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Best ODI bowlers arent trundlers

Steyn
Starc
Morkel
Anderson
Irfan
Junaid

all are anything but trundlers

In Australian conditions Trundlers are more effective, the reason why srilanka troubled Australia a lot in LOIs, more than any other team in Australia
 
Best ODI bowlers arent trundlers

Steyn
Starc
Morkel
Anderson
Irfan
Junaid

all are anything but trundlers
Junaid is a trundler. Irfan and Junaid aren't in the same quality as the others either.
 
Moeen is Englands test spinner isn't he? And I thought he had bowled well for the last 12 months or so at least?

(Genuine questions, I haven't followed him closely)

He did well vs England, then he became okayish nothing special but not a hack with a ball, he works hard.
 
I would have picked Murali Vijay over Rahane and Raydu

This is where we realise what a class batsman Rohit has been for India, always score bulk of the runs :sachin
 
Pathetic pitches for tests and now finally some decent pitches for odis. Hope it's like this during the world cup.

Pitches are similar. You need to know that test cricket is all about survival, you don't need to score at brisk pace. But LOIs force you to go for runs rather than playing defensively. Big difference.
 
Pitches are similar. You need to know that test cricket is all about survival, you don't need to score at brisk pace. But LOIs force you to go for runs rather than playing defensively. Big difference.

If you say so....
 
Moeen is Englands test spinner isn't he? And I thought he had bowled well for the last 12 months or so at least?

(Genuine questions, I haven't followed him closely)

He is for now, but Tredwell is on a higher pedestal purely as a spinner, IMO. He has bowled well but looked flat at times, especially in ODIs.
 
Pathetic pitches for tests and now finally some decent pitches for odis. Hope it's like this during the world cup.

Agree, i hope we get this kind of wickets for World cup, Game is more fun to watch this way
 
In Australian conditions Trundlers are more effective, the reason why srilanka troubled Australia a lot in LOIs, more than any other team in Australia

I think its bounce because Thisara Perera and Damika Prasad bowled well in the last tri series. They both put a lot of effort with the ball. You have to be a good trundler. SL bowlers usually do well with Kookaburra ball because they use it in domestic cricket. Maybe that ?
 
Lol one of the signs held by Indian supporters at the Gabba - Stuart Binny " thanks dad" is his dad a selector or something?


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Moeen is Englands test spinner isn't he? And I thought he had bowled well for the last 12 months or so at least?

(Genuine questions, I haven't followed him closely)

Junaid is a trundler. Irfan and Junaid aren't in the same quality as the others either.

Yeah right. Junaid averages 25 and bowls 140 ish consistently when he wants to. Irfan doesn't have the numbers but if you've seen him, you will know that he's quality.
 
Lol one of the signs held by Indian supporters at the Gabba - Stuart Binny " thanks dad" is his dad a selector or something?


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I don't think so. Maybe it's because his dad gave birth to him ? Or so I hope
 
How has Dhoni been so successful with such an awful technique?
 
Lol one of the signs held by Indian supporters at the Gabba - Stuart Binny " thanks dad" is his dad a selector or something?


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Yes Sir Roger Binny, but heard in the news and Gavaskar saying that when the team was selected, Roger was asked to leave the room :butt :asif :amir
 
Junaid is a trundler. Irfan and Junaid aren't in the same quality as the others either.

Junaid is a trundler? He is comfortably faster than Boult and southee by good 2-4kph bowls around 138-140kph average speed in ODIs In tests Junaid bowls around 133-135 average which is still decent and he has average of around 25 in ODIs

Irfan is a very decent ODI bowler who is atleast in top 6-8 ODI bowlers atm
 
I think its bounce because Thisara Perera and Damika Prasad bowled well in the last tri series. They both put a lot of effort with the ball. You have to be a good trundler. SL bowlers usually do well with Kookaburra ball because they use it in domestic cricket. Maybe that ?

I would say it is because the SL bowlers are disciplined and unlike most teams they don't come out here and waste their time bowling short balls to Aussie top order players.
 
Junaid is a trundler. Irfan and Junaid aren't in the same quality as the others either.

Junaid and Irfan are not trundler though bro, i have seen them bowl 145 kph+ Junaid's pace have dropped but Irfan is still fast :mj
 
I think its bounce because Thisara Perera and Damika Prasad bowled well in the last tri series. They both put a lot of effort with the ball. You have to be a good trundler. SL bowlers usually do well with Kookaburra ball because they use it in domestic cricket. Maybe that ?

Spot on most our trundler like Bhuvi use to float the ball in air, rather than hitting the deck hard,and hence don't enough purchase from the wicket. Hit-the-Deck tall trundler, are more effective. I am missing Ishant so much! still remember how he wrecked havoc in cb series 2008.
 
Junaid is a trundler? He is comfortably faster than Boult and southee by good 2-4kph bowls around 138-140kph average speed in ODIs In tests Junaid bowls around 133-135 average which is still decent and he has average of around 25 in ODIs

Irfan is a very decent ODI bowler who is atleast in top 6-8 ODI bowlers atm
Anything less than 140ks consistently is trundler territory. Southee is a trundler, a skillful one though. Boult is very capable of speeding it up, Junaid I've rarely seen clock more than 140 clicks.
 
Spot on most our trundler like Bhuvi use to float the ball in air, rather than hitting the deck hard,and hence don't enough purchase from the wicket. Hit-the-Deck tall trundler, are more effective. I am missing Ishant so much! still remember how he wrecked havoc in cb series 2008.

Ah the 2008 CB series again :)))
 
Broad looks like one of those Barbie dolls that had its hair ripped off by a 2 year old.
 
Spot on most our trundler like Bhuvi use to float the ball in air, rather than hitting the deck hard,and hence don't enough purchase from the wicket. Hit-the-Deck tall trundler, are more effective. I am missing Ishant so much! still remember how he wrecked havoc in cb series 2008.

India are saving Ishant for the World Cup, Dhoni is preserving Ishant like Mathews does to preserve Maaalinga. Ishant should bowl short spells like :mj X Factor
 
Junaid is a trundler? He is comfortably faster than Boult and southee by good 2-4kph bowls around 138-140kph average speed in ODIs In tests Junaid bowls around 133-135 average which is still decent and he has average of around 25 in ODIs

Irfan is a very decent ODI bowler who is atleast in top 6-8 ODI bowlers atm

Im sure Junaid bowl much faster than in Test.
 
That long on needs to come up. So many singles conceded down there. Attack the batsmen, Morgan.
 
Junaid and Irfan are not trundler though bro, i have seen them bowl 145 kph+ Junaid's pace have dropped but Irfan is still fast :mj
Irfan is quick, but JK is definitely no speedster like some make him out to be.
 
Anything less than 140ks consistently is trundler territory. Southee is a trundler, a skillful one though. Boult is very capable of speeding it up, Junaid I've rarely seen clock more than 140 clicks.

Junaid doesnt trundle in ODIs most of the times he is around and above 140 kph mark

Average speed varies from 138-140 kph depending upon conditios he is playing in. I think you havent watched Junaid bowl in SA series where he was consistently bowling 140+, and he is fairly faster than Boult
 
Spot on most our trundler like Bhuvi use to float the ball in air, rather than hitting the deck hard,and hence don't enough purchase from the wicket. Hit-the-Deck tall trundler, are more effective. I am missing Ishant so much! still remember how he wrecked havoc in cb series 2008.

There you go, We got T.Perer and Damikka for this WC. Lakmal is much more deadlier now. If Malinga is fit, its a bonus mostly he'll sit out. I think we gotta good chance. Chandimal and Thirimanne did well in that tri series aswell. See ya at Semis :akhtar
 
Junaid doesnt trundle in ODIs most of the times he is around and above 140 kph mark

Average speed varies from 138-140 kph depending upon conditios he is playing in. I think you havent watched Junaid bowl in SA series where he was consistently bowling 140+, and he is fairly faster than Boult

True. Calling him a trundler is idiotic.

Perhaps gets tips from Fawad.

Fawad doesn't average 50+.
 
There you go, We got T.Perer and Damikka for this WC. Lakmal is much more deadlier now. If Malinga is fit, its a bonus mostly he'll sit out. I think we gotta good chance. Chandimal and Thirimanne did well in that tri series aswell. See ya at Semis :akhtar

Don't have any high hopes. Its only Team like Australia who sruggle against your trundlers. Not we :yk
 
Junaid and Irfan both arent speedsters but are extremely capable of bowling 140+ consistently in ODIs
There are dozen of players capable of bowling at that pace, but they don't because they don't want to lose control e.g. Boult in some spells in Tests can go up to 140-142ks once he's in rhythm. I'd still call him a trundler as he doesn't do it consistently.
 
There are dozen of players capable of bowling at that pace, but they don't because they don't want to lose control e.g. Boult in some spells in Tests can go up to 140-142ks once he's in rhythm. I'd still call him a trundler as he doesn't do it consistently.

They are capable and do bowl at those speeds
 
Dhoni needs to bat up the order, being the most experienced and reliable batsman in Team India.

1. Dhawan
2. Sharma
3. Kohli
4. MSD
5. Raina
6. Rayudu
7. Binny
8. Patel
9. Bhuvi
10. Umesh
11. Ishant
 
Junaid bowls in 130s. He isn't quick by any stretch but he is a good bowler.
 
:moali :bhai bow: only conceded 14 runs in his seventh over against the best players of spin bowling :bow:
 
1 match in a dozen make you a quick bowler, especially when the other 11 are at 130-138 range.

These are full series Junaid played 8 matches in SA was consistently around 140kph and broke 90mph barrier few times

India and WI series comprise of 8 matches

These are lots of examples, Junaid does bowl around 140kph in ODIs and is far from a trundler. In tests he is around 133-135 kph on average and I know this by seeing Junaid through out his career.
 
Advantage with binny is that, he plays for karnataka , and they play mostly on greentops (which can even turn vinay kumar into steyn). He stlll avrages 30 in ranji, despite playing in these green tops. So he can be effective with bat in these conditions.
 
These are full series Junaid played 8 matches in SA was consistently around 140kph and broke 90mph barrier few times

India and WI series comprise of 8 matches

These are lots of examples, Junaid does bowl around 140kph in ODIs and is far from a trundler. In tests he is around 133-135 kph on average and I know this by seeing Junaid through out his career.
Once again, bowling the odd ball at barely 140 clicks doesn't make you quick! Standards haven't fallen by that much have they?....
 
Once again, bowling the odd ball at barely 140 clicks doesn't make you quick! Standards haven't fallen by that much have they?....

In 'that' series again India he did bowled at early 140's. Mostly a 135-143ks bowler.
 
1 match in a dozen make you a quick bowler, especially when the other 11 are at 130-138 range.

Aman at it again.

He was bowling over 140 for quite sometime with top speeds reaching 147-148.

The India series, The CT, then in SA and also vs Lanka in the U.A.E and in WI. Consistently over 140.

That is more than a single match.
 
Another Example: http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-pakistan-2012/engine/match/589308.html?view=hawkeye
Junaid Average speed 86.4 mph Fastest 89.5 mph

Yet another Example: http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-champions-trophy-2013/engine/match/578618.html?view=hawkeye
Average 87 mph Fastest 91.3 mph

YEt another Example: http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-pakistan-2013/engine/match/567369.html?view=hawkeye
Average 87.3 mph Fastest 90.3 mph

and there are many others, yes he is not a speedster but anything but a trundler
 
Once again, bowling the odd ball at barely 140 clicks doesn't make you quick! Standards haven't fallen by that much have they?....

Any bowler in 138-140 average pace isnt a trundler in my book
 
Not against England, atleast not in England in LOIs. But these bouncy pitches are our nemesis

Im sorry that I accused Indian of playing bad vs every team outside of South Asia. I admit that India plays well vs England in England in LoI.
 
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