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India vs South Africa | 3rd Test | Nagpur | Nov 25-29, 2015 | Match Thread

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Would like to see how Smith, Kane and Root fare on these wickets. A 30 here is worth 100 on roads. This is not a bunsen burner by Indian standards though - I distinctly remember some tougher wickets during the English and Aussie tours to India.

One thing. Batsmen who do well under these conditions can probably bat well on minefields. But if you get used to playing on such wickets, you may not be able to make tall scores when the conditions are easier. Because you lose the temperament to build big knocks. Indian batsmen will never become daddy hundred makers if they are constant fed on a diet of turners - when India go abroad and get nice and true wickets, the batsmen won't have the patience or temperament to make full use of the conditions.
 
Buffet said:
Poor from Amla here. If giving runs is an issue then a bowler shouldn't be playing in this test.

Not giving regular bowler overs is ridiculous on rank turner.
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Pacers can't always get wickets on rank turners. Bowling Harmer, Duminy, Elgar and Tahir would do the trick. Instead he's wasting with Morkel and Rabada who are bowling off cutters.

As I typed that, Duminy takes a wicket.
 
street cricketer said:
Pacers can't always get wickets on rank turners. Bowling Harmer, Duminy, Elgar and Tahir would do the trick. Instead he's wasting with Morkel and Rabada who are bowling off cutters.

As I typed that, Duminy takes a wicket.
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I will simply use spinners here. If not there then where the hell you are going to use them.
 
Buffet said:
Point is still valid here. Bowl spin from both ends. It's so much easier to play pacers here when compared to spin.
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Yep. Elgar should be used from the other end now.

(knowing Kohli's weakness against outside offstump balls, might even see Morne being brought back into the attack)
 
descent crowd considering distance from the city,
not able to go there due to exams
i am sure if it was the old stadium then we will see better crowd
 
Legbreak said:
[MENTION=97523]Buffet[/MENTION]
Any chance of steyn missing the Delhi test as well?
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He was only waiting here to see if the series is still alive. Otherwise no point in playing him with not being fully fit.
 
On these surface SA no match for India .

But I think india would have fared better on green pitches.
 
IndianWillow said:
Would like to see how Smith, Kane and Root fare on these wickets. A 30 here is worth 100 on roads. This is not a bunsen burner by Indian standards though - I distinctly remember some tougher wickets during the English and Aussie tours to India.

One thing. Batsmen who do well under these conditions can probably bat well on minefields. But if you get used to playing on such wickets, you may not be able to make tall scores when the conditions are easier. Because you lose the temperament to build big knocks. Indian batsmen will never become daddy hundred makers if they are constant fed on a diet of turners - when India go abroad and get nice and true wickets, the batsmen won't have the patience or temperament to make full use of the conditions.
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This is a problem with the batsmen coming through from the domestic structure in Pakistan too , grays ball and green pitches allow ordinary seamers to have good stats , while the batsmen just don't know how to build an innings .
 
So Amla will get sole leg spinner to bowl here when match is totally gone. Lead is already 200+ here.
 
btw the pitch is getting serious criticism from some past and present cricketers in the media , i don't see the point though both teams have to bat on it and the toss is always a 50/50 situation , not like the home side will always win the toss , but people lying bishen bedi , maxwell , hayden , petersen are laying into the the pitch condition.
 
I think India can win this one even if the first innings total of 215 was discounted. 76/2 in response to 79 all out .
 
ethan hunt said:
btw the pitch is getting serious criticism from some past and present cricketers in the media , i don't see the point though both teams have to bat on it and the toss is always a 50/50 situation , not like the home side will always win the toss , but people lying bishen bedi , maxwell , hayden , petersen are laying into the the pitch condition.
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Pitch is no way as difficult as low scores we are seeing here. We have batted poorly in entire series. Last test was a true pitch and still we got a low score. Pitch is one thing, but you got to bat reasonably well. Disgusted with the batting performance in this series to be honest.
 
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Buffet said:
Pitch is no way as difficult as low scores we are seeing here. We have batted poorly in entire series. Last test was a true pitch and still we got a low score. Pitch is one thing, but you got to bat reasonably well. Disgusted with the batting performance in this series to be honest.
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You should be happy that Faf finally scored in double digits in this series. :)
 
Saffers have been absolutely demolished, so where are all those Pakistani fans who were saying SA is the best non Asian side to compete in subcontinent?

Even Bangladesh would've fared better than these jokers, couldn't even score 100 what a shame, looked woeful like tailenders on crease, couldn't even survive a single over.

Just further exposes the truth about Proteas and the rankings system, they don't deserve to be No.1 provided their pathetic display for the last two years. Got beaten by Australia at home and now this shambolic performance in India where they're supposed to be better competitors because of being used to conditions in IPL.

Hard to determine who is currently the best Test side in the world at the moment irrespective of rankings as most teams are thrashed away from home. Lets hope India makes it 3-0 (should have been 4-0) and climb up the table!
 
Passionate Observer said:
Saffers have been absolutely demolished, so where are all those Pakistani fans who were saying SA is the best non Asian side to compete in subcontinent?

Even Bangladesh would've fared better than these jokers, couldn't even score 100 what a shame, looked woeful like tailenders on crease, couldn't even survive a single over.

Just further exposes the truth about Proteas and the rankings system, they don't deserve to be No.1 provided their pathetic display for the last two years. Got beaten by Australia at home and now this shambolic performance in India where they're supposed to be better competitors because of being used to conditions in IPL.

Hard to determine who is currently the best Test side in the world at the moment irrespective of rankings as most teams are thrashed away from home. Lets hope India makes it 3-0 (should have been 4-0) and climb up the table!
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Loss of Kallis and Smith in succession is not a blow any team can afford to take. SA will go down from here before stabilizing and making their way up again. Australia were repeatedly getting bowled out for sub 100 scores after their legends retired in late 2000s, but they seem to have fully recovered now.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
He didn't deserve the hype he got. He was supposed to be the next dravid.
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He was even hyped as a superior version of Dravid because he had that extra gear that Dravid did not have. Pujara could apparently go into a frenzy once he was settled at the crease. But we learnt the lesson not to judge any players based on their first two or three years.
 
Passionate Observer said:
Saffers have been absolutely demolished, so where are all those Pakistani fans who were saying SA is the best non Asian side to compete in subcontinent?

Even Bangladesh would've fared better than these jokers, couldn't even score 100 what a shame, looked woeful like tailenders on crease, couldn't even survive a single over.

Just further exposes the truth about Proteas and the rankings system, they don't deserve to be No.1 provided their pathetic display for the last two years. Got beaten by Australia at home and now this shambolic performance in India where they're supposed to be better competitors because of being used to conditions in IPL.

Hard to determine who is currently the best Test side in the world at the moment irrespective of rankings as most teams are thrashed away from home. Lets hope India makes it 3-0 (should have been 4-0) and climb up the table!
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Who else would compete better in the sub-continent? Don't say Pakistan/India/Lanka/Bangladesh - I'm referring to non-Asian teams.

England? They did win on these pitches a couple of years ago, admittedly with vastly different personnel.

I would vote for New Zealand. Their style of play might just work.
 
Is Ashwin better than Kumble on these wickets , would have loved to see Kumble vs this lineup but i am not sure he would do any better than ashwin but than again even jadeja is unplayable .
 
Passionate Observer said:
Saffers have been absolutely demolished, so where are all those Pakistani fans who were saying SA is the best non Asian side to compete in subcontinent?

Even Bangladesh would've fared better than these jokers, couldn't even score 100 what a shame, looked woeful like tailenders on crease, couldn't even survive a single over.

Just further exposes the truth about Proteas and the rankings system, they don't deserve to be No.1 provided their pathetic display for the last two years. Got beaten by Australia at home and now this shambolic performance in India where they're supposed to be better competitors because of being used to conditions in IPL.

Hard to determine who is currently the best Test side in the world at the moment irrespective of rankings as most teams are thrashed away from home. Lets hope India makes it 3-0 (should have been 4-0) and climb up the table!
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Comparing conditions of IPL with International Test?? Shabashay.
 
cricket.mad said:
What about that 50 all outs that SA dishes out to the visiting teams every now and then dude?
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Those were actually good wickets where 100's were actually scored.
Who has scored a hundred this tour? Even India have struggled against spinners who wouldn't even make a Ranji side.
If guys who grew up on tuners are struggling playing mediocre spinners, what chance do SA bats have against quality spinners?
Two of those three 50 all outs were against non asian sides who are used to pace and bounce with an attack to exploit conditions. I doubt India would create similar pitches against a side like Pakistan, which sums it up.
 
Varun said:
Who else would compete better in the sub-continent? Don't say Pakistan/India/Lanka/Bangladesh - I'm referring to non-Asian teams.

England? They did win on these pitches a couple of years ago, admittedly with vastly different personnel.

I would vote for New Zealand. Their style of play might just work.
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England has the best chance of toppling India at home with their spin attack (Moeen and Rashid are more than handy to trouble Indian Batsmen) and their quality Batting lineup with the likes of Cook and Root who thrive in these sort of conditions. Their competitive display at UAE especially in the batting department makes them ahead of other non-Asian Test sides.
 
#GreenRoars said:
Comparing conditions of IPL with International Test?? Shabashay.
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Same sort of surfaces conductive to spin bowling, all Saffers spend atleast 2 months in India each year in IPL which is a perfect platform to get used to conditions in diverse parts of India. Its mind boggling how easily they chickened out, will definitely give BD and Zim a run for their money, horrendous display.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
He didn't deserve the hype he got. He was supposed to be the next dravid.
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That South African tour had us all fooled. It was supposed to be the hardest overseas Test, and when Pujara succeeded there, Indians were overjoyed. Reality hit us hard eventually though.
 
IndianWillow said:
Loss of Kallis and Smith in succession is not a blow any team can afford to take. SA will go down from here before stabilizing and making their way up again. Australia were repeatedly getting bowled out for sub 100 scores after their legends retired in late 2000s, but they seem to have fully recovered now.
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How can you feel that retirement of an atrocious player with a horrible technique has any effect on this current SA team? He was a liability in his last few years of international cricket. Yes it'll be hard to fill the hole Kallis has left behind in the middle order but Smith? Seriously?

This SA Test side as well as ODI side has been carried by AB on his shoulders for eons, the moment he fails with the bat lead to the disaster that has unfolded today. You can't rely on 1 or 2 players in the batting line up come what may, there is no talent beside AB and Amla in this current side, the rest of the players in batting line up won't even make it to Zimbabwe team, thats how mediocre and clueless they are.

I wonder why Pakistani fans support and defend this mediocre side with everything they've got, does it remind them of their own national team? It doesn't make sense!
 
Passionate Observer said:
Same sort of surfaces conductive to spin bowling, all Saffers spend atleast 2 months in India each year in IPL which is a perfect platform to get used to conditions in diverse parts of India. Its mind boggling how easily they chickened out, will definitely give BD and Zim a run for their money, horrendous display.
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And any golden words for Indian batsmen? Who can't even put a good batting display on their home soil against not so much strong attack rooooooooraaa ???
 
leatherface58 said:
It's tough but it's all in the mind. Folks are hitting as if they need 20 off the last over.
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Poor players will always use the excuse to get out.

Need to be wary of it.

Lead of 250 odd isn't ground breaking. Sure Saffers are mentally shot but if they get on their senses, it could get close.

rather have 350 lead and close the game.
 
Passionate Observer said:
How can you feel that retirement of an atrocious player with a horrible technique has any effect on this current SA team? He was a liability in his last few years of international cricket. Yes it'll be hard to fill the hole Kallis has left behind in the middle order but Smith? Seriously?

This SA Test side as well as ODI side has been carried by AB on his shoulders for eons, the moment he fails with the bat lead to the disaster that has unfolded today. You can't rely on 1 or 2 players in the batting line up come what may, there is no talent beside AB and Amla in this current side, the rest of the players in batting line up won't even make it to Zimbabwe team, thats how mediocre and clueless they are.

I wonder why Pakistani fans support and defend this mediocre side with everything they've got, does it remind them of their own national team? It doesn't make sense!
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Lol calm down.I get it u have to stick to your username.
 
soso_killer said:
India Won this game when the lead touched 150.
Kohli might as well declare and have day 3,4 and 5 off.
This is a day 10 pitch aleady, SA will be lucky to get 80 in the 2nd dig.
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LOL...an ABD special for 25 minutes and 150 lead would seem small. Low scoring games have that disadvantage.
 
If amla, abd and duminy can stick on 250-300 can be chased..but all three should stick on..amla should play a great innings for that and he is capable of that...
 
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soso_killer said:
Why was Tahir held back on a raging turner?
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It seems Amla lost it totally on this here. It's beyond any logic to not even try him for few overs on these pitches.

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If we can wrap this up quickly and then some one gets going then we may get some interesting situation. Not a likely situation, but possible due to the last 3 wickets falling so quickly, otherwise match was/is totally gone.
 
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