India v Australia, 2nd Test 17/10/08 Mohali

[Savak]

Ok so Lee is not threatening in India even when he slows down to bowl line and length, he isnt threatening even when he is bowling a bit quicker, so whats his real deal then?

 

[Serendipity]

genuine fast pace bowling is dead

 

[Keith]

genuine fast pace bowling is dead

I think a certain dale steyn might disagree with you on that statement!!

 

[lollol]

genuine fast pace bowling is dead

Lee is a genuine express bowler imo...

And what about:
- dale steyn
- shane bond
- shaun tait

 

[Random Aussie]

not sure about 90's ....i think its either Steve waugh or Dravid ..!

It is Steve Waugh, unless Dravid has overtaken him recently.

Congratulations to Peter Siddle for his first Test wicket. Have a feeling he might take a few more, just quietly.

 

[Random Aussie]

Ok so Lee is not threatening in India even when he slows down to bowl line and length, he isnt threatening even when he is bowling a bit quicker, so whats his real deal then?

Psst he averages 30 with the ball. He is not that good.

Because of his speed and the timing of his career Lee is always comparable to Shoaib for you Savak but the fact is that Lee is not and has never been a bowler of that class.

Has had a brilliant 18 months where he averages about 22 per wicket but maybe that run of form has ended. We Aussie fans have spent the best part of a decade watching him bowl pies and celebrate when he dismisses no 11 batsman and the last 18 months scratching our heads wondering where this bowler has been for his career.

I am sure he is trying his heart out and bowling as fast as he can.

 

[Random Aussie]

Lee is a genuine express bowler imo...

And what about:
- dale steyn
- shane bond
- shaun tait

Steyn is not express he is mid 140's. If Steyn is express then so is Peter Siddle and Mitchell Johnson.

Bond no longer plays international cricket.

Tait maybe but probably will never play Test cricket again.

We all just wait for the new Pakistan one really.

 

[Savak]

Psst he averages 30 with the ball. He is not that good.

Because of his speed and the timing of his career Lee is always comparable to Shoaib for you Savak but the fact is that Lee is not and has never been a bowler of that class.

Has had a brilliant 18 months where he averages about 22 per wicket but maybe that run of form has ended. We Aussie fans have spent the best part of a decade watching him bowl pies and celebrate when he dismisses no 11 batsman and the last 18 months scratching our heads wondering where this bowler has been for his career.

I am sure he is trying his heart out and bowling as fast as he can.

That is some admission especially from an Australian fan. There is no doubt Lee is the fittest fast bowler in the world but Lee does hit 155 km/hr whenever he plays in the good supporting conditions but the moment he see's a flat pitch he just goes on the defensive. Its really unfortunate because a bowler like him does not deserve to be regarded as a one dimensional bowler.

 

[maamrut]

Steyn is not express he is mid 140's. If Steyn is express then so is Peter Siddle and Mitchell Johnson.

Bond no longer plays international cricket.

Tait maybe but probably will never play Test cricket again.

We all just wait for the new Pakistan one really.

Agreed Dale Steyn is nowhere near as quick as MJ..lol.He is the tailender-terrorizer.

 

[Big Harvey]

Psst he averages 30 with the ball. He is not that good.

Because of his speed and the timing of his career Lee is always comparable to Shoaib for you Savak but the fact is that Lee is not and has never been a bowler of that class.

Has had a brilliant 18 months where he averages about 22 per wicket but maybe that run of form has ended. We Aussie fans have spent the best part of a decade watching him bowl pies and celebrate when he dismisses no 11 batsman and the last 18 months scratching our heads wondering where this bowler has been for his career.

I am sure he is trying his heart out and bowling as fast as he can.

Yes, I agree. I was surprised when he hit that run of form, and up until then I'd always had him down as the world's most overrated bowler.

It's not that surprising to me to hear an Australian saying it, because I certainly don't get the impression that Lee is as highly rated in Australia as he seems to be elsewhere.

He's never been as dangerous as Shoaib or even Harmison, although to be fair, he's got a much better attitude than either of them, and I doubt you'll ever see Lee bowl the kind of rubbish that Harmison dishes up when he's away on tour and missing his mummy.

 

[Savak]

I find it really strange that Johnson has once again bowled much faster than Lee in this test match as well. He has been rewarded with 3 wickets as well.

 

[saj786]

I find it really strange that Johnson has once again bowled much faster than Lee in this test match as well. He has been rewarded with 3 wickets as well.

no surprise to me, i've said in the past johnson is consistantly quicker than lee now, in fact he's consistantly the quickest bowler around

 

[lollol]

Steyn is not express he is mid 140's. If Steyn is express then so is Peter Siddle and Mitchell Johnson.

Bond no longer plays international cricket.

Tait maybe but probably will never play Test cricket again.

We all just wait for the new Pakistan one really.

Steyn used to be 90mph+ bowler, maybe he is in a little dip

And btw, i do consider Johnson as a genuine quick bowler actually. He has the attitude of a quick bowler and bowls like one. And his action is one of the best ive seen in recent times. And not to forget, he bowled around or just below 90mph.

But he still is listed as lfm on cricinfo, whereas other bowlers like Sharma are listed as rf.. i think its only a matter of time, before he is considered a lf bowler

 

[bones20]

Steyn used to be 90mph+ bowler, maybe he is in a little dip

And btw, i do consider Johnson as a genuine quick bowler actually. He has the attitude of a quick bowler and bowls like one. And his action is one of the best ive seen in recent times. And not to forget, he bowled around or just below 90mph.

But he still is listed as lfm on cricinfo, whereas other bowlers like Sharma are listed as rf.. i think its only a matter of time, before he is considered a lf bowler

The problem with both Brett Lee and MJ is that they dont look feary. they look vanilla. For eg. even though Mcgrath was way slower than these two he had that a55hole look about him. As a fast bowler you should have that little cunningness. I am just comparing the newer generation of Aussie bowlers with the older one.

 

[sohailalam]

The problem with both Brett Lee and MJ is that they dont look feary. they look vanilla. For eg. even though Mcgrath was way slower than these two he had that a55hole look about him. As a fast bowler you should have that little cunningness. I am just comparing the newer generation of Aussie bowlers with the older one.

maybe they need to have their face altered to look like ******** lol

 

[bones20]

maybe they need to have their face altered to look like ******** lol

Or may be put Symonds, hayden masks on their faces

 

[Random Aussie]

The problem with both Brett Lee and MJ is that they dont look feary. they look vanilla. For eg. even though Mcgrath was way slower than these two he had that a55hole look about him. As a fast bowler you should have that little cunningness. I am just comparing the newer generation of Aussie bowlers with the older one.

Yaar they just don't look mean enough. And they don't look angry when they get hit for runs.

 

[bones20]

Yaar they just don't look mean enough. And they don't look angry when they get hit for runs.

MJ looks too sweet. When he gets hits for runs he thinks like a student rather than looking like an animal. When he gets wickets, he looks like a kid surprised by christmas presents rather than the sounding the cry of a victor. I would rate the body language of Indian bowlers more than MJ and mind you I am no fan of Indian pace bowlers.

He seems like a good company but not a hot blooded sportsman.

 

[Romali_rotti]

It's hard to say what type of wicket this is, till we see Aussies bat. I hope our captian is upto the task and score a few runs and take our total past 450...Also should Dhoni win this test match for us I think Kumble's stint as Captian is OVER!!!!!..I have a good feeling about this with Dhoni leading the side...

 

[bones20]

It's hard to say what type of wicket this is, till we see Aussies bat. I hope our captian is upto the task and score a few runs and take our total past 450...Also should Dhoni win this test match for us I think Kumble's stint as Captian is OVER!!!!!..I have a good feeling about this with Dhoni leading the side...

Yes, he is one lucky b******

 

[bones20]

Yaar they just don't look mean enough. And they don't look angry when they get hit for runs.

BTW, what do you make of the match now? India are slightly ahead so far but not irreversibly. Plus the pitch looks a beauty and I have a feeling that the Australians will enjoy batting on it more than the Indians did. Allan Border was mentioning that its like the MCG

 

[Random Aussie]

MJ looks too sweet. When he gets hits for runs he thinks like a student rather than looking like an animal. When he gets wickets, he looks like a kid surprised by christmas presents rather than the sounding the cry of a victor. I would rate the body language of Indian bowlers more than MJ and mind you I am no fan of Indian pace bowlers.

He seems like a good company but not a hot blooded sportsman.

Yep agree. But hopefully a snarl will come with increased confidence.

At the moment when the Aussie pacers get hit for four the mental sentence they give is "Oh ^%& I bowled a bad ball and got punished" whereas it should be "How dare you hit me for 4?"

McGrath got collared many times by batsman but I very rarely, if ever, saw him mentally concede to them.

 

[Random Aussie]

BTW, what do you make of the match now? India are slightly ahead so far but not irreversibly. Plus the pitch looks a beauty and I have a feeling that the Australians will enjoy batting on it more than the Indians did. Allan Border was mentioning that its like the MCG

Make about the same of it as you, India slightly ahead but need to make some serious runs with the lower order and tail and bowl well to capitalise on it.

 

[rahulrulezz]

whats up RA??? ... hows life... man, i hate cricket...freaking taking over ma life...i have exams in a week... i guess even u too must be eagerly waiting for next hour so we can see more cricket : .... btw, where do u live, Ozland or a student in N. America?

 

[Random Aussie]

whats up RA??? ... hows life... man, i hate cricket...freaking taking over ma life...i have exams in a week... i guess even u too must be eagerly waiting for next hour so we can see more cricket : .... btw, where do u live, Ozland or a student in N. America?

Hey RR, how are you? Can never hate cricket....

I am an OZ native, living in Melbourne town. Going well here, weather getting nice and cricket is on

 

[Savak]

Yep agree. But hopefully a snarl will come with increased confidence.

At the moment when the Aussie pacers get hit for four the mental sentence they give is "Oh ^%& I bowled a bad ball and got punished" whereas it should be "How dare you hit me for 4?"

McGrath got collared many times by batsman but I very rarely, if ever, saw him mentally concede to them.

I always knew this is what would happen to the Australian attack the moment Mcgrath and Warne retired. I knew the likes of Lee, Johnson, Tait e.t.c might have the ability to take wickets but they will also never be as economical as Mcgrath. A large part of the pressure Mcgrath used to put on the opposition batters was that he used to dry runs up and that resulted in wickets. At the moment Stuart Clarke is the only bowler in the Aussie line up who can be relied upon to keep the runs down. Warne was a huge loss to, its as if he was the last spinner in Australia.

 

[rahulrulezz]

Hey RR, how are you? Can never hate cricket....

I am an OZ native, living in Melbourne town. Going well here, weather getting nice and cricket is on

i hate cricket coz i love it too much... gotta go, have to study... see ya in an hour ... get ready for some battle of words mate

 

[rahulrulezz]

just before leaving, Savak, the girl in your avatar is hot man!!!

 

[OZGOD]

Geez I totally forgot this game had started. Looks like we're going to be chasing a big score.

Offtopic - EPIC win for the Red Sox last night! We're still alive!!

 

[Romali_rotti]

Yep agree. But hopefully a snarl will come with increased confidence.

At the moment when the Aussie pacers get hit for four the mental sentence they give is "Oh ^%& I bowled a bad ball and got punished" whereas it should be "How dare you hit me for 4?"

McGrath got collared many times by batsman but I very rarely, if ever, saw him mentally concede to them.

I have seen Mcgrath lose his composure in Kenya when Sachin was absolutely tearing him to bits, he had his head down and looked defeated....

Check the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVcpV_38JLc

At 0:45 that half volley driven for 4, I dont think I have ever seen a better looking shot from any batsmen....

 

[Random Aussie]

I have seen Mcgrath lose his composure in Kenya when Sachin was absolutely tearing him to bits, he had his head down and looked defeated....

Check the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVcpV_38JLc

At 0:45 that half volley driven for 4, I dont think I have ever seen a better looking shot from any batsmen....

Who was out to Glenn McGrath in the first over of a World Cup final?

Edit - I don't mean he never lost his composure Romali, he lost it a fair bit. I just mean he never mentally conceded to a batsman in the way some of the Aussie bowlers do at the moment.

 

[Random Aussie]

I always knew this is what would happen to the Australian attack the moment Mcgrath and Warne retired. I knew the likes of Lee, Johnson, Tait e.t.c might have the ability to take wickets but they will also never be as economical as Mcgrath. A large part of the pressure Mcgrath used to put on the opposition batters was that he used to dry runs up and that resulted in wickets. At the moment Stuart Clarke is the only bowler in the Aussie line up who can be relied upon to keep the runs down. Warne was a huge loss to, its as if he was the last spinner in Australia.

Since Warne & McGrath retired.

2 Test series, 2 Test series wins.

 

[india_fan]

Pathetic over rate by the Aussies. Indian batsmen and especially Ishant were denied 5 valuable overs for the day. Ishant was in desperate need of some batting practice (for him to be able to negate the bowling tomorrow morning), but the crook ponting is he asked his troopers to take their time while bowling each and every delivery. Moreover, Ganguly was made to wait while he was at the crease

I hate cheaters issed:

 

[bones20]

Pathetic over rate by the Aussies. Indian batsmen and especially Ishant were denied 5 valuable overs for the day. Ishant was in desperate need of some batting practice (for him to be able to negate the bowling tomorrow morning), but the crook ponting is he asked his troopers to take their time while bowling each and every delivery. Moreover, Ganguly was made to wait while he was at the crease

I hate cheaters issed:

Absolutely pathetic. Australians want to waste as much time as possible in the match to avoid defeat

 

[india_fan]

Absolutely pathetic. Australians want to waste as much time as possible in the match to avoid defeat

Oh, I forgot to mention that. Thanks mate

 

[TruSachFan]

Absolutely pathetic. Australians want to waste as much time as possible in the match to avoid defeat

Gangulys helping them too.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Who was out to Glenn McGrath in the first over of a World Cup final?

Edit - I don't mean he never lost his composure Romali, he lost it a fair bit. I just mean he never mentally conceded to a batsman in the way some of the Aussie bowlers do at the moment.

Maybe he didnt but I wouldnt be sure..

 

[Savak]

Since Warne & McGrath retired.

2 Test series, 2 Test series wins.

Its always difficult to beat Australia in Australia no matter which Australian side is playing but i think slowly and surely that front just might not be so invulnerable anymore. I think Australia might struggle outside Australia. Like Ricky Ponting said himself "The days of crushing victories are long finished now, now we will be grinding for victories".

 

[Random Aussie]

Its always difficult to beat Australia in Australia no matter which Australian side is playing but i think slowly and surely that front just might not be so invulnerable anymore. I think Australia might struggle outside Australia. Like Ricky Ponting said himself "The days of crushing victories are long finished now, now we will be grinding for victories".

Yeah I know what you are saying and there is no doubt the team is considerably weaker while it is rebuilding. But just wanted to point out that during this time, 2 series for 2 wins. I don't know if any of the other teams in the world have played their last 2 series for 2 wins, maybe one has at most.
We are seeing a weaker Aus team but I don't know that any other team is realy increasing in strength.

 

[Random Aussie]

Pathetic over rate by the Aussies. Indian batsmen and especially Ishant were denied 5 valuable overs for the day. Ishant was in desperate need of some batting practice (for him to be able to negate the bowling tomorrow morning), but the crook ponting is he asked his troopers to take their time while bowling each and every delivery. Moreover, Ganguly was made to wait while he was at the crease

I hate cheaters issed:

Meh it is your batsman that take too long to take strike

 

[TruSachFan]

Meh it is your batsman that take too long to take strike

Mate even with an extra 30 minutes, your bowlers were 5 over short

 

[Random Aussie]

Mate even with an extra 30 minutes, your bowlers were 5 over short

Mate our over rate is appalling.

But careful there because India's over rate has also been appalling.