

Yeap. But none of it proves it was terrorist hideouts. No proof even from Indian source which is already propaganda.

Well you are again forgetting that your Army was caught on camera mourning the victims and open statements by Masood Azhar that he lost a lot of his extended family. That is good enough for me.

 

[straighttalk]

People are wasting time arguing with andhbakhts who will believe whatever Modi government says at will. It's a complete waste of valuable time.

I am posting this for general information and not to get tied up wasting time arguing with bakhts which will twist common sense into a pretzel. Here are a few of independent verifications based on local sources in India of planes getting shot down:

1. Reuters - 3 planes in Kashmir specifically: https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...mu-kashmir-local-govt-sources-say-2025-05-07/
2. BBC reporting from 1 site of crash: https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/cvg7gdpqr92o
3. BBC reporting on a different crash site: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cwyneele13qt?post=asset:0da4237b-3fe0-452c-b2a8-6a8a376ff68a#post
4. Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/05/09/fighter-jets-india-pakistan-attack/

There are more, from NYT, CNN, additional reports from Reuters in Bathinda, etc.

No such thing exists from Pakistan. 6 jets is not a small number, at least some would have been independently verified if it were true. This doesn't require Einstein level intelligence either, just basic common sense.

There are report but there is always unnamed sources from third countries...where is the evidence

1. A bs001 part where there are doubts
2. A fuselage which doesn't mean it crashed...it could be jettisoned.
3. And our CDS admitting to losses but below 6.

In my opinion the 3rd can be used as a conclusive evidence ..rest of the sources you and others shared do not have any evidence other than the wapo article which shows the two pics listed in 1 and 2.

Most quoted the Reuters article written by two islamabad orifin journalist..one of them joined Reuters on May 5 and had written three articles then and 11 now all focused on anti India diatribe.

In the absence of wreckage and any conclusive evidence beyond sources say...there is no evidence of 6 losses. Same goes for Indian claims .i agree...unless IAF shows the evidence then there is zero proof of the claims

 

[ameer219]

Thats because you are not accounting for the damage done to the foundation and floor of that base when a Brahmos with a massive payload detonates inside a closed hangar. EVERYTHING insde that is toast and beyond repair. Just look at how far the front wall has flown out.

You fail to account the walls being broken. And you don't even know what's inside? You are just speculating. Even the ground can be repaired as easily as a runway. Your claims are speculations at best. You just can't admit that a full aircraft requires it to be built from scratch and cost close to $300,000,000

And any thoughts on the personnel and hardware that was lost inside that hangar ?

No evidence of significant hardware destroyed. And loss of lives are tragic. But sure India has no loss of lives. How believable. Maybe you should go to the Poonch border to see your dead soldiers.

Sure but not easy to rebuild. If you think it only needs a roof job you are horribly mistaken. Then there is the NOTAM on Rahim Yar Khan to fix the hole on the runway which is now more than 3 months old.The size of that hole beggars belief.

We are not in a state of war right now and we can take our time. Runways take 2-4 hours max anyways.

Nothing serious about the hole. It's normal during conflicts.

These are not easy to fix. BTW its the same missile that hit Bholari and Jacobabad Hangars. That will give you the extent of the damage.

Once again. Nothing serious or irreparable.

Well you are again forgetting that your Army was caught on camera mourning the victims and open statements by Masood Azhar that he lost a lot of his extended family. That is good enough for me.

Erm ok? If that makes you happy.

But then again. There is still no proofs of terrorist killed. Till you can prove, it's all civilians.

Worst. For all this civilians you killed, you lose a billion dollars worth of planes in return. It would have been cheaper to buy them to riot against Pakistan.

 

[uppercut]

You fail to account the walls being broken.

huh ? The pic is telling you that the walls are broken.

And you don't even know what's inside?

You tell me. Hangars are meant to house jets and other military aircraft with trained military personnel. You lost all of that unless you are now going to claim that both these hangars were abandoned.

You are just speculating. Even the ground can be repaired as easily as a runway. Your claims are speculations at best. You just can't admit that a full aircraft requires it to be built from scratch and cost close to $300,000,000

Not from the recurring NOTAMS now spanning 3+ months at Rahim Yar Khan. Also you are conveniently ignoring the fact that India has numerous spare jets. There is no such thing as a spare Hangar or spare Squadron leader and other such resources that are not easy to replace

No evidence of significant hardware destroyed. And loss of lives are tragic. But sure India has no loss of lives. How believable. Maybe you should go to the Poonch border to see your dead soldiers.

You lost atleast one AWACS inside Bholari. You lost atleast a few F16 unless you have evidence that both those hangars were empty at the point of impact. You also lost a Squadron leader at Bholari. And lets not even talk about what happened at NurKhan. I mean do you really think Pak would call for ceasefire if not for​

We are not in a state of war right now and we can take our time. Runways take 2-4 hours max anyways.

Not for Rahim Yar Khan which is still out of commision for 3+ months

Nothing serious about the hole. It's normal during conflicts.

Once again. Nothing serious or irreparable.

Not when its still not repaired 3 months later.

Erm ok? If that makes you happy.

But then again. There is still no proofs of terrorist killed. Till you can prove, it's all civilians.

From a Indian perspective anyone who was associated with those site is a terrorist moreover the main objective was to dismantle the infrastructure.

Worst. For all this civilians you killed, you lose a billion dollars worth of planes in return. It would have been cheaper to buy them to riot against Pakistan.

Small price if it buys peace and deters future such acts. I see you have no qualms in defending a well known rogue military that has history of such despicable acts. This is the reason why India has said enough is enough.

Will respond tomorrow. ttyl

 

[ameer219]

huh ? The pic is telling you that the walls are broken.

If you look carefully. The whole structure is still standing.

You tell me. Hangars are meant to house jets and other military aircraft with trained military personnel. You lost all of that unless you are now going to claim that both these hangars were abandoned.

Like I said. No proof of damages, no credibility to what you mentioned.

Not from the recurring NOTAMS now spanning 3+ months at Rahim Yar Khan. Also you are conveniently ignoring the fact that India has numerous spare jets. There is no such thing as a spare Hangar or spare Squadron leader and other such resources that are not easy to replace

Please put up a neutral source for your claims.

You lost atleast one AWACS inside Bholari. You lost atleast a few F16 unless you have evidence that both those hangars were empty at the point of impact. You also lost a Squadron leader at Bholari. And lets not even talk about what happened at NurKhan. I mean do you really think Pak would call for ceasefire if not for​

Again. Just constant blabbering without proof.

Not for Rahim Yar Khan which is still out of commision for 3+ months




Not when its still not repaired 3 months later.



From a Indian perspective anyone who was associated with those site is a terrorist moreover the main objective was to dismantle the infrastructure.

Again chest thumping and no proof.

Small price if it buys peace and deters future such acts. I see you have no qualms in defending a well known rogue military that has history of such despicable acts. This is the reason why India has said enough is enough.

Will respond tomorrow. ttyl

Sure. India is a peaceful nation that has not harm a fly.

 

[Rajdeep]

If cricket matches were not televised, Pakistan would have claimed victory over West Indies in social media, likes of Afridi would have taken out victory march and @IMMY69 would be flaunting its brave cricketers. Their army is not much different to their cricket team. Only difference is one is televised where you can't lie.

#ItsAllOverSocialMedia

 

[ameer219]

If cricket matches were not televised, Pakistan would have claimed victory over West Indies in social media, likes of Afridi would have taken out victory march and @IMMY69 would be flaunting its brave cricketers. Their army is not much different to their cricket team. Only difference is one is televised where you can't lie.

#ItsAllOverSocialMedia

This is not the right thread to discuss about cricket match.

But let me assure you, even I was prepared for Pakistan team to lose especially with Rizwan and Babar. Lost hope with them after the mauling done by Indian in Asia cup.


I am not ashamed to admit that. Credit where credit is due.

 

[IMMY69]

If cricket matches were not televised, Pakistan would have claimed victory over West Indies in social media, likes of Afridi would have taken out victory march and @IMMY69 would be flaunting its brave cricketers. Their army is not much different to their cricket team. Only difference is one is televised where you can't lie.

#ItsAllOverSocialMedia

Huh?
The only thing that keeps me interested in cricket these days is the Indian Javelin thrower masquerading as a bowler... and India's hypocrisy when it comes to ICC Tournaments

 

[AAli98]

 

[IronShield]

Why is Shavangi missing from his panel?

 

[Kriketer]

If cricket matches were not televised, Pakistan would have claimed victory over West Indies in social media, likes of Afridi would have taken out victory march and @IMMY69 would be flaunting its brave cricketers. Their army is not much different to their cricket team. Only difference is one is televised where you can't lie.

#ItsAllOverSocialMedia

Again the same social media which was used by BBC and other outlets to confirm your Rafaels debris being picked up, it sure was #alloversocialmedia, hence India went all out Internet blockade when they were getting a beating of a lifetime. You didn't want your humiliation to be broadcasted to the world.

Infact Pakistan response was at such a massive scale that India was totally humbled and humiliated, you ran away midway IPL game in IOK, and called off IPL all across India because Pakistani drones and missles were penetrating deep in India. Pakistan barrage of missles response against Indian terrorism made India run to US to beg for a ceasefire...this was actually confirmed by BBC and Sky in another live coverage on the 4th day when ceasefire was called