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India vs South Africa | 4th Test | Delhi | Dec 3-7, 2015 | Match Thread

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It's fascinating that south africa are capable of fielding a downright fearsome batting order in LOIS where the same Faf and ABD will be taking the score to 300 or even 400 these days and now they have shifted gears completely and have become tuk tuk kings to save the match.

Feel that with Faf out there SAF are still in this, has a reputation know after Australia rearguard.
 
Ok I ROFLED when I read this on Cricinfo

95.3
Ashwin to de Villiers, FOUR, a long hop outside off, he's hit a four! AB had to drive that through cover, it was too loose to defend

No matter if it is a draw or an Indian win here, SA have potentially scarred themselves for the future.
 
Ok I ROFLED when I read this on Cricinfo



No matter if it is a draw or an Indian win here, SA have potentially scarred themselves for the future.

And this is the next line that followed. WTH.. :))

Would you believe it, Ishant has been sent to deep cover after that shot.

:))) :))) Apparently this tuk tukking is taking its toll on Kohli and India as well
 
Errr how?

86/3 in 97.3. 3-0 in the series and playing out of their skins to save the last game ?? If they draw they'll use this as benchmark for upcoming tours which would be a disaster and if they lose.....well self confidence = -1
 
Is the pitch flat?

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Really gone super slow and deadish. Vast majority of balls don't spin. A few turn a little.

Leggies on the rough seem to turn good. Ash trying that.

Plus blocking is sapping the Indian bowlers morale.
 
Really gone super slow and deadish. Vast majority of balls don't spin. A few turn a little.

Leggies on the rough seem to turn good. Ash trying that.

Plus blocking is sapping the Indian bowlers morale.

This is the only moral victory SA are achieving at the moment. In the long run this innings will hurt SA more than anyone else.
 
Really gone super slow and deadish. Vast majority of balls don't spin. A few turn a little.

Leggies on the rough seem to turn good. Ash trying that.

Plus blocking is sapping the Indian bowlers morale.
If the pitch is slow and flat then why are the proteas defending? Shouldn't they be attempting to go for the target then.

If this effort was done on a spinning mine field I would have applauded it but on a slow dead wicket is absolute cowardice.

Honestly speaking the number one test team in the world would have done a lot better.

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This is the only moral victory SA are achieving at the moment. In the long run this innings will hurt SA more than anyone else.

No offence but I think you are completely wrong. They are the only team in the world that is able to execute the technique of batting for a draw, I doubt any other team could have done it for as long as they have done so far. It's been an awful tour this will give them some pride and confidence in their ability.
 
If the pitch is slow and flat then why are the proteas defending? Shouldn't they be attempting to go for the target then.

If this effort was done on a spinning mine field I would have applauded it but on a slow dead wicket is absolute cowardice.

Honestly speaking the number one test team in the world would have done a lot better.

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Its more logical to defend here than go for shots and make mistakes.

Still getting a draw out of this tour is a positive than going for a unlikely and almost impossible victory.

SA are executing what they wanted and Indian bowlers are a bit helpless. Ash is getting flustered clearly.
 
Its more logical to defend here than go for shots and make mistakes.

Still getting a draw out of this tour is a positive than going for a unlikely and almost impossible victory.

SA are executing what they wanted and Indian bowlers are a bit helpless. Ash is getting flustered clearly.
Nah, it's a cowardly move and proof of how much they have been scarred that they have no confidence in their abilities to attack and chase this target.

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No offence but I think you are completely wrong. They are the only team in the world that is able to execute the technique of batting for a draw, I doubt any other team could have done it for as long as they have done so far. It's been an awful tour this will give them some pride and confidence in their ability.
This sort of display on a flat pitch? Yeah right

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Nah, it's a cowardly move and proof of how much they have been scarred that they have no confidence in their abilities to attack and chase this target.

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Yeah they should have played like Australia, bravely scored at 5rpo and be all out by tea yesterday. They'd bravely be on a plane right now.
 
Yeah they should have played like Australia, bravely scored at 5rpo and be all out by tea yesterday. They'd bravely be on a plane right now.
What happened to playing brave cricket?

Are you saying it is impossible to attack or play proper risk free cricket without losing to many wickets?

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Much anger you have. Nobody can bat for two days on a minefield you know.
Why would I be angry? I could care less, just calling a spade a spade and this so called incredible defending is being done on a flat pitch which is nothing to write home about.

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What happened to playing brave cricket?

Are you saying it is impossible to attack or play proper risk free cricket without losing to many wickets?

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There is no point chasing this total and risk losing wickets quickly. When has such a big total ever been chased successfully? This is a phenomenal effort by South Africa and they are the only team capable of this.
 
There is no point chasing this total and risk losing wickets quickly. When has such a big total ever been chased successfully? This is a phenomenal effort by South Africa and they are the only team capable of this.
South Africa chased a 400 plus target in Australia. They had the ability to pull it off if the pitch is flat but they chose not to do it, their choice to do a misbah where a potential win has been settled for a draw as well.

They have been thoroughly out played in this tour.

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South Africa chased a 400 plus target in Australia. They had the ability to pull it off if the pitch is flat but they chose not to do it, their choice to do a misbah where a potential win has been settled for a draw as well.

They have been thoroughly out played in this tour.

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SA batting never collapsed like they have all throughout this tour. And that was a different batting lineup anyway. A lot of the edges did not carry because Amla played defensively with soft hands. Had they tried to chase it down, our bowlers wouldve got more wickets.
 
Faf has beat both Amla and ABD at not scoring a run after coming to bat. ABD faced around 34 balls before he scored a run while Amla took 45 balls to score a run. Faf has a beastly SR. Lovin this approach by SA. Test cricket at its best!
 
Kohli needs to attack with pacers, spinners are to easy to negotiate. Either ways India has thoroughly outplayed SA and this cowardly SA approach on a dead pitch deserves no praise.
 
Kohli needs to bowl Ishant and Umesh in tandem. No point bowling our spinners into the ground right now. They need a rest so that they can keep their revs and pace up.
 
No offence but I think you are completely wrong. They are the only team in the world that is able to execute the technique of batting for a draw, I doubt any other team could have done it for as long as they have done so far. It's been an awful tour this will give them some pride and confidence in their ability.

I greatly admire your opinion here but you need to take into context as to why SA are being able to do this type of batting.

1) This is the kind of pitch we see in the UAE, slow DEAD tracks with little bounce and little spin. In such tracks rear guard is relatively easy and with spinners bowling, who are used to turners, would not necessarily know how to exploit such a track.

SA were given this track because of the hue and cry that was made at the Nagpur pitch earlier. Had this been a turner like the previous one this type of Innings in the Sub Continent on turners especially is, mark my words, A DISASTER.

They would feel good about it in the short run as to what they might have achieved but this kind of success would make such an innings a benchmark. Young SA batsman watching such a show would make of the notion that in order to survive on 'Indian Turners' you need a dead bat approach which is totally opposite to the dynamics of how batters play on Sub Continent turners.

Give this same pitch to a line up consisting of Hafeez, Azhar, YK, Misbah, Asad & Sarfaraz with the same set of spinners operating and these blokes will show you how to chase down this given total.

I don't see the logic in such an approach especially when you're 3-0 down in the series. Eng in 2013 gave India a phainta of epic proportions in India by doing totally opposite of what the South Africans are doing right now. YOU need to understand, on Turners, dead bat approach is counter productive.
 
For this innings.

Draw is very likely cos I don't see how India can peg away all the wickets here.

Faf-ABD and Duminy is soooo tough on this wicket.
 
Yeah they should have played like Australia, bravely scored at 5rpo and be all out by tea yesterday. They'd bravely be on a plane right now.

Spot on ,we would had wrapped Aus up for sure this is a great effort from Saffers.
 
Nagpur started easing out too. But it was damn hard in first innings that 2nd innings eased out version was still damn hard. :))

Mohali was the one which got tougher.

Indian curators be like. Damn we can't get those overcast conditions...Wait I have an idea !!!! :)))
 
I greatly admire your opinion here but you need to take into context as to why SA are being able to do this type of batting.

1) This is the kind of pitch we see in the UAE, slow DEAD tracks with little bounce and little spin. In such tracks rear guard is relatively easy and with spinners bowling, who are used to turners, would not necessarily know how to exploit such a track.

SA were given this track because of the hue and cry that was made at the Nagpur pitch earlier. Had this been a turner like the previous one this type of Innings in the Sub Continent on turners especially is, mark my words, A DISASTER.

They would feel good about it in the short run as to what they might have achieved but this kind of success would make such an innings a benchmark. Young SA batsman watching such a show would make of the notion that in order to survive on 'Indian Turners' you need a dead bat approach which is totally opposite to the dynamics of how batters play on Sub Continent turners.

Give this same pitch to a line up consisting of Hafeez, Azhar, YK, Misbah, Asad & Sarfaraz with the same set of spinners operating and these blokes will show you how to chase down this given total.

I don't see the logic in such an approach especially when you're 3-0 down in the series. Eng in 2013 gave India a phainta of epic proportions in India by doing totally opposite of what the South Africans are doing right now. YOU need to understand, on Turners, dead bat approach is counter productive.

We differ in opinion here, which is fine. Conservative play is part of the South African cricket culture, if they can't win they can fall back on placing a very high value on their wickets and take some pride in that. Pakistan or any subcontinental side would take a different approach for sure but SA don't have the skill at playing spin to execute that approach.
 
This is beyond shambolic stuff from Saffers, as I predicted yesterday Amla after his blockathorn got out with a SR of 10 :facepalm: stupid approach.
 
Yadav and Ishant should extract some variable bounce on this pitch. But yeah spin is being easily played out :(

I have a feeling that Ash should bowl from Jaddu's end and simply go for full on leggies with close in fielders and deep fielders (cos too many 4s may not keep up the morale). I am seeing something in his leggies on this pitch.

Then when wicket falls, he can switch back to off.

We are terribly missing Mishy Boy here.
 
We differ in opinion here, which is fine. Conservative play is part of the South African cricket culture, if they can't win they can fall back on placing a very high value on their wickets and take some pride in that. Pakistan or any subcontinental side would take a different approach for sure but SA don't have the skill at playing spin to execute that approach.

Weren't the likes of Amla, ABD and Faf regarding as amongst the top players of spin in the world?

Boy has this tour exposed them big time.
 
Ridiculous? Its an assumption alright but hardly ridiculous
Ashwin is brilliant against left handers.

Ashwin is brilliant against lefties, but to go ahead and be sticking your neck out with such statements really does makes one look silly.

Ashwin should get duminy, but nothing is certain. Both Amla and ABD have shown considerable restrain, and i wont be surprised if the effect rubs on few more players.
 
Weren't the likes of Amla, ABD and Faf regarding as amongst the top players of spin in the world?

Boy has this tour exposed them big time.

If only umar akmal and ahmed shehzad were in the middle right now. Their aggression wouldve taken SA home
 
We differ in opinion here, which is fine. Conservative play is part of the South African cricket culture, if they can't win they can fall back on placing a very high value on their wickets and take some pride in that. Pakistan or any subcontinental side would take a different approach for sure but SA don't have the skill at playing spin to execute that approach.

Where is your classic one liner mate? Indians phir ro rahe hain:srt.
 
Pitch getting slower and slower. Looking back, India should have enforced follow-on.
 
I have a feeling that Ash should bowl from Jaddu's end and simply go for full on leggies with close in fielders and deep fielders (cos too many 4s may not keep up the morale). I am seeing something in his leggies on this pitch.

Then when wicket falls, he can switch back to off.

We are terribly missing Mishy Boy here.

We need a bare minimum of atleast 2 wickets in the next session, preferrably Ab and faf for us to have any chance. For duminy all hopes are on Ashwin.
As for Vilas and the tail they might be in a slight panic mode and jaddu should be enough for them.
 
Great stuff from SAF, and people criticizing SAF should really stop watching cricket. 500 with such an inexperienced lineup in such conditions is impossible to chase down. There was only one result probable and that was India's win, by playing fantastic cricket SAF has brought in the possibility of a draw as well. And no the pitch isn't flat, Indian spinners are not bowling the right channel, maybe spoilt due to previous matches. They are either bowling too short and allowing batsmen to come behind the ball or pitching it too much up not allowing the ball to spin. When pitched in the righ area ball has moved and played the tricks.
 
We need a bare minimum of atleast 2 wickets in the next session, preferrably Ab and faf for us to have any chance. For duminy all hopes are on Ashwin.
As for Vilas and the tail they might be in a slight panic mode and jaddu should be enough for them.

You need to break this partnership only and match would be yours even if you it in the third session. Rest will fall like a pack of cards.
 
Great stuff from SAF, and people criticizing SAF should really stop watching cricket. 500 with such an inexperienced lineup in such conditions is impossible to chase down. There was only one result probable and that was India's win, by playing fantastic cricket SAF has brought in the possibility of a draw as well. And no the pitch isn't flat, Indian spinners are not bowling the right channel, maybe spoilt due to previous matches. They are either bowling too short and allowing batsmen to come behind the ball or pitching it too much up not allowing the ball to spin. When pitched in the righ area ball has moved and played the tricks.

No bro.

Watched the whole session ball by ball.

They were super accurate at first. Tried pitching full (which is what commies were saying too) to force batsmen to play shots and make mistakes. Nothing happened.

Bowled good length. Nothing happened.

Jaddu produced a beauty to get rid of Amla.

90%+ balls in session one didn't spin an inch.
 
You need to break this partnership only and match would be yours even if you it in the third session. Rest will fall like a pack of cards.

Bad light comes into play in the last session that's why can't leave things too late.
 
No bro.

Watched the whole session ball by ball.

They were super accurate at first. Tried pitching full (which is what commies were saying too) to force batsmen to play shots and make mistakes. Nothing happened.

Bowled good length. Nothing happened.

Jaddu produced a beauty to get rid of Amla.

90%+ balls in session one didn't spin an inch.

I watched the whole session too and I still believe they didn't bowl well. They bowled too full or too short. They didn't bowl indecisive channel.
 
No bro.

Watched the whole session ball by ball.

They were super accurate at first. Tried pitching full (which is what commies were saying too) to force batsmen to play shots and make mistakes. Nothing happened.

Bowled good length. Nothing happened.

Jaddu produced a beauty to get rid of Amla.

90%+ balls in session one didn't spin an inch.

You could see jaddu was trying for that magic ball quite often that is pitching on middle and leg and hitting off-stump, but 90% of the balls weren't spinning at all, the one that spun took Amla's wicket.
 
Pitch getting slower and slower. Looking back, India should have enforced follow-on.

Nope, the follow-on just kills the bowlers. Recall Ahmedabad vs England, 2012.
 
I watched the whole session too and I still believe they didn't bowl well. They bowled too full or too short. They didn't bowl indecisive channel.

Fair enough. Agree to disagree.

Line was fine but nothing happened.

The same line and length Jaddu ran through Saffers all this series.
 
You could see jaddu was trying for that magic ball quite often that is pitching on middle and leg and hitting off-stump, but 90% of the balls weren't spinning at all, the one that spun took Amla's wicket.

Yup.

A few spun but even that was slow spin. Jaddu's pace and that perfect positioning and Amla's angled bat which was a mistake breached the defense. Leggies on rough turned but very few were bowled there.
 
Yup.

A few spun but even that was slow spin. Jaddu's pace and that perfect positioning and Amla's angled bat which was a mistake breached the defense. Leggies on rough turned but very few were bowled there.

Ashwin needs to up his speed and become a leg-break bowler for the day.
 
Ashwin has been disappointing today.Was awesome yesterday.

Needs to bowl quicker I think
 
Nope, the follow-on just kills the bowlers. Recall Ahmedabad vs England, 2012.

Split the difference, India should have declared after 50 overs of batting rather than 100 overs. There was really no need to bat a whole day (and then some) with a 200+ lead in the bank to begin with.
 
We can say anything now but how many of you though that southafrica would even last 80 overs? Cant blame india for declaring late.
 
Two things went wrong for India in this match

1. Failure to pick Mishra - the spin bowling is lacking the variety on a slow wicket where batsmen are showing no interest whatsoever.

2. Failure to enforce the follow on - Ashwin and Jadeja would have been more effective on day three wicket. In a low scoring match like this, you need to enforce the follow-on whenever possible.

Epic display from the Saffers though, they have destroyed the morale of the bowlers and barring a miracle we have a draw here.
 
Smith: They are having a tough series in India as the pitches have negated the South African side somewhat. One thing I will say is that if these are the wickets they are going to be playing on then Virat Kohli is only going to start averaging 35, so I think we will see them revert pretty quickly. But there is so much talent in South Africa. For me, AB is by far and away the best batter in the world. Bowlers are starting to get a fear factor of bowling at him and that plays into his hands even more.

Lol, Smith.

Source: https://7days.ae/graeme-smith-herschelle-gibbs-test-cricket-future/77041
 
Jaddu you are a SAVIOR.

As I mentioned a short while back, something started to happen in the pitch, now it got better and suddenly the same Indian spinners look good.

They were bowling like this in first session too and nothing happened. ;-)
 
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