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That is what the tv reporters are reporting from morning till now that Inzi has been doing plenty of drills with all of the Pakistani batsmen ever since he arrived in SA so he is not necessarily there on a joy ride. Apparently Grant Flower remained quite and mostly observant during the sessions. I wonder how this makes him look
 
Flower shouldn't have been extended. Ideally for me Inzi should be full time batting coach. Selection and team management should go through a single director of national cricket team (similar to England set up, where the team cricket director coordinates and sets the agenda). I wonder with Wasim taking over as MD/CEO we see him install a similar set-up post world cup.
 
Wow, what work ethic, MashAllah. Not only has he been our best CS, he's gone above and beyond his duties. Let us not forget how he forced Mickey and Sarfaraz to clean up their mess in the Asia Cup as well, by personally going there and giving them the ole' hair-dryer treatment.
 
Apparently Inzi also gave the squad a Pep talk as well telling them to forget the test results over the last 2 months and that the next 15 odis are extremely important because in these matches the team has to finalize their combination for the world cup
 
The Viper said:
Inzi should be batting coach. It would be a better use of his skill set.
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Agree. He is actually very knowledgeable on the technicalities of batting as well as the mindsets. PCB always selects the wrong appointment for the role they should actually be in, much like selecting players for the opposite of the form they should be playing in.
 
I said it in 2016:

The PCB is wasting Inzi. He has always been better in a more coaching/mentor role. That's why the Afghan team developed their batting as well before only being known for their pacers.

For the selector role you need a keen follower of the domestic system. Someone like M Wasim, Rashid or Amir Sohail would have been better choices.
 
Sack flower, being in Inzi as batting coach. Pick different cheif selector. Maybe Rashid
 
So, what is Grant Flower exactly doing if a one-off appearance from Inzimam-ul-Haq can cause Pakistan to chase 250 in SA?
 
If chairman of selectors is overseeing drills and practice, then what is role of voaching team?
 
Why not swap the position. Inzi as batting coach and Flower the chief selector. At least Flower will select player by merit.
 
Shafi said:
Why not swap the position. Inzi as batting coach and Flower the chief selector. At least Flower will select player by merit.
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Batting coach will be a demotion for Inzamam. He can't accept the position of a batting coach.
 
Also it could be IK effect. May be he felt pressured to loose his job due to his pathetic selections.
 
I am sorry but this is not his job. What message does it send across to batting coach and players?

Its generally a sign of instability when one man tries to poke his nose in many matters.
 
Yeah, one batting session has solved all the problems. OPs cricket understanding doesn't go further than the kiddish cricket he played in his backyard.

Reality is OP just wants to discredit Flower because he's been mouthing off for the past few weeks and has been humbled.
 
ManFan said:
So, what is Grant Flower exactly doing if a one-off appearance from Inzimam-ul-Haq can cause Pakistan to chase 250 in SA?
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Chief Destroyer said:
Yeah, one batting session has solved all the problems. OPs cricket understanding doesn't go further than the kiddish cricket he played in his backyard.

Reality is OP just wants to discredit Flower because he's been mouthing off for the past few weeks and has been humbled.
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Relax. Just reporting whatever is being reported by the sports reporters all day
 
Madplayer said:
I am sorry but this is not his job. What message does it send across to batting coach and players?

Its generally a sign of instability when one man tries to poke his nose in many matters.
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Inzi has been very patient with the team management. It was on his insistence that Junaid Khan was included in the playing eleven against Bangladesh in Asia Cup. Being a batting legend, it was perfectly alright for him to pass on his knowledge and experience to the batsmen and to do what he can to boost the morale of the squad.

It is his job on the line too based on what the players and team management do
 
Pakistan loses next few games and knives will be iut for inzi again!
 
Savak said:
Inzi has been very patient with the team management. It was on his insistence that Junaid Khan was included in the playing eleven against Bangladesh in Asia Cup. Being a batting legend, it was perfectly alright for him to pass on his knowledge and experience to the batsmen and to do what he can to boost the morale of the squad.

It is his job on the line too based on what the players and team management do
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If you are appointed as a cashier in a company, would you also do the job of store keeper just because he isnt doing great? Its unprofessional.
 
Every body is forgetting about the pitch which we played yesterday .it was asian type pitch type with low bounce.the real test will be next odi in durban where there will be pace and bounce .so we should wait till hyping inzi work some hour with batsmen
 
So what if he came and talked to the batters for 20 minutes, honestly some people...
To think that made the difference yesterday. Really?
If things were that simple eh.
 
This thread is as good or actually as bad as the level of PAK reporters/media.

There was nothing special about this chase. 260 odd was way below par. The bowlers set this up. In fact taking it to the 50th over was a bad performance. Mainly due to Malik and Sarfaraz. Should have chased this with 12 balls to spare or so.

Other problem is babar and imam batting together. You cant chase 300 if 2 players bat at 75 SR. also they tend too bat long which puts pressure on the middle/ lower order.
 
Nothing new.

Inzi was also helping the Pakistani batsmen out in England on the last tour in the presence of Grant Flower.
 
Wow. And not a single poster saw the fault here.


Inzamam is a selector! He is not a coach. He has no business in such matters.

If he takes part in coaching he is ruining the atmosphere of the team camp.

Leave the coaching to the coaches. If you have problem with the coaches then remove them.
 
pakistani pride said:
This thread is as good or actually as bad as the level of PAK reporters/media.

There was nothing special about this chase. 260 odd was way below par. The bowlers set this up. In fact taking it to the 50th over was a bad performance. Mainly due to Malik and Sarfaraz. Should have chased this with 12 balls to spare or so.

Other problem is babar and imam batting together. You cant chase 300 if 2 players bat at 75 SR. also they tend too bat long which puts pressure on the middle/ lower order.
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The fact is they weren't chasing 300 so their strike rate was adequate for the total they were chasing
 
Major said:
Wow. And not a single poster saw the fault here.


Inzamam is a selector! He is not a coach. He has no business in such matters.

If he takes part in coaching he is ruining the atmosphere of the team camp.

Leave the coaching to the coaches. If you have problem with the coaches then remove them.
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[MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION] did point it out.
 
Weird this comes out a day after we chase down a target and look decent enough doing it.

Maybe Inzi's PR campaign has started already...

I wonder if he'd take credit if/when they collapse again and the batsmen fail? :))
 
Inzi should first try to do his job properly for which he is being paid.

Atrocious squad selections is one main reason we lost recent tests.
 
Inzamam is not just our best CS ever, he is also one of our greatest batsmen and a former captain. He can definitely help out the batsmen whenever he feels like it. The fact that some people have a problem with this is very disturbing.

He's not getting paid for this if that is what you guys are fretting over. For God's sake, stop being so pessimistic all the time and recognize this for what it is: An act of charity by a man who has a lot on his plate already.
 
Sherlock said:
Weird this comes out a day after we chase down a target and look decent enough doing it.

Maybe Inzi's PR campaign has started already...

I wonder if he'd take credit if/when they collapse again and the batsmen fail? :))
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I don't see him taking credit for it, do you?
 
Inzamam had the best mentality of any Pakistani batsman I have seen in the last two decades. Positive all the time, Looking to score, nerves of steal and swagger to boot.

I am sure Grant Flower appreciates Inzamam popping in for some advice/ pep talk to the troops - not as a coach but as a former great batsman.

Nobody else's opinion really matters here.
 
when selector walks up to do the coaching duties, the team performs like Australia of 2000s (formidable and unbeatable) I remember the occasion when CS Mohsin Khan became coach they whitewashed England ruthlessly, when rumours come around that Mohsin Khan will be no more as the CS and might be asked to coach the national team after successful test whitewash, the team failed miserably in odis to send him packing....

May the CS should also be the coach then the team keeps performing
 
Inzi would do a better job as batting coach than CS. He was good at picking up length as a better and he knew how to chase .

He could really help our batters mentality.
 
Sherlock said:
Why is he doing drills? That's not his job now is it?
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If I am in the Sales Team of my company and decide to help out my fellow co-workers in the Marketing Team and show an initiative....what would you say to me?

"Please go back to you desk and do your job and let me do mine"

If that's your response, I think someone needs to learn the basics of "collaboration" and "team work".

I rather have a CS who rolls up his sleeves and gets down to do the dirty work in the field to help and show his passion and love towards his team than a CS who just sits at home or in the hotel in AC and eats biryani (e.g. previous CS's)

Which one would you prefer?
 
Yep and if Amla and South Africa had a bit more common sense to push harder to score 300, this thread wouldnt even existed as Pakistan would have struggled to chase that down.

Even 266 was chased in the last over. We made a meal of an easy target on a flat pitch.
 
CricketingMinds said:
If I am in the Sales Team of my company and decide to help out my fellow co-workers in the Marketing Team and show an initiative....what would you say to me?

"Please go back to you desk and do your job and let me do mine"

If that's your response, I think someone needs to learn the basics of "collaboration" and "team work".

I rather have a CS who rolls up his sleeves and gets down to do the dirty work in the field to help and show his passion and love towards his team than a CS who just sits at home or in the hotel in AC and eats biryani (e.g. previous CS's)

Which one would you prefer?
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Nicely said
 
I’ll wait till the World cup finishes and then I’ll come and bump this thread. No way I will accept such article after a win.

Where was this “news” during our test series v SA and NZ? If the training from Inzi only happened once he arrived in SA then no way can batsmen improve so quickly. Lol.
 
CricketingMinds said:
If I am in the Sales Team of my company and decide to help out my fellow co-workers in the Marketing Team and show an initiative....what would you say to me?

"Please go back to you desk and do your job and let me do mine"

If that's your response, I think someone needs to learn the basics of "collaboration" and "team work".

I rather have a CS who rolls up his sleeves and gets down to do the dirty work in the field to help and show his passion and love towards his team than a CS who just sits at home or in the hotel in AC and eats biryani (e.g. previous CS's)

Which one would you prefer?
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He might as well start bowling left arm chinaman to them
In the nets too while giving them slip fielding advice
 
CricketingMinds said:
If I am in the Sales Team of my company and decide to help out my fellow co-workers in the Marketing Team and show an initiative....what would you say to me?

"Please go back to you desk and do your job and let me do mine"

If that's your response, I think someone needs to learn the basics of "collaboration" and "team work".

I rather have a CS who rolls up his sleeves and gets down to do the dirty work in the field to help and show his passion and love towards his team than a CS who just sits at home or in the hotel in AC and eats biryani (e.g. previous CS's)

Which one would you prefer?
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I'm sorry, what? :))

This isn't a Sales Team issue, this is Cricket and Pakistani Cricket at that.

You know how the atmosphere can change and become poisonous when stuff like this happens. Inzi has NO jurisdiction in doing what he's reported to have done. Nada.

Do you see someone from the coaching side/players go to Inzi and tell him "I'll start picking players from now, you can take a backseat..."

It's laughable we're even condoning this just because it's Inzi. He's been nothing short of a failure while he's been in charge of selection, and now he thinks he can take over a job [no matter what you think of Grant Flower] that isn't his.

Wake up, this isn't some Office Job or Sales Team collaboration. :facepalm:
 
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I think one off session with any coach can refresh batsmen and is a good idea. It gives a break from long term coach and brings new/different ideas.
 
gazza619 said:
Yep and if Amla and South Africa had a bit more common sense to push harder to score 300, this thread wouldnt even existed as Pakistan would have struggled to chase that down.

Even 266 was chased in the last over. We made a meal of an easy target on a flat pitch.
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i was more nervous than dressing room:40: in the end
 
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Inzi - Pakistan's next batting coach perhaps?
 
Sherlock said:
I'm sorry, what? :))

This isn't a Sales Team issue, this is Cricket and Pakistani Cricket at that.

You know how the atmosphere can change and become poisonous when stuff like this happens. Inzi has NO jurisdiction in doing what he's reported to have done. Nada.

Do you see someone from the coaching side/players go to Inzi and tell him "I'll start picking players from now, you can take a backseat..."

It's laughable we're even condoning this just because it's Inzi. He's been nothing short of a failure while he's been in charge of selection, and now he thinks he can take over a job [no matter what you think of Grant Flower] that isn't his.

Wake up, this isn't some Office Job or Sales Team collaboration. :facepalm:
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Oh, so your issue, as I understand it, revolves aroud assuming that this is going to poison the atmosphere in the team dressing-room. Well, seeing how no one seems to have a problem with this except people who think Inzamam has been a "failure" at team selection, I think your concerns are unfounded.

Unless of course, Flower called you and complained about Inzamam trying to take over his job?

Do you also have a problem with one of our bowlers going and having a training session with someone like Wasim or Waqar?
 
Pakhs said:
260-270 is current chasing limit for this Pakistan batting line up.
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I think so too, so hope we get a chance to chase 300 when we are 4-0 up.
Though I do think if we got Shan in we can push 285. ( That guy has been in beast mode in list A and the way he was pulling in the tests will be a big help in the first 10 overs as well as his cut
 
Bilal7 said:
Oh, so your issue, as I understand it, revolves aroud assuming that this is going to poison the atmosphere in the team dressing-room. Well, seeing how no one seems to have a problem with this except people who think Inzamam has been a "failure" at team selection, I think your concerns are unfounded.

Unless of course, Flower called you and complained about Inzamam trying to take over his job?

Do you also have a problem with one of our bowlers going and having a training session with someone like Wasim or Waqar?
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You mean the same Inzi that was head of the Oath brigade, that Inzi?

There's one thing speaking to players about stuff they're doing wrong etc, there's another thing given them batting practice while the actual batting coach, who's being paid, is on the sidelines looking on.

Yeah, it's just because he's a crap selector... :))
 
Bilal7 said:
Oh, so your issue, as I understand it, revolves aroud assuming that this is going to poison the atmosphere in the team dressing-room. Well, seeing how no one seems to have a problem with this except people who think Inzamam has been a "failure" at team selection, I think your concerns are unfounded.

Unless of course, Flower called you and complained about Inzamam trying to take over his job?

Do you also have a problem with one of our bowlers going and having a training session with someone like Wasim or Waqar?
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Maybe imam Ul haq suggested him to his team mates and they want the same personalised training Imam has obviously received

It’s not like Imam is a replica copy of Inzamam is it so it could be beneficial for his team mates
My issue is that Inzamam will start running into the field with the drinks soon
He’s a chief selector , he should stick to that
 
I'd like Inzy as a coach, I think his demeanour and talents are suited for it.
 
Saj said:
Inzi - Pakistan's next batting coach perhaps?
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I would like that... swapping Flower with Inzi (hopefully some deal behind close doors) and finding a new CS. Knowing egos of ex-cricketers very unlikely this ll happen.
 
Nothing wrong with him being a batting coach...but maybe leave your current job of chief selector first and then apply if/when there's an opening.

Users on here usually moan about interference from within our own setup and how unprofessional it is and now that Inzi did what he did it's all fine and dandy because he's "rolling up his sleeves and helping" :facepalm:
 
People are fine because his advice has worked/helped in the past...
 
There's nothing wrong with having a chat with the players, tell them where they're going wrong etc. But don't rock up to the nets and have throw-downs while the batting coach is shifted to the sidelines. How do you think that makes Flower feel? How do you think the players will react when Flower tells the players they're doing something wrong?

We're in the middle of a bloody tour and he comes out now? Where was he when before the tour? I don't read anything about him spending his own time, his social time with the players. As I said this came about after the 1st ODI win. It'll be interesting if reports continue to flow if/when we lose a match or the series.

This just shows me he's trying to hide his own shortcoming as a selector by shifting the pressure to the players/staff rather than his own pathetic selections throughout his occupation of the job.

Please, spare me the claptrap.
 
This sort of reporting must be frustrating for Imam.

If he fails he is branded the face of nepotism and is only in the side because of Inzamam.

If he succeeds its only because of an extra net session with Inzamam.

The guy can never get out of his uncle's shadow!
 
100 % right
Totally unprofessional attitude!!!
He may be a great ex player but no right to interfere in other people's job
education and awareness does make you realise and define your boundaries and where not to cross those boundaries
Unfortunately the humble background of most of our stars make that impossible to achieve
When on earth we shall learn professionalism
 
As a great player himself, there is nothing wrong in him giving tips or advice or even working on technique of a few if the players approach him but this is not on. As a selector, his job is to provide the best possible squad to the coach and the captain and leave the rest to the team management.
 
Sherlock said:
You mean the same Inzi that was head of the Oath brigade, that Inzi?

There's one thing speaking to players about stuff they're doing wrong etc, there's another thing given them batting practice while the actual batting coach, who's being paid, is on the sidelines looking on.

Yeah, it's just because he's a crap selector... :))
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Inzamam had nothing to do with oath-gate. It is a blatant lie that any of that took place in his house and I cannot believe that there are still people in 2019 who believe that Inzi was involved in that.

The batting coach has not been sidelined. He's taking a breather and seems quite appreciative of Inzamam's efforts. In fact, he called me and said that he's feeling great at that you should stop worrying about his feelings.

See? I can make a lot of assumptions and sprinkle in some white lies too.
 
So we have what actually happened.details,
Did he come during the net sessions and chat to a few guys waiting to go in 1 at a time?
Or did he take over the session and run it from start to finish.?
 
A great team management should always be open minded to different view points and ideas and should also be open to outside help as well if necessary.

Geoff Boycott once revealed that the then England Captain Michael Vaughan secretly came up to him once requesting Boycott for some time to sort out certain technical issues with his batting but Vaughan was very admanent that it had to be done in secrecy and without the knowledge of the then England Head Coach Duncan Fletcher.

Similarly Mohammad Akram took serious offence to the fact that Junaid Khan approached Allan Donald for tips and advice on how to bowl in South Africa which led to a serious tiff between them. These are stupid things unprofessional attitudes which hold Pakistan Cricket back.

Pakistan Cricket is ranked below the rest of the big 5 in all formats for a reason and the present crop of cricketers are not even close to the levels of their predecessors. Like Sir Syed Ahmed Khan said "If you can't beat them, join them"
 
Abdullah said:
I think so too, so hope we get a chance to chase 300 when we are 4-0 up.
Though I do think if we got Shan in we can push 285. ( That guy has been in beast mode in list A and the way he was pulling in the tests will be a big help in the first 10 overs as well as his cut
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He will get his chances but for now Imam is doing fine. More importantly is down the order where we can Improve. Do we need to get both Amir and Shaheen in the side? Who goes out? Will it weaken the batting line up?
 
letme alone said:
right, but our team has a hero skills and has zero skills. it is the matter of which one they want to use.
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I disagree they dont have enough skills to chase over 300 regularly. Even to chase 260-270 everything must come off like it did in that first game.
 
Pakhs said:
He will get his chances but for now Imam is doing fine. More importantly is down the order where we can Improve. Do we need to get both Amir and Shaheen in the side? Who goes out? Will it weaken the batting line up?
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It's a tough one. Shaheen amir and Hasan all need to play but that will weaken the batting. Imad would have to sit out.
It's risky though until we are confident that shadab faheem and Imad can all bowl 10 .
Shame hafeez can not bowl like he used to
 
Abdullah said:
It's a tough one. Shaheen amir and Hasan all need to play but that will weaken the batting. Imad would have to sit out.
It's risky though until we are confident that shadab faheem and Imad can all bowl 10 .
Shame hafeez can not bowl like he used to
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You need atleast 3 out and out wicket takers and then 2 gun spinners.
 
Inzi should stick to he’s job as a selector & not undermine others. Anyway I doubt a couple of hours in the bets with him made any difference.
 
So who gets the blame for today's display - Inzi or Grant??
 
Bilal7 said:
Inzamam had nothing to do with oath-gate. It is a blatant lie that any of that took place in his house and I cannot believe that there are still people in 2019 who believe that Inzi was involved in that.

The batting coach has not been sidelined. He's taking a breather and seems quite appreciative of Inzamam's efforts. In fact, he called me and said that he's feeling great at that you should stop worrying about his feelings.

See? I can make a lot of assumptions and sprinkle in some white lies too.
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You do you, and I'll just post my opinion. If that hurts your fragile messaging that's on you and not me ;-)
 
Sherlock said:
Gotta be Grant, innit...

Was always going to happen.
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I'm feeling you bro - so when we win Inzi had a hand in it, when we lose......

To be honest it's neither of their fault - batsmen are not up to it and bits and pieces C grade players will only come good once in a while
 
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