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India's delusions of dominance in South Asia are exposed

The so-called Sanatanis are already struggling to coexist with 200 million Muslims, and now you want to throw in another 250 million? Bhaijaan, even a truckload of Hajmola and Heeng Goli won’t help you digest this one. :kp :inti

The future i envision is one where people’s intellect has outgrown the communal tension.
 
Are you okay?

Maldives spoke to India and in a couple of months came back to India wagging its tail

Srilanka also got into debt trap of China and now in India's fold.

Nepal maintains decent relations with India. They need money which China throws at them.

Bangladesh recently joined hands with their Islamic brother Pakistan thinking they can combined can change the power dynamic in south asia. They can always dream.

Lets talk about Modi taking India to stone age.

In 2016, when Modi became PM, Indian GDP was 2.8 Trillion.
As of 2024 Indian GDP is - 3.89 trillion.

Indian GDP grew by 1 trillion in the last 8 years. On average, they add 120 billion evert year to their GDP and it is going to accelerate in the coming 5 years.
Indian GDP is projected to be 6.3 trillion by 2030.


I know all of this does not matter to you. Your hate is only going to increase in the future for India. :cobra
Nice stats link bro .if any have decent brain to understand and argue.they should be good.
 
No country can progress rapidly in a hostile environment. The earlier India realizes it, the better it is.
 

Chinese fashion giant Shein re-enters India five years after ban​


Chinese fast fashion app Shein has relaunched in India five years after it was banned by Delhi, under a deal with Indian firm Reliance Retail.

An official from Reliance Retail, who did not wish to be named, told the BBC the firm has entered a long-term licensing deal with the parent company to sell products manufactured and sourced in India on the platform. The group has not yet made an official announcement.

Shein's re-entry to the Indian market comes with strict terms, which include saving all data within the country, India's Commerce Minister Piyush Goyal said in December.

In 2020 India banned Shein and dozens of other Chinese apps including TikTok.

It said this was in response to data security concerns and it followed a spike in tensions with China after clashes between the two countries' armies in a disputed Himalayan border area.

The app was launched in India on Friday night and has so far been downloaded by more than 10,000 people. It is offering fashionwear for as little as 199 rupees ($2.30; £1.90).

Shein is currently delivering to consumers only in the cities of Delhi, Mumbai and Bengaluru, but will soon offer services across India, according to a notification on the app.

Over the last decade, Shein has gone from a little-known brand among older shoppers to one of the biggest fast fashion retailers globally. Today, it ships to customers in 150 countries across the world.

Before the ban it became a big hit in India as it gave people a variety of options to buy trendy designs at an affordable price. The ban initially left a vacuum in the Indian market which was later filled by many local players.

Experts say that with Shein India, Reliance Retail - owned by Indian billionaire Mukesh Ambani - is diversifying from its existing strategy of selling international brands through its flagship Ajio online retailer.

The revival comes with strict conditions that give Reliance Retail full control over its operations and data while Shein will be a technological partner, Goyal told the Indian parliament in December.

All customer and application data will be stored in India and Shein will not have any access rights, he said.

Goyal also clarified that the app was banned in India, not the "sale of Shein-branded products".

Shein will use India as a "supply source for its global operations" and will help Reliance Retail in "building the network" and training Indian garment manufacturers, as it aims to promote export of textile and garments from India, an official from Reliance Retail said.

Shein's comeback under the deal with Reliance Retail is a rare exception to India's ban on more than 200 Chinese apps over the last five years.

At the time, Indian officials said the ban followed many complaints against the apps for "stealing and surreptitiously transmitting users' data in an unauthorised manner".

ByteDance's TikTok and popular combat and survival game PlayerUnknown's Battleground (PUBG) were also banned.

However PubG was later rebranded and launched for the Indian market under the name Battlegrounds Mobile India (BGMI), which is held by Krafton India.

 
Fellas all I know is that India is on track to overtake Japan as the second largest Asian economy and the third largest in the world before the end of this decade. Geopolitical power or not, money is power. And if we get a new government that actually gets serious about taxing the oligarchs, the revenue stream would get a shot in the arm.

I am not sure what you all are going on about, but it’s like saying rain is not wet. By every metric India dominates South Asia: gross domestic product, net foreign investment, megawatts of new energy onboarded, tonnage of grain produced, gross ship freight, total energy consumption, total steel produced, total steel consumed, total tons of concrete utilized, number of graduating students, number of new jobs created, number of miles paved, number of miles of new rail tracks installed, scripts of pharmaceuticals produced, new hospital bed capacity installed, houses built, real estate volume transacted…

Fellas Pakistan is not our competition. It hasn’t been for 30 years. Malaysia is not our competition, South Korea is not our competition. We are trying to compete with the likes of china, Japan and Germany. What good is it using Pakistan as a benchmark? You feel we don’t dominate South Asia? Ok cool story bro.
 
Fellas Pakistan is not our competition. It hasn’t been for 30 years. Malaysia is not our competition, South Korea is not our competition. We are trying to compete with the likes of china, Japan and Germany. What good is it using Pakistan as a benchmark? You feel we don’t dominate South Asia? Ok cool story bro.

I don't see any Pakistanis talking about being your competition. This idea seems to have come from you.
 
Fellas all I know is that India is on track to overtake Japan as the second largest Asian economy and the third largest in the world before the end of this decade. Geopolitical power or not, money is power. And if we get a new government that actually gets serious about taxing the oligarchs, the revenue stream would get a shot in the arm.

I am not sure what you all are going on about, but it’s like saying rain is not wet. By every metric India dominates South Asia: gross domestic product, net foreign investment, megawatts of new energy onboarded, tonnage of grain produced, gross ship freight, total energy consumption, total steel produced, total steel consumed, total tons of concrete utilized, number of graduating students, number of new jobs created, number of miles paved, number of miles of new rail tracks installed, scripts of pharmaceuticals produced, new hospital bed capacity installed, houses built, real estate volume transacted…

Fellas Pakistan is not our competition. It hasn’t been for 30 years. Malaysia is not our competition, South Korea is not our competition. We are trying to compete with the likes of china, Japan and Germany. What good is it using Pakistan as a benchmark? You feel we don’t dominate South Asia? Ok cool story bro.
You are mistaken. Thirty years ago, China was India's competitor, but today, they have surged so far ahead that comparing the two isn't even reasonable. Perhaps this is why many Indians prefer to compare themselves with Pakistan and Bangladesh to feel a sense of pride. China's GDP is five times that of India's, and when it comes to manufacturing, the gap is even more staggering. Let's stick to comparing ourselves with Pakistan because China is out of our reach. :inti
 
Yes the day China starts playing cricket and have a forum we will start arguing and comparing with China with a Chinese version of :inti


This is a weak attempt, every Pakistan forum or social media site I have ever seen has usually got far more Indian jingos puffing their chests. If anything it says a lot that even on a cricket forum they can't stop. Ask yourself why we don't ever see Chinese or Sri Lankan posters on here if I am lying.

The thread is not even talking about cricket, so if you want to compare with China I am sure you could find some forum where you could brag to your hearts content over there...but I doubt you would last long before heading back here
 
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You are mistaken. Thirty years ago, China was India's competitor, but today, they have surged so far ahead that comparing the two isn't even reasonable. Perhaps this is why many Indians prefer to compare themselves with Pakistan and Bangladesh to feel a sense of pride. China's GDP is five times that of India's, and when it comes to manufacturing, the gap is even more staggering. Let's stick to comparing ourselves with Pakistan because China is out of our reach. :inti
Not quite. China is certainly well ahead of India. But it serves as a good benchmark. And its rapid growth has been stymied significantly with the collapse of its real estate market, toxic assets, and declining population.

A much more nuanced study of economics and sociology would reveal how the perceived gulf in growth is likely to narrow. Happy to discuss further…
 
This is a weak attempt, every Pakistan forum or social media site I have ever seen has usually got far more Indian jingos puffing their chests. If anything it says a lot that even on a cricket forum they can't stop. Ask yourself why we don't ever see Chinese or Sri Lankan posters on here if I am lying.

The thread is not even talking about cricket, so if you want to compare with China I am sure you could find some forum where you could brag to your hearts content over there...but I doubt you would last long before heading back here with your tail between your legs.

These are your top l threads on the “Pakistan cricket forum”

US sends back “illegal Indian immigrants”
BJP altering “Indian education system”

“Indian” delusions of dominance is exposed

“Maha Kumbh”

Donald Trump praised “PM modi”

Modi statement about “Mahatma Gandhi”

This is easier for you as you don’t even have to go to a library or google search. All this is found on home page for your convenience.

I am assuming there are 0 things to discuss about Pak economy, politics, UK politics etc etc

Who would you want to get info about India your fellow half-illetrate Bradfordiya?

That is why there is presence of Indian posters.
 
These are your top l threads on the “Pakistan cricket forum”

US sends back “illegal Indian immigrants”
BJP altering “Indian education system”

“Indian” delusions of dominance is exposed

“Maha Kumbh”

Donald Trump praised “PM modi”

Modi statement about “Mahatma Gandhi”

This is easier for you as you don’t even have to go to a library or google search. All this is found on home page for your convenience.

I am assuming there are 0 things to discuss about Pak economy, politics, UK politics etc etc

Who would you want to get info about India your fellow half-illetrate Bradfordiya?

That is why there is presence of Indian posters.

Just goes in cycles. Last couple of weeks were dominated by Indian success tracker threads and Pakistan grooming gangs where Indian posters were whooping it up.

You've got it the wrong way round, it's because of Indian posters being here that we have these competing threads.
 
Pakistan, Maldives strengthen defense ties

Pakistan and the Maldives have committed to enhancing their defense collaboration, emphasizing the need for expanded military engagements and joint initiatives.

This commitment was made during the visit of Chief of Defence Staff of the Maldives, Major General Ibrahim Hilmy, who met with Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee, General Sahir Shamshad Mirza, in Rawalpindi.

Major General Hilmy expressed admiration for the high professional standards of the Pakistan Armed Forces and acknowledged their significant achievements and sacrifices in the fight against terrorism.

Upon his arrival at the Joint Staff Headquarters, he was honored with a Guard of Honour from a tri-services contingent.

 
India cannot dominate South Asia because China has many interests there.

India is no match to China.

Also, chaiwala Modi's shortsighted leadership doesn't help India at all.
 
I don't see any Pakistanis talking about being your competition. This idea seems to have come from you.
I am responding to the OP and a few other posters who are attempting to suggest that India is not the dominant power in South Asia. I am opining on how absurd even an attempt to question that hypothesis is. Not only is India the dominant power in the region, it is the second most prominent power in the entire Asian continent, and the third most powerful economy. Thus, comparing it to its regional partners is not a sensible comparison.
 
India cannot dominate South Asia because China has many interests there.

India is no match to China.

Also, chaiwala Modi's shortsighted leadership doesn't help India at all.
I am no fan of the idiot in charge who is regressing india to a theocratic state, but China does not have interests in South Asia. it has attempted to assert economic dominance by luring short sighted and abjectly incompetent leaders into mortgaging their own asset - real estate, all in the name of economic investment.

that is not how you curry favor or influence. that requires well intended investment, or grants, or low interest investment. much like how Japan did when it assisted India in the construction of their inter city rail systems. or how India assisted in constructing the high tide barriers in the Maldives. or how Germany assisted in construction of a solar array in the deserts of Morocco.

giving a high interest loan to build a redundant shipyard only to assume its control does not curry favor, it makes the target nation weary. weary nations welcome new friends. Much like how Sri Lanka has been receptive of India's and Singapore's capital injection to keep the country functioning.

We are about to view the same with Pakistan. The concern is that India is unlikely to provide assistance there. And when inevitably this occurs in Bangladesh, again, it is unlikely India will be motivated to assist.
 
I am responding to the OP and a few other posters who are attempting to suggest that India is not the dominant power in South Asia. I am opining on how absurd even an attempt to question that hypothesis is. Not only is India the dominant power in the region, it is the second most prominent power in the entire Asian continent, and the third most powerful economy. Thus, comparing it to its regional partners is not a sensible comparison.

But you are ignoring China as a dominant power in south asia. That is the premise of those who are responding.
 
But you are ignoring China as a dominant power in south asia. That is the premise of those who are responding.
China is not in South Asia brother. It is in east asia. And Chinese influence in South Asia is limited to a sea port they acquired through their debt trap. There is no south Asian country with the exception of Pakistan that is beholden to china. And those who have fallen for the debt trap are currently recipients of cash grants from India to help extract them from the debt trap. Be it Sri Lanka or Bangladesh.
 
But you are ignoring China as a dominant power in south asia. That is the premise of those who are responding.

I guess some Indians can't stomach the fact China is the real big daddy in subcontinent. They have good relations with almost all countries there. They are also superior to India militarily and economically.

India have become quite isolated in the region. Even Sri Lanka started to show them their position:

Sri Lankan Navy fires at Indian boat, two fishermen injured​


13 Indian fishermen from Tamil Nadu, Puducherry arrested for fishing in Sri Lankan waters; two suffered “serious injuries”, says MEA, adding that use of force unacceptable; Sri Lankan Navy says fishermen assaulted its officers.​


 
China is not in South Asia brother. It is in east asia. And Chinese influence in South Asia is limited to a sea port they acquired through their debt trap. There is no south Asian country with the exception of Pakistan that is beholden to china. And those who have fallen for the debt trap are currently recipients of cash grants from India to help extract them from the debt trap. Be it Sri Lanka or Bangladesh.

You are just playing with words now. China doesn't have to be IN south Asia to be a dominant force in south Asia. Your hatred for Pakistan is spewing from your post but Pakistan shares a border with China and this is a crucial link for the new trade routes to replace the old silk road. As for Bangladesh, yes we've seen the Indian puppet flee back to where she came from so good luck with the dominance on that front. Talk to us about the rest of South Asia once they are working on mutually beneficial terms.
 
Yes the day China starts playing cricket and have a forum we will start arguing and comparing with China with a Chinese version of :inti

Or the day Chinese forum is full of threads about India. Or when Chinese feel the need to tell Indians what we should teach, what we should eat, what political party we should vote for.
 
You are just playing with words now. China doesn't have to be IN south Asia to be a dominant force in south Asia. Your hatred for Pakistan is spewing from your post but Pakistan shares a border with China and this is a crucial link for the new trade routes to replace the old silk road. As for Bangladesh, yes we've seen the Indian puppet flee back to where she came from so good luck with the dominance on that front. Talk to us about the rest of South Asia once they are working on mutually beneficial terms.
Hatred of Pakistan? Dude fine, this discussion is getting derailed and I don’t need to mute yet another poster. You win. India is not a dominant power. Not even in India. China best. China super cool.
 
I guess some Indians can't stomach the fact China is the real big daddy in subcontinent. They have good relations with almost all countries there. They are also superior to India militarily and economically.

India have become quite isolated in the region. Even Sri Lanka started to show them their position:

Sri Lankan Navy fires at Indian boat, two fishermen injured​


13 Indian fishermen from Tamil Nadu, Puducherry arrested for fishing in Sri Lankan waters; two suffered “serious injuries”, says MEA, adding that use of force unacceptable; Sri Lankan Navy says fishermen assaulted its officers.​


You do know that India gave Sri Lanka $2.5B just so they could keep the lights on yeah? I hear Bangladesh is up next with the begging bowl.
 
Considering that they have managed to install a pro India regime in Pakistan, I think India is doing well. This may backfire like it did in Bangladesh but do us Pakistanis have fortitude of Bangladeshis ? I am not sure.
 
You are just playing with words now. China doesn't have to be IN south Asia to be a dominant force in south Asia. Your hatred for Pakistan is spewing from your post but Pakistan shares a border with China and this is a crucial link for the new trade routes to replace the old silk road. As for Bangladesh, yes we've seen the Indian puppet flee back to where she came from so good luck with the dominance on that front. Talk to us about the rest of South Asia once they are working on mutually beneficial terms.
Quite right. China already has a colony called Pakistan in South Asia. Bangladesh will follow suit. The Chinese 'cultural education' of these colonies will be next on Xi's agenda. I hope the Pakistanis and Banglas are prepared for that. They aren't going to have a choice anyway.
 
Or the day Chinese forum is full of threads about India. Or when Chinese feel the need to tell Indians what we should teach, what we should eat, what political party we should vote for.
Or the most ironical how democracy /secularism has to be prevailed
 
Quite right. China already has a colony called Pakistan in South Asia. Bangladesh will follow suit. The Chinese 'cultural education' of these colonies will be next on Xi's agenda. I hope the Pakistanis and Banglas are prepared for that. They aren't going to have a choice anyway.
China will not be able to fully colonize and brainwash the people of Pakistan and BD. These 2 nations will never accept the communist totalitarian systems. Their religion will not let them be that.
However, they can dance to the tunes of China as long as China gives them loans in billions. They always need a new donor to bail them out of their economic woes. If not US, it will be China. If not China, they can always go to Saudis, Qataris or Emiratis by playing the Islamic card.
 
Quite right. China already has a colony called Pakistan in South Asia. Bangladesh will follow suit. The Chinese 'cultural education' of these colonies will be next on Xi's agenda. I hope the Pakistanis and Banglas are prepared for that. They aren't going to have a choice anyway.

China cracks down on the separatist movements, pretty much the same as India does, as for cultural education, this is pretty much hindutwa 101.

If China is succeeding in luring south Asian countries into it's sphere, that is pretty much confirmation that India is failing in the quest for dominance in the region. Poor show considering the cultural and lingual advantages it has.
 
Let's be brutally honest.

Elsewhere we know that the same people are ashamed of their country, their religion, and their identity, hence are the first in line to flee and forget their motherland, India, but until then, hide behind a veil of anonymity and boast about themselves just to help pass the waiting times.

How can a country have aspirations in dominating anything when they speak the language of their past masters?

Drop the English, drop the fake acts, drop the desire to flee India, and drop the desperate need to mimic the West, only then can an Indian dare think of domination.
 
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China cracks down on the separatist movements, pretty much the same as India does, as for cultural education, this is pretty much hindutwa 101.

If China is succeeding in luring south Asian countries into it's sphere, that is pretty much confirmation that India is failing in the quest for dominance in the region. Poor show considering the cultural and lingual advantages it has.
India should have nothing to do with countries who claim to be the fortress of Islam and yet have no shame in taking loans they cannot repay from China, a country whose leader thinks Islam is a mental illness and has no qualms putting millions of muslims in concentration camps and forcing them eat pork. Cultural and linguistic advantages can take a walk.
 
India should have nothing to do with countries who claim to be the fortress of Islam and yet have no shame in taking loans they cannot repay from China, a country whose leader thinks Islam is a mental illness and has no qualms putting millions of muslims in concentration camps and forcing them eat pork. Cultural and linguistic advantages can take a walk.

Countries like Pakistan aren't going to accept Indian version of evil China when they themselves are openly declared enemy states to Pakistan. Why do you feel the burning need to come here and spout such propaganda?

As you keep telling us, India does not want relations with Pakistan, so what business is it of yours?
 
Countries like Pakistan aren't going to accept Indian version of evil China when they themselves are openly declared enemy states to Pakistan. Why do you feel the burning need to come here and spout such propaganda?

As you keep telling us, India does not want relations with Pakistan, so what business is it of yours?
Countries like Pakistan can do whatever they want. India couldn't care less.
So why are Pakistanis talking about India missing 'opportunities at influencing despite cultural similarity' when India does not care about it? Why do you feel the burning need to come here and cry about India losing out?
 
Countries like Pakistan can do whatever they want. India couldn't care less.
So why are Pakistanis talking about India missing 'opportunities at influencing despite cultural similarity' when India does not care about it? Why do you feel the burning need to come here and cry about India losing out?

You didn't answer my question, why does India care about Pakistani views. You were the one who said India should have nothing to do with Pakistan....so why are you here?
 
You didn't answer my question, why does India care about Pakistani views. You were the one who said India should have nothing to do with Pakistan....so why are you here
You didn't answer my question as well, why are you so concerned (or happy) about India allegedly losing its influence in South Asia? Why do you think it is an opportunity missed despite 'similarities in culture and language'? Why does it concern you, when India does not care about it?

As for me being here, this is a public forum where everyone is allowed to express their views.
 
You didn't answer my question as well, why are you so concerned (or happy) about India allegedly losing its influence in South Asia? Why do you think it is an opportunity missed despite 'similarities in culture and language'? Why does it concern you, when India does not care about it?

As for me being here, this is a public forum where everyone is allowed to express their views.

If Indian posters are going to come onto a Pakistan based forum claiming dominance over South Asia, then pretend they don't care then they will be called out. If you weren't here trying to reinforce this image then of course I wouldn't even give it a second thought. You don't see me debating Chinese posters about their dominance because they don't come here...because they don't care. Indian posters obviously do, that is why they get defensive on Pakistan forums.
 
Found this video on YouTube. It made me laugh (Chinese work while Indians talk).

I think this video explains the difference in mindset between these two nationalities.

@KingKhanWC @Cpt. Rishwat @Technics 1210

I am surprised it took 5 mins to explain the difference. The difference is animals have more rights in India.

Chinese never bailed on poor China, and have not bailed rich China. They sure in hell are not giving up their language, or culture! They mimic the West just to mock them, then copy their tech into some more advanced.

Indians on the other hand, they're not sure if they're Indian in the first place. Once they get past that hurdle, then they are faced with the hardship of the caste system before they realise that India is the most discriminating nation of them all, so much so animal have more rights.

Which brings me back to my point, why the heck would anyone want to live in a nation where animals have more rights and where a human is dehumanised just for being born the wrong sex or caste.

Remember, India's biggest export in this so called superpower nation, is call scamming centres and cheap labour.

India ain't going anywhere. Not in this lifetime, not in any parallel universe.
 

Congress Leader's "China Not Our Enemy" Remark Sparks Huge Row​


Congress veteran Sam Pitroda, who heads the party's overseas unit, has courted a new controversy after claiming that the threat from China is often blown out of proportion. His suggestion that India needs to stop considering China as an enemy drew a sharp backlash with the ruling BJP calling out the Congress party over its "obsessive fascination for China".

The remarks by Mr Pitroda, who is not unknown to controversies, follow his leader Rahul Gandhi's assertion in the parliament that India had lost a part of its territory to China, a claim that has been trashed by the government. Speaking to IANS, the Congress leader claimed that India's approach to China has been confrontational and that mindset needed to change.

"I don't understand the threat from China. I think this issue is often blown out of proportion because the US has a tendency to define an enemy. I believe the time has come for all nations to collaborate, not confront. Our approach has been confrontational from the very beginning, and this attitude creates enemies, which in turn garners support within the country. We need to change this mindset and stop assuming that China is the enemy from day one," he said in the interview.

The reply came to a question on whether Prime Minister Narendra Modi and US President Donald Trump would be able to control the threats from China.

Hitting back, the BJP said the crux of the Congress's obsession with China lies in a 2008 Memorandum for Understanding between the Congress and the Chinese Communist Party, the party that runs the neighbouring country.

"Those who ceded away 40,000 square km of our land to China, still see no threat from the Dragon. No wonder Rahul Gandhi is in awe of China and was rooting for BRI one day before the IMEEC was announced. The crux of Congress party's obsessive fascination for China, lies hidden in the mysterious 2008 Cong-CCP MOU," said the BJP's national spokesperson Tuhin Sinha.

China has been among the US' major headaches in view of security concerns and trade implications. India too has been engaged in a border dispute with China, which was marked by violent clashes in 2020.

The opposition in India claims the country had lost a chunk of its land to China during these clashes - a claim that resurfaced in Mr Gandhi's parliament speech earlier this month. Mr Gandhi had claimed China has control over 4,000 sq km of Indian territory, which was refuted by Defence Minister Rajnath Singh.

Pradeep Bhandari, another BJP spokesperson, pointed out that Mr Pitroda is a close aide of Rahul Gandhi and accused the Congress of prioritising China's interest above India's.

"Rahul Gandhi's right-hand man Sam Pitroda : 'China isn't our enemy'! This man sings endless praises of China while Congress party's signing of MoU in 2008 reveals a cozy betrayal of India's interests & prioritising China's! It's crazy how Congress always manages to keep China & Pakistan's interests above ours,"

"Rahul Gandhi's remote control is in the hand of George Soros and China," alleged Mr Bhandari, referring to the billionaire philanthropist accused of trying to influence global politics through his Open Society Foundation.

 
Quite right. China already has a colony called Pakistan in South Asia. Bangladesh will follow suit. The Chinese 'cultural education' of these colonies will be next on Xi's agenda. I hope the Pakistanis and Banglas are prepared for that. They aren't going to have a choice anyway.
Looking at how much India imports from China versus how little it exports back, I have to ask one question are we China's trading partner or a subscribed colony? :inti
 
South Asian politics is dysfunctional until Bharat and Pakistan get on the same page. Ever since our relations soured, SAARC has been dormant.
 
Looking at how much India imports from China versus how little it exports back, I have to ask one question are we China's trading partner or a subscribed colony? :inti

China is net exporter with most countries. How else are they a trillion dollars trade surplus economy. By your logic, is US also a colony of China? Do you guys leave all logic when posting stuff here
 

Congress Leader's "China Not Our Enemy" Remark Sparks Huge Row​


Congress veteran Sam Pitroda, who heads the party's overseas unit, has courted a new controversy after claiming that the threat from China is often blown out of proportion. His suggestion that India needs to stop considering China as an enemy drew a sharp backlash with the ruling BJP calling out the Congress party over its "obsessive fascination for China".

The remarks by Mr Pitroda, who is not unknown to controversies, follow his leader Rahul Gandhi's assertion in the parliament that India had lost a part of its territory to China, a claim that has been trashed by the government. Speaking to IANS, the Congress leader claimed that India's approach to China has been confrontational and that mindset needed to change.

"I don't understand the threat from China. I think this issue is often blown out of proportion because the US has a tendency to define an enemy. I believe the time has come for all nations to collaborate, not confront. Our approach has been confrontational from the very beginning, and this attitude creates enemies, which in turn garners support within the country. We need to change this mindset and stop assuming that China is the enemy from day one," he said in the interview.

The reply came to a question on whether Prime Minister Narendra Modi and US President Donald Trump would be able to control the threats from China.

Hitting back, the BJP said the crux of the Congress's obsession with China lies in a 2008 Memorandum for Understanding between the Congress and the Chinese Communist Party, the party that runs the neighbouring country.

"Those who ceded away 40,000 square km of our land to China, still see no threat from the Dragon. No wonder Rahul Gandhi is in awe of China and was rooting for BRI one day before the IMEEC was announced. The crux of Congress party's obsessive fascination for China, lies hidden in the mysterious 2008 Cong-CCP MOU," said the BJP's national spokesperson Tuhin Sinha.

China has been among the US' major headaches in view of security concerns and trade implications. India too has been engaged in a border dispute with China, which was marked by violent clashes in 2020.

The opposition in India claims the country had lost a chunk of its land to China during these clashes - a claim that resurfaced in Mr Gandhi's parliament speech earlier this month. Mr Gandhi had claimed China has control over 4,000 sq km of Indian territory, which was refuted by Defence Minister Rajnath Singh.

Pradeep Bhandari, another BJP spokesperson, pointed out that Mr Pitroda is a close aide of Rahul Gandhi and accused the Congress of prioritising China's interest above India's.

"Rahul Gandhi's right-hand man Sam Pitroda : 'China isn't our enemy'! This man sings endless praises of China while Congress party's signing of MoU in 2008 reveals a cozy betrayal of India's interests & prioritising China's! It's crazy how Congress always manages to keep China & Pakistan's interests above ours,"

"Rahul Gandhi's remote control is in the hand of George Soros and China," alleged Mr Bhandari, referring to the billionaire philanthropist accused of trying to influence global politics through his Open Society Foundation.



I wonder how BJP intends to make BRICS work if they are still regarding China as an arch enemy?
 
I wonder how BJP intends to make BRICS work if they are still regarding China as an arch enemy?

Bharat has adopted an extremely pragmatic approach with both China and US because they’re that kind of countries.

We cooperate on any matters where our beliefs align and on many important topics we remain rivals on the international forums. Over the years we all have developed a comfort level in this approach with each other.

There has been some improvement in China relations after we agreed for mutual patrolling rights in the disputed regions in Ladakh along with gradual disengagement. They also started direct flight to China after many years.

Bilateral trade is above 100 billion USD and will grow to 200 billion USD soon.
 
Why would we want to make an enemy out of China which would only mean we would have to continue to invest trillions of dollars into our defense? It’s not good for our economy to go on an arms race with China. It’s a necessity not a desire.
 
Sorry to disappoint @Devadwal @Bhaag Viru Bhaag @Rajdeep @cricketjoshila but India has a century's worth of development to go before there can be any serious talk about regional dominance. The people lack civil sense, there is garbage on the streets and no one cares. A country cannot be taken seriously if people lack civic sense.
Forget about india. How is the imported Goverment( By the USA ) doing work in the Pakistan.

:kp
 
Bharat has adopted an extremely pragmatic approach with both China and US because they’re that kind of countries.

We cooperate on any matters where our beliefs align and on many important topics we remain rivals on the international forums. Over the years we all have developed a comfort level in this approach with each other.

There has been some improvement in China relations after we agreed for mutual patrolling rights in the disputed regions in Ladakh along with gradual disengagement. They also started direct flight to China after many years.

Bilateral trade is above 100 billion USD and will grow to 200 billion USD soon.

That is not the message coming from the BJP in that article I quoted. See the comments made by BJP National spokesman Tuhin Sinha.
 
That is not the message coming from the BJP in that article I quoted. See the comments made by BJP National spokesman Tuhin Sinha.

Some of the Indian posters here just like to make things up based on their assumptions. Their words don't match with what official spokespeople say.

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Looking at how much India imports from China versus how little it exports back, I have to ask one question are we China's trading partner or a subscribed colony? :inti
An imbalance in trade between two countries does not mean that the side that is exporting more is colonizing the other. India is buying more from China than what China does from India. But both of them are paying for whatever they buy from each other. So it is trade and not colonization. China isn't loaning stuff to India like what they are doing to Pakistan.

Saudi Arabia has imbalanced trade with almost every country they trade with, thanks to all the oil they ship everywhere. Going by your question, most western countries should be colonies of Saudi Arabia, but that's not the case.
 
Great video on how China is dominating India and how India have their priorities wrong. :inti


 
Great video on how China is dominating India and how India have their priorities wrong. :inti



India, Indian public (those online in particular), their media, and their government, are all about optics. Not sure where it comes from, but for some reason they love to boast and brag online, and it's all about optics. People from Pakistan knew this long ago, but now even people in the west are noticing this.

You can see some of them online boasting how China is their competition and Pakistan isn't even comparable to them. Meanwhile, they're barely ahead of Pakistan (that too only in some instances), while China is 5x+ ahead of them. It actually gets worse than that. After the barbs that were traded with Canada, they were literally talking trash about Canada like India is ahead of Canada. Seriously, here's a country that competes with Europe, US, Australia etc on quality of life and these people are trashing it, suggesting India is a better place to live, because of political issues. I also remember them talking about Mexico like it was some bronze age country when it came to quality of life, meanwhile it has GDP per capita 3-4x of India.

I have no idea where this insane level of arrogance comes from, but if anything it's helping Pakistan and China given Indians are completely deluded about themselves.

P.S. watch them make some irrelevant point about Pakistan, China or BD or some other country.
 
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You can see some of them online boasting how China is their competition and Pakistan isn't even comparable to them. Meanwhile, they're barely ahead of Pakistan (that too only in some instances),
Really? Can you give some metrics of development where -

1. India is just barely ahead of Pakistan?

2. Pakistan is ahead of India?

@cricketjoshila
 
India, Indian public (those online in particular), their media, and their government, are all about optics. Not sure where it comes from, but for some reason they love to boast and brag online, and it's all about optics. People from Pakistan knew this long ago, but now even people in the west are noticing this.

You can see some of them online boasting how China is their competition and Pakistan isn't even comparable to them. Meanwhile, they're barely ahead of Pakistan (that too only in some instances), while China is 5x+ ahead of them. It actually gets worse than that. After the barbs that were traded with Canada, they were literally talking trash about Canada like India is ahead of Canada. Seriously, here's a country that competes with Europe, US, Australia etc on quality of life and these people are trashing it, suggesting India is a better place to live, because of political issues. I also remember them talking about Mexico like it was some bronze age country when it came to quality of life, meanwhile it has GDP per capita 3-4x of India.

I have no idea where this insane level of arrogance comes from, but if anything it's helping Pakistan and China given Indians are completely deluded about themselves.

P.S. watch them make some irrelevant point about Pakistan, China or BD or some other country.
Wont argue the optics part, a lot of hype-up media and people in India are all about that.

But, economy size, almost double the GDP per capita, growth rate, education, healthcare, that's barely ahead? Are you even honest yourself here before you accuse Indians of the same?
 
India, Indian public (those online in particular), their media, and their government, are all about optics. Not sure where it comes from, but for some reason they love to boast and brag online, and it's all about optics. People from Pakistan knew this long ago, but now even people in the west are noticing this.

You can see some of them online boasting how China is their competition and Pakistan isn't even comparable to them. Meanwhile, they're barely ahead of Pakistan (that too only in some instances), while China is 5x+ ahead of them. It actually gets worse than that. After the barbs that were traded with Canada, they were literally talking trash about Canada like India is ahead of Canada. Seriously, here's a country that competes with Europe, US, Australia etc on quality of life and these people are trashing it, suggesting India is a better place to live, because of political issues. I also remember them talking about Mexico like it was some bronze age country when it came to quality of life, meanwhile it has GDP per capita 3-4x of India.

I have no idea where this insane level of arrogance comes from, but if anything it's helping Pakistan and China given Indians are completely deluded about themselves.

P.S. watch them make some irrelevant point about Pakistan, China or BD or some other country.

Agree with everything you have written. Top post.

Modern day India is all about optics and gimmicks. Here is a line from the video which I found accurate --> "They are like a kid boasting about winning a race except they are running barefoot on broken glass."

:inti
 
Really? Can you give some metrics of development where -

1. India is just barely ahead of Pakistan?

2. Pakistan is ahead of India?

@cricketjoshila
As expected, you will nitpick particular points rather than the broader point. The cavalry mhst be called to defend India.

Barely ahead: the best measure are things like HDI. Some metrics Pakistan does better in is poverty. My point was India is much closer to Pakistan than it is to China. And the data shows that.
 
Wont argue the optics part, a lot of hype-up media and people in India are all about that.

But, economy size, almost double the GDP per capita, growth rate, education, healthcare, that's barely ahead? Are you even honest yourself here before you accuse Indians of the same?
I am going to make a brief response, and if you want to start a full debate then start a new thread. Pakistan has much larger underground economy than India. This is because India has done a much better job at online payment systems, and is better able to track the size of the economy. Pakistan has not done that, so all the cash transactions don't count unless deported (they are usually not). Same thing with Bangladesh. The ultimate measure of quality of life are measures like HDI, and India is indeed barely ahead.

Now, if you want to start a full debate/discussion, start a new thread. I am not interested in derailing this further as that would be dream come true for Indians.
 
As expected, you will nitpick particular points rather than the broader point. The cavalry mhst be called to defend India.

Barely ahead: the best measure are things like HDI. Some metrics Pakistan does better in is poverty. My point was India is much closer to Pakistan than it is to China. And the data shows that.
Excuse me, you made that post. Those are words from the horse's mouth. You didn't reply to them.

Poverty? This is from your own country's site -



Regarding India, read this -

 
I am going to make a brief response, and if you want to start a full debate then start a new thread. Pakistan has much larger underground economy than India. This is because India has done a much better job at online payment systems, and is better able to track the size of the economy. Pakistan has not done that, so all the cash transactions don't count unless deported (they are usually not). Same thing with Bangladesh. The ultimate measure of quality of life are measures like HDI, and India is indeed barely ahead.

Now, if you want to start a full debate/discussion, start a new thread. I am not interested in derailing this further as that would be dream come true for Indians.
I would just add that even HDI and poverty criteria you mentioned, India is more than barely ahead, there's quite a substantial gulf for countries that were neck and neck a decade or so ago.

I'll skip the undocumented, underground economy discussion too, if it exists, good for you.
 
Excuse me, you made that post. Those are words from the horse's mouth. You didn't reply to them.

Poverty? This is from your own country's site -



Regarding India, read this -

One more link from World Bank -

 
Since discussion is about HDI:

India loses big time because of life expectancy compared to others and need serious focus on health.
Bangladesh was improving dramatically for the last decade, with Islamists taking hold, it will be easy slide down and blaming India for all the ills.
Pakistan is basically the sick man in sick region of South Asia.

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As usual the discussion about Indian dominance of South Asia end up being about the failures of Pakistan. If that is what you call dominance, it's no wonder India still looks like a third world dump same as every other part of the subcontinent.
 
India will never dominate the world because, culturally and mentally, Indians just don’t have what it takes. A recent article pointed out that only 100 million Indians have disposable income, which says a lot about the country’s economic reality. If most of the population is struggling financially, the idea of India becoming a global superpower is just not realistic.

Instead of looking outward, India seems obsessed with dominating the areas that were part of pre partition India. It’s like they’re still stuck in the past, the Mughal era. With the Muslim population growing fast, India will likely stay caught up in its own internal struggles rather than setting its sights on global influence.

The Western politicians likes to hype up India as a way to counter China, selling them military gear and making a profit. But let’s be real, no one actually believes India can compete with China. China is decades (~30 years) ahead in technology, military power, and economy. India isn’t even in the same race.

On top of that, India’s global image isn’t doing it any favors. Over the last 15 years, Indians from India have become widely mocked in the West for poor hygiene, cultural habits, and the rise of Indian run scams. These perceptions only make it harder for India to gain real influence internationally.

At the end of the day, India just isn’t built for world domination. The fact that Indians constantly compare themselves to Pakistan says it all, they know they’re not global contenders. Their real ambition seems to be about controlling Muslims from pre partition India rather than actually leading the world.
 
South Asian Countries - India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan, Maldives, and Afghanistan. :kp

The defining picture here is that all of them look the same. So much so that, Indians focus on Pakistan suggests that Pakistan is the biggest rival. :unsure:
 
India will never dominate the world because, culturally and mentally, Indians just don’t have what it takes. A recent article pointed out that only 100 million Indians have disposable income, which says a lot about the country’s economic reality. If most of the population is struggling financially, the idea of India becoming a global superpower is just not realistic.

Instead of looking outward, India seems obsessed with dominating the areas that were part of pre partition India. It’s like they’re still stuck in the past, the Mughal era. With the Muslim population growing fast, India will likely stay caught up in its own internal struggles rather than setting its sights on global influence.

The Western politicians likes to hype up India as a way to counter China, selling them military gear and making a profit. But let’s be real, no one actually believes India can compete with China. China is decades (~30 years) ahead in technology, military power, and economy. India isn’t even in the same race.

On top of that, India’s global image isn’t doing it any favors. Over the last 15 years, Indians from India have become widely mocked in the West for poor hygiene, cultural habits, and the rise of Indian run scams. These perceptions only make it harder for India to gain real influence internationally.

At the end of the day, India just isn’t built for world domination. The fact that Indians constantly compare themselves to Pakistan says it all, they know they’re not global contenders. Their real ambition seems to be about controlling Muslims from pre partition India rather than actually leading the world.
Well said. China is out of our reach. No comparison. :inti
 
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