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Even if Don Bradman comes out of his grace to argue IPL is the best standard of cricket, he eyes of Unadkat will be looking right into his. He will go back into his grave
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T20 franchise leagues ranking: IPL remains the gold standard while PSL poised for huge spurt
https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/amp....gold-standard-while-psl-poised-for-huge-spurt
Psl is 5 years old only......no league is oldr or even close to Ipl in age.....that's end it
Dont know if you are serious including Mills and Jordan to that list.
Some of the local pacers do look good but most are spray guns who will travel. I have seen enough PSL games to know that. Then those spinners are simply avg apart from Tahir. Dont see them really causing Indian batters any problem let alone the international players.

People will go to any lengths to make themselves feel better. I suppose we cannot be too harsh on Pakistani fans.
Their misery is endless and they need a coping mechanism. No one would have ever envisioned the gap between Indian cricket and Pakistan cricket that exists in 2020.
I am sorry but if you are trying to prove that Indian batsman are good on UAE pitches than Pakistan then it is hardly a secret. The real question which has been discussed to length here has been Indian bowling vs Pak bowling. If Indian bowlers are getting a phainty on UAE pitches then that question still remains valid. Bumrah, Shami, Ishant should stay away from this league and save their precious bowling performances for International cricket. Not even their friends and family members will remember these tamasha matches after few weeks.![]()
This is classic!
People (you) will go to any length to make yourself feel like trash. Because you believe that your misery is endless and you need a coping mechanism. This whole persona of "we're so bad" is a way for you to shield yourself from the often disappointment that comes with being a PCT fan. It is just a way to to tell yourself, "Well, I knew this would happen" when things go south. We've seen this all too often with those who do not deal well with disappointment.
However, not everyone has such a thin skin. Most fans are able to deal with the disappointment and move on. They take the downs and cherish the ups, not matter how often or sparse the latter might be. So, please, do not lump everyone else in the cesspool of misery that you live in.
I’ve said this before that a fan supports their team no matter what.
You can’t be a fan if you’re continuously putting them down.
Bumrah has been anhilated in the UAE
Shami was taken to the cleaners last night in his last over
Saini has been ordinary as well
Not everyone has the same kind of capacity to deal with bad outcomes. Some of those that are too invested in the game take losses to heart which is not healthy and affects their quality of life - this guy being the prime example. In such a case, people develop coping mechanism which help ease the pain.
I think he is just too much of a fan and should take cricketer for what it really is, just a sport.
After tonight's game it is clear that IPL is simply the pinnacle of T20 cricket. It was well worth postponing WT20 for this magnificent spectacle.
Amazing standard of cricket, amazingly well matched teams.
Finishing a match with the best T20I batsman playing the best T20I bowler.
Just plain WOW.
After tonight's game it is clear that IPL is simply the pinnacle of T20 cricket. It was well worth postponing WT20 for this magnificent spectacle.
Amazing standard of cricket, amazingly well matched teams.
Finishing a match with the best T20I batsman playing the best T20I bowler.
Just plain WOW.
Kohli and de Villiers batting against Bumrah in a super over with Rohit as opposition captain, only IPL can pull this calibre of quality performance.
Kohli and de Villiers batting against Bumrah in a super over with Rohit as opposition captain, only IPL can pull this calibre of quality performance.
After tonight's game it is clear that IPL is simply the pinnacle of T20 cricket. It was well worth postponing WT20 for this magnificent spectacle.
Amazing standard of cricket, amazingly well matched teams.
Finishing a match with the best T20I batsman playing the best T20I bowler.
Just plain WOW.
[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] - Just to use WWE's analogy:
International T20s - Raw/Smackdown
T20 World Cups - Wrestlemania
IPL - Super Showdown
PSL - NXT
Agree?

I don't always agree with Mamoon but he is speaking the bitter truth here.
The average 1st innings score of the UAE portion of PSL 2019 was 149. So far in IPL 2020, the average is 184.
Comparing the number of fifties scored, four out of the top ten fiftymakers in PSL 2020 are Pakistani. In IPL 2020, six of the top ten fiftymakers are Indian.
As far as sixhitting is concerned, there's only one Pakistani in the top five sixhitters in PSL 2020. Currently in IPL 2020, and granted the tournament isn't completed yet, the top five sixhitters are all Indian batsmen.
It's clear India have far more depth in quality young batsmen than us, and to improve we must explore why - not hide behind the claim it's because we have greater domestic bowling strength (which's patently untrue otherwise we wouldn't be ranked 7th and 6th in Tests and ODIs). We must improve the quality of technical coaching at grassroots level, and invest in good wickets with decent pace and carry that allow free shotmaking.
I don't always agree with Mamoon but he is speaking the bitter truth here.
The average 1st innings score of the UAE portion of PSL 2019 was 149. So far in IPL 2020, the average is 184.
Comparing the number of fifties scored, four out of the top ten fiftymakers in PSL 2020 are Pakistani. In IPL 2020, six of the top ten fiftymakers are Indian.
As far as sixhitting is concerned, there's only one Pakistani in the top five sixhitters in PSL 2020. Currently in IPL 2020, and granted the tournament isn't completed yet, the top five sixhitters are all Indian batsmen.
It's clear India have far more depth in quality young batsmen than us, and to improve we must explore why - not hide behind the claim it's because we have greater domestic bowling strength (which's patently untrue otherwise we wouldn't be ranked 7th and 6th in Tests and ODIs). We must improve the quality of technical coaching at grassroots level, and invest in good wickets with decent pace and carry that allow free shotmaking.
Forget PSL franchises. If the Pakistan national team joins IPL as a franchise, it will not come close to winning the competition.
The young Indian batsmen will massacre the likes of Rauf, Wahab, Imad, Shadab etc.
Amir and Shaheen might be the only two bowlers who might do well.
IPL batting standards are incredible.
That’s why Lahore lions beat the best IPL international t20 team in the world Mumbai Indians right you’re a joke a very lame joke tbh.
You will dance like shakira in the same ipl if you get the same money bumrah gets.I am sorry but if you are trying to prove that Indian batsman are good on UAE pitches than Pakistan then it is hardly a secret. The real question which has been discussed to length here has been Indian bowling vs Pak bowling. If Indian bowlers are getting a phainty on UAE pitches then that question still remains valid. Bumrah, Shami, Ishant should stay away from this league and save their precious bowling performances for International cricket. Not even their friends and family members will remember these tamasha matches after few weeks.![]()
I don't always agree with Mamoon but he is speaking the bitter truth here.
The average 1st innings score of the UAE portion of PSL 2019 was 149. So far in IPL 2020, the average is 184.
Comparing the number of fifties scored, four out of the top ten fiftymakers in PSL 2020 are Pakistani. In IPL 2020, six of the top ten fiftymakers are Indian.
As far as sixhitting is concerned, there's only one Pakistani in the top five sixhitters in PSL 2020. Currently in IPL 2020, and granted the tournament isn't completed yet, the top five sixhitters are all Indian batsmen.
It's clear India have far more depth in quality young batsmen than us, and to improve we must explore why - not hide behind the claim it's because we have greater domestic bowling strength (which's patently untrue otherwise we wouldn't be ranked 7th and 6th in Tests and ODIs). We must improve the quality of technical coaching at grassroots level, and invest in good wickets with decent pace and carry that allow free shotmaking.
I don't always agree with Mamoon but he is speaking the bitter truth here.
The average 1st innings score of the UAE portion of PSL 2019 was 149. So far in IPL 2020, the average is 184.
Comparing the number of fifties scored, four out of the top ten fiftymakers in PSL 2020 are Pakistani. In IPL 2020, six of the top ten fiftymakers are Indian.
As far as sixhitting is concerned, there's only one Pakistani in the top five sixhitters in PSL 2020. Currently in IPL 2020, and granted the tournament isn't completed yet, the top five sixhitters are all Indian batsmen.
It's clear India have far more depth in quality young batsmen than us, and to improve we must explore why - not hide behind the claim it's because we have greater domestic bowling strength (which's patently untrue otherwise we wouldn't be ranked 7th and 6th in Tests and ODIs). We must improve the quality of technical coaching at grassroots level, and invest in good wickets with decent pace and carry that allow free shotmaking.
That’s why Lahore lions beat the best IPL international t20 team in the world Mumbai Indians right you’re a joke a very lame joke tbh.
The fielding has been average in the IPL barring a few brilliant moments. There have been innumerable drop catches, a lot of sitters have been droppedI have seen bits of the IPL this year and the pace bowling in the IPL isnt as good as the PSL. This combined with the better batsmen means very high scores. ABD couldn't get a run in the PSL but he looks a beast against these bowlers. I didn't think the PK spinners were any good but I have been surprised how poorly the spinners in the IPL have performed. The fielding in the IPL is excellent and poor in the PSL.
I dont think depth of young batting talent in India was up for debate in the T20 format and at the same time its not a hidden fact Pakistan needs better batsmen to come through.
In terms of bowling I have raised this question few times and yet to get a response even from Indian posters that which young Indian pacers you rate (Outside of Bumrah, Shami and probably Bhuvi) that have quality wise and technically impressed you? Which do ones do you think would be hot commodities in The 100, BBL etc. or maybe turn out to be future stars of world cricket.
As a keen observe of cricket I am really interested in knowing the answer. As I have been following cricket for sometime and havent been too impressed with what I have seen till now in terms of local bowling talent in IPL but again I am also just human and my judgement can be wrong, also I havent watched all the matches and pacers. So would like which young pace bowlers from India have particular impressed you and why.
I have seen bits of the IPL this year and the pace bowling in the IPL isnt as good as the PSL. This combined with the better batsmen means very high scores. ABD couldn't get a run in the PSL but he looks a beast against these bowlers. I didn't think the PK spinners were any good but I have been surprised how poorly the spinners in the IPL have performed. The fielding in the IPL is excellent and poor in the PSL.
I have seen bits of the IPL this year and the pace bowling in the IPL isnt as good as the PSL. This combined with the better batsmen means very high scores. ABD couldn't get a run in the PSL but he looks a beast against these bowlers. I didn't think the PK spinners were any good but I have been surprised how poorly the spinners in the IPL have performed. The fielding in the IPL is excellent and poor in the PSL.
Saini is pretty impressive.. how he develops considering he is 27 already is a diff story, bowled excellent today.
I have seen bits of the IPL this year and the pace bowling in the IPL isnt as good as the PSL. This combined with the better batsmen means very high scores. ABD couldn't get a run in the PSL but he looks a beast against these bowlers. I didn't think the PK spinners were any good but I have been surprised how poorly the spinners in the IPL have performed. The fielding in the IPL is excellent and poor in the PSL.
ABD scored 218 runs @54.50 in 7 matches of psl.
It included a 29 ball 50.
So much for not buying a run.
ABDV is one of the greatest batsman to step on the field, he is not in need of psl certificate.
Why can’t we Pakistani and Indian fans enjoy the cricket which is being played instead of saying which team/league/player is better?
Some of y’all are way too toxic.
I have seen bits of the IPL this year and the pace bowling in the IPL isnt as good as the PSL. This combined with the better batsmen means very high scores. ABD couldn't get a run in the PSL but he looks a beast against these bowlers. I didn't think the PK spinners were any good but I have been surprised how poorly the spinners in the IPL have performed. The fielding in the IPL is excellent and poor in the PSL.
I agree. I cant see Pollard acoring these 20 ball 60s in the psl. Even Ab was average in the UAE leg of the PSL
It was in 2014, this is 2020. IPL is a lot bigger and better now. The standard of batting has only gone up.
Besides, Lahore Lions, with plenty of international players, beat a weak Mumbai team who were without Rohit.
Mumbai had the following batting lineup:
Simmons
Hussey
Saxena
Rayudu
Tare
Pollard
That is a terrible lineup. Hussey is the only quality top order batsman in that lineup but this match was in 2014 and he was finished by then.
Any half-decent T20 side would walk over this awful batting lineup.
In comparison, Lahore Lions had Shehzad, Jamshed, Hafeez and Umar Akmal. A more than decent lineup especially for 2014 and clearly better than Mumbai IndiansÂ’.
Mumbai had Bumrah but he was 21 year old at the time and nothing like the bowler he is today. He was not nothing special until 2016.
Pakistan today is a nothing side. Our bowlers are deeply mediocre and they will get massacred by Indian batsmen.
Nearly every IPL franchise today is better than the current Pakistan team.
De Villiers did well in PSL. However, the likes of Gayle and McCullum failed.
The problem with citing individual examples is that it can work both ways.
If the lack of success of IPL superstars like Gayle and McCullum indicates the superior bowling of PSL, then the success of the likes of Ronchi, Dunk, Kamran etc. in PSL suggests otherwise.
The pool of overseas bowlers in PSL is shockingly bad. Our local bowlers are not very good either which is why Pakistan has poor rankings in Tests and ODIs. India have been the better bowling side in the previous decade.
Washington Sundar gave 12 runs in 4 overs opened the bowling today where 200 was scored by both teams.. I think Spinners in IPL are better, maybe a case can be made for local fast bowling talent where PSL might be better.
ABD scored 218 runs @54.50 in 7 matches of psl.
It included a 29 ball 50.
So much for not buying a run.
ABDV is one of the greatest batsman to step on the field, he is not in need of psl certificate.
The fielding has been average in the IPL barring a few brilliant moments. There have been innumerable drop catches, a lot of sitters have been dropped
I don't always agree with Mamoon but he is speaking the bitter truth here.
The average 1st innings score of the UAE portion of PSL 2019 was 149. So far in IPL 2020, the average is 184.
Comparing the number of fifties scored, four out of the top ten fiftymakers in PSL 2020 are Pakistani. In IPL 2020, six of the top ten fiftymakers are Indian.
As far as sixhitting is concerned, there's only one Pakistani in the top five sixhitters in PSL 2020. Currently in IPL 2020, and granted the tournament isn't completed yet, the top five sixhitters are all Indian batsmen.
It's clear India have far more depth in quality young batsmen than us, and to improve we must explore why - not hide behind the claim it's because we have greater domestic bowling strength (which's patently untrue otherwise we wouldn't be ranked 7th and 6th in Tests and ODIs). We must improve the quality of technical coaching at grassroots level, and invest in good wickets with decent pace and carry that allow free shotmaking.

IPL is clearly gold standard in domestic T20 but PSL bhi kuch kami nahin why to belittle your own league![]()
Pollard in IPL : Batting average 28, Strike rate 148
Pollard in PSL: Batting average 33, Strike rate 166 (2nd best strike rate in PSL history for those with 500+ runs)
Perhaps I learnt to read and compare numbers differently!
BTW Pollard did hit 51(22) and 55(27) in PSL 2029. Also had 44(21) and 44(22). Maybe you don't notice when he hits bigger in PSL![]()
ABD scored 218 runs @54.50 in 7 matches of psl.
It included a 29 ball 50.
So much for not buying a run.
ABDV is one of the greatest batsman to step on the field, he is not in need of psl certificate.
After reading the comments, I just watched a random PSL game. Apparently a very rated match.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hBBtPDxkhY
Some random Vince guy is smashing Pakistani bowlers all over the park for the first 9 minutes. I saw Rahat bowl absolute rubbish.
After getting smashed all over the park Rauf is seen celebrating the wicket of some Laurie.
And who is this oldie Wiese? He absolutely destroyed the other team. Made 45* off 20.
Seriously, who are these Vince, Laurie, and Wiese?
Although I have to give it to the Pakistani fans in the stadium. They are really enjoying it.
Hahaha couldn't stop laughing
They even question about the credibility of the likes of abd, Gayle, baz and comparing their Ipl performances during their peak years to their PSL performance in the later stage of their careers!
But still nobody seems to have any answer about how the likes of the PSL greats such as akmals, shahzads, ronchis, dunks, delports and some other washed up nobodies have been dominating the so called good talented bowlers and topping the scoring chart almost every season *****
Which also begs the question that "are Abd, Gayle, baz worse than these above mentioned PSL legends?"
The fielding in the IPL is excellent and poor in the PSL.
Hahaha couldn't stop laughing
They even question about the credibility of the likes of abd, Gayle, baz and comparing their Ipl performances during their peak years to their PSL performance in the later stage of their careers!
But still nobody seems to have any answer about how the likes of the PSL greats such as akmals, shahzads, ronchis, dunks, delports and some other washed up nobodies have been dominating the so called good talented bowlers and topping the scoring chart almost every season *****
Which also begs the question that "are Abd, Gayle, baz worse than these above mentioned PSL legends?"
Made my day......so at their peak and at their end ....ha ha....AB and GAYLE at their end is still tonking ur GOLD STANDARD bowlers......see his stats in 2019 edition.....oh by the way he was unsold in Psl the previous season......
Vince is a regular in ODI squad......and had played tests too.....Dunk is an t20 veteran.....has exciting Big bash stats.....and a Melbourne Star regular .....so is Lynn.....for Adelaide strikers......
Kamran Akmal is a domestic giant as far as batting goes......his weakness is keeping and fielding.......everyone knows....shehzad hardly got a game this season.......delport has an overall strike rate of 140...... Ronchi has overal 153 SR in over 200 T20 matches worldwide......his T20I SR is 140......so u know what I mean.....
Moreover he has just a year left in him.....let the PSL 2nd leg start and the next season ........plus national t20......
We will keep u interested
After tonight's game it is clear that IPL is simply the pinnacle of T20 cricket. It was well worth postponing WT20 for this magnificent spectacle.
Amazing standard of cricket, amazingly well matched teams.
Finishing a match with the best T20I batsman playing the best T20I bowler.
Just plain WOW.
The highest form of T20 cricket in the world.
A true spectacle.
Thank you BCCI for this experience.
Thanks for the info. Didn’t know about most of these guys except Kami who’s a domestic legend. Hidden gems, I guess. You missed Wiese who looks like a promising all rounder going by how he smashed the PSL bowlers.
Also, who are Evans and Laurie? Saw their names too in the same game. And was the Taylor, the Zimbo player? Pls let me know.
After tonight's game it is clear that IPL is simply the pinnacle of T20 cricket. It was well worth postponing WT20 for this magnificent spectacle.
Amazing standard of cricket, amazingly well matched teams.
Finishing a match with the best T20I batsman playing the best T20I bowler.
Just plain WOW.
Wiese and Morris plays for SA in t20s....yes the Zimbos ex captain.....taylor.... U have forgot Malan roy Hales Banton too my dear frnd
I’m referring to the game that I watched. It didn’t have the names you mentioned - neither was Chris Morris playing. There was some other guy called Evans and one called Laurie.
Thanks for the info. Didn’t know about most of these guys except Kami who’s a domestic legend. Hidden gems, I guess. You missed Wiese who looks like a promising all rounder going by how he smashed the PSL bowlers.
Also, who are Evans and Laurie? Saw their names too in the same game. And was the Taylor, the Zimbo player? Pls let me know.
I’m referring to the game that I watched. It didn’t have the names you mentioned - neither was Chris Morris playing. There was some other guy called Evans and one called Laurie.
I’m referring to the game that I watched. It didn’t have the names you mentioned - neither was Chris Morris playing. There was some other guy called Evans and one called Laurie.
Wiese and Morris plays for SA in t20s....yes the Zimbos ex captain.....taylor.... U have forgot Malan roy Hales Banton too my dear frnd
He only remembers players that are reserves or played a game or 2 but not regulars as they household names. I bet he don't remember Tyrone Henderson who has played IPL lol
T20 is a game which is massively tactically underdeveloped. Similarly to ODIs when run inflation happened but teams still prefered to play slowly(e.g. England). In the future these kind of run chases will be the norm once people understand T20 better
UAe pitches are by nature low and slow baring Sharjah....... Due to due plus poor same type of bowling....batsman are playing for longer time even staying not out..... Mayank Rahul Rohit Ishan almost played entire innings....even Manish and Saha.......
Don't think there's any PSL side that doesn't have 4-5 genuine weak links in their unit. Hence lower scores if marquee players don't fire. IPL teams are quite evenly matched on paper.