India's young fast bowling factory - 38 better bowlers than Naseem Shah?

[KingKhanWC]

I have to admit I dont watch Indian cricket unless it's ICC tournaments.

Always thought India struggled to produce fast bowlers compared to Pakistan but today I have been told on another thread.

There are "38 better bowlers than Naseem" in India right now.
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] Please do list the names, I really want to find some footage of them bowling.

Or can anyone else help him?

 

[Rana]

I have to admit I dont watch Indian cricket unless it's ICC tournaments.

Always thought India struggled to produce fast bowlers compared to Pakistan but today I have been told on another thread.

There are "38 better bowlers than Naseem" in India right now.

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] Please do list the names, I really want to find some footage of them bowling.

Or can anyone else help him?

My kind of thread

Bring on the crazy 38

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Following this thread eagerly.

 

[KingKhanWC]

My kind of thread

Bring on the crazy 38

I think it's great if India has started to produce so many young fast bowlers, faster than Naseem. He is 19 odd and bending his back can get to 150k.

Have you seen any footage?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Naseem averages 38 with the ball and plays only 1 format. I know he's potentially the next Malcolm Marshall and everything but after years of the Aamir hype and him ending up with a test record comparable to Umesh Yadav, I thought PPers would know better

 

[KingKhanWC]

Naseem averages 38 with the ball and plays only 1 format. I know he's potentially the next Malcolm Marshall and everything but after years of the Aamir hype and him ending up with a test record comparable to Umesh Yadav, I thought PPers would know better

He's young and learning but this thread isnt about him.

We need to know who these dozens of young fast bowlers in India are.. Can you give any names please?

 

[Muddaser]

Naseem averages 38 with the ball and plays only 1 format. I know he's potentially the next Malcolm Marshall and everything but after years of the Aamir hype and him ending up with a test record comparable to Umesh Yadav, I thought PPers would know better

Right so Aamir being a disappointment means Naseem will be too?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

He's young and learning but this thread isnt about him.

We need to know who these dozens of young fast bowlers in India are.. Can you give any names please?

You specifically asked for 38 bowlers better than Naseem. But what metrics are we even using for comparison. Youth and genetic potential?

 

[hur rizvi]

There are '38 better bowlers' than Naseem's current version in any serious cricket playing country including Pakistan

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Right so Aamir being a disappointment means Naseem will be too?

No. Because potentially Pakistan had great bowlers hypothetically in Wahab, Aamir, Asif, etc. and none of them even took 150 wickets. In fact, since Waqar no one has even lasted long enough for 200. So maybe comparing young bowlers with potential alone is something Ppers need to stop clinging on to.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You specifically asked for 38 bowlers better than Naseem. But what metrics are we even using for comparison. Youth and genetic potential?

Sure, lets stick to speed. Speed doesnt always mean better but I didnt use the word better to link with speed it was Mamoon.

Im really interested in faster bolwers than him in India, as growing up I couldn't understand why Pak had fast bowlers and India didnt, I still cant to some extent. This is great news for India, can you name at least 6 faster younger bowlers than Naseem in India?

 

[Rana]

No. Because potentially Pakistan had great bowlers hypothetically in Wahab, Aamir, Asif, etc. and none of them even took 150 wickets. In fact, since Waqar no one has even lasted long enough for 200. So maybe comparing young bowlers with potential alone is something Ppers need to stop clinging on to.

Scholar right here guys,

Please list the 38

 

[Muddaser]

No. Because potentially Pakistan had great bowlers hypothetically in Wahab, Aamir, Asif, etc. and none of them even took 150 wickets. In fact, since Waqar no one has even lasted long enough for 200. So maybe comparing young bowlers with potential alone is something Ppers need to stop clinging on to.

How many matches played between them?

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Still waiting on the 38 names. Also, I would have been happy with just 36.

 

[Mobashir]

I have to admit I dont watch Indian cricket unless it's ICC tournaments.

Always thought India struggled to produce fast bowlers compared to Pakistan but today I have been told on another thread.

There are "38 better bowlers than Naseem" in India right now.

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] Please do list the names, I really want to find some footage of them bowling.

Or can anyone else help him?

It's probably just 36*. I am sure you got it wrong.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Sure, lets stick to speed. Speed doesnt always mean better but I didnt use the word better to link with speed it was Mamoon.

Im really interested in faster bolwers than him in India, as growing up I couldn't understand why Pak had fast bowlers and India didnt, I still cant to some extent. This is great news for India, can you name at least 6 faster younger bowlers than Naseem in India?

Naseem's average speed in this test was 136 kph in this test or maybe a little less. I don't watch Indian domestic and i'm not sure there are speed guns that measure the pace of bowlers there. Although in international cricket. i'm not sure how it matters if someone is younger or not.

 

[Rana]

Average speed of 136 in Tests is GOAT Indian level I believe

 

[Rajdeep]

OP is clearly lying. On the 'T20 team of the decade' thread he got emotional first, brought Naseem into discussion and claimed that 17 year old Naseem is better & faster than all Indian bowlers. The conversation flown from there and now he wants to know 38 bowlers better than Naseem. Lol.

 

[ethan hunt]

Naseem's average speed in this test was 136 kph in this test or maybe a little less. I don't watch Indian domestic and i'm not sure there are speed guns that measure the pace of bowlers there. Although in international cricket. i'm not sure how it matters if someone is younger or not.

No indian first team bowler has bowled at a quicker average speed than naseem since his debut even if you include this test. Let alone 38 domestic geniuses.

 

[Rana]

[MENTION=113824]Nikhil_cric[/MENTION] just mentioned in a separate thread:

“Harris Rauf’s economy would be 14-15 runs per over in The IPL”

Rauf’s international economy is 8.5. His Domestic T20 economy is 8.0

Basically for most Indians, IPL/Indian cricket is twice as good as International cricket. They will most certainly be able to name 38 better bowlers than Naseem.

 

[ethan hunt]

[MENTION=113824]Nikhil_cric[/MENTION] just mentioned in a separate thread:

“Harris Rauf’s economy would be 14-15 runs per over in The IPL”

Rauf’s international economy is 8.5. His Domestic T20 economy is 8.0

Basically for most Indians, IPL/Indian cricket is twice as good as International cricket. They will most certainly be able to name 38 better bowlers than Naseem.

Dont know about Rauf but Bumrah has an economy rate of 10 vs Lahore lions. Lol

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...-match-qualifying-group-763579/full-scorecard

 

[Nikhil_cric]

No indian first team bowler has bowled at a quicker average speed than naseem since his debut even if you include this test. Let alone 38 domestic geniuses.

He has bowled in a grand total of 11 innings and doesn't even play any other format. You are comparing with bowlers who have bowled a lot more than that. Wait till Naseem plays a similar amount of cricket before celebrating his average speed.

 

[KingKhanWC]

OP is clearly lying. On the 'T20 team of the decade' thread he got emotional first, brought Naseem into discussion and claimed that 17 year old Naseem is better & faster than all Indian bowlers. The conversation flown from there and now he wants to know 38 bowlers better than Naseem. Lol.

I have no need to lie. Here is the quote in simple enough English for all

"Give me a day and I will name you 38 better bowlers than Naseem. All I need to do is look at the squad of each Indian FC team. "

Do you know of even 6 faster young Indian bowlers?

Can someone give me any names or its simply not true?

 

[El Generico]

This is interesting. Please name the 38 bowlers. Would love to see some clips

 

[El Generico]

[MENTION=113824]Nikhil_cric[/MENTION] just mentioned in a separate thread:

“Harris Rauf’s economy would be 14-15 runs per over in The IPL”

Rauf’s international economy is 8.5. His Domestic T20 economy is 8.0

Basically for most Indians, IPL/Indian cricket is twice as good as International cricket. They will most certainly be able to name 38 better bowlers than Naseem.

Lol these guys are at some next level of delusions. IIRC a few seasons ago some unknown bowlers from Australia(Tye I think) dominated the IPL but Rauf would for 15 rpo lol.

 

[Rana]

Lol these guys are at some next level of delusions. IIRC a few seasons ago some unknown bowlers from Australia(Tye I think) dominated the IPL but Rauf would for 15 rpo lol.

He is an active participant in this thread, maybe he can clarify his stance on this...

 

[Suleiman]

Compare the statistics of Indian test pacers and Pakistani test pacers in Asia and outside Asia in the last 5 years, it will give you an idea of where the two countries stand in terms of pace bowling.

May not answer the question in the thread title but still give you at least some metric on where everything stands.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Found one guys! Some say he has fire like pace of 140k+!

Kamlesh Nagarkoti

Is he India answer to Shoaib Akhtar?

 

[globalcitizen]

Personally I don’t like under 20 bowlers to be pushed into international cricket. By the time they are in mid 20s they might have got some experience but they might also be broken and having a body of 30 year old

Shaheen might be an exception and has exceptional skills.

I would rather prefer a seasoned 22 plus bowler coming into international cricket.
It’s different for a batsmen of that age but not a bowler

I do think Pakistan has erred here playing a 16 year old bowler in international cricket

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Compare the statistics of Indian test pacers and Pakistani test pacers in Asia and outside Asia in the last 5 years, it will give you an idea of where the two countries stand in terms of pace bowling.

May not answer the question in the thread title but still give you at least some metric on where everything stands.

Since April 1, 2015 the averages are

PAK pacers in Asia - 30.28
Indian pacers in Asia - 25.34

PAK pacers in SENA - 36.39
IND pacers in SENA - 25.96

 

[KingKhanWC]

I don’t think this thread is necessary. No country can boast of that many bowlers of international quality. I don’t understand you picking a single post from another thread, generalising it and creating a whole new thread. ����*

As I stated I dont watch Indian cricket and my first love has always been fast bowling, grew up with IK, Akram, Waqar, Shoaib etc.

A poster ended my ignorancy by telling me there are many faster younge Indian bolwers than Naseem. I just want to watch some of them bowl. Are you Indian and do you know of any more?

Look I just watched this, really good viewing, his coach even says he bowls 150k plus! Wow. Is this true?

 

[Titan24]

Naseem averages 38 with the ball and plays only 1 format. I know he's potentially the next Malcolm Marshall and everything but after years of the Aamir hype and him ending up with a test record comparable to Umesh Yadav, I thought PPers would know better

Bhuvneshwar Kumar averages close to 35 in ODI cricket after 114 matches at 30 years of age and the way some posters take his name, one would imagine he is next Wasim Akram or something.

Ishant Sharma averaged in mid to high 30s after around almost 50-60 Test matches and he still kept on playing for India.

Indian bowling attack has been pretty good in the last few years due to couple of quality couple of quality pacers and even Ishant standing up in the twilight of his career (Needed experience of over 70 tests matches to find his feet) but, that being said every other pacer cant be sold as Westindian pacers from their peak.

 

[Hasan123]

I think a lot of Pakistan think if a bowler is from Pakistan, they are instantly better than an Indian one. This is not the case. India success in international cricket in recent times is due to their bowling as much as their batting.

We need to stop acting like India can't produce quality bowlers. Because they are starting to produce some. Pakistan have the better overall legacy, but in recent years India have produced better bowlers.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Bhuvneshwar Kumar averages close to 35 in ODI cricket after 114 matches at 30 years of age and the way some posters take his name, one would imagine he is next Wasim Akram or something.

Ishant Sharma averaged in mid to high 30s after around almost 50-60 Test matches and he still kept on playing for India.

Indian bowling attack has been pretty good in the last few years due to couple of quality couple of quality pacers and even Ishant standing up in the twilight of his career (Needed experience of over 70 tests matches to find his feet) but, that being said every other pacer cant be sold as Westindian pacers from their peak.

Literally no one even brought up Bhuvaneshwar's name here let alone compare him to Akram.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I think a lot of Pakistan think if a bowler is from Pakistan, they are instantly better than an Indian one. This is not the case. India success in international cricket in recent times is due to their bowling as much as their batting.

We need to stop acting like India can't produce quality bowlers. Because they are starting to produce some. Pakistan have the better overall legacy, but in recent years India have produced better bowlers.

As a big watcher/supporter of Indian cricket, this is all well and good what you have written but do you have any names of these up and coming bowlers who are faster than the likes of Naseem?

Ive looked into this guy now, Kamlesh Nagarkoti, his coach is deluded if the thinks he bowls anyhwere near 150k. He bowled 140k ish, hurt his back. He says he wants to be known as Indias fastest bowler but He would probably break his back for good if he tries 150k.

 

[globalcitizen]

As I stated I dont watch Indian cricket and my first love has always been fast bowling, grew up with IK, Akram, Waqar, Shoaib etc.

A poster ended my ignorancy by telling me there are many faster younge Indian bolwers than Naseem. I just want to watch some of them bowl. Are you Indian and do you know of any more?

Look I just watched this, really good viewing, his coach even says he bowls 150k plus! Wow. Is this true?

I watch a bit of domestic cricket if I find highlights. This guy and Mavi made waves in u19 tournament but injuries played a part and don’t think they are in reckoning but they are fast

U need to understand that the Indian structure is such a way that new guys will emerge out of any grade level
At a time 3 or 4 fast bowlers can play for national team, so if there are too many prospects many will feel left out, so ideally u don’t need that scenario
So all the system needs to do is churn another 2 good bowlers in next 2 or 3 years by time bumrah Shami and others are fizzling and be effective

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I have to admit I dont watch Indian cricket unless it's ICC tournaments.

Always thought India struggled to produce fast bowlers compared to Pakistan but today I have been told on another thread.

There are "38 better bowlers than Naseem" in India right now.

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] Please do list the names, I really want to find some footage of them bowling.

Or can anyone else help him?

38 is too much. Let's bring down this number to 36.

 

[Titan24]

Literally no one even brought up Bhuvaneshwar's name here let alone compare him to Akram.

When you bring up a name of a teenage bowler playing his 7th-8th test and quoting his average to show how poor he is and is being hyped than it was only pertinent to mention the records and progress of some regular pacers from India (A team which has done well in last few years) as well.

Thing is young players are hyped by India as well big time and this thing happens in other sports around the world as well.

 

[The cricket enthusiast]

really excited to see the list

 

[globalcitizen]

As a big watcher/supporter of Indian cricket, this is all well and good what you have written but do you have any names of these up and coming bowlers who are faster than the likes of Naseem?

Ive looked into this guy now, Kamlesh Nagarkoti, his coach is deluded if the thinks he bowls anyhwere near 150k. He bowled 140k ish, hurt his back. He says he wants to be known as Indias fastest bowler but He would probably break his back for good if he tries 150k.

He did bowl 149 something at 18 yrs in u19 world cup.
Watch this video Ian bishop is talking about him with excitement

https://youtu.be/VJHaIJPf-ss

Coming to this coach, any coach will try to advertise their disciple in most deluded way.. don’t take it personally

 

[KingKhanWC]

I watch a bit of domestic cricket if I find highlights. This guy and Mavi made waves in u19 tournament but injuries played a part and don’t think they are in reckoning but they are fast

U need to understand that the Indian structure is such a way that new guys will emerge out of any grade level
At a time 3 or 4 fast bowlers can play for national team, so if there are too many prospects many will feel left out, so ideally u don’t need that scenario
So all the system needs to do is churn another 2 good bowlers in next 2 or 3 years by time bumrah Shami and others are fizzling and be effective

Feel for the kid then, he wanted to known as Indias fastest.

Any names of any 2 or 3 up coming bowlers who can emmulate Bumrah and Shami?

 

[Rana]

As a big watcher/supporter of Indian cricket, this is all well and good what you have written but do you have any names of these up and coming bowlers who are faster than the likes of Naseem?

Ive looked into this guy now, Kamlesh Nagarkoti, his coach is deluded if the thinks he bowls anyhwere near 150k. He bowled 140k ish, hurt his back. He says he wants to be known as Indias fastest bowler but He would probably break his back for good if he tries 150k.

In the U19 World Cup where Nagarkoti and Mavi both played against Pakistan...Shaheen and Musa also clocked 150kmh in the same game. The speed guns in that tournament were incorrect

When Shaheen emerged into the Men’s side, he was hovering around the 135-138 mark. It took him a year or so to strengthen up to 145 which he is right now.

Mavi and Nagarkoti were 138-142 on average in the IPL and would occasionally bowl the odd 146k delivery. Particularly Nagarkoti.

They are decent for Indian pace standards but only time will tell if they will become stronger and faster or deteriorate

 

[Hasan123]

As a big watcher/supporter of Indian cricket, this is all well and good what you have written but do you have any names of these up and coming bowlers who are faster than the likes of Naseem?

Ive looked into this guy now, Kamlesh Nagarkoti, his coach is deluded if the thinks he bowls anyhwere near 150k. He bowled 140k ish, hurt his back. He says he wants to be known as Indias fastest bowler but He would probably break his back for good if he tries 150k.

I am a Pakistan fan btw.

The upcoming Indian bowlers are not ready for international cricket, Indian management is not unprofessional like Pakistan management who will throw a player who isn't ready into international cricket.

Naseem is overhyped but he is not ready for international cricket hence he is getting carted everywhere.

 

[KingKhanWC]

He did bowl 149 something at 18 yrs in u19 world cup.
Watch this video Ian bishop is talking about him with excitement

https://youtu.be/VJHaIJPf-ss

Coming to this coach, any coach will try to advertise their disciple in most deluded way.. don’t take it personally

Thanks , its an ICC video, take it with a pinch of salt. 145k is impressive at a young age but no way could he bowl 150k, the extra 5k is like another muscle needed in the body. The problem is he has broken down. Even I could hit 140k in my younger days without much coaching but the pain in the body was too much to continue. Bowling at fast speeds for a few years consistantly is impressive, to do what Akthar did bowl for 15 years at 150k+ is on another level. A serious such injury it will lose you pace immediatley.

 

[Titan24]

No. Because potentially Pakistan had great bowlers hypothetically in Wahab, Aamir, Asif, etc. and none of them even took 150 wickets. In fact, since Waqar no one has even lasted long enough for 200. So maybe comparing young bowlers with potential alone is something Ppers need to stop clinging on to.

Ofcourse playing no cricket at home and playing on UAE surfaces for 11 years is no disadvantage.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

[MENTION=113824]Nikhil_cric[/MENTION] just mentioned in a separate thread:

“Harris Rauf’s economy would be 14-15 runs per over in The IPL”

Rauf’s international economy is 8.5. His Domestic T20 economy is 8.0

Basically for most Indians, IPL/Indian cricket is twice as good as International cricket. They will most certainly be able to name 38 better bowlers than Naseem.

Twice as good would have been if he said 10-12. 15 an over, that’s a league beyond. Should stop playing all other forms of cricket

 

[globalcitizen]

Feel for the kid then, he wanted to known as Indias fastest.

Any names of any 2 or 3 up coming bowlers who can emmulate Bumrah and Shami?

As I said not many I see but they can emerge out of any grade level all of a sudden. I guess mrf pace academy plays a huge part.
To note Karthik tyagi , Akash Singh a left armer , mavi might be the prospects to look for

 

[ahmedzee]

OP needs to understand that he is taking another poster who has an inferiority complex, too seriously. Lol
Don’t take that posters comments seriously KingKhan! You know that everything he mentions comes out of his backside.

 

[globalcitizen]

Thanks , its an ICC video, take it with a pinch of salt. 145k is impressive at a young age but no way could he bowl 150k, the extra 5k is like another muscle needed in the body. The problem is he has broken down. Even I could hit 140k in my younger days without much coaching but the pain in the body was too much to continue. Bowling at fast speeds for a few years consistantly is impressive, to do what Akthar did bowl for 15 years at 150k+ is on another level. A serious such injury it will lose you pace immediatley.

That is why I said he is not a 150k bowler and also not preferable to bowl like that with his height
I would rather prefer him being a quick 140k bowler with good line and length
But my hopes are low because although he is fit now, he has a bad back
Mavi injury is not career threatening though

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Ofcourse playing no cricket at home and playing on UAE surfaces for 11 years is no disadvantage.

Waqar debuted in 89. Pakistam stopped playing at home in 09. Aamir barely played tests in the UAE and Wahab barely played there either.

 

[globalcitizen]

Ofcourse playing no cricket at home and playing on UAE surfaces for 11 years is no disadvantage.

What is advantage of being a fast bowler in Pakistan? Please enlighten us
If you think only because of reverse swing, with introduction of new ball at 80 overs that advantage is nullified now
So Pakistan dint miss anything other than home support which I agree is something you don’t want to miss

 

[Titan24]

Waqar debuted in 89. Pakistam stopped playing at home in 09. Aamir barely played tests in the UAE and Wahab barely played there either.

Yes Pak stopped playing at home in 09 and it was in 2003 or so was when both Waqar and Wasim retired.

 

[KingKhanWC]

OP needs to understand that he is taking another poster who has an inferiority complex, too seriously. Lol
Don’t take that posters comments seriously KingKhan! You know that everything he mentions comes out of his backside.

I know bro lol. However this a serious thread, i love seeing young fast bowlers and if India is now producing them like a factory, something must have changed in their country. So far only one name which I had to find myself.

That is why I said he is not a 150k bowler and also not preferable to bowl like that with his height
I would rather prefer him being a quick 140k bowler with good line and length
But my hopes are low because although he is fit now, he has a bad back
Mavi injury is not career threatening though

Fast bowlers need to bowl overs and overs, their bodies will kind of mould into place helping them to stay fit esp when bending their backs. Playing short formats is very dangerous for fast bowlers, to bowl all out for 4 overs causes niggles when the body isnt strong enough to hold such speeds. If India does have young fast bowlers playing, they really need to be cared for carefully but mostly let them bowl 20 overs a day on a regular basis in matches and not in nets. Paks greatest fasts bowlers all played in country cricket, it's no coincidence they were able to continue to bowl quick for 15 years or so.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Yes Pak stopped playing at home in 09 and it was in 2003 or so was when both Waqar and Wasim retired.

The point is pakistan haven't developed a fast bowler who has taken more than akhtar 178 since '89 and the UAE excuse is a poor one.

 

[Titan24]

What is advantage of being a fast bowler in Pakistan? Please enlighten us
If you think only because of reverse swing, with introduction of new ball at 80 overs that advantage is nullified now
So Pakistan dint miss anything other than home support which I agree is something you don’t want to miss

Wickets a much more faster than in UAE and some wickets are pretty supportive for pacers like Pindi. Other advantage is playing your knowing the lengths to ball (Which every team gets) when you are playing at home to hit the areas around top of off as you are used to playing on those surfaces is domestic cricket. I hope you are enlightened.

Irrespective of oppositions, Shaheen averages 21 and Naseem averages 23 in Pakistan.

 

[Saj]

Guys keep on topic.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Wickets a much more faster than in UAE and some wickets are pretty supportive for pacers like Pindi. Other advantage is playing your knowing the lengths to ball (Which every team gets) when you are playing at home to hit the areas around top of off as you are used to playing on those surfaces is domestic cricket. I hope you are enlightened.

Irrespective of oppositions, Shaheen averages 21 and Naseem averages 23 in Pakistan.

Against Bangladesh and SL.

 

[Titan24]

The point is pakistan haven't developed a fast bowler who has taken more than akhtar 178 since '89 and the UAE excuse is a poor one.

A poor excuse because it disturbs your narrative? Even majority of the best pacers of the last decade have struggled in UAE with that slow and low wickets. Everyone knows spinners had to do the main job to get those 20 wickets,.

 

[Titan24]

Against Bangladesh and SL.

Thats why I said irrespective. So SA pacers are worse than Shaheen and Naseem? Srl doesnt seem to be struggling much in SA and scored runs even against Steyn, Philander and Rabada attack on their last tour.

 

[globalcitizen]

Wickets a much more faster than in UAE and some wickets are pretty supportive for pacers like Pindi. Other advantage is playing your knowing the lengths to ball (Which every team gets) when you are playing at home to hit the areas around top of off as you are used to playing on those surfaces is domestic cricket. I hope you are enlightened.

Irrespective of oppositions, Shaheen averages 21 and Naseem averages 23 in Pakistan.

There is a difference of 1 hour of play in morning offering something to bowlers compared to consistently offering something to bowlers in SENA countries.
Most fast bowlers from sub continent would always prefer bowling there rather than in India.
Spinners will always be dominant in sub continent

 

[Titan24]

There is a difference of 1 hour of play in morning offering something to bowlers compared to consistently offering something to bowlers in SENA countries.
Most fast bowlers from sub continent would always prefer bowling there rather than in India.
Spinners will always be dominant in sub continent

That doesnt change the fact the wickets in UAE are really slow in comparison to even other sub continental wickets which take pacers out of the equations on majority of the times.

 

[NoBallZombie]

This is a great thread!

I have always been curious to know what kind of pace prospects India has. For a good number of years, a lot of Indian posters keep mentioning how they have 150+ pacers toiling in domestics but they never seem to come to the national team. 38 is probably a huge number, I would be surprised if there are 5 promising lads there.

On the contrary, I think even our Indian brothers can list at least 10 names in Pakistani domestic circuit that have some serious potential.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

The point is pakistan haven't developed a fast bowler who has taken more than akhtar 178 since '89 and the UAE excuse is a poor one.

God forbid me saying this but I hope Bumrah, Siraj, and Yadav are banned tomorrow for spot fixing for 5 years so you know exactly what kind of equivalence you’re drawing.

Then I hope Nagarkoti and Saini get Test callups and are forced to bowl in the UAE for the next 9 years.

 

[NoBallZombie]

Someone asked how UAE is different to Pakistan? Well for starters, a lot of Pakistani pitches are quick specially the pindi one, you will find teams stacking their lineup with bowlers. UAE was slow and low and is an absolute graveyard for fast bowlers and I think that is one major reason we have managed to destroy Junaid Khan... whereas there is no pitch in Pakistan that you can equate to the ones in UAE. So in short, Pak pitches aid both reverse AND conventional swing and hence you see a lot of bowlers develop those skills earlier.

 

[NoBallZombie]

God forbid me saying this but I hope Bumrah, Siraj, and Yadav are banned tomorrow for spot fixing for 5 years so you know exactly what kind of equivalence you’re drawing.

Then I hope Nagarkoti and Saini get Test callups and are forced to bowl in the UAE for the next 9 years.

Every team needs a pace spear head and Bumrah is that solid one. If Bumrah (and to some extent Shami) are removed from the equation, the whole line up would suffer and so would any aspiring fast bowlers. I dont rate Umesh at all and he is basically a Sohail khan for their line up.

 

[Titan24]

Someone asked how UAE is different to Pakistan? Well for starters, a lot of Pakistani pitches are quick specially the pindi one, you will find teams stacking their lineup with bowlers. UAE was slow and low and is an absolute graveyard for fast bowlers and I think that is one major reason we have managed to destroy Junaid Khan... whereas there is no pitch in Pakistan that you can equate to the ones in UAE. So in short, Pak pitches aid both reverse AND conventional swing and hence you see a lot of bowlers develop those skills earlier.

Exactly.

 

[Titan24]

God forbid me saying this but I hope Bumrah, Siraj, and Yadav are banned tomorrow for spot fixing for 5 years so you know exactly what kind of equivalence you’re drawing.

Then I hope Nagarkoti and Saini get Test callups and are forced to bowl in the UAE for the next 9 years.

Thing is sometimes certain posters dont want to accept any fact as it changes the narrative they have lived by for some years. They will either try to ignore it or try to put forward anything to undermine that.

 

[KingKhanWC]

God forbid me saying this but I hope Bumrah, Siraj, and Yadav are banned tomorrow for spot fixing for 5 years so you know exactly what kind of equivalence you’re drawing.

Then I hope Nagarkoti and Saini get Test callups and are forced to bowl in the UAE for the next 9 years.

Who is this guy, full name? Is he rapid or just a bit speedy?

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Tushar Deshpande - bowls 145

 

[Rana]

Who is this guy, full name? Is he rapid or just a bit speedy?

He went for 70 in 7 overs against Australia in the only match he played

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Kartik Tyagi Bowled 140kph in the u-19 wc

I’ve listed more names than the Indian posters so far

 

[Rajdeep]

He went for 70 in 7 overs against Australia in the only match he played

Well, Naseem Shah also went for close to 100 runs in this ongoing test and took a lucky wicket which was not out. He also avgs 60+ in Aust/Eng. The bowling was so poor in last Aussie summer that it prompted Ponting to say 'Not sure if I have seen worst bowling in our shores'. I am not even mentioning what Ian Chappel had to say about your team previously.

Pretty rich for you to highlight stats of Navdeep Saini.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Who is this guy, full name? Is he rapid or just a bit speedy?

Bit speedy, much of a spraygun. Slower than Naseem (not the NZ version)

 

[cricketjoshila]

God forbid me saying this but I hope Bumrah, Siraj, and Yadav are banned tomorrow for spot fixing for 5 years so you know exactly what kind of equivalence you’re drawing.

Then I hope Nagarkoti and Saini get Test callups and are forced to bowl in the UAE for the next 9 years.

Why will they be banned? Why will India play tests in UAE?

Just because pakistanis and Pakistani authorities mess up things, its a valid excuse?

 

[NoBallZombie]

Why will they be banned? Why will India play tests in UAE?

Just because pakistanis and Pakistani authorities mess up things, its a valid excuse?

You clearly missed the point in that post.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Why will they be banned? Why will India play tests in UAE?

Just because pakistanis and Pakistani authorities mess up things, its a valid excuse?

Yes? Why is it not a valid excuse? Why is it difficult for an Indian to accept that Pakistan is still the land of pace and swing, only difference is the current generation of pacers and swingers were caught and the last generation wasn’t?

Again, I repeat, let me see Bumrah, Siraj, Shami banned and we can both observe then how India or any other nation without their top bowlers fares.

 

[JaDed]

Yes? Why is it not a valid excuse? Why is it difficult for an Indian to accept that Pakistan is still the land of pace and swing, only difference is the current generation of pacers and swingers were caught and the last generation wasn’t?

Again, I repeat, let me see Bumrah, Siraj, Shami banned and we can both observe then how India or any other nation without their top bowlers fares.

So in your logic Swing/Pace comes via genes??

 

[NoBallZombie]

Well, Naseem Shah also went for close to 100 runs in this ongoing test and took a lucky wicket which was not out. He also avgs 60+ in Aust/Eng. The bowling was so poor in last Aussie summer that it prompted Ponting to say 'Not sure if I have seen worst bowling in our shores'. I am not even mentioning what Ian Chappel had to say about your team previously.

Pretty rich for you to highlight stats of Navdeep Saini.

Good try at posting without too much context:

1. He had at least 2 catches dropped off his bowling, so if he got one lucky wicket .. he also got unlucky with two.

2. The bowling attack had no clear leader. Your bowling attack has a few experienced men and if a new bloke joins them, they automatically feel confident and find support. Pakistan has not had a fixed Test attack for a while.

For the record, no one in Asia gives a hoot about what Ian Chappel says because Aussies have been equally bad in UAE.

 

[NoBallZombie]

So in your logic Swing/Pace comes via genes??

Pace yes.

In addition to the culture/ surroundings conducive to the skills.

 

[JaDed]

Pace yes.

In addition to the culture/ surroundings conducive to the skills.

So how did India’s pace improve then?? Many of our bowlers are able to bowl faster (compared to Indian team of before) in later spells too now..