India should aim not just to beat but to humiliate England this summer

[NoBallZombie]

England have definitely been humiliated here! How were they only able to win the series 2-1?! Thats criminal! England should give up cricket and take up galli danda! Or pittoo maari maybe.

 

[Ab Fan]

Tbh, it was too much to ask for any team to beat current England in England in all three formats of the game. Ofcourse, OP was way too dramatic.

However, now that India have lost the ODI series, I expect India to give their best and win the test series. If that happens, this ODI series loss will mean zilch.

India's test record has been very poor in England in this decade and its time to better that by winning a series this time.

 

[Monsee]

India and their fans, 1-2 wins and they think the opposition is not present any longer and have given up playing cricket completely. At the end of this ODI series, the two world legends, according to them fans: Rahul and Kuldeep both looked well put in a corner at best!

This sets up the test series for a huge let down, let's see how India 'Humiliate' England in some new twisted way LOL

 

[Monsee]

Tbh, it was too much to ask for any team to beat current England in England in all three formats of the game. Ofcourse, OP was way too dramatic.

However, now that India have lost the ODI series, I expect India to give their best and win the test series. If that happens, this ODI series loss will mean zilch.

India's test record has been very poor in England in this decade and its time to better that by winning a series this time.

And Captain Funtaastic only averages in teens, so who you think is gonna score for them those big centuries: Kohli, Raina, Pujara, Rahul?

In all the excitement, all Indian fans stop thinking about one thing: England is at home, knows how to play especially at home, have a pretty good team, and will not be a roll over and die type of opposition. And Indian bowling is not exactly very high on confidence right about now!

 

[Ab Fan]

And Captain Funtaastic only averages in teens, so who you think is gonna score for them those big centuries: Kohli, Raina, Pujara, Rahul?

In all the excitement, all Indian fans stop thinking about one thing: England is at home, knows how to play especially at home, have a pretty good team, and will not be a roll over and die type of opposition. And Indian bowling is not exactly very high on confidence right about now!

When captain Fantaastic averaged in teen, he was 25 and the opposition bowlers, Anderson and Broad were 31 and 28 respectively. 4 years down the line things have changed.

I am not making any claim that India will beat or humiliate England in test series but India does have the team to beat England. There will be assistance for spinners as well and batting won't be that tough as it is late summer. Anyways, all these will be clear once the test series begins.

For India to win, Kohli will have to deliver. If he fails, then very bleak chance obviously.

 

[Slim]

I genuinely think Kohli is the GOAT of this generation and probably the best bat after Bradman ( yet to solidify my opinion on that). I would be happy to see him perform and India to lose which they are destined to.

 

[Oligochaetes]

Looks like the Indian team has humiliated the OP

Let's see what happens in the test series.

 

[dani2k]

India's middle order is in experimental mode and the one thing that has come out clearly is that 6 bowling options is a must - I am inclined to go back to Jadeja with Pandya moving up one place. However with MSD in the form he is now that is a risky move...with an unsettled middle order and not much time left the selectors have a sting hopper in hand for sure which needs to be unravelled soon..

 

[Robert]

When captain Fantaastic averaged in teen, he was 25 and the opposition bowlers, Anderson and Broad were 31 and 28 respectively. 4 years down the line things have changed.
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Anderson has got better, if you look. I think he averages 19 over the last twelve months.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Anderson has got better, if you look. I think he averages 19 over the last twelve months.

Not gotten better. He was always a good bowler in certain conditions. That last twelve months includes bashing SA (without AB or Markram), West Indies, and one very good fifer in OZ with the pink ball under lights. Not saying that is bad but i don't think he has improved at all.

 

[RamLakhan]

The weak middle order gets away in T20s but gets exposed in ODIs... Indian selectors and management are thinking emotionally, they think MSD is a legend and should not be dropped, and his wicket keeping skills comes to the focus! But I have understood the problem thoroughly. If Pant or Kishan or even Rahul keeps wicket for our LOI team, then so many equations change up drastically and MSD's wicket-keeping and so-called ghost captaincy skills will become insignificant (When will Kohli learn captaincy then? After World Cup?) Rahul Dravid keeping wickets for ODI (masterstroke by Ganguly) strengthened our team like anything and the batting order went so deeper and it indirectly strengthened our bowling line up as well (4 proper bowlers)! In fact that led to rise of Dhoni who replaced Dravid later on! Similar thing will happen now, a much improved version of Dhoni, a successor will come to rise!

You will see that there will be so much solidity added to middle order and also we can get rid of Pandya if he is useless! Somebody like Pant opening or coming at No.3 will improve the balance like anything. Unfortunately we can only dream of such things! Cricket is also a commercial brand (to sell items & legends) and not just sports!

 

[Bhaijaan]

India fielded their B team in the ODIs however kudos to England because beating even India's B team in this era is an achievment.

Had Rahul, Bumrah, Pant, Shami all played it would have been a clear 3-0 sweep for India.

-Bhaijaan

 

[Robert]

India fielded their B team in the ODIs however kudos to England because beating even India's B team in this era is an achievment.

Had Rahul, Bumrah, Pant, Shami all played it would have been a clear 3-0 sweep for India.

-Bhaijaan

Alternate reality humiliations are the new moral victories.

 

[yasir]

India fielded their B team in the ODIs however kudos to England because beating even India's B team in this era is an achievment.

Had Rahul, Bumrah, Pant, Shami all played it would have been a clear 3-0 sweep for India.

-Bhaijaan

Shakar Karnay Ayaya Thay, Shakar Ho Chalay...Gather all your excuses for the main course, results of that will not look pretty either :

 

[topspin]

India fielded their B team in the ODIs however kudos to England because beating even India's B team in this era is an achievment.

Had Rahul, Bumrah, Pant, Shami all played it would have been a clear 3-0 sweep for India.

-Bhaijaan

It was 80% full strength actually. At most there were 3 players who weren't cut for first XI and bilaterals is all about rotation and testing your bench strength.

England has far more depth in their squad particularly with the batting.

As for the 3-0 claim you're just making it more embarrassing for yourself. If India had won 2-1 with half of their first team I perhaps would have agreed.

 

[troodon]

With BK out of Test series, India's chances have reduced drastically. The one potential threat has been taken away from India.

Bumrah/Ishant/Shami has to be their absolutely at their best for India to even compete.

 

[Brodipet_baadshah]

With BK out of Test series, India's chances have reduced drastically. The one potential threat has been taken away from India.

Bumrah/Ishant/Shami has to be their absolutely at their best for India to even compete.

Even bumrah is out of first test and most likely to follow BK route

 

[big_gamer007]

India fielded their B team in the ODIs however kudos to England because beating even India's B team in this era is an achievment.

Had Rahul, Bumrah, Pant, Shami all played it would have been a clear 3-0 sweep for India.

-Bhaijaan

Totally agreed with you however indian selectors are to be blamed for sending B team for ODI’s.

England is a good ODI side and we should have sent our best team to humiliate them in their backyard and shatter their confidence before World Cup..

Having said that I still expected our B team to win against England.. Ideally our bench strength should be stronger than First team of most of the countries bar a couple..

Let’s wait for tests and see how it goes anything less than a 3-0 win would be a loss imo.

 

[aloo paratha]

India fielded their B team in the ODIs however kudos to England because beating even India's B team in this era is an achievment.

Had Rahul, Bumrah, Pant, Shami all played it would have been a clear 3-0 sweep for India.

-Bhaijaan

Pakistan fielded B team in NZ in January. We were missing Junaid Khan and Usman Khan, and we decided to play Azhar Ali and Mohammad Hafeez.

Had we selected a different team it would've been us winning 5-0

 

[aloo paratha]

Not gotten better. He was always a good bowler in certain conditions. That last twelve months includes bashing SA (without AB or Markram), West Indies, and one very good fifer in OZ with the pink ball under lights. Not saying that is bad but i don't think he has improved at all.

What's the point in saying all of this when the conditions are gonna be the same??

 

[Slim]

Looks like the bhaijan and his india numba 1 2020 entrouage might have excuses (albeit poor excuses) to save face now.

 

[Bhaijaan]

So far on this tour India has been ahead of England as they crushed them in T20s while England just crossed the finishing line ahead of India B team.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Close this thread before bhaijaan helps England in humiliating India in the test series.

 

[happydavy]

I had mentioned in this very thread a few weeks back that some Indian fans are completely delusional. The same delusional fans called me low on confidence as if it was me picking up the bat and ball. They get carried away with star sports commercials on how India is going to easily win the overseas series they have the rights to. Gullible fans fall for it.

Indian team never ceases to disappoint when traveling abroad and this time is going to be no different. But it doesn't matter. Because by the time they will be touring Australia there will be the same hype and a lot of media commentary on how India is going to win against Australia and there also the result will be the same i.e. India loosing.

When you have coaches/selectors and a media whose day job is to only and only to sing praises of Indian cricketers, then there is no one to show them the mirror.

 

[Robert]

So far on this tour India has been ahead of England as they crushed them in T20s while England just crossed the finishing line ahead of India B team.

This is great. Say more! Say more!

 

[Mueez]

England deserve this humiliation....


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[Bhaijaan]

India wins day 1.

What a great start to the test series.

 

[big_gamer007]

Indian batting is the weak point, never thought I will get a chance to say this but current Indian batting line up is just too poor..

Frankly it’s an embarrassment to see such meek batsmen playing for India..

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Indian batting is the weak point, never thought I will get a chance to say this but current Indian batting line up is just too poor..

Frankly it’s an embarrassment to see such meek batsmen playing for India..

Bowlers too won't bowl out England for a score below 300 everytime. Their confidence and shoulders will go down if we concede a lead in the first innings.

This was a good opportunity to take a lead of around 200 and put England under pressure. But our batsman still think they are playing in Chinnaswamy stadium against Dinda and Unadkat.

 

[big_gamer007]

Bowlers too won't bowl out England for a score below 300 everytime. Their confidence and shoulders will go down if we concede a lead in the first innings.

This was a good opportunity to take a lead of around 200 and put England under pressure. But our batsman still think they are playing in Chinnaswamy stadium against Dinda and Unadkat.

Bowlers have done well in SA and have been consistently great at home.. So for now we can’t criticise them much if they don’t do well in this series sure we can criticise them..

Yes our batsmen are just not capable of playing long innings in test matches away from home.. Apart from kohli all other batsmen are very mediocre.. Like I said weakest indian batting line up in last 50-60 years

 

[Kashmirilion]

Looks like this will be a very long tour for India.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Lol what a thread.

 

[NoBallZombie]

some humiliation on the cards!

 

[Bhaijaan]

The Great Kohli leading from the front.

England being lucky in overcast conditions against rusty batsmen.

But India will still bounce back and come on top of England.

 

[BD-fan]

The Great Kohli leading from the front.

England being lucky in overcast conditions against rusty batsmen.

But India will still bounce back and come on top of England.

Please don't mention the drop catches.

 

[Ab Fan]

We wil lose both ODIs and Tests series, yet the OP will give excuses that we crushed England in t20 and were competitive in Tests and ODIs.

Fact is no one will care about the T20 win. It will actually be a humiliation from the other end if England wins the Test series even if they win in the last over of the last test match because they already won the ODI series and T20 win anyways means nothing.

 

[James]

This match is a good contest, will be a tight series I think.

 

[Bhaijaan]

This match is a good contest, will be a tight series I think.

Full respect to England for being able to compete with this Indian team. Pleasantly surprised. Look forward to more such thrilling days of test cricket.

 

[Bhaijaan]

We wil lose both ODIs and Tests series, yet the OP will give excuses that we crushed England in t20 and were competitive in Tests and ODIs.

Fact is no one will care about the T20 win. It will actually be a humiliation from the other end if England wins the Test series even if they win in the last over of the last test match because they already won the ODI series and T20 win anyways means nothing.

You really need to toughen up bro. Be a man, like your Bhaijaan.

 

[Ab Fan]

You really need to toughen up bro. Be a man, like your Bhaijaan.

First thing first to clarify things firstly, I am not even an Indian cricket fan. So, a win or loss dont mean much for me. I have said it in past as well.

Also, its not me who is playing so no need to toughen up but excuses are unacceptable once you lose the series. I love watching cricket but I dont support or I am not a fan of Indian test cricket. Just trying to take off the rose-tinted glass of some of the fans. Appreciated the batsmen, Kohli though.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Legendary stuff from King Kohli.

He is showing who is the man out there and is defying England single handedly.

 

[Ab Fan]

A one-man fluke performance has managed to save India from a humiliation that could be remembered for years just like the one that fans remember in 2011 and 2014.

It is to be seen how many flukes can save India from the further humiliations.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

First thing first to clarify things firstly, I am not even an Indian cricket fan. So, a win or loss dont mean much for me. I have said it in past as well.

Also, its not me who is playing so no need to toughen up but excuses are unacceptable once you lose the series. I love watching cricket but I dont support or I am not a fan of Indian test cricket. Just trying to take off the rose-tinted glass of some of the fans. Appreciated the batsmen, Kohli though.

Which team do you support? South Africa?

 

[Bhaijaan]

A one-man fluke performance has managed to save India from a humiliation that could be remembered for years just like the one that fans remember in 2011 and 2014.

It is to be seen how many flukes can save India from the further humiliations.

We will kill your hate with love.

We are the mighty men of India.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Threads like this don't make any sense lol We are not 2000 Australian team.

 

[Ab Fan]

We will kill your hate with love.

We are the mighty men of India.

No hate as such. Just stopped caring Indian cricket way back. I have found some interest back though.

Actually, I lived in South Africa for 2 years, somewhere around 2012-2014. So, lost the interest completely which was already gone. Found some interest since 2016 due to continuous following of PP but no such fan-like things.

 

[Ab Fan]

Which team do you support? South Africa?

Their team was so phenomenal till 2014, wish India could produce a fast bowler like Dale Steyn.

 

[Oligochaetes]

Forget humiliation, India are unable to beat England at the moment Did someone miscalculate team strengths?

 

[Robert]

A one-man fluke performance has managed to save India from a humiliation that could be remembered for years just like the one that fans remember in 2011 and 2014.

It is to be seen how many flukes can save India from the further humiliations.

I didn’t think it was a fluke. He has silenced his critics - hanging in there early on, and grinding it out like Dravid. Most excellent.

Without him India were - what? 240 for 18?

 

[Ab Fan]

I didn’t think it was a fluke. He has silenced his critics - hanging in there early on, and grinding it out like Dravid. Most excellent.

Without him India were - what? 240 for 18?

Yes, Kohli was brilliant.If others show up in rest of matches, this can go down as a blockbuster series ahead.

 

[CricVet]

I didn’t think it was a fluke. He has silenced his critics - hanging in there early on, and grinding it out like Dravid. Most excellent.

Without him India were - what? 240 for 18?

He is Mr. Team India. Eventhough there were droped catches, calling his inning a fluke is injustice to his talent. He is undeniably the best batsman of Asia.

 

[big_gamer007]

We have lost this series.. Even if we win the next 4 tests it will still be a disappointing result for the entire series..

 

[Robert]

India can still win the series as the other tests will probably be played under sunny skies on dry outfields.

 

[cricketworm]

India can still win the series as the other tests will probably be played under sunny skies on dry outfields.

Conditions always come into play when Indians win eh? England didn't bat well under cloudy skies either.

Fyi: India lost by just 30 runs few hours ago.

 

[Usman Chadda]

India should find a way to beat England first, and think about the humiliation coming their way if they don’t.

Personally, I don’t see India winning the series although they might eek out a win somehow

 

[cricketworm]

India losing this wasn't humiliation. England clearly edged ahead of India thanks to that Drop catch and that Curran inning. You can say same when Kohli's catch was dropped in first inning. So, both teams deserve the results they have gotten.

 

[blackanhyellow]

The margin of victory was a lot greater than what the score card shows.

The number of dropped catches and missed chances was ridiculous going by England's own fielding standards.

However that being said, you have to remember how dominant India are in India. Yet they are competing extremely well in England too.

They might win a test or two here, but I would give no such chance to England in India.

 

[Rana]

At the moment, the only thing standing between India and a humiliation is Virat Kohli. The rest of the players don’t look like doing much in these conditions. England swung a red duke during a heatwave and it was enough to get through the defenses of 10 of their players. Kohli was dropped on 22 in the first innings otherwise England would have never won this Test In such a tense manner.

 

[Robert]

Conditions always come into play when Indians win eh? England didn't bat well under cloudy skies either.

Fyi: India lost by just 30 runs few hours ago.

It doesn't matter if it was by one run or an innings, a win is a win. India will have a better chance in the later tests because the current England side struggles when the ball doesn't swing.

 

[cricketworm]

It doesn't matter if it was by one run or an innings, a win is a win. India will have a better chance in the later tests because the current England side struggles when the ball doesn't swing.

Current England side isn't doing well when ball swings either. Lost 2 tests against Pakistan at home too.

So inept of England's team is not India's fault. It's still England home pitch. With Mo Ali and Adil Rashid, it can go either way. So, India winning test because of the better condition (only factor) is a poor excuse, not fair to hard work team put in.

 

[Slim]

The english summer was always supposed to be a humbling experience for the Indian fans. Believing in your hype turns you delusional and ignorant of the fact that the team is a one man show. Even in this match, it was Kohli between England and humiliating India because rest of the team is just not competent enough. The number one ranking is a joke of its own, i dont believe in it.

 

[Robert]

Current England side isn't doing well when ball swings either. Lost 2 tests against Pakistan at home too.

So inept of England's team is not India's fault. It's still England home pitch. With Mo Ali and Adil Rashid, it can go either way. So, India winning test because of the better condition (only factor) is a poor excuse, not fair to hard work team put in.

It’s strange - one praises India, and yet an Indian thinks one is slating India.

 

[Ab Fan]

It’s strange - one praises India, and yet an Indian thinks one is slating India.

These things have become quite norm in cricket forums.

You actually made a good point by stating that India has good chance of winning other tests because the conditions will be more drier and that is what India's strength has been.

However, surprisingly, the statement is interpreted as " India can win only in drier conditions and struggles when the ball swings."

 

[Stewie]

I guess something never changed.. on a different thread, someone compared away series results between Pakistan and India and I was astounded to find out India has won only 6 tests in England compared with Pakistan 12.

It’s never easy batting in England.. the ball swings and seams and the England bowlers who are taught textbook methods of conventional swing are experts at exploiting those conditions. They can make top batsmen hop around like a cat on a hot tin roof.. Kohli has really done something no other past indian batsman could do and I really wanted him to win this match. But as I said some thing remain the same..

I think this was probably their best chance to get a win. England won’t be so charitable with their catching and batting collapses now. They did it against Pakistan as well after losing the lords test.. they come back smarter and more disciplined. Indian batsmen on the other hand will go in a lot of doubt in their minds.

 

[CricVet]

England will only get better as they did against us. If Ind failed to compete at Lords, it will be climbing a cliff afterwards. Ind would need to go with 2 spinners which is their strength. Ind might wanna consider changing Umaish with their best leggie and drop Pandya for a proper bat.

 

[Stewie]

England will only get better as they did against us. If Ind failed to compete at Lords, it will be climbing a cliff afterwards. Ind would need to go with 2 spinners which is their strength. Ind might wanna consider changing Umaish with their best leggie and drop Pandya for a proper bat.

I think they should drop Pandya and play a leggie

 

[RainMan_]

Feeling really, really sad for kohli and Indian fast bowlers. They really played their hearts out. The way Indian tail enders supported kohli to reach near England's first innings score was phenomenal.

But Barring kohli all the other batters in current Indian lineup r simply pathetic. It seems as if they don't even have the hunger to score runs. Moreover, most of these useless batters usually stand in sleep area and consistently drops sitters.

India seriously need to rethink about their game plan. This same bunch of batters were the main reason why India couldn't win in southafrica even though all the bowlers along with kohli performed brilliantly even in that series.

 

[yasir]

As I said earlier, there is no danger of Indians drawing or winning full series


Today, what was excuse, there was sun out from ball one. Now they cannot handle strokes?? - Chasing 80 runs was not that much for mighty Indians, so called unquestionable no 1

 

[Stewie]

As I said earlier, there is no danger of Indians drawing or winning full series


Today, what was excuse, there was sun out from ball one. Now they cannot handle strokes?? - Chasing 80 runs was not that much for mighty Indians, so called unquestionable no 1

I wouldn’t have believed this before this test.. but they are certainly a very over rated batting team.. someone on cricinfo did their batting stats overseas sans Kohli and it’s much worse than pakistan’s. Kohli is the difference..

Bloated stats playing at home.. I think you take out Kohli and ashwin, and this team looks absurdly ordinary for a test number1.

 

[Slim]

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[yasir]

I wouldn’t have believed this before this test.. but they are certainly a very over rated batting team.. someone on cricinfo did their batting stats overseas sans Kohli and it’s much worse than pakistan’s. Kohli is the difference..

Bloated stats playing at home.. I think you take out Kohli and ashwin, and this team looks absurdly ordinary for a test number1.

Kohli is hiding their shambles batting lineup in last tour of SA as well. We saw that time and again in ODIs too, you take out two of top 3, India is done and dusted. This perception that Indian batting is so much better and well rounder than, not just us but rest of the world is a major fake newas. Because of 80% Cricket viewing market, there is bubble created by the stake holders to keep Indians fan base intact. Reality is far from it, its the same old Indian model, now Tendulkar is replaced by Kohli, other than him they are below average. Obviously they all want to milk off of Kohli

All this talk of team of era, going to dominate for years, is laughable...They have not won anything yet and talking like a world Champ and best touring side...If they actually won anything, we might have to close PP

 

[Bhaijaan]

Nobody on tbis forum has the guts, the vision the foresight of Bhaijaan eho saw it months ago that India would indeed be in position of thumping test wins. In the very first test had other Indian batsmen bar Kohli not dramatically choked India would have had a great test win to its name.

Butt no worries and dont celebrate too early. 4 tests are stil to go and Inxia is now comfortably the better test team of the two.

 

[venomousx]

Really happy to see England defeat India! I had prayed in the morning for England's victory and so glad it was answered

 

[PakLFC]

The only humiliation I see is India's overrated batting line up being exposed. in foreign conditions. I am enjoying see the likes of Dhawan and Pandya being told to "take a rest" by the English bowlers. Only thing I want to see is English bowlers being far more aggressive to Indian batsmen giving them some serious backchat! Have said it many times that India is a one man band in Kohli being asked to do everything. He and his partner probably do the cooking and laundry of their whole useless team as well England are not a great Test side either but good enough for India. Hope Sehwag and Rishi Kapoor were watching this one! India got owned in the one dayers and first test like their daddy! Congratulations to all like me who love seeing India lose!

 

[Hasan123]

India should just concentrate on winning the series before talking about humiliation.

 

[New Yorker]

The only humiliation I see is India's overrated batting line up being exposed. in foreign conditions. I am enjoying see the likes of Dhawan and Pandya being told to "take a rest" by the English bowlers. Only thing I want to see is English bowlers being far more aggressive to Indian batsmen giving them some serious backchat! Have said it many times that India is a one man band in Kohli being asked to do everything. He and his partner probably do the cooking and laundry of their whole useless team as well England are not a great Test side either but good enough for India. Hope Sehwag and Rishi Kapoor were watching this one! India got owned in the one dayers and first test like their daddy! Congratulations to all like me who love seeing India lose!

Loosing by 31 runs is "getting owned"? How old are you?

India with only one batsman firing gave England a huge fright. Imagine what can happen once one or two other players get used to the conditions? It is a long Test series. My bet is still on a draw, or a narrow England win.

 

[PakLFC]

Loosing by 31 runs is "getting owned"? How old are you?

India with only one batsman firing gave England a huge fright. Imagine what can happen once one or two other players get used to the conditions? It is a long Test series. My bet is still on a draw, or a narrow England win.

Any loss for India is "getting owned" for me .I am older then you that is all you need to know kid! England's batting can greatly improve as well in case it missed you.

 

[idrizzy]

Nobody on tbis forum has the guts, the vision the foresight of Bhaijaan eho saw it months ago that India would indeed be in position of thumping test wins. In the very first test had other Indian batsmen bar Kohli not dramatically choked India would have had a great test win to its name.

Butt no worries and dont celebrate too early. 4 tests are stil to go and Inxia is now comfortably the better test team of the two.

You're misinterpreting guts with delusions of grandeur.

 

[Hermoine Green]

Loosing by 31 runs is "getting owned"? How old are you?

India with only one batsman firing gave England a huge fright. Imagine what can happen once one or two other players get used to the conditions? It is a long Test series. My bet is still on a draw, or a narrow England win.

Chasing a huge total of 180+, it was indeed owned

 

[kuskash]

Indians di not know the difference between starting to win and humiliating opposition.