India's delusions of dominance in South Asia are exposed

[Red-Indian]

Indian posters don't seem to understand what kind of damages are happening to their reputation and alliances (thanks to Modi).

Things are moving toward China's grip.

I think we're well aware of the damages. We're also aware that what can move one way can also move the other in time. China's grip can sometimes prove too tight if they squeeze a bit harder than the country can take.

Witness Rajapaksa and his presidential pool. He was literally sitting in China's lap and they were building airports and ports for him in his hometown. Witness Shahbaz Sharif flying down to beg a little relaxation in the loan terms.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Where is India's neighborhood policy now?

 

[arunp]

Yeah will have multiple puppets of China - pak ban, maybe burma... nothing new. Previously American puppets now Chinese puppets.

India knows it cannot match China's hard (economic/millitary) power, mostly India's own doing. India has enough experience being surrounded by Chinese/American puppets. Things are definitely better for India than they were 15 years ago.

 

[guard]

Sellout to USA and China . US forced Pak to use its forces to hunt the Taliban down and Pak meekly agreed. Its airspace was violated when someone was captured but again meekly accepted. And allowing China to build high interest loan infrastructure in the country is another sell out. And now still requesting Ind cricket team to tour Pak and then agreeing to a hybrid model - another sell out.

The Pak nation does NOT represent its people, it represents the power players who are currently running the show and always has. Hopefully somewhere along the line a small will happen and we can reverse this horrendous decline

 

[Devadwal]

According to the humanitarian-information portal Reliefweb, Pakistan is among the top 10 countries in the world with the worst sanitation, with 79 million of its 232 million people (34 percent)

Lol

 

[guard]

According to the humanitarian-information portal Reliefweb, Pakistan is among the top 10 countries in the world with the worst sanitation, with 79 million of its 232 million people (34 percent)

Lol

Who are the winners in such arguments? Certainly not the ones who need to spend a penny.
I digress… just futile. India on a better path and trajectory than its immediate neighbours, thats for sure.

 

[Kianig89]

According to the humanitarian-information portal Reliefweb, Pakistan is among the top 10 countries in the world with the worst sanitation, with 79 million of its 232 million people (34 percent) with no access to a “proper toilet.”

Lol

Pakistan never pretended to be a regional leader, however India showcases itself as a role model

 

[sweep_shot]

They are yet to solve their toilet issues , and people talk about world dominance , Toilets are a luxury in majority of India

True. LOL.

it seems like there is a large income inequality there. Some are successful and rich. But, most seem either poor or are barely above poverty.

In other words, they are likely to remain third world for a long time.

 

[Devadwal]

Who are the winners in such arguments? Certainly not the ones who need to spend a penny.
I digress… just futile. India on a better path and trajectory than its immediate neighbours, thats for sure.

I agree india should not even compare with Pakistan or any other south Asian countries .

We have lots of problem but still we are going in right direction .

Need to focus more on education , Healthcare system etc .

Before 5 year most of people's in my village dont have toilet but now 98% People have all the basic facilities .

Modi government gave every House 12 thousand rupees for built a toilet in every village.

Im not a fan of bjp or Modi but im not a blind personal who have agenda .they have done good things in some area's .

 

[Devadwal]

Pakistan never pretended to be a regional leader, however India showcases itself as a role model

The World Health Organization’s Joint Monitoring Programme (JMP) data shows that in 1990, only 18% of India’s population were using toilets [15]. By 2011, the percent of people with a toilet almost doubled to 35% [15]. This pace of improvement increased dramatically over the past decade. By 2015, 57% of Indians had a toilet, while 29% were defecating in the open [1]. In 2020, the percent of Indians with a toilet had risen to 71%

Now in 2024 percent likely to increase around 85% which show india progress .while Pakistan remain unchanged even with 6th time's smaller populations.

 

[rpant_gabba]

To be fair, Maldives and Bangladesh have to a certain extent exposed certain weaknesses in our foreign policies in our neighborhood

- We do not yet have the kind of resources - money, infrastructure, influence etc. to offer a truly attractive alternative to China. They are able to pour in enough to truly entrap a country. Similar to what the US would do earlier.

- Unlike China, we have allied ourselves too closely with one side in each country. China after some initial missteps in Africa has alighted on a strategy where they align either with both sides (if possible) or with the powers behind the throne.

- We're also a little more transparent in our friendships/relationships. China's learnt to be more circumspect.

All are understandable mistakes. We're still early in flexing our nascent muscles and to be honest, our muscles are not that well developed. We're atleast 15... probably closer to 20 years behind China.

Our time will come as long as we're patient and learn our lessons. China has other priorities in East Asia. We can afford to single-mindedly focus on South Asia.

We also need to be clearer in our strategic goals. Not much in local administration should matter to us beyond not giving China strategic military advantages. America's often made the mistake of also trying to push an ideological agenda. That we should never do.

Thanks to the Gandhi-Nehru virus.

Could have used a good dose of Tito.

 

[Technics 1210]

Where is India's neighborhood policy now?

Don't cross the road.

 

[deltexas]

Pakistan never pretended to be a regional leader, however India showcases itself as a role model

Yes Ind is a rising economy and with clout thats emerging. But still a way to go. No one is denying there are problems- more sanitation and housing needed, eliminate poverty, increase education and schools, eliminate casteism, etc etc.. but Ind is on the right track and the foundations with a strong stable democracy is pretty strong

 

[deltexas]

Where is India's neighborhood policy now?

Ind neighborhood policy always has been for peace and security. The less you deal with neighbors spending on military the better. Talks to discuss and aort it out. Problem is having neighbors sending terrorists infiltrators and trying to destabilise. Already has one of the weat side perennially - dont want another one on the east side now. Defense expenditure can be used on better things. But wouldn't expect pak to know that- as their establishment spends money on defense expenditure with no accountability and nothing to show for. Kashmir is still with Ind, pak needs imf bailouts, pak forces were used and discarded by USA and now an entire generation is getting radicalized.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Not only Bangladesh, Afghanistan, and Maldives, but Nepal also has an anti-Indian government. KP Sharma Oli, who has been appointed Nepal's Prime Minister for a third time recently, is widely seen as being pro-China, and Kathmandu's ties with Beijing are expected to become closer during his tenure.

 

[FearlessRoar]

When they are sellout countries then India can't do anything .

This is not india problem but they are responsible for own failure.

Bangladeshi people don't want India's interference in their territory. The people of Bangladesh have moved beyond the legacy of Mujib Ur Rahman.

 

[deltexas]

And thats good. Nepal is looking after its benefits- nepal 1st policy. No blind love to ind based on religion- no ummah concept. Whereas the other Islamic neighbors of Ind have hatred for Ind ust because Ind is a Hindu majority country. Thats the difference.

Not only Bangladesh, Afghanistan, and Maldives, but Nepal also has an anti-Indian government. KP Sharma Oli, who has been appointed Nepal's Prime Minister for a third time recently, is widely seen as being pro-China, and Kathmandu's ties with Beijing are expected to become closer during his tenure.

 

[arunp]

The Pak nation does NOT represent its people, it represents the power players who are currently running the show and always has. Hopefully somewhere along the line a small will happen and we can reverse this horrendous decline

Pak nation always represents the pak population. if there is a misadventure on the Pak leaders (civilian/military), Pak people will be considered responsible and guilty by omission. That is why Germay, Italy and Japan were penalized after the WW2.

 

[uppercut]

India throughout history has been a stepping stone to riches, but for others. Portuguese, Muslims, and the British to name but a few. Absolutely rinsed the riches out of India and with it scarred a nation probably for another 5000 years.

So let me get this straight.... you are taking pride in plain old robbery ?

 

[deltexas]

Bangladeshi people don't want India's interference in their territory. The people of Bangladesh have moved beyond the legacy of Mujib Ur Rahman.

When did Ind interfere in Ban affairs? Ind maintains relationships with whoever is the PM and is the government. On the contrary- some western neighbors always interfere in Ind affairs nonstop

 

[Vikram1989]

When did Ind interfere in Ban affairs? Ind maintains relationships with whoever is the PM and is the government. On the contrary- some western neighbors always interfere in Ind affairs nonstop

and even they create majority threads about one country instead of them

 

[Romali_rotti]

and even they create majority threads about one country instead of them

Good way to get the internet traffic flowing in..

 

[HalBass9]

Good way to get the internet traffic flowing in..

Are educated, money-focused, intelligent, looking down on Muslims Hindutva easily baited?

 

[cricketjoshila]

All Muslim nations bordering India are turning anti India. It should not be surprising. Why will a Muslim nation or at least a majority Muslim nation listen to a pagan nation like India?

Even Maldives was also barking like a chihuahua not long ago. It is not coincidence. This is all orchestrated. It is Muslim nations uniting against India.

Let them.

 

[HalBass9]

I hope that despite all the chest-thumping in the media, on Hindutva-aligned TV channels, forums, and elsewhere, someone in the Indian government realizes how isolated India has become in the region. Instead of chest-thumping, they should understand what needs to be done. Don’t let the opportunity slip away. You may survive in the short term, but eventually, you will need to come to terms with the reality.

 

[HalBass9]

It has more to do with Hindutva inability to defend the genocide in Gaza, Hindutva bigotry and even Ayodah was lost.

 

[Itachi]

I feel like this needs to be responded to.
The cricketing relationships between Pakistan and India have been heavily politicized. You know that. India insists touring Pakistan or playing Pakistan in any kind of cricket match is a government decision-a decision by political leaders is in fact political!
So why is it, that on the largest cricket website in Pakistan and quite possibly on the planet aside from cricinfo politics isn't suitable for any kind of discussion when it comes to cricket, despite the utter politicization of cricket by Pakistan's largest rival in effectively everything that matters?
Motives matter. The views of the decisionmakers matter. How they act matters, because the decisionmakers will act the same way when it comes to cricket.

I'm not here to take shots, but pakpassions leadership team needs to make a decision on how you're going to handle Pakistan-India relations discussions on this board. No, begging people to stop talking about it isn't the answer. Content moderation hasn't proven the answer either as people are still talking about this subject. Make a decision, make it extremely public, and stand by it.
As great as pakpassion's media content is, with many acclaimed coaches, players, and well known commentators having contributed to this website, this is still a message board where people come to interact. You guys are the leaders here. Make a constructive policy and I am sure many here will follow it, including myself.

This.

It needs to be addressed though.

Currently people are confuse because what is applied as rule in one thread doesn't follow in another. For example, in the thread about india; comparison in the same parameters as that of pakistan is prohibited but the same rule doesn't follow if the county is Pakistan.

One mod enforces one rule and then another mod breaks itself by posting on the very same topic.

This should be sorted in the admin section of the pp itself. It is unfortunate that common posters needs to intervene regarding how to run a forum.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It has more to do with Hindutva inability to defend the genocide in Gaza, Hindutva bigotry and even Ayodah was lost.

Which Hindu is involved in Gaza? Hindus or Indians have nothing to do with Gaza.

Pakistanis have nothing to do with anything inside India.

The Ram Mandir at Ayodhya stands proud.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I hope that despite all the chest-thumping in the media, on Hindutva-aligned TV channels, forums, and elsewhere, someone in the Indian government realizes how isolated India has become in the region. Instead of chest-thumping, they should understand what needs to be done. Don’t let the opportunity slip away. You may survive in the short term, but eventually, you will need to come to terms with the reality.

India is isolated.

 

[rpant_gabba]

I hope that despite all the chest-thumping in the media, on Hindutva-aligned TV channels, forums, and elsewhere, someone in the Indian government realizes how isolated India has become in the region. Instead of chest-thumping, they should understand what needs to be done. Don’t let the opportunity slip away. You may survive in the short term, but eventually, you will need to come to terms with the reality.

Guess logic is not your strong point. Normal for theists

Pak is a extremist ridden basket case with a debt issue it doesn't have a way to get out of. Bangladesh doesn't have much of economy or military to speak off. Sri lanka is looking for any handouts it can get.

China has had an opportunity to make Pak, Ban and Sl's life easier and they haven't moved a muscle.

A far weaker India has deal the all three countries when they were far stronger.

But we are supposed to believed the three clowns are going to gang up and make India kneel

how? yes. I forgot, the power of the almighty. LMAO..There are many idiots in India, thankfully there bigger idiots in its neighbors

 

[rpant_gabba]

The only dominance India has left is flooding internet discussion forums. Case in point is this very thread which is dominated by Indians pointing out everything wrong with Pakistan but then saying Pakistan isn’t relevant to them.

how come your posts have only assertions and claims that cannot be tested with any hard numbers?

We are told to believe by OP India is isolate in South asia and its problem a for it.

Spell out what those problems are and quantify its effects.

I'm very confident that you are incapable of doing that.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Please stay on topic and no need for any personal remarks or irrelevant stuff.

 

[Romali_rotti]

IMO China is quite isolated, they have issues with what around 27 neighboring countries?

All Chinese have for friends are those 3rd world countries which they have purchased that are out on the international scene with begging bowls.

China is the real though...

 

[Hitman]

IMO China is quite isolated, they have issues with what around 27 neighboring countries?

All Chinese have for friends are those 3rd world countries which they have purchased that are out on the international scene with begging bowls.

China is the real though...

Bro, might does not require friends. China has might, and might is right.

 

[Hitman]

Anyways, isn't Pakistan the only Islamic nuclear powered country? What have they done so far to Israel other than provide lip service to Palestine?

 

[BouncerGuy]

Anyways, isn't Pakistan the only Islamic nuclear powered country? What have they done so far to Israel other than provide lip service to Palestine?

WHat does Palestine has to do anything with this thread????

 

[Hitman]

WHat does Palestine has to do anything with this thread????

Sir, I responded to your post in a very polite manner

 

[BouncerGuy]

Sir, I responded to your post in a very polite manner

You can reply to the poster who asked a question in this thread. Personal insults and remarks will do no good to anyone.

Keep chat healthy.

India failed to win gold and that is truth. Reasons could be many. Phogat could have won gold but he missed the weight mark. One of the contestant was deported.

 

[HalBass9]

Guess logic is not your strong point. Normal for theists

Pak is a extremist ridden basket case with a debt issue it doesn't have a way to get out of. Bangladesh doesn't have much of economy or military to speak off. Sri lanka is looking for any handouts it can get.

China has had an opportunity to make Pak, Ban and Sl's life easier and they haven't moved a muscle.

A far weaker India has deal the all three countries when they were far stronger.

But we are supposed to believed the three clowns are going to gang up and make India kneel

how? yes. I forgot, the power of the almighty. LMAO..There are many idiots in India, thankfully there bigger idiots in its neighbors

First you need to identify which mask did you put on when you typed that?

Atheist?
Hindutva atheist?
Muslim hating atheist?
Or whatever other sub category atheist mask you have stored on your closet.

Then I’ll be able to explain isolation is not always about “luxmi”.

 

[HalBass9]

IMO China is quite isolated, they have issues with what around 27 neighboring countries?

All Chinese have for friends are those 3rd world countries which they have purchased that are out on the international scene with begging bowls.

China is the real though...

Lol

Aside from India and Taiwan, which other country on China’s border is hostile? And more importantly, when did China ever face a Hindutva vs. Muslim issue on either side of its major borders?

Proponents of Hindutva should cease comparing India to China. China is leagues ahead of India in every conceivable aspect—India couldn’t even secure a single gold medal in the Olympics.

Even the United States, the world’s dominant superpower, would be impacted by having a hostile neighbor on its border, yet here we are discussing India.

I’m confident that the Indian government isn’t as foolish as some of the chest-thumping Hindutva supporters on various forums. But then again, religious extremism and the delusional belief in unlimited ‘luxmi’ have blinded leaders with chests even bigger than Shri Modi Ji’s.

 

[rpant_gabba]

First you need to identify which mask did you put on when you typed that?

Atheist?
Hindutva atheist?
Muslim hating atheist?
Or whatever other sub category atheist mask you have stored on your closet.

Then I’ll be able to explain isolation is not always about “luxmi”.

does it matter? hint: facts don't change regardless of who is stating them.

isolation has to have material effect. otherwise it is meaningless.

you have nothing up your sleeve and thats why you are tap dancing.

 

[PakLFC]

India has never been the leader of South Asia so there is nothing to expose. No one fears India at all...not Pak or chine not even Sri Lanka or Nepal for that matter. India is like a schizophrenic patient thinking everyone is envious off it or out to get it one way or another, If all neighbouring countries have problems then India has even more with a leader who hates all non Hindu's. There is no competition between China and India at all at anything other then western culture obsessed Bollywood or Cricket. China's tanking it at the Olympics where as India can't even get one Gold. This in a nutshell is the difference between the two.

 

[sweep_shot]

India has never been the leader of South Asia so there is nothing to expose. No one fears India at all...not Pak or chine not even Sri Lanka or Nepal for that matter. India is like a schizophrenic patient thinking everyone is envious off it or out to get it one way or another, If all neighbouring countries have problems then India has even more with a leader who hates all non Hindu's. There is no competition between China and India at all at anything other then western culture obsessed Bollywood or Cricket. China's tanking it at the Olympics where as India can't even get one Gold. This in a nutshell is the difference between the two.

Yes. China has neutralized and isolated India in the region.

 

[rpant_gabba]

India has never been the leader of South Asia so there is nothing to expose. No one fears India at all...not Pak or chine not even Sri Lanka or Nepal for that matter. India is like a schizophrenic patient thinking everyone is envious off it or out to get it one way or another, If all neighbouring countries have problems then India has even more with a leader who hates all non Hindu's. There is no competition between China and India at all at anything other then western culture obsessed Bollywood or Cricket. China's tanking it at the Olympics where as India can't even get one Gold. This in a nutshell is the difference between the two.

agree with this here to a big extent.

India started off with a big handicap with idiotic leaders such as Nehru as PM. It should go to isolationist policy and look after its interest rather than bailing out and providing free medicines and vaccines to the neighborhood.

If sosm ething bads happens to land omf teh pure (west and east) its becos allah decided it must and ome thig bad ahppens to SL its becos buddha decided it should.

don't get why India bailed SL out of their economic crises.

It has gotta learn to ignore self righteous beggars like PCB

 

[rpant_gabba]

Yes. China has neutralized and isolated India in the region.

Wasn't that already completed in the 60's when Pak was middleman for Nixon and China?

Back then Pak was in one piece if I recall. Oh wait...

 

[HalBass9]

Yes. China has neutralized and isolated India in the region.

China has isolated India in every conceivable way.

While India makes headlines for Ambani’s extravagant spending on celebrity weddings for his children, China dominates the news in the Western world for challenging economic hegemony. India is merely in the early stages of emerging, whereas China has already emerged and is advancing to modernize its military to the level of Western superpowers.

As for the rumors about the U.S. removing India’s puppet Prime Minister in Bangladesh, if Indians genuinely believe it’s because the U.S. wants a base in Bangladesh, then by all means, let them persist in that delusional fantasy.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Guys please stay on topic rather than irrelevant stuff.

 

[Earth87]

INDIA was never or will be dominant force, until Modi is Removed.. They are forcing Muslim Waqaf bill amended.

1Any Development for India willll Depend On Ouster of Modi..

Until good students of India Realized Modi is black sheep for them they are unable to rule or say have their says..

Indians are being target in USA, Australia, Canada...there is no respect for them..

Specially in Canada Indians are subject to Hygeine issues, Defaction in Beaches ? So let alone being powerful is too far edge.

 

[Romali_rotti]

To be fair to the OP China is the leading nation in Asia no one will deny this.

The issue that Chinese have is that they have a very hostile environment in the south China Sea on the east side and have their main rival in Asia on the West side.

China vs the Americans, their Allies, Indians etc makes it a difficult environment for them. Even the Russians do not trust China, this is clear as Russians are keeping Indians close despite Xi jing ping claims of Russia and China are greatest of allies ...

Feels like China has no friends, even the Pakistanis who are in bed with China because of their circumstance can always pull the pin due to their closeness with American's or atleast may have to sabotage some of China's interest in Pakistan at the request of the American's. Say what you may ISI and CIA do work together when it suits American interests.

 

[PakLFC]

Yes. China has neutralized and isolated India in the region.

Now with Hasina out of Bangladesh, India could soon face another very hostile neighbour at that border. During the protests Bangaldeshis were spitting on the Indian flag printed on some van in Dhaka. This could mean more trouble for India in the seven sisters region that had been quiet thanks to pro Indian Hasina.

 

[Earth87]

Bangladesh with weak Army, Potentially instability compel them to bring Hasina and Thug company...a fake economy boom for Bangladeshi..

Most of small jobs are done by Bangladeshi. Bangladesh Need to find a way to generate economy that can sustain their farmers, fishers and low income people.

India is Just using bangladesh elites through small investments or so.

 

[sweep_shot]

Now with Hasina out of Bangladesh, India could soon face another very hostile neighbour at that border. During the protests Bangaldeshis were spitting on the Indian flag printed on some van in Dhaka. This could mean more trouble for India in the seven sisters region that had been quiet thanks to pro Indian Hasina.

Indeed.

It doesn't seem like Indian leadership has the intelligence to understand it. Otherwise, they would be pursuing a different strategy.

 

[HalBass9]

To be fair to the OP China is the leading nation in Asia no one will deny this.

The issue that Chinese have is that they have a very hostile environment in the south China Sea on the east side and have their main rival in Asia on the West side.

China vs the Americans, their Allies, Indians etc makes it a difficult environment for them. Even the Russians do not trust China, this is clear as Russians are keeping Indians close despite Xi jing ping claims of Russia and China are greatest of allies ...

Feels like China has no friends, even the Pakistanis who are in bed with China because of their circumstance can always pull the pin due to their closeness with American's or atleast may have to sabotage some of China's interest in Pakistan at the request of the American's. Say what you may ISI and CIA do work together when it suits American interests.

India has not presented any significant challenges to China. If you believe otherwise, could you please provide specific examples?

Furthermore, it is unclear why Russia would abandon its relationship with China, or why China would compel Russia to distance itself from India. China does not perceive India as a military threat, as a full-scale conflict between the two nations is highly improbable in the foreseeable future. While India may pose economic competition to China, such competition should be seen as a positive and constructive force.

Why, then, do some in India view their relationship with China as a zero-sum conflict when China does not?

The core relationship between Pakistan and China is deeply rooted and unwavering. Ensuring that neither country will ever totally abandon the other.

 

[sweep_shot]

Indeed.

It doesn't seem like Indian leadership has the intelligence to understand it. Otherwise, they would be pursuing a different strategy.

What I mean by this is India's various hostile stances are pushing many regional allies away.

Even Hindu-majority Nepal is having a border dispute with India.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Now with Hasina out of Bangladesh, India could soon face another very hostile neighbour at that border. During the protests Bangaldeshis were spitting on the Indian flag printed on some van in Dhaka. This could mean more trouble for India in the seven sisters region that had been quiet thanks to pro Indian Hasina.

what will this new hostile neighbor do? go to IMF for funds to build up their military and build greater bengal? west pakistan is left with employing non-state actors as the only policy tool.

What exactly is east pakistan going to to do?

 

[Romali_rotti]

India has not presented any significant challenges to China. If you believe otherwise, could you please provide specific examples?

Furthermore, it is unclear why Russia would abandon its relationship with China, or why China would compel Russia to distance itself from India. China does not perceive India as a military threat, as a full-scale conflict between the two nations is highly improbable in the foreseeable future. While India may pose economic competition to China, such competition should be seen as a positive and constructive force.

Why, then, do some in India view their relationship with China as a zero-sum conflict when China does not?

The core relationship between Pakistan and China is deeply rooted and unwavering. Ensuring that neither country will ever totally abandon the other.

Correct brother

China does not view India as a threat which is why they have setup naval military bases in Sri Lanka, Pakistan, with plans to setup a naval military base in Bangladesh..

Do you think Pakistan is ahead of India now and maybe take Indian Kashmir next month ?

 

[HalBass9]

What I mean by this is India's various hostile stances are pushing many regional allies away.

Even Hindu-majority Nepal is having a border dispute with India.

India's strategy of neglecting its neighbors or attempting to install puppet governments has always been short-sighted and inherently unsustainable. Regardless of India's economic growth, if its borders remain hostile, the nation will be trapped in perpetual conflict, which will inevitably hinder its progress and undermine its aspirations for regional dominance.

One can only hope that India is not aiming for global superiority, as some proponents of Hindutva naively suggest. Such ambitions would only make it more challenging for India to maintain peace and stability within the region.

 

[HalBass9]

Correct brother

China does not view India as a threat which is why they have setup naval military bases in Sri Lanka, Pakistan, with plans to setup a naval military base in Bangladesh..

Do you think Pakistan is ahead of India now and maybe take Indian Kashmir next month ?

Do you genuinely believe those naval bases are intended to counter India? And if they are, why would India want to be part of a nexus that necessitates China countering India?

What is the rationale behind engaging in such a conflict? What strategic advantage does India gain by voluntarily involving itself in this situation?

 

[PakLFC]

what will this new hostile neighbor do? go to IMF for funds to build up their military and build greater bengal? west pakistan is left with employing non-state actors as the only policy tool.

What exactly is east pakistan going to to do?

It has to do with Bangladesh most likely no longer being pro-Indian like it was before. It has to do with trouble in Seven sisters region. It has to do with Bangladesh most likely cosying up to China even more. If Pak is employing actors then it is what India is doing in Afghanistan too. It is only fair that we hurt India back in the same way. Where did I mention "East Pakistan"?.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Do you genuinely believe those naval bases are intended to counter India? And if they are, why would India want to be part of a nexus that necessitates China countering India?

What is the rationale behind engaging in such a conflict? What strategic advantage does India gain by voluntarily involving itself in this situation?

You are the expert bro. You tell me.

Looking forward to your reply, it's Sunday and I am not looking forward to work tommorow, I need a good laugh to cheer me up.

 

[PakLFC]

Correct brother

China does not view India as a threat which is why they have setup naval military bases in Sri Lanka, Pakistan, with plans to setup a naval military base in Bangladesh..

Do you think Pakistan is ahead of India now and maybe take Indian Kashmir next month ?

I though Pak already had much of Kashmir. No??

 

[HalBass9]

You are the expert bro. You tell me.

Looking forward to your reply, it's Sunday and I am not looking forward to work tommorow, I need a good laugh to cheer me up.

I am not Indian, but you implied that those naval bases exist to counter India’s potential future navy. As an Indian, perhaps you can explain why you believe China would feel the need to counter India. If you do hold that belief, then it suggests that India stands alone, which contradicts your earlier assertion that China lacks allies in the region.

How amusing.

 

[Romali_rotti]

I am not Indian, but you implied that those naval bases exist to counter India’s potential future navy. As an Indian, perhaps you can explain why you believe China would feel the need to counter India. If you do hold that belief, then it suggests that India stands alone, which contradicts your earlier assertion that China lacks allies in the region.

How amusing.

China has allies bro, the ones they have purchased, only issue is that they are all broke, not politically stable, basically failed countries.

Also you are the expert here, please provide your expertise on why the naval ports around India, built by China are not to counter India.

 

[rpant_gabba]

It has to do with Bangladesh most likely no longer being pro-Indian like it was before. It has to do with trouble in Seven sisters region.

Bangladesh for majority of it existence was not pro india

mujib dies in 1975.

After that it, till 1996 it was anti india junta/khaleda zia

2001 to 2006 anti india Khaleda zia.

It has to do with Bangladesh most likely cosying up to China even more.

SL has cozied up with China, how did that work out?

CPEC was supposed to be game changer for pakistan? how did that work out?

If Pak is employing actors then it is what India is doing in Afghanistan too. It is only fair that we hurt India back in the same way. Where did I mention "East Pakistan"?.

Paksitan has been using non-state actors since 1948 with Jinnah being the originator. long before Afganistan.

Coming back to topic, what tangible problem do you see for India from Bangladesh? If any thing, only river water treaty expires in 2026 and India can screw east pakistan over if it starts acting up.

 

[Romali_rotti]

I though Pak already had much of Kashmir. No??

That's what I thought to brother but turns out India controls more land in Kashmir than Pakistan.

 

[offstump]

I am not Indian, but you implied that those naval bases exist to counter India’s potential future navy. As an Indian, perhaps you can explain why you believe China would feel the need to counter India. If you do hold that belief, then it suggests that India stands alone, which contradicts your earlier assertion that China lacks allies in the region.

How amusing.

India is one reason for China’s naval buildup but it’s a minor one. India poses next to zero maritime threat to China, China has the world’s largest naval force. Even being part of the Quad means nothing because they have no mandate to fight for each other like say, NATO. The drivers behind the Chinese build up is to gain the upper hand in U.S.-China strategic and economic competition, and to protect global shipping trade lanes. The ports China is building are hybrid commercial ports, not purely for military reasons like the U.S.

It will take decades for India to even get in the Chinese naval ballpark let alone close. By that time China will have established its naval dominance in the Indian Ocean, South China Sea (already there), Indi-Pacific etc. China is competing with the US globally, India is a variable but it’s a small one.

 

[HalBass9]

China has allies bro, the ones they have purchased, only issue is that they are all broke, not politically stable, basically failed countries.

Also you are the expert here, please provide your expertise on why the naval ports around India, built by China are not to counter India.

Every country has allies for various reasons—some relationships are driven by economic benefits, while others are based on
Every nation forms alliances for various reasons—some relationships are based on monetary benefits, while others are motivated by different factors. The relationship between India and the U.S. is certainly not founded on superficialities such as ethnic resemblance, and even I, despite my limited understanding compared to your vast expertise, can comprehend that much.

However, I am genuinely curious to hear your perspective on why China would feel compelled to build naval bases to counter India, especially when India poses no significant threat to China, particularly in naval warfare. I do not believe India represents a military threat to China, nor do I foresee a full-scale conventional war between the two nations in the future.

So, please, sir, do enlighten us with your expert views as an Indian, particularly since you seem to have contradicted yourself in the same discussion. As someone who believes India is thriving in the region because it is a Hindu Rashtra, your clarity would undoubtedly benefit those of us who, as you suggest, lack a basic understanding of global dynamics.

Thank you.

 

[HalBass9]

India is one reason for China’s naval buildup but it’s a minor one. India poses next to zero maritime threat to China, China has the world’s largest naval force. Even being part of the Quad means nothing because they have no mandate to fight for each other like say, NATO. The drivers behind the Chinese build up is to gain the upper hand in U.S.-China strategic and economic competition, and to protect global shipping trade lanes. The ports China is building are hybrid commercial ports, not purely for military reasons like the U.S.

It will take decades for India to even get in the Chinese naval ballpark let alone close. By that time China will have established its naval dominance in the Indian Ocean, South China Sea (already there), Indi-Pacific etc. China is competing with the US globally, India is a variable but it’s a small one.

I believe most analysts on this topic would concur with this view.

 

[big_gamer007]

The World Health Organization’s Joint Monitoring Programme (JMP) data shows that in 1990, only 18% of India’s population were using toilets [15]. By 2011, the percent of people with a toilet almost doubled to 35% [15]. This pace of improvement increased dramatically over the past decade. By 2015, 57% of Indians had a toilet, while 29% were defecating in the open [1]. In 2020, the percent of Indians with a toilet had risen to 71%

Now in 2024 percent likely to increase around 85% which show india progress .while Pakistan remain unchanged even with 6th time's smaller populations.

100% this is what people don’t understand, most people here either blindly love everything about Modi or blindly hate him.

 

[HalBass9]

The World Health Organization’s Joint Monitoring Programme (JMP) data shows that in 1990, only 18% of India’s population were using toilets [15]. By 2011, the percent of people with a toilet almost doubled to 35% [15]. This pace of improvement increased dramatically over the past decade. By 2015, 57% of Indians had a toilet, while 29% were defecating in the open [1]. In 2020, the percent of Indians with a toilet had risen to 71%

Now in 2024 percent likely to increase around 85% which show india progress .while Pakistan remain unchanged even with 6th time's smaller populations.

That is how it typically unfolds in most countries that once faced widespread open defecation—improvements in the economy generally lead to greater accessibility to indoor toilets. However, despite being the 5th largest economy in the world, India's 29% rate of open defecation in 2020 is still deeply concerning.

Why do you believe this disparity persists?

Pakistan, which lags far behind India's progress, had a rate of 7% in 2020. But Indians should not compare their situation with Pakistan's, given India's standing as the 5th largest economy.

 

[PakLFC]

That's what I thought to brother but turns out India controls more land in Kashmir than Pakistan.

Sure IoK is bigger in size then AJK.

 

[Romali_rotti]

However, I am genuinely curious to hear your perspective on why China would feel compelled to build naval bases to counter India, especially when India poses no significant threat to China, particularly in naval warfare. I do not believe India represents a military threat to China, nor do I foresee a full-scale conventional war between the two nations in the future.

So, please, sir, do enlighten us with your expert views as an Indian, particularly since you seem to have contradicted yourself in the same discussion. As someone who believes India is thriving in the region because it is a Hindu Rashtra, your clarity would undoubtedly benefit those of us who, as you suggest, lack a basic understanding of global dynamics.

Thank you.

I don't know bro, you are the expert here as I keep saying, I am waiting on enlightment from you.

The other day I heard China docked a spy ship in Sri Lanka not so long ago.

Again I keep asking and waiting for your expert analysis here.

Thank you

 

[Romali_rotti]

, given India's standing as the 5th largest economy..

Becoming the 5th largest economy in the world would have been quite hard since Indians are isolated by its neighbours

 

[arunp]

Becoming the 5th largest economy in the world would have been quite hard since Indians are isolated by its neighbours

Don't People often say India cannot be a super power until it brings peace in the region.
Did you hear that Google. You will not be a super power, till you acquire my failing startup for 100X Valuations!!! Take that Google....

 

[PakLFC]

Bangladesh for majority of it existence was not pro india

mujib dies in 1975.

After that it, till 1996 it was anti india junta/khaleda zia

2001 to 2006 anti india Khaleda zia.

SL has cozied up with China, how did that work out?

CPEC was supposed to be game changer for pakistan? how did that work out?

Paksitan has been using non-state actors since 1948 with Jinnah being the originator. long before Afganistan.


Coming back to topic, what tangible problem do you see for India from Bangladesh? If any thing, only river water treaty expires in 2026 and India can screw east pakistan over if it starts acting up.

Fast forward to today instead of being stuck in the 1970's. Hasina was pro Indian no doubt is what I am saying here. Her removal means someone else taking over or the "Islamist's" that the Indian media is worried about whoever they are.

Well, you know many years back thanks to Pak the terrorism and civil war n Sri Lanka supported by India ended with Pak's intervention. Sri Lanka is now free from Indian terrorism and Indian meddling in to their affairs. CPEC is still an ongoing game to be completed so you need not worry about that. We have thrown you out of Afghanistan and will make sure it remains that way. You are welcome to host their Cricket matches if it makes you happy!

India is one country that is despised and surrounded by its neighbours so let it continue. Rather, I would insist India has never accepted Pak as a separate country which is why your half naked Gandhi was murdered by Godse. This Godse wanted his ashes to be immersed in the Sindhu river so keep dreaming dead man!

We will keep going so need to worry about us instead do so about yourselves with China sitting on much of your land already. You know, the regions that border India and Bangladesh could be another massive problem for India. As General Bakshi said "darpok" Indians with a slave mentality ruled by outsiders for century after century are all talk, nothing else.

 

[HalBass9]

I don't know bro, you are the expert here as I keep saying, I am waiting on enlightment from you.

The other day I heard China docked a spy ship in Sri Lanka not so long ago.

Again I keep asking and waiting for your expert analysis here.

Thank you

Perhaps it is to monitor American celebrities who are allegedly transporting secrets collected in India back to China and then to America?

Sir, please do not compel me to share my opinion in the presence of such a highly esteemed and educated individual from India. My perspective, as well as that of others who do not subscribe to the Hindutva ideology, would be deemed inconsequential.

 

[offstump]

Perhaps it is to monitor American celebrities who are allegedly transporting secrets collected in India back to China and then to America?

Sir, please do not compel me to share my opinion in the presence of such a highly esteemed and educated individual from India. My perspective, as well as that of others who do not subscribe to the Hindutva ideology, would be deemed inconsequential.

Keep in mind you are speaking to both the Indian government and BCCI spokespersons here.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Perhaps it is to monitor American celebrities who are allegedly transporting secrets collected in India back to China and then to America?

Ohh right so China goes all the way to Sri Lanka to spy on American celebrities

Wow I had no idea.

Thanks bro, I am learning something new everyday

 

[HalBass9]

Becoming the 5th largest economy in the world would have been quite hard since Indians are isolated by its neighbours

Perhaps you could provide some insight into why India, as the world’s 5th largest economy, experienced a 29% outdoor deflation rate in 2020?

 

[arunp]

Why, then, do some in India view their relationship with China as a zero-sum conflict when China does not?

This sentence just proves "Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt".
Any person with serious knowledge of Sino-Indian history will be laugh at the above statement and point at Doklam, Pangon Tso and Arunachal Pradesh.