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IPL franchise owners openly being allowed to discriminate in non-Indian leagues?

sithb said:
Saim , Abrar and Tariq would probably be the only guys who would be considered on a merit purpose.
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Sometimes its on adaptability, fighting spirit too.u can compare afg and bng players In ipl. in case of any team discussion, an afg will stay next to the captian providing his inputs.A bng player will never be part of any discussion .I never saw even a junior Indian player crediting a bng player for some kind of performance tip.Its like corporate culture now. U have to increase ur brand value so much that others have to believe/follow u blindly.

Until 2010 , pak players can do it.i highly doubt abrar/ tariq/saim.
 
The entire article is click bait. No team has selected any Pakistani player so far (Whether Indian owned or not). There's still time for the auction etc to happen and the situation might change. But as of now, there are 16 available slots across 8 teams and Pakistan are having tours of West Indies and England at the time the 100 is happening (So the players might not even be available for it in the first place)
 
sithb said:
Just checked - Pakistan have tours of West Indies and later England when the hundred is going on. The players in consideration will mostly be a part of those tours. Pakistan Players might not even be available to take part in the competition.

Smacks of Lazy journalism.
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What happens in SAT20 🤡
 
Why should Pakistani players expect to be there in every league ? Franchises pick whoever they want. There probably are some Indian franchises who do want to avoid picking Pakistani players. Is that attitude wrong ? Yes. But as long as they provide a working rationale behind it, They are well within their rights to do so.

Is it good business acumen? Not sure but they are the ones who have invested heavily in the league. They might be leaning on BCCI (If not immediately , in the near future)to relax their player rules in someway too. From a marketability purpose, Getting Indian players in generates more revenue for them. Especially Indian players who are seen as T20 specialists only.
 
sithb said:
Doesn't SRK's KKR have a Pakistani Player ?
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So, because of the odd occasion because of one guy who’s historically proven to be supportive of Pakistan players…

The many years of clear discrimination is forgiven?
 
Rana said:
So, because of the odd occasion because of one guy who’s historically proven to be supportive of Pakistan players…

The many years of clear discrimination is forgiven?
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I mean can that be helped now ? It is what it is. The situation probably might be better if the Pakistani players are absolutely world class players who most would like to see and selecting them is a no brainer. No point going on about it for 15+ years. Babar Azam and Rizwan played in the BBL and were proven to be pretty average there.

From what I hear, PSL is there for Pakistanis and also Bangladesh League, SL league and Carribean League. There's still ample leagues for Pakistani cricketers to go , play and earn (subject to availability).
 
sithb said:
The entire article is click bait. No team has selected any Pakistani player so far (Whether Indian owned or not). There's still time for the auction etc to happen and the situation might change. But as of now, there are 16 available slots across 8 teams and Pakistan are having tours of West Indies and England at the time the 100 is happening (So the players might not even be available for it in the first place)
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England games aren't played during the hundred.
 
UK Equality Act 2010 doesnt allow discrimination by nationality or national origin. Expect this to be challenged in UK courts successfully should the players mount a challenged. Silly move truth be said, no need to exclude them outside IPL.
 
nish_mate said:
UK Equality Act 2010 doesnt allow discrimination by nationality or national origin. Expect this to be challenged in UK courts successfully should the players mount a challenged. Silly move truth be said, no need to exclude them outside IPL.
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Can the teams say team combinations haven't allowed them? Or data driven analysis have not favoured them?Only explicit reason will be problematic not a vague idea/combination.any one can understand the motive but to prove it will be difficult .Moreover pak have only 2/3 genuine prospects now.
 
Maybe the Indian clowns who invested in this money drain can use this as a way get out of the contract under the threat of completely collapsing the league
 
Vikram1989 said:
Can the teams say team combinations haven't allowed them? Or data driven analysis have not favoured them?Only explicit reason will be problematic not a vague idea/combination.any one can understand the motive but to prove it will be difficult .Moreover pak have only 2/3 genuine prospects now.
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I am not a lawyer to comment on that. From an employer/management presepctive I can say having recently completed the annual refresher on UK Equality Act, discrimination on nationality/ethnicity's not allowed.

But there are different ways to skin a cat....
 
Devadwal said:
Pakistani on weekdays: “ we don't want endian money saaar. Our superpower PCB survives saar”

Pakistani on Weekend: “We want Indian employers to hire our players saaar, discrimination saar 😭"

Shameless for a reason.

:klopp :kp
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Are your posts no longer monitored before they are allowed to be pasted here?
 
nish_mate said:
I am not a lawyer to comment on that. From an employer/management presepctive I can say having recently completed the annual refresher on UK Equality Act, discrimination on nationality/ethnicity's not allowed.

But there are different ways to skin a cat....
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If someone doesn't want to employ someone , it's their wish. It might be unnecessary but the courts can't tell someone whom to employ and whom to not. The IPL owners will just say we wanted other players and we got them. Nothing can be done from a legal perspective.
 
sithb said:
If someone doesn't want to employ someone , it's their wish. It might be unnecessary but the courts can't tell someone whom to employ and whom to not. The IPL owners will just say we wanted other players and we got them. Nothing can be done from a legal perspective.
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True
 
Savak said:
Are Indian businessmen the only ones with money? What about investors from Australia, England or even Pakistan? Why are they not interested in these teams?
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The money is in Indian market, investors from those countries need to be invested in businesses in India to invest in cricket leagues.

Don’t think there’s many or even any such business from Australia or England which is big in India and want to capture Indian market.

There’s not much money in other leagues since crowds and eyeballs are not in those countries in cricket.
 
Devadwal said:
Pakistani on weekdays: “ we don't want endian money saaar. Our superpower PCB survives saar”

Pakistani on Weekend: “We want Indian employers to hire our players saaar, discrimination saar 😭"

Shameless for a reason.

:klopp :kp
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Why doesn’t the Pakistani government ban Indian-owned franchises and stop allowing their players to participate?
 
sithb said:
If someone doesn't want to employ someone , it's their wish. It might be unnecessary but the courts can't tell someone whom to employ and whom to not. The IPL owners will just say we wanted other players and we got them. Nothing can be done from a legal perspective.
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The fact the ECB are telling agents that the franchises in questions won't be picking Pakistani players makes it pretty clear the teams have communicated that to them in some way.
 
sithb said:
If someone doesn't want to employ someone , it's their wish. It might be unnecessary but the courts can't tell someone whom to employ and whom to not. The IPL owners will just say we wanted other players and we got them. Nothing can be done from a legal perspective.
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Not really how it works, if there is inherent bias in your selection, the UK Equality Act has been enacted not to allow this scenario- employers have to be able to justify they werent biased in their selection, if a candidate is qualified for the role, you can't exclude them on your preference or bias of nationality, ethnic origns, religion etc.

I suggest you read up some articles on UK Equality 2010 Act and some practical case laws, where the courts have ruled in favour of claimant.
 
nish_mate said:
Not really how it works, if there is inherent bias in your selection, the UK Equality Act has been enacted not to allow this scenario- employers have to be able to justify they werent biased in their selection, if a candidate is qualified for the role, you can't exclude them on your preference or bias of nationality, ethnic origns, religion etc.

I suggest you read up some articles on UK Equality 2010 Act and some practical case laws, where the courts have ruled in favour of claimant.
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True but IMO tough to prove in court. They can say the players are not good enough and so we didn't pick them. I don't think they will give official statements saying they won't be picking Pak players. That would be stupidity.

But they can say we only pick players on merit. So we dont have a Pak player, a Zim player, a Ban player etc. Maybe they will pick a Pak origin British citizen player to support that. And they can say weare not discriminating against any one country..
 
deltexas said:
True but IMO tough to prove in court. They can say the players are not good enough and so we didn't pick them. I don't think they will give official statements saying they won't be picking Pak players. That would be stupidity.

But they can say we only pick players on merit. So we dont have a Pak player, a Zim player, a Ban player etc. Maybe they will pick a Pak origin British citizen player to support that. And they can say weare not discriminating against any one country..
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Mate the point is you dont want to end up in courts, as soon as a suit's been filed, you have lost the battle of perception in public's eyes and public is the last thing you want going against you if you are running a sports team
 
nish_mate said:
Not really how it works, if there is inherent bias in your selection, the UK Equality Act has been enacted not to allow this scenario- employers have to be able to justify they werent biased in their selection, if a candidate is qualified for the role, you can't exclude them on your preference or bias of nationality, ethnic origns, religion etc.

I suggest you read up some articles on UK Equality 2010 Act and some practical case laws, where the courts have ruled in favour of claimant.
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Exactly - the “it’s their money their decision” argument won’t hold for a second in a court or enforcing body.

I am sure that the IPL owners are smart enough to get this. But are their hands tied by BCCI/ GoI diktat?

I don’t know if anyone has considered the reputational damage to all of India if this issue is taken up seriously by courts and agencies in the UK. It’s not trivial and it will consolidate a global anti-India narrative
 
nish_mate said:
Mate the point is you dont want to end up in courts, as soon as a suit's been filed, you have lost the battle of perception in public's eyes and public is the last thing you want going against you if you are running a sports team
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Question. Not sure if its different in the UK.. this is a British league and so I am assuming it should apply to British citizens. Why should they care about foreign citizens? If someone was having a league in the USA, any discrimination suits would be in regards to US Citizens and not to any foreign Citizens who would be here on a temp visiors visa. And if they dont hire any foreign players, dont think they can enforce anything because its outside their domain. They are responsible for US Citizens not any other country's citizens.
 
If the Pakistani players are that good then the other teams will get the Pakistan power players for cheap and make a formidable team
 
Cryin Out Loud said:
Exactly - the “it’s their money their decision” argument won’t hold for a second in a court or enforcing body.

I am sure that the IPL owners are smart enough to get this. But are their hands tied by BCCI/ GoI diktat?

I don’t know if anyone has considered the reputational damage to all of India if this issue is taken up seriously by courts and agencies in the UK. It’s not trivial and it will consolidate a global anti-India narrative
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What reputational damage?

Indi pakistan have hostile relations, is this new?
 
lol it seems I feel strongly about this that I keep posting on the subject.

This is exactly the kind of workplace inequity that Indian professionals in the UK and IS since our grandparents times have struggled against.

In short for a few generations you have complained about being discriminated against at work. Now you want to start it?
 
basitmian said:
If the Pakistani players are that good then the other teams will get the Pakistan power players for cheap and make a formidable team
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Amidst all the drama, a pertinent question nobody wants to ask. The reality is the Pak players are not desirable from a performance standpoint and not for other reasons. Babar Shaheen and co all underperformed in the bbl and franchises would have taken note of it.
 
Cryin Out Loud said:
Exactly - the “it’s their money their decision” argument won’t hold for a second in a court or enforcing body.

I am sure that the IPL owners are smart enough to get this. But are their hands tied by BCCI/ GoI diktat?

I don’t know if anyone has considered the reputational damage to all of India if this issue is taken up seriously by courts and agencies in the UK. It’s not trivial and it will consolidate a global anti-India narrative
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What you talkin' about? 🤣
 
deltexas said:
Question. Not sure if its different in the UK.. this is a British league and so I am assuming it should apply to British citizens. Why should they care about foreign citizens? If someone was having a league in the USA, any discrimination suits would be in regards to US Citizens and not to any foreign Citizens who would be here on a temp visiors visa. And if they dont hire any foreign players, dont think they can enforce anything because its outside their domain. They are responsible for US Citizens not any other country's citizens.
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Nope read up on UK Equality Act 2010. It protects everyone from discrimination in employment in the UK regardless of their citizenship.

Straight from gov.uk link: https://www.gov.uk/discrimination-your-rights/types-of-discrimination

Types of discrimination ('protected characteristics')​

It is against the law to discriminate against anyone because of:

  • age
  • gender reassignment
  • being married or in a civil partnership
  • being pregnant or on maternity leave
  • disability
  • race including colour, nationality, ethnic or national origin
  • religion or belief
  • sex
  • sexual orientation
These are called ‘protected characteristics’.
You’re protected from discrimination:

  • at work
  • in education
  • as a consumer
  • when using public services
  • when buying or renting property
  • as a member or guest of a private club or association
You’re legally protected from discrimination by the Equality Act 2010.
 
cricketjoshila said:
What reputational damage?

Indi pakistan have hostile relations, is this new?
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Yes reputational damage as a font of workplace discrimination in foreign markets.

I see the potential media fallout from this will be severe. Especially is someone agency takes it up. Or (if in the U.S.) some Senator asks a question.

You have hostile relations means little to people in a market outside your country, and where you’re trying to do business.
 
Cryin Out Loud said:
I’m no lawyer. But I strongly doubt this argument alone will work in a court of law.
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Then they must prove it by filing a case in court. These franchise owners know everything before making any decisions ( Not openly but behind the doors)

The BCCI has not banned Pakistani players from participating in the IPL, but the franchises did not want to buy them.

Even if the lawyer gets 2-3 lives to prove it, he will still not be able to do it.

The franchisee can say, "They're not good enough to be selected, so we didn't bid for them. That's the end of the matter."

:kp
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
Petty and sad if true. Will wait till the auction.
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I’m just hoping that this is a frikkin’ error in reporting by the BBC. After all the article is only based on (IIRC) one unnamed source (an agent).

Or if it’s not an error, the teams reverse their stance and take one or two players, even if it’s for show!

Meanwhile folks like @Rana ji must be finding this hilarious - the old enemy is putting itself deliberately into a trap of its own making, and all y’all have to do is to sit back and enjoy..:.
 
If you can’t build an empire, you don’t get to dictate how it’s run.

Indian owners invest their money — they decide their strategy. Simple.

If someone wants Pakistani players featured so badly, buy a team in SA20 or The Hundred and pick whoever you want. Nobody’s stopping you.

But don’t lecture others on how to use their investment.

No empire, no entitlement.

:klopp :kp
 
There’s no rule that forces franchises to pick players from specific countries. The choice of which overseas players to buy is entirely up to each franchise’s strategy and preference

Why some people's don't understand this simple fact.

:kp
 
deltexas said:
Question. Not sure if its different in the UK.. this is a British league and so I am assuming it should apply to British citizens. Why should they care about foreign citizens? If someone was having a league in the USA, any discrimination suits would be in regards to US Citizens and not to any foreign Citizens who would be here on a temp visiors visa. And if they dont hire any foreign players, dont think they can enforce anything because its outside their domain. They are responsible for US Citizens not any other country's citizens.
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On another note and in a lighter vein, the UK Equality Act would also protect you if you were a gay trying to join a hypothetical Jammat's XI cricketing club and your membership request was declined on basis of your sexuality :moyo, doesnt matter if you are a UK citizen or a 🇧🇩fresh off the boat.
 
Athletic Bilbao doesn't sign non Basque players. Nobody is going apeshit over them. Team owners can (not)sign whoever they want. :kp
 
nish_mate said:
On another note and in a lighter vein, the UK Equality Act would also protect you if you were a gay trying to join a hypothetical Jammat's XI cricketing club and your membership request was declined on basis of your sexuality :moyo, doesnt matter if you are a UK citizen or a 🇧🇩fresh off the boat.
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Hey don’t put Sweepy’s personal business all up on the forums….
 
nish_mate said:
On another note and in a lighter vein, the UK Equality Act would also protect you if you were a gay trying to join a hypothetical Jammat's XI cricketing club and your membership request was declined on basis of your sexuality :moyo, doesnt matter if you are a UK citizen or a 🇧🇩fresh off the boat.
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So moral of the story, need to join the g**s for Jamaat club to have a "shot" at representing the club lol ! 👍😂
 
Indians justifying and defending this

I think I’ll have to take @ElRaja ’s advise seriously from now on.

No more responding/engaging with Indian racism promoters on this forum from my side. Just can’t be arsed anymore with this lot.
 
Question to Pak residents. Would PSL hire any Ind or Israeli players? If not , why? Is that not discrimination? Personally I don't care, it's their local domestic league, so they can hire whoever they want.
 
Not all the leagues are owned by Indians right? I suppose those franchisees s can buy them for cheap price. Which 100 team is not owned by Indians?
 
deltexas said:
Question to Pak residents. Would PSL hire any Ind or Israeli players? If not , why? Is that not discrimination? Personally I don't care, it's their local domestic league, so they can hire whoever they want.
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Don't know about the Israeli players but if BCCI allows Indian players in PSL, it will be a national holiday in Pakistan and Pakistani awaam will be on the streets celebrating and running around with RoKo posters.
 
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