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Vikram1989 said:
I hope he has not scored his customary century in practice game
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How else do you explain a specialist batsman batting mostly in the top order average 33 after 58 Tests? Shame on the selectors who keep selecting this deadwood in our Test team.​
 
Hitman said:
How else do you explain a specialist batsman batting mostly in the top order average 33 after 58 Tests? Shame on the selectors who keep selecting this deadwood in our Test team.​
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Is KL Rahul going to open with Jaiswal? If so then that's a terrible idea as it's the hardest position to play in.
 
Hitman said:
How else do you explain a specialist batsman batting mostly in the top order average 33 after 58 Tests? Shame on the selectors who keep selecting this deadwood in our Test team.​
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I think kl will be hounded after rohit, kohli exits. There is no one else to share his bad form lime light.he will be under complete scrutiny.
 
Hitman said:
How else do you explain a specialist batsman batting mostly in the top order average 33 after 58 Tests? Shame on the selectors who keep selecting this deadwood in our Test team.​
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Kl Rahul is Indian version of Michael Atherton. He can make tough runs and score centuries on difficult tracks but just isn’t consistent enough.

I don’t mind him at the top because he can atleast make consistent 30s. Its a guarantee that he won’t have a horrid tour, will average above 30 for sure.
 
Btw, Kl Rahul has the same number of centuries in matches won in SENA as SRT, Dravid, Kohli, Younis, Pujara, Yousuf.
 
KL is not consistent that's why his Average is below 40 . He need to be consistent as he is most senior batsman in the Indian team now. :kp
jeeteshssaxena said:
Btw, Kl Rahul has the same number of centuries in matches won in SENA as SRT, Dravid, Kohli, Younis, Pujara, Yousuf.
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jeeteshssaxena said:
Btw, Kl Rahul has the same number of centuries in matches won in SENA as SRT, Dravid, Kohli, Younis, Pujara, Yousuf.
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No of centuries should not be a metric ever.in bgt Perth match, kohli capitalised flat track and openers solid base to score a century. It should be more of an impact metric like kl played in gabba to earn a draw. But his failure to step up when team requires him most is forever asterisk against him.He has to fix his inconsistency as our team is completely inexperienced and its an away tour
 
@Devadwal

Mashallah what amazing batting by jaiswal. Im very impressed.

Ever since ive watched him, he's been bang avg. Another classic case of Indian hype.
 
Vikram1989 said:
No of centuries should not be a metric ever.in bgt Perth match, kohli capitalised flat track and openers solid base to score a century. It should be more of an impact metric like kl played in gabba to earn a draw. But his failure to step up when team requires him most is forever asterisk against him.He has to fix his inconsistency as our team is completely inexperienced and its an away tour
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He may step up now that he is one of the most senior player. Sometimes this kind of pressure can bring the most out of a person.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Yeah second highest run scorer in BGT, highest from our side.
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He's a good batsmen but I dont see anything special in him and considering that he barely featured in odi and t20 It seems like bcci doesnt either.

Even if he was the 2nd highest scorer you cant actually claim he was the best. Scoring more runs in a series doesnt always equate to being better.

For example Travis Head and Steve Smith solo won the 2nd and 3rd test. Their innings sealed the deal.

The 4th test was a gone case for india but rained saved them otherwise it was a other brutal Steve smith bashing.

And yes While aus had superior bowling, india was simply one Travis head and one Steve smith wicket away from winning those tests. Labu somewhat contributed as well in the 4th one.

Meanwhile Jaiswal never gave off those vibes. He was simply a run scorer but he failed when india needed him the most. The day night test could have been won yet Jaiswal departed.

Infact indian posters started crying on this forumn claiming aussie empire cheated despite it being brutally obvious that jaiswal had gloved it.
 
mominsaigol said:
He's a good batsmen but I dont see anything special in him and considering that he barely featured in odi and t20 It seems like bcci doesnt either.

Even if he was the 2nd highest scorer you cant actually claim he was the best. Scoring more runs in a series doesnt always equate to being better.

For example Travis Head and Steve Smith solo won the 2nd and 3rd test. Their innings sealed the deal.

The 4th test was a gone case for india but rained saved them otherwise it was a other brutal Steve smith bashing.

And yes While aus had superior bowling, india was simply one Travis head and one Steve smith wicket away from winning those tests. Labu somewhat contributed as well in the 4th one.

Meanwhile Jaiswal never gave off those vibes. He was simply a run scorer but he failed when india needed him the most. The day night test could have been won yet Jaiswal departed.

Infact indian posters started crying on this forumn claiming aussie empire cheated despite it being brutally obvious that jaiswal had gloved it.
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mominsaigol said:
He's a good batsmen but I dont see anything special in him and considering that he barely featured in odi and t20 It seems like bcci doesnt either.

Even if he was the 2nd highest scorer you cant actually claim he was the best. Scoring more runs in a series doesnt always equate to being better.

For example Travis Head and Steve Smith solo won the 2nd and 3rd test. Their innings sealed the deal.

The 4th test was a gone case for india but rained saved them otherwise it was a other brutal Steve smith bashing.

And yes While aus had superior bowling, india was simply one Travis head and one Steve smith wicket away from winning those tests. Labu somewhat contributed as well in the 4th one.

Meanwhile Jaiswal never gave off those vibes. He was simply a run scorer but he failed when india needed him the most. The day night test could have been won yet Jaiswal departed.

Infact indian posters started crying on this forumn claiming aussie empire cheated despite it being brutally obvious that jaiswal had gloved it.
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It was his first tour to SENA country, he highscored from our side and won us the first match.

He was doing well in the second test too before he was run out, he might have not given you those vibes but still all his knocks were important. I wont call any of his runs soft.

This was a series where just two players averaged 40+, a rare series where even SCG had a spicy pitch, I think you are judging him a bit harshly. He is 23 years old and averages 52 in test cricket. Thats gold standard
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
It was his first tour to SENA country, he highscored from our side and won us the first match.

He was doing well in the second test too before he was run out, he might have not given you those vibes but still all his knocks were important. I wont call any of his runs soft.

This was a series where just two players averaged 40+, a rare series where even SCG had a spicy pitch, I think you are judging him a bit harshly. He is 23 years old and averages 52 in test cricket. Thats gold standard
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Fourth test not second, he scored 82 and was run out,, that innings was important and I don’t see how it can be called a non impact inning.

Infact in the second innings he scored 84 again and was the reason we were fighting for a draw until Pant had that brainfade.

He made 84 out of Indias 155, how are you even not impressed with that?
 
DeadlyVenom said:
He may step up now that he is one of the most senior player. Sometimes this kind of pressure can bring the most out of a person.
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"Sometimes this kind of pressure can bring the most out of a person." . I hope u r talking about kl 😀. even after ct final , I am not ready to trust that guy.he is babar, riz combo for india.This long away tourshould give us a final sense where he is heading .as he is already 33 and India have only nz series( away) next year to try out any new guys at home.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Fourth test not second, he scored 82 and was run out,, that innings was important and I don’t see how it can be called a non impact inning.

Infact in the second innings he scored 84 again and was the reason we were fighting for a draw until Pant had that brainfade.

He made 84 out of Indias 155, how are you even not impressed with that?
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Problem isnt that he's not a good batsmen. Problem is media hype( not just posters on PP and Indian media, But even Worldwide media channels from Aus, Pakistan, MZ, England etc etc)

Are viewing him as the next best thing to ever exist in world cricket and that he'll take the world by storm.

Infact people are viewing him > Kohli as apprantly everyone knew about jaiswal since he was 15 while no one knew about kohli until he scored that U19 final century in 2008.

However he is 23 years old and at his age Kohli and many others like Ponting, and heck even old left handers like saeed Anwar were better then him.

He's gun in indian conditons which explains the high avg but he hasnt been anything special or impactful anywhere else.

How much longer are you going to baby him and pretend that hes the next best thing?

He'll obviously have a more successful career then many batters like Brooks, Travis head etc etc but I think the only reason he's viewed as a future goat is because test batting talent has dried up.

A few years ago we had classy test batters in Sachin, Lara, chanderpaul, Ponting, Hayden, Gill, Dravid etc etc. You could form a top 30 list of goat batters.

In this era besides Steve Smith and Joe root, Who else is good? Kane Williamson is an avg test batter. Mostly a HTB. Hes bang avg in 4 countries. And hes ranked no 3 in the world. The rest like Brooks and head are honestly clowns if you compare them to the past era yet in this era their considered the ace unit of his team.

Even indian test batting team is not good. The likes of Gill, Pant etc aren't as good as their made out to be.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Fourth test not second, he scored 82 and was run out,, that innings was important and I don’t see how it can be called a non impact inning.

Infact in the second innings he scored 84 again and was the reason we were fighting for a draw until Pant had that brainfade.

He made 84 out of Indias 155, how are you even not impressed with that?
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Leave it bro.he wants to make a point thar jaiswal is nothing when compared to head ( there is thread head vs jaiswal) .as head is falling like headless pin showing his true colors now a days including ipl , there is nothing left to get back for now.
 
Vikram1989 said:
Leave it bro.he wants to make a point thar jaiswal is nothing when compared to head ( there is thread head vs jaiswal) .as head is falling like headless pin showing his true colors now a days including ipl , there is nothing left to get back for now.
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Clearly you have reading issues and are going blind and senile as you get older.
 
just a fan said:
Unc, it's u that's showing signs of ageing by resorting to personal attack like a grumpy old man. Do better!
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I resort to personal attacks towards only 2 posters vikram and devad as they resort to attacks and started it first.

I dish out what's served.
 
Root in his last 10 test games scored 960 runs at an avg of 61. That's more then anyone else in their last 10 test games with smith and jaiswal sitting at 45 and 40 avg respectively.

No excuse not to hit 14K test runs this year.

Has the perfect opportunity to surpass Ponting and Dravid. Avg × poor record in Australia is the only thing that's holding him back from downright leaving these 2 in the dust.

If he improves his conversion rate then he'll be in sachin and Steve Smith's tier.

Only reason root is not accepted as the goat or top 5 of all time is due to

1) Poor conversion rate from 50 to 100
2) Poor record in AU deapute being an English batsmen who has played more tests in Australia then any other touring nation.
3) AVG hovering barely over 50
 
mominsaigol said:
Problem isnt that he's not a good batsmen. Problem is media hype( not just posters on PP and Indian media, But even Worldwide media channels from Aus, Pakistan, MZ, England etc etc)

Are viewing him as the next best thing to ever exist in world cricket and that he'll take the world by storm.

Infact people are viewing him > Kohli as apprantly everyone knew about jaiswal since he was 15 while no one knew about kohli until he scored that U19 final century in 2008.

However he is 23 years old and at his age Kohli and many others like Ponting, and heck even old left handers like saeed Anwar were better then him.

He's gun in indian conditons which explains the high avg but he hasnt been anything special or impactful anywhere else.

How much longer are you going to baby him and pretend that hes the next best thing?

He'll obviously have a more successful career then many batters like Brooks, Travis head etc etc but I think the only reason he's viewed as a future goat is because test batting talent has dried up.

A few years ago we had classy test batters in Sachin, Lara, chanderpaul, Ponting, Hayden, Gill, Dravid etc etc. You could form a top 30 list of goat batters.

In this era besides Steve Smith and Joe root, Who else is good? Kane Williamson is an avg test batter. Mostly a HTB. Hes bang avg in 4 countries. And hes ranked no 3 in the world. The rest like Brooks and head are honestly clowns if you compare them to the past era yet in this era their considered the ace unit of his team.

Even indian test batting team is not good. The likes of Gill, Pant etc aren't as good as their made out to be.
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Not saying whether jaiswal is going to be goat or not

He is a good player is all we can say for no but all those stawlwarts you speak of scored heaving in flat pitch era

Can’t compare acrosss eras

They would have struggled vs high quality pacers now plus drs has been a game changer etc. we just don’t know

It’s all conjecture.
 
mominsaigol said:
Root in his last 10 test games scored 960 runs at an avg of 61. That's more then anyone else in their last 10 test games with smith and jaiswal sitting at 45 and 40 avg respectively.

No excuse not to hit 14K test runs this year.

Has the perfect opportunity to surpass Ponting and Dravid. Avg × poor record in Australia is the only thing that's holding him back from downright leaving these 2 in the dust.

If he improves his conversion rate then he'll be in sachin and Steve Smith's tier.

Only reason root is not accepted as the goat or top 5 of all time is due to

1) Poor conversion rate from 50 to 100
2) Poor record in AU deapute being an English batsmen who has played more tests in Australia then any other touring nation.
3) AVG hovering barely over 50
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Indians may be scared at the thought of root breaking Sachin record.

So I am sure management would have instructed bowlers to target roots wicket lmao

Who cares though? Breaking records is part of the game.
So pathetic. That’s the difference between Australian cricketers who care about winning and winning only. They don’t have time for personal milestones.

Desi and England cricketers only care for the latter.

That’s why Aus is the goat side and rest are all behind. India is well number 2 overall and we have West Indies SA pak after.
 
kron said:
Not saying whether jaiswal is going to be goat or not

He is a good player is all we can say for no but all those stawlwarts you speak of scored heaving in flat pitch era

Can’t compare acrosss eras

They would have struggled vs high quality pacers now plus drs has been a game changer etc. we just don’t know

It’s all conjecture.
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Bhai not every pitch was flat in the so called flat pitch era.

Australian and English conditions have been more or less the same, infact England have recently curating their pitches to either be more seam friendly or completly flat so they can carry forth their bazzball nonsense.

SENA was always fine, it was asia that was flat as a pancake and in recent times they switched to spinning tracks.
 
kron said:
Indians may be scared at the thought of root breaking Sachin record.

So I am sure management would have instructed bowlers to target roots wicket lmao

Who cares though? Breaking records is part of the game.
So pathetic. That’s the difference between Australian cricketers who care about winning and winning only. They don’t have time for personal milestones.

Desi and England cricketers only care for the latter.

That’s why Aus is the goat side and rest are all behind. India is well number 2 overall and we have West Indies SA pak after.
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Idc about no of runs scored. I didn't bring up sachin in that regard.

No of runs scored is no of matches dependant. Steve smith is > root in test cricket despite having 10K runs.

The reason root is 2 tiers below sachin and one tier below dravid and Ponting is due to

A) A poor record in Aus which is embrassing as an English batsmen. Ponting's 26 avg in india is forgivable as the genuine mantra is that sena batters are poor in asia with the likes of Steve smith being an outlier and not the norm.

B) A horrible conversion rate. Root having nearly double the 50's then the 100's he's scored clearly shows that he isnt able to convert 50 into 100's consistently.

C) Avg barely hovering over 50. Root is dangerously close to dropping below 50 as is. And typically in old age your avg goes down.

Smith decreased from 65 to 56, sachin from 61 to 53, Ponting from 61 to 51. Root is already 34, hence if his avg is hovering at 50,

Then by age 37 to 38, if he doesnt up it to 54 by then, he'll probs end his career with a below 50 avg.

However Root is in the best position to surpass everyone. All depends on how he performs in the 10 matches to come.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Never knew Stokes love India that much
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Interesting data, fitting a selective criteria.As we dig , it shows stokes got the numbers on the match count but not effectively(24 matches against aus and 22 against ind).His sr is worst in wi with 74, 66 in india and 57 in aus.Actually he did much better in sa than eng.Most of his wickets (93 cumulatively) are in eng.

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Vikram1989 said:
Interesting data, fitting a selective criteria.As we dig , it shows stokes got the numbers on the match count but not effectively(24 matches against aus and 22 against ind).His sr is worst in wi with 74, 66 in india and 57 in aus.Actually he did much better in sa than eng.Most of his wickets (93 cumulatively) are in eng.

stats.espncricinfo.com

Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

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Stokes is a more HTB than Jadeja is. Jadeja is the best all rounder since Kallis as far as Test cricket is concerned.
 
Ab Fan said:
Stokes is a more HTB than Jadeja is. Jadeja is the best all rounder since Kallis as far as Test cricket is concerned.
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By far, Stokes isn’t much of a bowler away from home too and apart from a couple of knocks hasn’t done anything with the bat too. Atleast Jadeja has an amazing record in Wi, Srl, Sa, Aus.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
By far, Stokes isn’t much of a bowler away from home too and apart from a couple of knocks hasn’t done anything with the bat too. Atleast Jadeja has an amazing record in Wi, Srl, Sa, Aus.
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Jadeja is Stuart Broad level bowler and Imran Khan level batsman. Remember Jadeja played on turners otherwise his batting average would have been same as Imran,i.e. 37-38 if you give him Pakistani pitches.
 
India should've won the first test had they not dropped a million catches.
4-1 England most likely now barring any rain affected draw
 
England add Gus Atkinson to squad for third Test against India

The England Men’s selection panel has added Surrey fast bowler Gus Atkinson to the squad for the Rothesay third Test match against India at Lord's, starting on Thursday.

England Men's Test Squad:

Ben Stokes (Durham) – Captain
Jofra Archer (Sussex)
Gus Atkinson (Surrey)
Shoaib Bashir (Somerset)
Jacob Bethell (Warwickshire)
Harry Brook (Yorkshire)
Brydon Carse (Durham)
Sam Cook (Essex)
Zak Crawley (Kent)
Ben Duckett (Nottinghamshire)
Jamie Overton (Surrey)
Ollie Pope (Surrey)
Joe Root (Yorkshire)
Jamie Smith (Surrey)
Josh Tongue (Nottinghamshire)
Chris Woakes (Warwickshire)


Rothesay Test Series Schedule:

1st Test: England v India, 20-24 June 2025, Headingley, Leeds – England won by 5 wickets
2nd Test: England v India, 2-6 July 2025, Edgbaston, Birmingham - India won by 336 runs
3rd Test: England v India, 10-14 July 2025, Lord’s, London
4th Test: England v India, 23-27 July 2025, Emirates Old Trafford, Manchester
5th Test: England v India, 31 July-4 August 2025, Kia Oval, London
 
kron said:
Potts
Wood
Carse
Bashir

That’s good
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Potts is another trundler

The dream line up would be
Atkinson
Archer
Wood
Carse

I just hope we get a similar Lords pitch to the WTC final where it suits seam bowlers and if a batter applies himself like Markram did you can score big
 
Devadwal said:
Talk nah :ssmith :kp
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I am always talking. You just do not listen. If anything you're the one who runs away.

A) Ran Away for 5 days hiding behind a job offer.

B) Said to talk nah yesterday and ran away when I replied.

C) Lied about me stating I went into hiding when I always exist.

It is impossible for an Indian to overcome me. Brown baked oven onion skin
 
mominsaigol said:
I am always talking. You just do not listen. If anything you're the one who runs away.

A) Ran Away for 5 days hiding behind a job offer.

B) Said to talk nah yesterday and ran away when I replied.

C) Lied about me stating I went into hiding when I always exist.

It is impossible for an Indian to overcome me. Brown baked oven onion skin
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If there is definition of delusional personal,it's fit on you perfectly 😜 :kp
 
Devadwal said:
If there is definition of delusional personal,it's fit on you perfectly 😜 :kp
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I am the most sane, mature and level headed individual that you have ever met in your life. It is not my fault you and most indians are delusional.

Delusional nutcases calling a professional delusional? Lol how Ironic.
 
mominsaigol said:
I am always talking. You just do not listen. If anything you're the one who runs away.

A) Ran Away for 5 days hiding behind a job offer.

B) Said to talk nah yesterday and ran away when I replied.

C) Lied about me stating I went into hiding when I always exist.

It is impossible for an Indian to overcome me. Brown baked oven onion skin
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One thing is for sure momin will always be there for every game lol no matter what.
 
kron said:
One thing is for sure momin will always be there for every game lol no matter what.
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Ofcourse, the day I am busy I ping everyone to inform them which is why I was absent Saturday.

I pinged before hand. My mentality to fight till the bitter end 💯
 
kron said:
One thing is for sure momin will always be there for every game lol no matter what.
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Ofcourse, the day I am busy I ping everyone to inform them which is why I was absent Saturday.

I pinged before hand. My mentality to fight till the bitter end 💯
 
neonoir said:
Potts is another trundler

The dream line up would be
Atkinson
Archer
Wood
Carse

I just hope we get a similar Lords pitch to the WTC final where it suits seam bowlers and if a batter applies himself like Markram did you can score big
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Archer hasn't had the greatest comeback in ODIs and been quite average for the last 2 years in that format.

Has played one first class game in 4 years and even before that, averaged 43 with the ball after a terrific Ashes debut.

Your dream lineup to torch India may not be the dream you think it is.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Archer hasn't had the greatest comeback in ODIs and been quite average for the last 2 years in that format.

Has played one first class game in 4 years and even before that, averaged 43 with the ball after a terrific Ashes debut.

Your dream lineup to torch India may not be the dream you think it is.
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Even in t20s its not great.have not abhishek taken hom to cleaners in Mumbai? He was a novelty during 2019 with his express pace not any more.
 
Vikram1989 said:
Even in t20s its not great.have not abhishek taken hom to cleaners in Mumbai? He was a novelty during 2019 with his express pace not any more.
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Yeah. Was getting smashed in the World T20 and also in this year's IPL.

Might just be a Lord's specific pick where his release points and the slope can make life difficult for batsmen . But let's see .
 
Devadwal said:
If there is definition of delusional personal,it's fit on you perfectly 😜 :kp
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It's about time you expanded your vocabulary. You keep looping around the same tired words like 'delusional,' 'fake', and 'propaganda'. Repeating the same hollow lines over and over without any substance is just plain boring now.
 
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Nikhil_cric said:
Archer hasn't had the greatest comeback in ODIs and been quite average for the last 2 years in that format.

Has played one first class game in 4 years and even before that, averaged 43 with the ball after a terrific Ashes debut.

Your dream lineup to torch India may not be the dream you think it is.
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We will wait and see but all the signals given by the England camp suggest he in it's a shame that we will never really see Archer and Wood play together.

Think they are on rotation for the Ashes as well

But Jof has history at Lords that spell he had in the 2019 Ashes was one for the ages, if he can reignite that form India are in trouble
 
India not only won the Edgbaston Test but also humiliated the delusional fans. :kp
 
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