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India vs South Africa | 3rd Test | Johannesburg | Jan 24-28, 2018 | Day 2 | Discussion Thread

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South Africa Playing XI: Dean Elgar, Aiden Markram, Hashim Amla, AB de Villiers, Faf du Plessis (c), Quinton de Kock (wk), Vernon Philander, Andile Phehlukwayo, Kagiso Rabada, Morne Morkel, Lungisani Ngidi

India Playing X1: Murali Vijay, Lokesh Rahul, Cheteshwar Pujara, Virat Kohli (c), Ajinkya Rahane, Parthiv Patel (wk), Hardik Pandya, Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Mohammed Shami, Ishant Sharma, Jasprit Bumrah

Score at stumps Day 1:

India First Innings- 187 (C Pujara 50, V Kohli 54, B Kumar 30, K Rabada 3/39)

South Africa First Innings - 6/1 in 6 Overs (B Kumar 1/3)
 
Bhuvan again proving what a dumb decision ut was to keep him out of second test.

Ishant "unlucky" as usual
 
I feel 187 is par score on this pitch. There is more than enough for the bowlers to dismiss any team under 200 on this surface.
 
2nd Test would have been lot closer with Bhuvi in the side.
 
Oligochaetes said:
Bhuvan again proving what a dumb decision ut was to keep him out of second test.

Ishant "unlucky" as usual
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Agreed. Even if Centurian pitch wasn’t this helpful, Bhuvi could have extracted more from the surface than shami,bumrah or ishant.
 
Is there any other bowler apart from Anderson who can swing both ways with this control like Bhuvi?
 
Playing only 6 batsmen was always going to be a disaster.

Unplayable pitch, this should be rated poorly by ICC.
 
SA batting looks average, don't expect anything apart from AB against Strac, Cummins and Hazzlewood.

Expecting Australia to win the series.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Huh? But why? These pitches make test cricket watchable. Not the highways of Adelaide, Abu Dhabi etc.
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The first test was ideal.

Fast bowlers are bowling offbreaks and leg breaks :)). I am not in favour of creating unplayable pitches
 
This Test Match has Barbados 1997 written all over it .

Assuming India takes a lead of 50 in 1st Innings and gets bowled out for 80-90 in 2nd Innings,

Chasing 120-130 will be a nightmare here.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Huh? But why? These pitches make test cricket watchable. Not the highways of Adelaide, Abu Dhabi etc.
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Not really. These are as bad or worse than rank turners. On rank turners you could excuse the opposition teams inability to play spin. Here even home team batsmen are getting murdered. This is not a even contest of bat and ball.
 
Shami is useless this tour. He looked very rusty, or he is carrying injury. Wasting new ball
 
Why we keep picking this home track bully shami I do not understand, every game he has looked lost in first innings.
 
Shami looks disinterested in this series from start. Kohli needs to talk to him. He can't just jog in and bowl without thinking.
 
People are making mountain out of molehill of the pitch. Lookin at Rabada and AMla, it looks like Saffers will secure a good enough lead in the first innings. It's the weak Indian batting which made the pitch look worse that it actually is.

of course India have picked just one bowler in this game (Bhuvan). The other 4 arm-rotators are just good enough for net practice.
 
Forget AB, first work on Amla( he will get going if he gets into 30-40 zone and become hard to stop) and Rabada.
 
Bumrah got pace

Prolly second faster bowler in the match and thats saying something here
 
these runs made by nightwatchman or tailender- especially when they are playing proper shots - are among the most annoying and frustrating feelings ever!!!
 
Umpire's call. Amla gets a life. That was a pathetic pathetic across the line stroke. Tail enderesque. Lucky him.
 
soso_killer said:
Rabada has faced 75 deliviries on this "minefield".
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To be honest he is looking like a genuine batsman out there. Do you think he has the ability to contribute more with the bat? Like average in mid 20s or something.
 
I think Pak fans need to start acknowledging quality of Bhuvi Kumar now.

He is averaging 26 after 20+ Test matches so there is enough of a sample
 
Madplayer said:
Umpire's call. Amla gets a life. That was a pathetic pathetic across the line stroke. Tail enderesque. Lucky him.
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as I said.

He is a has-been

only 2 reasons he is still in the team now

1) Previous reputation
2) Quota rule
 
Slog said:
as I said.

He is a has-been

only 2 reasons he is still in the team now

1) Previous reputation
2) Quota rule
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It truly looks like that now. He is very uneasy at the crease.
 
Bhuv should bowl an inswing to get rid of Amla. He is shuffling across too much.
 
SOlid batting from Rabada. he has seen off the tougher phase of the innings. All he needs to do is be careful against Bhuvan. The others he can swat around
 
Madplayer said:
It truly looks like that now. He is very uneasy at the crease.
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its looked to me like that for 2 years now

Last time he did great against good quality opposition was against England in the home series in 2015-16.

Since past 18-20 months he has done well either against inferior opposition or in dead rubbers.

Since August 2014 he has had only ONE series where he averaged 50+ if you exclude Bangladesh. So 3.5+ years which is a long time period

And more importantly he looks past it. Struggling at times. His average has dripped below 50 as well which seemed unthinkable a couple years ago
 
Madplayer said:
To be honest he is looking like a genuine batsman out there. Do you think he has the ability to contribute more with the bat? Like average in mid 20s or something.
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No, his batting should stagnate like Philander when he decided to concentrate more on his batting.
 
dhonixi said:
Shami is useless this tour. He looked very rusty, or he is carrying injury. Wasting new ball
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lol he got old ball idk how he wasted yes he bowled poor but conditions has got little easier now. It was first hour survival for SA.
 
soso_killer said:
What a rubbish post. He has looked pretty good out there.
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his record in last 3.5 years is pretty more

only 2 series where he averaged 50+ (England and Bangladesh at home)

And majority of his big innings after the England home series have come in dead rubbers. (even in the england home series, the double century came in the dead rubber)

That statistics show that he is on decline

To me he doesnt look in control either like the old days

PS: Ofcourse he is still a good batsmen in overall context. But not comparable at all to previous Amla. If he didnt have the old reputation his place would be under threat
 
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Madplayer said:
Bhuv should bowl an inswing to get rid of Amla. He is shuffling across too much.
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He's doing it on purpose to take the LBW out of the equation. He is trusting his hand-eye coordination. There is no way one can bat on this wicket as if it's a normal flat track. Hall mark of a great player adapting to the conditions.

Nobody moaned when Kohli looked ugly.
 
soso_killer said:
He's doing it on purpose to take the LBW out of the equation. He is trusting his hand-eye coordination. There is no way one can bat on this wicket as if it's a normal flat track. Hall mark of a great player adapting to the conditions.

Nobody moaned when Kohli looked ugly.
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Lets see . In last over bhuv bowled one straight delivery at him after a barrage of out swingers and it almost snuck through.
 
Slog said:
his record in last 3.5 years is pretty more

only 2 series where he averaged 50+ (England and Bangladesh at home)

And majority of his big innings after the England home series have come in dead rubbers. (even in the england home series, the double century came in the dead rubber)

That statistics show that he is on decline

To me he doesnt look in control either like the old days

PS: Ofcourse he is still a good batsmen in overall context. But not comparable at all to previous Amla. If he didnt have the old reputation his place would be under threat
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The double century in Cape Town was a dead rubber? What load of rubbish, won't bother with the rest of the post really. I wonder what he averaged in England last year on green decks.
 
soso_killer said:
The double century in Cape Town was a dead rubber? What load of rubbish, won't bother with the rest of the post really. I wonder what he averaged in England last year on green decks.
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The Centurion test where he almost scored a century in both innings (100+ in first and 96 in 2nd) which you guys won.

Point stands and you know it.
 
I don't trust AB on these type of wickets. His casual approach won't work. You need to play percentage cricket like Amla. You can't drive each and every delivery. The wicket of Faf and Amla will be more crucial than AB who will offer chances. Amla hasn't given away anything, and looks like a million dollars out there. The old Amla would kick on and get a hundred.
Philander will probably frustrate if he last 10 balls or so. Oh, and no run outs.
 
Slog said:
The Centurion test where he almost scored a century in both innings (100+ in first and 96 in 2nd) which you guys won.

Point stands and you know it.
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No, the point doesn't stand. He scored a double in Cape Town not Centurion. You don't know what you are talking about, and now you want to change goal posts? I don't think so.
 
soso_killer said:
No, the point doesn't stand. He scored a double in Cape Town not Centurion. You don't know what you are talking about, and now you want to change goal posts? I don't think so.
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you are free to keep your head in the sand

In any case I said that the England home series was one where he performed. One of the tests he performed was a dead rubber

In past 3.5 years(since Aug 2014) he has averaged 50+ in only 2 series where one was against Bangladesh at home and the other against England at home where significant runs also came in a dead rubber

This is factual. Statistics are being quoted not opinons

But you can keep your head in the sand

PS: You need to learn what the term 'shifting goal posts' means. Clearly dont understand
 
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At Lunch... its even stevens.. though Amla just wants me to tip Saffers as the favorite... Wadda Playa!
 
Slog said:
you are free to keep your head in the sand

In any case I said that the England home series was one where he performed. One of the tests he performed was a dead rubber

In past 3.5 years(since Aug 2014) he has averaged 50+ in only 2 series where one was against Bangladesh at home and the other against England at home where significant runs also came in a dead rubber

This is factual. Statistics are being quoted not opinons

But you can keep your head in the sand

PS: You need to learn what the term 'shifting goal posts' means. Clearly dont understand
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He averages 32 since Australia 2016 series( minus Bangladesh)

He is out of form for sure but would love a comeback from him
 
shah_1 said:
He averages 32 since Australia 2016 series( minus Bangladesh)

He is out of form for sure but would love a comeback from him
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since summer-end 2014 his away average is 26
 
Slog said:
you are free to keep your head in the sand

In any case I said that the England home series was one where he performed. One of the tests he performed was a dead rubber

In past 3.5 years(since Aug 2014) he has averaged 50+ in only 2 series where one was against Bangladesh at home and the other against England at home where significant runs also came in a dead rubber

This is factual. Statistics are being quoted not opinons

But you can keep your head in the sand

PS: You need to learn what the term 'shifting goal posts' means. Clearly dont understand
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Since January 2016 Amla is our leading run scorer, and has the highest average of 46.
Last year (2017) he was second only to Elgar averaged 40 (I've excluded Zimbabwe and Bangladesh). Again in the top two in terms of runs and average.

Is Amla the same player he was prior to 2015? No, obviously not.
But he is still our best player, comfortably too. Why would South Africa be stupid enough to remove their best player? Why would we do such nonsense?
If Amla is a "quota", what does that make Faf and QdK?

But hey I'll go and "bury" my head in the sand with facts. I'll leave the thread to be spouted and littered with nonsense. After all facts and narratives don't mix well together.
 
Ab Fan said:
Kagiso Rabada looked more assured than Amla.
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Bhuvi looked more assured than Kohli, point is? In fact Rabada looked more assured than any of the Indian bats.
Amla has offered nothing, looks comfortable out there, scoring at 60+.
 
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