Indian Premier League (IPL) vs International LOI Cricket - Which is more fun?

[sensible-indian-fan]

I know this thread is going to ruffle a LOT of feathers.

But I am going to say it outright.

IPL 2019 was WAY MORE FUN than WC 2019.

Several reasons.

1. IPL has more nail biting thrillers.

2. T20 has reduced our tolerance level for watching 50 overs cricket (test cricket is different as it has its own set of connoisseurs).

3. International cricket is not the same anymore with Pak, SL, SA and WI declining terribly. Yes Bangladesh and Afghanistan are improving but it's all about the big 3. Only their games (plus NZ) are of significance. I know this would probably change in the future but right now, I see the main teams thrashing some super ordinary teams out there. It gets boring after a while.

IPL is relatively more even stevens (inspite of some weak teams there)...so it's more fun.

Honestly I never thought I would make a thread like this but this is how I feel right now.

Your thoughts.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Of course, non Indians may not feel the same way.

But if majority of Indians feel this way, then it will affect international cricket at some point.

 

[sweep_shot]

I don't watch IPL or any other T20 league. ODI is the best format for me.

I don't think you can compare a traditional World Cup event with a regional T20 league.

 

[Hitman]

Don’t watch league cricket, so International LOI is the only option left for me to pick. In fact I hate the T20 format, can’t stand it. Test and ODI cricket are my staple formats, with Test cricket being my ultimate favorite.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Comparing International Cricket with IPL is just like comparing Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar with Umar Akmal respectively.

 

[Revolution]

Comparing International Cricket with IPL is just like comparing Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar with Umar Akmal respectively.

Why bringing this comparison. IPL is big and growing but better than bangla, Zimbabwe, Afghanistan and Pak series against big teams. They are always one side matches.

 

[Shaddy86]

Apart from Pak Vs India, Pak Vs Eng, Aus, NZ were all thrilling games to watch. Keep your IPL bias to yourself because Indians love to see their own players in every match.

 

[Mamoon]

Apart from series between the big three, IPL is better. Pakistan vs. India is of course an exception, but it doesn’t happen anymore.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Expected reactions.

Keep them coming.

Will say it again.

IPL was outrageously entertaining in the last edition (2019).

I didn't tune in for 90% of the WC games.

lol.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Expected reactions.

Keep them coming.

Will say it again.

IPL was outrageously entertaining in the last edition (2019).

I didn't tune in for 90% of the WC games.

lol.

Clarification: Was keeping check of scores and watching bits of it when things got interesting. But mostly didn't bother watching the games for a considerable amount of time.

 

[Ram Shekhar]

I thought the thread was a joke but as I think deeper, there is merit to it! Let me tell you, this world cup has seen some incredible matches already. Brathwaite's incredible effort, Gulbadin's brain fade at a very crucial moment, Malinga's demolition of English batting order, Shami saving India's blushes with his hattrick, and a few more. But IPL produced these kinds of matches on a freaking regular basis. IPL was way more entertaining than some of the matches in this world cup.

Make no mistake, international cricket is still the real deal for all Indians but IPL is not far behind. I can see a future where we see have a far fewer bilateral series for sure. 50 over World Cup will still remain the pinnacle but these leagues will rule the world.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Comparing International Cricket with IPL is just like comparing Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar with Umar Akmal respectively.

More like Sachin vs Kohli.

Bhai...you have become an old uncle with your views these days.

Hamare zamane me types.

---

Just a few days back, I stumbled on an old Pak vs SA ODI game in Youtube and it reminded me of the AMAZINGLY nostalgic era of 90s.

ODIs were magic at that time.

India, Pak, SL, SA, Aus, NZ and WI were exciting.

I see none of that magic now.

 

[Ram Shekhar]

More like Sachin vs Kohli.

Bhai...you have become an old uncle with your views these days.

Hamare zamane me types.

---

Just a few days back, I stumbled on an old Pak vs SA ODI game in Youtube and it reminded me of the AMAZINGLY nostalgic era of 90s.

ODIs were magic at that time.

India, Pak, SL, SA, Aus, NZ and WI were exciting.

I see none of that magic now.

ODI Cricket was way more interesting when Indian wins were very elusive, wasn't it? After India has become a clinical team, it isn't the same anymore..

 

[Mamoon]

Expected reactions.

Keep them coming.

Will say it again.

IPL was outrageously entertaining in the last edition (2019).

I didn't tune in for 90% of the WC games.

lol.

In terms of quality of cricket, entertainment, atmosphere in the stadiums etc. the IPL is as good as the World Cup. However, the prestige and the significance of the World Cup cannot be matched by IPL at this point.

Cricket is still an international-oriented sport in spite of the rise of franchise cricket in the last 15 years. In the future, if IPL becomes bigger and longer, IPL vs. World Cup could be like the Champions League vs. FIFA World Cup.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

ODI Cricket was way more interesting when Indian wins were very elusive, wasn't it? After India has become a clinical team, it isn't the same anymore..

Haha it might seem that way but not really.

Look at the 90s era.

We weren't a great team but still it was an amazing era.

But watch this:

SA: Donald, Pollock, Klusener, Gibbs, Hansie Cronje, Jonty, Gary Kirsten

Aus: Mcgrath, Warne, Lee, Waugh Brothers, Bevan, Ponting

SL: Vaas, Murali, Nuwan Zoysa (not great but used to annoy us to the core), Aravinda De Silva, Jayasuriya

Pak: Wasim, Waqar, Akhtar, Afridi (opener), Inzi, Ijaz, Yousuf, Anwar, Aquib Javed (Indian slayer), Azhar Mahmood, Saqlain

WI: Ambrose, Walsh, Lara, Gayle (even guys like Merv Dillon, Reon King, Chanders, were nice)

Not as exciting teams but still had memorable players

NZ: Chris Harris (wily old fox), Chris Cairns, Nathan Astle, Craig McMillan

India: Tendulkar (no one else needed), Kumble (much better ODI bowler in 90s), Srinath

Even take Zimbabwe: Health Streak, Flower brothers, Henry Olonga, Alaister Campbell, Neil Johnson (opener bowler & batsman), Douglas Marillier (scoop man)

People remember someone like Douglas Marillier even now for performing in a random game against India. That was the effect of 90s ODIs (or may this was in early 2000s but for argument sake, its all the same).

----

Compare it to today.

Due to flat pitches and need to hit for 50 overs, we see unidimensional teams with hacks all around.

Pak: Not a single superstar except Babar who is upcoming (Amir, Wahab turn up in tourneys)

SA: Rabada (who had a bad WC)

Aus: Starc, Warner

SL: lol (no one except Malinga)

India however has stars: Kohli, Rohit, Dhawan, Bumrah, Shami, spin twins (exciting but have to prove themselves)

Eng (another good team): Roy, Bairstow, Buttler, Root

NZ: Williamson, Boult

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Don't get me wrong. I am not saying 90s players are better than players of today but the game has become far more one dimensional.

In the 90s, you had a lot of variety.

Pak was a bowling centric team with an explosive but unpredictable batting order.

Aus was clinical.

SA was clinical (unlucky in tourneys...wasn't a choker in 90s....can't be blamed for Donald's stupidity)

WI was good in patches. Good bowling and Lara.

SL was a spin oriented team with some explosive bats.

 

[Chennai_cricket_fan]

I believe that 50 over cricket is past its sell to cover date. There are large periods of inactive slack during the middle overs with batsmen just stroking balls into the outfield and no attacking cricket happening. Also 8 hours is too long a time for a game in the modern day fast life.

I therefore believe that Test matches and T20's should be the two formats moving forward.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

In terms of quality of cricket, entertainment, atmosphere in the stadiums etc. the IPL is as good as the World Cup. However, the prestige and the significance of the World Cup cannot be matched by IPL at this point.

Cricket is still an international-oriented sport in spite of the rise of franchise cricket in the last 15 years. In the future, if IPL becomes bigger and longer, IPL vs. World Cup could be like the Champions League vs. FIFA World Cup.

True.

But quality wise...IPL is not international cricket level except for spin bowlers or batsmen facing spin.

You have lots of loopholes to bash weak batsmen/bowlers and make up your stats.

That's why pure IPL superstars invariably flounder in international cricket and only those who perform in domestics too do well.

 

[Chennai_cricket_fan]

If ODI cricket needs to survive , we need to have a more equal balance between bat and ball. 50 overs of the batsmen slaughtering bowlers gets way too monotonous. We need to have attacking bowling all through the 50 overs .

There may also be a case to reduce it to 40 overs a side to make it more viable to this day and age

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

In the 90s, you had a lot of variety.

Pak was a bowling centric team with an explosive but unpredictable batting order.

Aus was clinical.

SA was clinical (unlucky in tourneys...wasn't a choker in 90s....can't be blamed for Donald's stupidity)

WI was good in patches. Good bowling and Lara.

SL was a spin oriented team with some explosive bats.

And India had Tendulkar.

Non 90s kids will never understand what a hoot and a half he was in his pomp.

We have got desensitized to 4s and 6s now cos its so easy to hit them.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

If ODI cricket needs to survive , we need to have a more equal balance between bat and ball. 50 overs of the batsmen slaughtering bowlers gets way too monotonous. We need to have attacking bowling all through the 50 overs .

There may also be a case to reduce it to 40 overs a side to make it more viable to this day and age

ODI cricket may not have a future.

 

[surg]

ODI cricket is my answer
IPL is all about see the ball, hit the ball, Every game is the same
One day cricket - It evolves, Every stage is different. The early overs, middle overs and death overs.

 

[King Kong]

Haha it might seem that way but not really.

Look at the 90s era.

We weren't a great team but still it was an amazing era.

But watch this:

SA: Donald, Pollock, Klusener, Gibbs, Hansie Cronje, Jonty, Gary Kirsten

Aus: Mcgrath, Warne, Lee, Waugh Brothers, Bevan, Ponting

SL: Vaas, Murali, Nuwan Zoysa (not great but used to annoy us to the core), Aravinda De Silva, Jayasuriya

Pak: Wasim, Waqar, Akhtar, Afridi (opener), Inzi, Ijaz, Yousuf, Anwar, Aquib Javed (Indian slayer), Azhar Mahmood, Saqlain

WI: Ambrose, Walsh, Lara, Gayle (even guys like Merv Dillon, Reon King, Chanders, were nice)

Not as exciting teams but still had memorable players

NZ: Chris Harris (wily old fox), Chris Cairns, Nathan Astle, Craig McMillan

India: Tendulkar (no one else needed), Kumble (much better ODI bowler in 90s), Srinath

Even take Zimbabwe: Health Streak, Flower brothers, Henry Olonga, Alaister Campbell, Neil Johnson (opener bowler & batsman), Douglas Marillier (scoop man)

People remember someone like Douglas Marillier even now for performing in a random game against India. That was the effect of 90s ODIs (or may this was in early 2000s but for argument sake, its all the same).

----

Compare it to today.

Due to flat pitches and need to hit for 50 overs, we see unidimensional teams with hacks all around.

Pak: Not a single superstar except Babar who is upcoming (Amir, Wahab turn up in tourneys)

SA: Rabada (who had a bad WC)

Aus: Starc, Warner

SL: lol (no one except Malinga)

India however has stars: Kohli, Rohit, Dhawan, Bumrah, Shami, spin twins (exciting but have to prove themselves)

Eng (another good team): Roy, Bairstow, Buttler, Root

NZ: Williamson, Boult

----

Don't get me wrong. I am not saying 90s players are better than players of today but the game has become far more one dimensional.

In the 90s, you had a lot of variety.

Pak was a bowling centric team with an explosive but unpredictable batting order.

Aus was clinical.

SA was clinical (unlucky in tourneys...wasn't a choker in 90s....can't be blamed for Donald's stupidity)

WI was good in patches. Good bowling and Lara.

SL was a spin oriented team with some explosive bats.

What rubbish!

Amazing that you had names like Johnty(there are like dozens of fielders nowadays who are as good as him if not better), Azhar Mahmood, ijaz and many others who you found out exciting, but I can say there are plenty in world cricket these days who are better than half the names you mentioned.

India: Kohli, Rohit, Dhawan, KL Rahul, Pant, Pandya, Bumrah, Kukcha..

South Africa: De Kock, Faf, ABD, Rabada, Tahir, Ngidi...and upcoming ones like Makram, Vander dussen are exciting talents too...

Australia: Warner, Smith, Finch, Starc, Cummins, Maxwell, Alex Carey.

Pakistan: Babar, Fakhar, Harris Sohail, Amir, Shaheen Afridi, Shadab..

England: Bairstow, Roy, Root, Buttler, Stokes, Archer, Wood, Anderson, Broad...

Sri Lanka: Kusal Perera, Kusal Mendis, Malinga, Avishka Fernando.

New Zealand: Kane, Guptill, Taylor, Needham, Boult, Ferguson.

West Indies: Gayle, Pooran, Hetmeyer, Russell, Cottrell, Gabriel, Lewis.

Bamgladesh: Shakib, Sarkar, Liton das, Mushfiqur, Mustafiz.


Are the players I listed out any lesser than yours? In fact, they are better than 50% of the names you listed out. Don't belittle current players due to your excessive nostalgia...

 

[Enforcer]

LOI cricket these days are meh. But World cup is definitely better than IPL. In IPL apart from big cities (whose franchise are involved) no body cares who is winning/losing. However, world cup unities the nation. Also I think this franchise love over country can only be seen in chennai people. Like how can manjrekar say such thing to csk's jadeja etc. We don't see such passion for franchise in any other state.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

More like Sachin vs Kohli.

Bhai...you have become an old uncle with your views these days.

Hamare zamane me types.

---

Just a few days back, I stumbled on an old Pak vs SA ODI game in Youtube and it reminded me of the AMAZINGLY nostalgic era of 90s.

ODIs were magic at that time.

India, Pak, SL, SA, Aus, NZ and WI were exciting.

I see none of that magic now.

You feel young and energetic after watching a sesons of IPL, don't you? If watching international cricket and not liking or criticising IPL makes one old fashioned or uncle then so be it. Who cares?

Kids watch IPL and adults watch World Cup.

 

[Jaibalayya]

As of now :

IPL > Bilateral, tri series, multi team tournaments in any format

ODI WC > IPL

T20 WC > IPL

 

[ARK Rafay]

Can't agree

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

What rubbish!

Amazing that you had names like Johnty(there are like dozens of fielders nowadays who are as good as him if not better), Azhar Mahmood, ijaz and many others who you found out exciting, but I can say there are plenty in world cricket these days who are better than half the names you mentioned.

India: Kohli, Rohit, Dhawan, KL Rahul, Pant, Pandya, Bumrah, Kukcha..

South Africa: De Kock, Faf, ABD, Rabada, Tahir, Ngidi...and upcoming ones like Makram, Vander dussen are exciting talents too...

Australia: Warner, Smith, Finch, Starc, Cummins, Maxwell, Alex Carey.

Pakistan: Babar, Fakhar, Harris Sohail, Amir, Shaheen Afridi, Shadab..

England: Bairstow, Roy, Root, Buttler, Stokes, Archer, Wood, Anderson, Broad...

Sri Lanka: Kusal Perera, Kusal Mendis, Malinga, Avishka Fernando.

New Zealand: Kane, Guptill, Taylor, Needham, Boult, Ferguson.

West Indies: Gayle, Pooran, Hetmeyer, Russell, Cottrell, Gabriel, Lewis.

Bamgladesh: Shakib, Sarkar, Liton das, Mushfiqur, Mustafiz.


Are the players I listed out any lesser than yours? In fact, they are better than 50% of the names you listed out. Don't belittle current players due to your excessive nostalgia...

I clearly stated that i dont intend to say 90s players are better than ones right now.

90s had its share of mediocre cricketers.

Jonty's name was used to make a larger point.

Never said fielders these days are bad.

Anyways, since you mentioned these modern names, enjoy your cricket.

To each his own.

 

[giri26]

Well we have seen some bizzare threads on this forum and this one is right at the top. Strange comparison. International cricket always better than domestic leagues.

 

[BalluBalleBaaz]

Nothing can be compared to worldcup. Badeless thread

 

[BalluBalleBaaz]

Nothing can be compared to worldcup. Baseless thread

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

People are confusing stature with fun.

I would anyday have a WC over IPL trophy.

But fun wise.... IPL is getting better.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

You feel young and energetic after watching a sesons of IPL, don't you? If watching international cricket and not liking or criticising IPL makes one old fashioned or uncle then so be it. Who cares?

Kids watch IPL and adults watch World Cup.

And real cricket lovers watch both.

 

[Chennai_cricket_fan]

I grew up being as passionate about cricket as any other person from the subcontinent. We are ready to spend huge amounts of time watching this sport, and that is clearly due to our passion for it.

However of late, I have tried to take an external and objective look at cricket and it seems clear to me why the rest of the world simply cannot fathom this game of ours. Test cricket takes 5 days time and can produce no result. Large number of the fielders are inactive throught the day. Imagine fielding at covers during a Test - not many sports in the world can rival that kind of inactivity. ODI cricket also takes too long in this day and age and adds very little value , especially in these days of batting dominance. T20 is clearly the way forward and may help take the sport to newer countries.

Test cricket clearly is the purest form of the game. It may become commercially unviable soon, but it needs to be protected due to its great merits. And T20's would bring in the money,entertainment. In fact T20's can also be made more wholesome by playing on a variety of surfaces allowing attacking bowling as well as batting. The last IPL was so interesting because there was a good balance between bat and ball.

However, I dont see any long term future for ODI's in this picture

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

People are confusing stature with fun.

I would anyday have a WC over IPL trophy.

But fun wise.... IPL is getting better.

I don't think so,

You are from chennai you have a team which u root for(CSK) what about people from other states.

We are attached to our Indian team and when they win we feel jubilant but theres no such connection with any ipl team.

People don't watch cricket just to see good shots, sixes etc there should also be a connection bw team and its fans.

Winning ipl brings no glory, it is just like watching two non indian teams play a match. The quality of cricket is as good as international cricket but that alone won't help there needs to be some sense of achievement.

 

[Aman]

Nobody cares about IPL.

Hand on heart I couldn't tell you any of the finalists or semi finalists, or eventual winner.

/thread

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

I grew up being as passionate about cricket as any other person from the subcontinent. We are ready to spend huge amounts of time watching this sport, and that is clearly due to our passion for it.

However of late, I have tried to take an external and objective look at cricket and it seems clear to me why the rest of the world simply cannot fathom this game of ours. Test cricket takes 5 days time and can produce no result. Large number of the fielders are inactive throught the day. Imagine fielding at covers during a Test - not many sports in the world can rival that kind of inactivity. ODI cricket also takes too long in this day and age and adds very little value , especially in these days of batting dominance. T20 is clearly the way forward and may help take the sport to newer countries.

Test cricket clearly is the purest form of the game. It may become commercially unviable soon, but it needs to be protected due to its great merits. And T20's would bring in the money,entertainment. In fact T20's can also be made more wholesome by playing on a variety of surfaces allowing attacking bowling as well as batting. The last IPL was so interesting because there was a good balance between bat and ball.

However, I dont see any long term future for ODI's in this picture

Test cricket in SENA conditions is even more entertaining to watch than odi or t20s.
Test matches in subcontinent is the real worry, unless the pitch is turning square theres no fun.

 

[Chennai_cricket_fan]

Test cricket in SENA conditions is even more entertaining to watch than odi or t20s.
Test matches in subcontinent is the real worry, unless the pitch is turning square theres no fun.

I agree. I do accept that test cricket is the ultimate challenge for a cricketer and also the ultimate treat for a connoisseur. It still remains my favourite format .But there is no doubting the fact that is become commercially unviable very fast.

However I am totally disillusioned with ODI's the way they are played these days.

 

[ak619]

IPL 2019 was a brilliant tournament. I think more than 18 matches went down to the last over!

Compared to that, yes, WC 2019 hasn't has as exciting matches.

But you can't compare the IPL to the cricket World Cup. At least not yet. Maybe by 2027, things might be a little different.

 

[happydavy]

I know this thread is going to ruffle a LOT of feathers.

But I am going to say it outright.

IPL 2019 was WAY MORE FUN than WC 2019.

Several reasons.

1. IPL has more nail biting thrillers.

2. T20 has reduced our tolerance level for watching 50 overs cricket (test cricket is different as it has its own set of connoisseurs).

3. International cricket is not the same anymore with Pak, SL, SA and WI declining terribly. Yes Bangladesh and Afghanistan are improving but it's all about the big 3. Only their games (plus NZ) are of significance. I know this would probably change in the future but right now, I see the main teams thrashing some super ordinary teams out there. It gets boring after a while.

IPL is relatively more even stevens (inspite of some weak teams there)...so it's more fun.

Honestly I never thought I would make a thread like this but this is how I feel right now.

Your thoughts.

Trying to understand the purpose of this thread? If you like something its great, why post about it on an irrelevant forum? Afterall its not facebook or twitter nor i guess you are some celebrity that everyone would like to know your opinion on things. Its a Pakistan cricket forum, and though there are a few Indians here including me, i don't see any point creating a thread about your love for an Indian league on this forum which doesn't have Pakistani cricketers representation. Its a little disrespectful to be honest, apart from lacking any context.

 

[Pakhs]

I know this thread is going to ruffle a LOT of feathers.

But I am going to say it outright.

IPL 2019 was WAY MORE FUN than WC 2019.

Several reasons.

1. IPL has more nail biting thrillers.

2. T20 has reduced our tolerance level for watching 50 overs cricket (test cricket is different as it has its own set of connoisseurs).

3. International cricket is not the same anymore with Pak, SL, SA and WI declining terribly. Yes Bangladesh and Afghanistan are improving but it's all about the big 3. Only their games (plus NZ) are of significance. I know this would probably change in the future but right now, I see the main teams thrashing some super ordinary teams out there. It gets boring after a while.

IPL is relatively more even stevens (inspite of some weak teams there)...so it's more fun.

Honestly I never thought I would make a thread like this but this is how I feel right now.

Your thoughts.

Of course, non Indians may not feel the same way.

But if majority of Indians feel this way, then it will affect international cricket at some point.

What are you two smoking? Must be some strong stuff. IPL is not even 50 over cricket.

 

[ak619]

What are you two smoking? Must be some strong stuff. IPL is not even 50 over cricket.

What are you smoking? It's just 1 poster.

 

[Pakhs]

IPL is just a domestic tournament, Yes I know we can argue cricket is just India but if we say that than that means cricket is no longer a relevant sport anyone should worry about. For any sport to be worth anything surely the global tournaments have to be the biggest like in Football WC or euros or copa america? For cricket any ICC tournaments have to be bigger for it to be worth calling international sport.

 

[Pakhs]

What are you smoking? It's just 1 poster.

Whatever I am smoking I have still not confused 50 over cricket to T20.

 

[ak619]

Whatever I am smoking I have still not confused 50 over cricket to T20.

How does it matter what format it is?

The title of the thread clearly states - Which is more fun?

 

[Titan24]

In my opinion long term stability of Cricket is dependent on international cricket not T20 leagues as cricket leagues are good entertainment but they dont have the same passionate fans as league of other sports e.g Barclays Premier League, NBA etc. Also not to forget there are three formats of cricket which all have some set of fans though varying in number and cricket as a sport cant afford to loose any of its fans.

Lifeline of cricket is international cricket as thats where you see the most passion amongst fans, once it will be finished I am afraid we will see demise of cricket.

Watching something for entertainment purposes is something different than watching it as a passionate fan. I am pretty sure not many fans would be totally heart broken if Chennai, Lahore, Dhaka, Perth etc doesnt reach the finals of their respective leagues but that’s totally different when it comes to national teams.

Entertainment can be easily replaced with more entertaining things but passion and die hard support of teams cant be which in cricket only exists at international level.

One rarely remembers most of the T20 league performances of the same year let alone of the year before but performances in international cricket which are remembered for a long time.

 

[Pakhs]

How does it matter what format it is?

The title of the thread clearly states - Which is more fun?

How does it matter which format? 50 over cricket is not same as T20 cricket. The thread should have been which format is more fun in that case. In any case why are we discussing Domestic tournament to International tournament?

 

[Titan24]

In my opinion long term stability of Cricket is dependent on international cricket not T20 leagues as cricket leagues are good entertainment but they dont have the same passionate fans as league of other sports e.g Barclays Premier League, NBA etc. Also not to forget there are three formats of cricket which all have some set of fans though varying in number and cricket as a sport cant afford to loose any of its fans.

Lifeline of cricket is international cricket as thats where you see the most passion amongst fans, once it will be finished I am afraid we will see demise of cricket.

Watching something for entertainment purposes is something different than watching it as a passionate fan. I am pretty sure not many fans would be totally heart broken if Chennai, Lahore, Dhaka, Perth etc doesnt reach the finals of their respective leagues but that’s totally different when it comes to national teams.

Entertainment can be easily replaced with more entertaining things but passion and die hard support of teams cant be which in cricket only exists at international level.

One rarely remembers most of the T20 league performances of the same year let alone of the year before but performances in international cricket which are remembered for a long time.

Talking just about fun I think international cricket supporting my team gives me more adrenaline rush even in one sided matches than the T20 leagues matches except few thrillers which are good but still cant exactly match the involvement of a national team fan of a team in thriller situation.

Though I enjoy T20 leagues as well but noway near the international cricket. Part of the fun in the leagues of for me is seeing new talent mainly with the purpose of how that player can fare in international cricket.

Also not to forget stars are formed in international cricket which is a necessity for the success of even league cricket.

 

[ak619]

How does it matter which format? 50 over cricket is not same as T20 cricket. The thread should have been which format is more fun in that case. In any case why are we discussing Domestic tournament to International tournament?

Since when have we started classifying entertainment value based on format or whether it's an international or domestic tournament?

It's just about which tournament has had more exciting matches. Simple as that.

 

[Pakhs]

Since when have we started classifying entertainment value based on format or whether it's an international or domestic tournament?

It's just about which tournament has had more exciting matches. Simple as that.

Why dont you start comparing IPL to NBA then? Its totally different games international WC and IPL. And if you wanted the answer I couldnt watch even one game to finish in IPL last year this year it was not even shown on TV in UK. I am enjoying the WC very much and have watched every single game.

 

[Kriketer]

IPL is a domestic mickey mouse tournament. I have never seen an IPL match other than highlights from the first season long ago. Not of my interest and neither had an urge to watch or follow it.

Me being Pakistani obviously have more interest in PSL to see our upcoming talents. Regardless a T20 domestic tournament has no comparison to a World Cup.

And India isn't anything close to a dominant side. They struggle the moment they tour outside (Test), home track advantage is all they are good at and they do play mostly at home. If the so called "sensible Indian fans" make not-so-sensible threads like this then wonder what not so sensible post

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I think that's just the effect of the IPL on the way you are viewing ODI's. This world cup has been great. ODIs were losing their uniqueness due to a combination of flat pitches, 2 new balls etc. but the variety of pitches and the format have made this a very watchable tournament. Reminded me a lot of 90's, early 00's ODI cricket actually.

 

[AdamM97]

It’s the atmosphere in the IPL that makes it more fun to watch. Cricket is a religion in India whereas most Brits only watch cricket for the sake of having fun. Go watch England play a football match against France, Germany or Spain and you’ll see a much more hyped up crowd.

 

[Hasan123]

I watched both tournaments and I enjoyed the WC a lot more . There were close games in the IPL but the WC has also had close games as well.

 

[AdamM97]

The WC in 2023 will be much more fun to watch since it will take place in India. The truth is that no one apart from South Asians take cricket that seriously.

Can’t wait for the 2023 WC, hopefully with a much better Pak team!

 

[ak619]

Why dont you start comparing IPL to NBA then? Its totally different games international WC and IPL.

Didn't know IPL and WC were as different as baseball and cricket but okay.

And if you wanted the answer I couldnt watch even one game to finish in IPL last year this year it was not even shown on TV in UK. I am enjoying the WC very much and have watched every single game.

That's all that was required. Glad we finally got there.

 

[rollingstoned]

Haha it might seem that way but not really.

Look at the 90s era.

We weren't a great team but still it was an amazing era.

But watch this:

SA: Donald, Pollock, Klusener, Gibbs, Hansie Cronje, Jonty, Gary Kirsten

Aus: Mcgrath, Warne, Lee, Waugh Brothers, Bevan, Ponting

SL: Vaas, Murali, Nuwan Zoysa (not great but used to annoy us to the core), Aravinda De Silva, Jayasuriya

Pak: Wasim, Waqar, Akhtar, Afridi (opener), Inzi, Ijaz, Yousuf, Anwar, Aquib Javed (Indian slayer), Azhar Mahmood, Saqlain

WI: Ambrose, Walsh, Lara, Gayle (even guys like Merv Dillon, Reon King, Chanders, were nice)

Not as exciting teams but still had memorable players

NZ: Chris Harris (wily old fox), Chris Cairns, Nathan Astle, Craig McMillan

India: Tendulkar (no one else needed), Kumble (much better ODI bowler in 90s), Srinath

Even take Zimbabwe: Health Streak, Flower brothers, Henry Olonga, Alaister Campbell, Neil Johnson (opener bowler & batsman), Douglas Marillier (scoop man)

People remember someone like Douglas Marillier even now for performing in a random game against India. That was the effect of 90s ODIs (or may this was in early 2000s but for argument sake, its all the same).

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Compare it to today.

Due to flat pitches and need to hit for 50 overs, we see unidimensional teams with hacks all around.

Pak: Not a single superstar except Babar who is upcoming (Amir, Wahab turn up in tourneys)

SA: Rabada (who had a bad WC)

Aus: Starc, Warner

SL: lol (no one except Malinga)

India however has stars: Kohli, Rohit, Dhawan, Bumrah, Shami, spin twins (exciting but have to prove themselves)

Eng (another good team): Roy, Bairstow, Buttler, Root

NZ: Williamson, Boult

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Don't get me wrong. I am not saying 90s players are better than players of today but the game has become far more one dimensional.

In the 90s, you had a lot of variety.

Pak was a bowling centric team with an explosive but unpredictable batting order.

Aus was clinical.

SA was clinical (unlucky in tourneys...wasn't a choker in 90s....can't be blamed for Donald's stupidity)

WI was good in patches. Good bowling and Lara.

SL was a spin oriented team with some explosive bats.

Completely agree with you about 90s cricket. No such thing as JAMODIs then and the proof of that is in someone like hrishikesh kanitkar still being a hero. Though I'm not sure if this is just a result of the era we grew up in that we idolise the 90s era so much as millennials. Objectively and dispassionately though I find the 'field' of both teams a players then to be a lot superior to what we have now. Zimbabwe back then was a better team than what bangladesh is now and they'd give pretty much any team.now a run for their money. Almost every team then was stronger than what it is now for me.

 

[RamLakhan]

ODI cricket can be made more interesting by converting it into two T20s (four innings - a blend of Test Format) Sachin Tendulkar once proposed this idea but nobody (including ICC) showed interest in that (Probably I am the only person who like this idea!) This way the boring 300+ runs, one-sided games can be negated. Both teams will have a chance to come back, pitch factor can be removed, toss factor can be removed. There can be a provision for follow-on as well (say a team in the 2nd innings does not reach 100 runs in their 20 overs, they can be asked to bat again in the 3rd innings, so the team which batted in the 1st innings will have a choice to bat last & chase down the score!) Same ball can be used for both ends in the first innings of both teams (20 overs), then the same ball can be used even for the 2nd innings for first 10 overs, a 2nd new ball can be introduced at the 11th over of the 2nd innings for both the teams!

But I think Sachin's idea was something like the same innings (where the 1st innings) is continued in the 3rd innings (If the team is say 120/1 in 1st innings- 20 overs, then they may continue at that score in their next innings... But they can strategize better looking at how the other team has performed in their first innings!) This will give another kind of flavor to the game, because in this way it is not exactly a double-T20, but actually a split ODI! Emphasis will be given to keep wickets in hands (ODI approach) compared to scoring more runs (T20 approach). Batsmen will have chance to score 100s (as in ODIs) and bowlers will also have chance to pick more wickets! Also we can allow 10 overs for each bowlers (instead of 8) so that bits & piece cricketers are completely removed (as in tests) - 6 Batsman + Wicket Keeper + 4 pure bowlers! We can see proper contest between bat and ball will all loopholes covered!

If ODI is not modified something like this, then people will slowly but surely will lose interest in this game and will prefer T20... The problem with T20 is it will no more remain as a PURE game of cricket, because it gives too much freedom to hitters (kind of baseball), pitch (wear out), bowling skills, etc, everything will be sidelined which is actually the main essence of cricket (That's why WI look world-beaters in T20s and hopeless in other formats)! For the game of cricket to survive you will need both Tests & ODIs to go hand in hand with T20 even if T20 gives more money & popularize the game!

 

[Kriketer]

Beside the fun factor of cricket which IPL lovers love gloating about, does WC loss hurt as bad as losing in IPL?

Ya think about it and it will sum up this pointless thread. Magnitude and significance of a World Cup is unmatchable to any domestic tournament.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

ODI cricket can be made more interesting by converting it into two T20s (four innings - a blend of Test Format) Sachin Tendulkar once proposed this idea but nobody (including ICC) showed interest in that (Probably I am the only person who like this idea!) This way the boring 300+ runs, one-sided games can be negated. Both teams will have a chance to come back, pitch factor can be removed, toss factor can be removed. There can be a provision for follow-on as well (say a team in the 2nd innings does not reach 100 runs in their 20 overs, they can be asked to bat again in the 3rd innings, so the team which batted in the 1st innings will have a choice to bat last & chase down the score!) Same ball can be used for both ends in the first innings of both teams (20 overs), then the same ball can be used even for the 2nd innings for first 10 overs, a 2nd new ball can be introduced at the 11th over of the 2nd innings for both the teams!

But I think Sachin's idea was something like the same innings (where the 1st innings) is continued in the 3rd innings (If the team is say 120/1 in 1st innings- 20 overs, then they may continue at that score in their next innings... But they can strategize better looking at how the other team has performed in their first innings!) This will give another kind of flavor to the game, because in this way it is not exactly a double-T20, but actually a split ODI! Emphasis will be given to keep wickets in hands (ODI approach) compared to scoring more runs (T20 approach). Batsmen will have chance to score 100s (as in ODIs) and bowlers will also have chance to pick more wickets! Also we can allow 10 overs for each bowlers (instead of 8) so that bits & piece cricketers are completely removed (as in tests) - 6 Batsman + Wicket Keeper + 4 pure bowlers! We can see proper contest between bat and ball will all loopholes covered!

If ODI is not modified something like this, then people will slowly but surely will lose interest in this game and will prefer T20... The problem with T20 is it will no more remain as a PURE game of cricket, because it gives too much freedom to hitters (kind of baseball), pitch (wear out), bowling skills, etc, everything will be sidelined which is actually the main essence of cricket (That's why WI look world-beaters in T20s and hopeless in other formats)! For the game of cricket to survive you will need both Tests & ODIs to go hand in hand with T20 even if T20 gives more money & popularize the game!

You said in the India vs New Zealand match thread that 'this one match is better than whole IPL'. I would like to know what made you think like that.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Will respond to posters here later.

India vs NZ was a brill game tho.

I enjoyed it.

The final moments were nail biting.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

It was sad seeing Rohit Sharma crying, the guy did everything. Only failed once and his players couldn't back up. He was so into the run chase. It was a Kal Ho Na Ho moment

 

[Leeon1994]

International LOI ofcourse

 

[big_gamer007]

I Only watch world cup.. In between might watch few overs here and there of IPL and bilateral LOI's. So both are same to me.

World cup however is another level and nothing comes close to world cup.
After world cup my next favourite thing to watch is test matches with bowlers dominating in fast bowling conditions. I have always loved fast bowling/swing bowling conditions so that is pleasing to watch for me personally.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

We had one good SF cos India choked.

Other SF was a bore.

This final hasn't been entertaining so far based on the many comments on the match thread.

Still can be salvaged.

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I am telling you guys... International odi cricket has become boring.

 

[rhony]

IPL beats T20I hands down. Any team can beat any other team on any day and it's very exciting. I'm waiting for the day when IPL is played for 6 to 8 months a year with ODIs being played as well.

 

[Rana]

Let’s be honest. No matter how strong the White playing nations become they do not add the excitement that the south Asian teams bring to cricket.

The World Cup lost a lot of interest when Pakistan crashed out on NRR and then India in the Semi finals. You won’t see English or Australian fans ranting about their side crashing out of a wc. All they would do is have another beer and life goes on.

 

[big_gamer007]

IPL is better than bilaterals T20is. For Pakistanis PSL will be the same way after few years.

But nothing compares to cricket world cup. Matches might be long and boring but it's a world cup the biggest pinnacle of the sport can't be compared to IPL or anything else.

 

[Hasan123]

I think most of the comments in this thread are missing the point. OP is saying which is more fun , not which is better. It think unless you watch both it's not fair for you to decide which is more entertaining.

International cricket is better. I don't that is a debate. But OP is asking which is more fun. For me personally IPL drags a lot and there is some dead games. But you do get some entertaining games. International games can be one sided as well. But for me I'm always more invested in international cricket than IPL.

Main thing I like about IPL is seeing players who would never play with each other player with each other , and battles of international team mates facing each other. That's what I find fun about the IPL. Close games are just a bonus. As long as i see certain players entertain me the rest is a bonus for me in the IPL. Intentional cricket will always have more attachment for me and i find it more entertaining. If you find IPL more fun , that's up to you.

 

[AdamM97]

The most fun and entertaining game is still Pakistan vs India despite Pakistan’s recent mediocracy.

Let’s hope Pakistan becomes a stronger team. Now is the right time for some soul searching and experimentation.

 

[Savak]

IPL is just kerry packer type league mickey mouse fun Cricket. Kerry Packer had elite standards though and people today would have paid a premium to watch the quality of players on display

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Trying to understand the purpose of this thread? If you like something its great, why post about it on an irrelevant forum? Afterall its not facebook or twitter nor i guess you are some celebrity that everyone would like to know your opinion on things. Its a Pakistan cricket forum, and though there are a few Indians here including me, i don't see any point creating a thread about your love for an Indian league on this forum which doesn't have Pakistani cricketers representation. Its a little disrespectful to be honest, apart from lacking any context.

3 points.

1. This is one of the two forums where i post and the only forum where i post in recent times. So natural that i would make a thread here about my thoughts.

2. I am not one of the gloating types if one goes by my past posts. So i am sure everyone can see this thread was made because I genuinely felt that way.

3. Lastly but most importantly, IPL impacts international cricket, so this in a way concerns all cricket fans.

By the way, seems like 2 new teams are going to be added to IPL by 2021.

 

[Hasan123]

The most fun and entertaining game is still Pakistan vs India despite Pakistan’s recent mediocracy.

Let’s hope Pakistan becomes a stronger team. Now is the right time for some soul searching and experimentation.

How is watching India beat Pakistan black and blue other than the CT final entertaining lol?

 

[AdamM97]

How is watching India beat Pakistan black and blue other than the CT final entertaining lol?

People hype the game way to much and the recent political tensions add to the excitement. But yes, you do have a point, knowing that this Pakistan team will get beaten up does take the fun out of the game.

 

[ElRaja]

well the ipl is full of indian players so naturally indians would enjoy it. it also plays into the shining super power india narrative, because it generates a lot of money, and an indian team always wins lol.

literally none of the people i know irl who enjoy cricket follow the ipl tho. its usually used as a nice break where u can get away from cricket for a month or two.

i have nothing against it, its great for non pak cricketers to earn a living, but does it compete with international cricket in terms of enjoyment? definitely not for a non Indian in my experience.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I think most of the comments in this thread are missing the point. OP is saying which is more fun , not which is better. It think unless you watch both it's not fair for you to decide which is more entertaining.

International cricket is better. I don't that is a debate. But OP is asking which is more fun. For me personally IPL drags a lot and there is some dead games. But you do get some entertaining games. International games can be one sided as well. But for me I'm always more invested in international cricket than IPL.

Main thing I like about IPL is seeing players who would never play with each other player with each other , and battles of international team mates facing each other. That's what I find fun about the IPL. Close games are just a bonus. As long as i see certain players entertain me the rest is a bonus for me in the IPL. Intentional cricket will always have more attachment for me and i find it more entertaining. If you find IPL more fun , that's up to you.

Thank you bhai.

And totally understandable.

Non Indians wont have any emotional connection with IPL. If I weren't an Indian, I would probably feel the same way as you.

Just that i see a shift in what Indians prefer. And that can impact international cricket down the road.

 

[Hasan123]

People hype the game way to much and the recent political tensions add to the excitement. But yes, you do have a point, knowing that this Pakistan team will get beaten up does take the fun out of the game.

The hype is fun but if we keep getting beaten so easily, no one will care about the game soon.

Even after our loss in this WC versus India, the English commentators were saying what fun is Pakistan vs India if India beat them comfortably?

The rest of the world is slowly seeing this. If we keep on getting beaten easily by India, don't think it will get much hype outside of Pakistan. I am convinced the Indian players just see Pakistan as another game and are more worried about other teams despite the CT final.

 

[Hasan123]

Thank you bhai.

And totally understandable.

Non Indians wont have any emotional connection with IPL. If I weren't an Indian, I would probably feel the same way as you.

Just that i see a shift in what Indians prefer. And that can impact international cricket down the road.

Exactly. Obviously Pakistan fans won't find IPL entertaining but most of them haven't watched a game so don't understand how you can come to that conclusion.

I watch the IPL to see players I like and there isn't much other cricket during that period. I do support CSk but for me the IPL is about fun and seeing battles we won't usually see.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

The WC final has come alive.

Woohooooo

 

[Arham_PakFan]

I like T20s but the international cricket is different. The stakes are always higher.

 

[Mujtaba2900]

. League matches are only interesting when Some new talent Plays Good innings Or your favourite player is playing. otherwise its booring No Real Emotions Attached To Any team.you feel nothing If any team losses or wins .
In International Rankings trophies players Values And performances all matters