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IPL in UAE has badly exposed PSL in UAE

Even if Don Bradman comes out of his grace to argue IPL is the best standard of cricket, he eyes of Unadkat will be looking right into his. He will go back into his grave
 
Dont know if you are serious including Mills and Jordan to that list.
Some of the local pacers do look good but most are spray guns who will travel. I have seen enough PSL games to know that. Then those spinners are simply avg apart from Tahir. Dont see them really causing Indian batters any problem let alone the international players.

Umer khan u obvs didnt see the umer in his first psl and who's wickets he got
 
I am sorry but if you are trying to prove that Indian batsman are good on UAE pitches than Pakistan then it is hardly a secret. The real question which has been discussed to length here has been Indian bowling vs Pak bowling. If Indian bowlers are getting a phainty on UAE pitches then that question still remains valid. Bumrah, Shami, Ishant should stay away from this league and save their precious bowling performances for International cricket. Not even their friends and family members will remember these tamasha matches after few weeks. :inti
 
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People will go to any lengths to make themselves feel better. I suppose we cannot be too harsh on Pakistani fans.

Their misery is endless and they need a coping mechanism. No one would have ever envisioned the gap between Indian cricket and Pakistan cricket that exists in 2020.

This is classic!

People (you) will go to any length to make yourself feel like trash. Because you believe that your misery is endless and you need a coping mechanism. This whole persona of "we're so bad" is a way for you to shield yourself from the often disappointment that comes with being a PCT fan. It is just a way to to tell yourself, "Well, I knew this would happen" when things go south. We've seen this all too often with those who do not deal well with disappointment.

However, not everyone has such a thin skin. Most fans are able to deal with the disappointment and move on. They take the downs and cherish the ups, not matter how often or sparse the latter might be. So, please, do not lump everyone else in the cesspool of misery that you live in.
 
I am sorry but if you are trying to prove that Indian batsman are good on UAE pitches than Pakistan then it is hardly a secret. The real question which has been discussed to length here has been Indian bowling vs Pak bowling. If Indian bowlers are getting a phainty on UAE pitches then that question still remains valid. Bumrah, Shami, Ishant should stay away from this league and save their precious bowling performances for International cricket. Not even their friends and family members will remember these tamasha matches after few weeks. :inti

Its not just Indian bowlers that are getting destroyed. Bowlers like Cummins, Pattinson, Boult, Steyn (washed up) are all getting destroyed. Batting has been top quality.
 
This is classic!

People (you) will go to any length to make yourself feel like trash. Because you believe that your misery is endless and you need a coping mechanism. This whole persona of "we're so bad" is a way for you to shield yourself from the often disappointment that comes with being a PCT fan. It is just a way to to tell yourself, "Well, I knew this would happen" when things go south. We've seen this all too often with those who do not deal well with disappointment.

However, not everyone has such a thin skin. Most fans are able to deal with the disappointment and move on. They take the downs and cherish the ups, not matter how often or sparse the latter might be. So, please, do not lump everyone else in the cesspool of misery that you live in.

I’ve said this before that a fan supports their team no matter what.
You can’t be a fan if you’re continuously putting them down.
 
Bumrah has been anhilated in the UAE

Shami was taken to the cleaners last night in his last over

Saini has been ordinary as well
 
I’ve said this before that a fan supports their team no matter what.
You can’t be a fan if you’re continuously putting them down.

Not everyone has the same kind of capacity to deal with bad outcomes. Some of those that are too invested in the game take losses to heart which is not healthy and affects their quality of life - this guy being the prime example. In such a case, people develop coping mechanism which help ease the pain.

I think he is just too much of a fan and should take cricketer for what it really is, just a sport.
 
Bumrah has been anhilated in the UAE

Shami was taken to the cleaners last night in his last over

Saini has been ordinary as well

Going at 10 an over is not getting destroyed considering the batting powerhouses of all IPL teams.
 
Not everyone has the same kind of capacity to deal with bad outcomes. Some of those that are too invested in the game take losses to heart which is not healthy and affects their quality of life - this guy being the prime example. In such a case, people develop coping mechanism which help ease the pain.

I think he is just too much of a fan and should take cricketer for what it really is, just a sport.

You know I never looked at it like that....

His love for Pakistan surpasses everything so much so that he can’t cope.
 
After tonight's game it is clear that IPL is simply the pinnacle of T20 cricket. It was well worth postponing WT20 for this magnificent spectacle.

Amazing standard of cricket, amazingly well matched teams.

Finishing a match with the best T20I batsman playing the best T20I bowler.

Just plain WOW.
 
Kohli and de Villiers batting against Bumrah in a super over with Rohit as opposition captain, only IPL can pull this calibre of quality performance.
 
After tonight's game it is clear that IPL is simply the pinnacle of T20 cricket. It was well worth postponing WT20 for this magnificent spectacle.

Amazing standard of cricket, amazingly well matched teams.

Finishing a match with the best T20I batsman playing the best T20I bowler.

Just plain WOW.

There has been super overs in PSL, Big bash and NatWest blasts. Don’t see anyone saying those leagues deserve to postpone world T20 for.

This is why you guys deserve Deepak Chahar
 
After tonight's game it is clear that IPL is simply the pinnacle of T20 cricket. It was well worth postponing WT20 for this magnificent spectacle.

Amazing standard of cricket, amazingly well matched teams.

Finishing a match with the best T20I batsman playing the best T20I bowler.

Just plain WOW.

Kohli and de Villiers batting against Bumrah in a super over with Rohit as opposition captain, only IPL can pull this calibre of quality performance.

The highest form of T20 cricket in the world.

A true spectacle.

Thank you BCCI for this experience.
 
This Udana was called a t20 specialist. What a waste of space. Hope he is atleast a better bat
 
Kohli and de Villiers batting against Bumrah in a super over with Rohit as opposition captain, only IPL can pull this calibre of quality performance.

And don’t forget a young Saini bowling to Hardik,Pollard and Rohit as well and giving only 7 runs
 
After tonight's game it is clear that IPL is simply the pinnacle of T20 cricket. It was well worth postponing WT20 for this magnificent spectacle.

Amazing standard of cricket, amazingly well matched teams.

Finishing a match with the best T20I batsman playing the best T20I bowler.

Just plain WOW.

Oh please IPL is not the pinnacle of t20 cricket - what it surely is by far, is the most entertaining t20 league and that's because of the unparalleled quality of the batting talent. As a viewer, it is obvious you would wanna watch these run fests rather than the attritional 140 odd chases in PSL.
 
IPL is not just a league. Its the archive of the best cricket can offer. No league can ever match its legacy.
 
[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] - Just to use WWE's analogy:

International T20s - Raw/Smackdown
T20 World Cups - Wrestlemania
IPL - Super Showdown
PSL - NXT

Agree?
 
[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] - Just to use WWE's analogy:

International T20s - Raw/Smackdown
T20 World Cups - Wrestlemania
IPL - Super Showdown
PSL - NXT

Agree?

IPL is Summer Slam
PSL is survivor Series
 
I don't always agree with Mamoon but he is speaking the bitter truth here.

The average 1st innings score of the UAE portion of PSL 2019 was 149. So far in IPL 2020, the average is 184.

Comparing the number of fifties scored, four out of the top ten fiftymakers in PSL 2020 are Pakistani. In IPL 2020, six of the top ten fiftymakers are Indian.

As far as sixhitting is concerned, there's only one Pakistani in the top five sixhitters in PSL 2020. Currently in IPL 2020, and granted the tournament isn't completed yet, the top five sixhitters are all Indian batsmen.

It's clear India have far more depth in quality young batsmen than us, and to improve we must explore why - not hide behind the claim it's because we have greater domestic bowling strength (which's patently untrue otherwise we wouldn't be ranked 7th and 6th in Tests and ODIs). We must improve the quality of technical coaching at grassroots level, and invest in good wickets with decent pace and carry that allow free shotmaking.
 
I don't always agree with Mamoon but he is speaking the bitter truth here.

The average 1st innings score of the UAE portion of PSL 2019 was 149. So far in IPL 2020, the average is 184.

Comparing the number of fifties scored, four out of the top ten fiftymakers in PSL 2020 are Pakistani. In IPL 2020, six of the top ten fiftymakers are Indian.

As far as sixhitting is concerned, there's only one Pakistani in the top five sixhitters in PSL 2020. Currently in IPL 2020, and granted the tournament isn't completed yet, the top five sixhitters are all Indian batsmen.

It's clear India have far more depth in quality young batsmen than us, and to improve we must explore why - not hide behind the claim it's because we have greater domestic bowling strength (which's patently untrue otherwise we wouldn't be ranked 7th and 6th in Tests and ODIs). We must improve the quality of technical coaching at grassroots level, and invest in good wickets with decent pace and carry that allow free shotmaking.

Great post..more power to your kind
 
I don't always agree with Mamoon but he is speaking the bitter truth here.

The average 1st innings score of the UAE portion of PSL 2019 was 149. So far in IPL 2020, the average is 184.

Comparing the number of fifties scored, four out of the top ten fiftymakers in PSL 2020 are Pakistani. In IPL 2020, six of the top ten fiftymakers are Indian.

As far as sixhitting is concerned, there's only one Pakistani in the top five sixhitters in PSL 2020. Currently in IPL 2020, and granted the tournament isn't completed yet, the top five sixhitters are all Indian batsmen.

It's clear India have far more depth in quality young batsmen than us, and to improve we must explore why - not hide behind the claim it's because we have greater domestic bowling strength (which's patently untrue otherwise we wouldn't be ranked 7th and 6th in Tests and ODIs). We must improve the quality of technical coaching at grassroots level, and invest in good wickets with decent pace and carry that allow free shotmaking.

Great post..more power to your kind
 
Forget PSL franchises. If the Pakistan national team joins IPL as a franchise, it will not come close to winning the competition.

The young Indian batsmen will massacre the likes of Rauf, Wahab, Imad, Shadab etc.

Amir and Shaheen might be the only two bowlers who might do well.

IPL batting standards are incredible.

That’s why Lahore lions beat the best IPL international t20 team in the world Mumbai Indians right you’re a joke a very lame joke tbh.
 
That’s why Lahore lions beat the best IPL international t20 team in the world Mumbai Indians right you’re a joke a very lame joke tbh.

It was in 2014, this is 2020. IPL is a lot bigger and better now. The standard of batting has only gone up.

Besides, Lahore Lions, with plenty of international players, beat a weak Mumbai team who were without Rohit.

Mumbai had the following batting lineup:

Simmons
Hussey
Saxena
Rayudu
Tare
Pollard

That is a terrible lineup. Hussey is the only quality top order batsman in that lineup but this match was in 2014 and he was finished by then.

Any half-decent T20 side would walk over this awful batting lineup.

In comparison, Lahore Lions had Shehzad, Jamshed, Hafeez and Umar Akmal. A more than decent lineup especially for 2014 and clearly better than Mumbai Indians’.

Mumbai had Bumrah but he was 21 year old at the time and nothing like the bowler he is today. He was not nothing special until 2016.

Pakistan today is a nothing side. Our bowlers are deeply mediocre and they will get massacred by Indian batsmen.

Nearly every IPL franchise today is better than the current Pakistan team.
 
I am sorry but if you are trying to prove that Indian batsman are good on UAE pitches than Pakistan then it is hardly a secret. The real question which has been discussed to length here has been Indian bowling vs Pak bowling. If Indian bowlers are getting a phainty on UAE pitches then that question still remains valid. Bumrah, Shami, Ishant should stay away from this league and save their precious bowling performances for International cricket. Not even their friends and family members will remember these tamasha matches after few weeks. :inti
You will dance like shakira in the same ipl if you get the same money bumrah gets.
Easier said then done..
 
I don't always agree with Mamoon but he is speaking the bitter truth here.

The average 1st innings score of the UAE portion of PSL 2019 was 149. So far in IPL 2020, the average is 184.

Comparing the number of fifties scored, four out of the top ten fiftymakers in PSL 2020 are Pakistani. In IPL 2020, six of the top ten fiftymakers are Indian.

As far as sixhitting is concerned, there's only one Pakistani in the top five sixhitters in PSL 2020. Currently in IPL 2020, and granted the tournament isn't completed yet, the top five sixhitters are all Indian batsmen.

It's clear India have far more depth in quality young batsmen than us, and to improve we must explore why - not hide behind the claim it's because we have greater domestic bowling strength (which's patently untrue otherwise we wouldn't be ranked 7th and 6th in Tests and ODIs). We must improve the quality of technical coaching at grassroots level, and invest in good wickets with decent pace and carry that allow free shotmaking.

Come the World T20 in 2021, our T20 side will still have the same old top 3 of Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli. No young batsman will get a run under Kohli. Someone like KL Rahul, who clearly has been our best T20 batsman in the last 2 years, has to keep wickets and bat at 4 for a consistent run in the team.

Pant did get a run but was put under too much pressure by the team management with the coach captain, selectors all publicly rebuking him for his lack of maturity! He also has his own shot selection to blame for his failures.

Perhaps the best thing would be for Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli to be rested and giving a run to a young team of Mayank, Samson, Rahul, Iyer and Pant as our top 5 with Gill and Mayank as backup batsmen for a series or two. Rahul or Iyer could be the captain. Sounds wishful and isn't happening unfortunately.
 
I have seen bits of the IPL this year and the pace bowling in the IPL isnt as good as the PSL. This combined with the better batsmen means very high scores. ABD couldn't get a run in the PSL but he looks a beast against these bowlers. I didn't think the PK spinners were any good but I have been surprised how poorly the spinners in the IPL have performed. The fielding in the IPL is excellent and poor in the PSL.
 
I don't always agree with Mamoon but he is speaking the bitter truth here.

The average 1st innings score of the UAE portion of PSL 2019 was 149. So far in IPL 2020, the average is 184.

Comparing the number of fifties scored, four out of the top ten fiftymakers in PSL 2020 are Pakistani. In IPL 2020, six of the top ten fiftymakers are Indian.

As far as sixhitting is concerned, there's only one Pakistani in the top five sixhitters in PSL 2020. Currently in IPL 2020, and granted the tournament isn't completed yet, the top five sixhitters are all Indian batsmen.

It's clear India have far more depth in quality young batsmen than us, and to improve we must explore why - not hide behind the claim it's because we have greater domestic bowling strength (which's patently untrue otherwise we wouldn't be ranked 7th and 6th in Tests and ODIs). We must improve the quality of technical coaching at grassroots level, and invest in good wickets with decent pace and carry that allow free shotmaking.

I dont think depth of young batting talent in India was up for debate in the T20 format and at the same time its not a hidden fact Pakistan needs better batsmen to come through.

In terms of bowling I have raised this question few times and yet to get a response even from Indian posters that which young Indian pacers you rate (Outside of Bumrah, Shami and probably Bhuvi) that have quality wise and technically impressed you? Which do ones do you think would be hot commodities in The 100, BBL etc. or maybe turn out to be future stars of world cricket.

As a keen observe of cricket I am really interested in knowing the answer. As I have been following cricket for sometime and havent been too impressed with what I have seen till now in terms of local bowling talent in IPL but again I am also just human and my judgement can be wrong, also I havent watched all the matches and pacers. So would like which young pace bowlers from India have particular impressed you and why.
 
I have seen bits of the IPL this year and the pace bowling in the IPL isnt as good as the PSL. This combined with the better batsmen means very high scores. ABD couldn't get a run in the PSL but he looks a beast against these bowlers. I didn't think the PK spinners were any good but I have been surprised how poorly the spinners in the IPL have performed. The fielding in the IPL is excellent and poor in the PSL.
The fielding has been average in the IPL barring a few brilliant moments. There have been innumerable drop catches, a lot of sitters have been dropped
 
I dont think depth of young batting talent in India was up for debate in the T20 format and at the same time its not a hidden fact Pakistan needs better batsmen to come through.

In terms of bowling I have raised this question few times and yet to get a response even from Indian posters that which young Indian pacers you rate (Outside of Bumrah, Shami and probably Bhuvi) that have quality wise and technically impressed you? Which do ones do you think would be hot commodities in The 100, BBL etc. or maybe turn out to be future stars of world cricket.

As a keen observe of cricket I am really interested in knowing the answer. As I have been following cricket for sometime and havent been too impressed with what I have seen till now in terms of local bowling talent in IPL but again I am also just human and my judgement can be wrong, also I havent watched all the matches and pacers. So would like which young pace bowlers from India have particular impressed you and why.

Saini is pretty impressive.. how he develops considering he is 27 already is a diff story, bowled excellent today.
 
I have seen bits of the IPL this year and the pace bowling in the IPL isnt as good as the PSL. This combined with the better batsmen means very high scores. ABD couldn't get a run in the PSL but he looks a beast against these bowlers. I didn't think the PK spinners were any good but I have been surprised how poorly the spinners in the IPL have performed. The fielding in the IPL is excellent and poor in the PSL.

ABD scored 218 runs @54.50 in 7 matches of psl.

It included a 29 ball 50.

So much for not buying a run.

ABDV is one of the greatest batsman to step on the field, he is not in need of psl certificate.
 
I have seen bits of the IPL this year and the pace bowling in the IPL isnt as good as the PSL. This combined with the better batsmen means very high scores. ABD couldn't get a run in the PSL but he looks a beast against these bowlers. I didn't think the PK spinners were any good but I have been surprised how poorly the spinners in the IPL have performed. The fielding in the IPL is excellent and poor in the PSL.

Washington Sundar gave 12 runs in 4 overs opened the bowling today where 200 was scored by both teams.. I think Spinners in IPL are better, maybe a case can be made for local fast bowling talent where PSL might be better.
 
Saini is pretty impressive.. how he develops considering he is 27 already is a diff story, bowled excellent today.

He is pretty good, has pace and good enough accuracy to back that. In terms of lateral movement I think there is a lot of roam to improve, havent seen him move the new ball much even when he played for India and also no indication of reverse though dew in UAE is a hindrance but havent seen him getting much of that ever based upon what I have seen (Correct me if I am wrong). So he can work onto that aspect to be successful against good batsmen in longer formats and even in T20s who can line him up if he misses his lengths.
 
Why can’t we Pakistani and Indian fans enjoy the cricket which is being played instead of saying which team/league/player is better?

Some of y’all are way too toxic.
 
I have seen bits of the IPL this year and the pace bowling in the IPL isnt as good as the PSL. This combined with the better batsmen means very high scores. ABD couldn't get a run in the PSL but he looks a beast against these bowlers. I didn't think the PK spinners were any good but I have been surprised how poorly the spinners in the IPL have performed. The fielding in the IPL is excellent and poor in the PSL.

I agree. I cant see Pollard acoring these 20 ball 60s in the psl. Even Ab was average in the UAE leg of the PSL
 
ABD scored 218 runs @54.50 in 7 matches of psl.

It included a 29 ball 50.

So much for not buying a run.

ABDV is one of the greatest batsman to step on the field, he is not in need of psl certificate.

Just checked...and surprised to see that its true. Pollard around the top 10 in 2019. Why were the resident guys complaining about them failing?
 
Why can’t we Pakistani and Indian fans enjoy the cricket which is being played instead of saying which team/league/player is better?

Some of y’all are way too toxic.

I agree. Extreme of one side has led to an extreme on another side and people keep on joining that tug of war. No point in keep on trying to prove which player, league etc. is better every other day.
 
I have seen bits of the IPL this year and the pace bowling in the IPL isnt as good as the PSL. This combined with the better batsmen means very high scores. ABD couldn't get a run in the PSL but he looks a beast against these bowlers. I didn't think the PK spinners were any good but I have been surprised how poorly the spinners in the IPL have performed. The fielding in the IPL is excellent and poor in the PSL.

De Villiers did well in PSL. However, the likes of Gayle and McCullum failed.

The problem with citing individual examples is that it can work both ways.

If the lack of success of IPL superstars like Gayle and McCullum indicates the superior bowling of PSL, then the success of the likes of Ronchi, Dunk, Kamran etc. in PSL suggests otherwise.

The pool of overseas bowlers in PSL is shockingly bad. Our local bowlers are not very good either which is why Pakistan has poor rankings in Tests and ODIs. India have been the better bowling side in the previous decade.
 
I agree. I cant see Pollard acoring these 20 ball 60s in the psl. Even Ab was average in the UAE leg of the PSL

Pollard in IPL : Batting average 28, Strike rate 148

Pollard in PSL: Batting average 33, Strike rate 166 (2nd best strike rate in PSL history for those with 500+ runs)

Perhaps I learnt to read and compare numbers differently!

BTW Pollard did hit 51(22) and 55(27) in PSL 2029. Also had 44(21) and 44(22). Maybe you don't notice when he hits bigger in PSL 😀
 
It was in 2014, this is 2020. IPL is a lot bigger and better now. The standard of batting has only gone up.

Besides, Lahore Lions, with plenty of international players, beat a weak Mumbai team who were without Rohit.

Mumbai had the following batting lineup:

Simmons
Hussey
Saxena
Rayudu
Tare
Pollard

That is a terrible lineup. Hussey is the only quality top order batsman in that lineup but this match was in 2014 and he was finished by then.

Any half-decent T20 side would walk over this awful batting lineup.

In comparison, Lahore Lions had Shehzad, Jamshed, Hafeez and Umar Akmal. A more than decent lineup especially for 2014 and clearly better than Mumbai IndiansÂ’.

Mumbai had Bumrah but he was 21 year old at the time and nothing like the bowler he is today. He was not nothing special until 2016.

Pakistan today is a nothing side. Our bowlers are deeply mediocre and they will get massacred by Indian batsmen.

Nearly every IPL franchise today is better than the current Pakistan team.


Clearly pollard is a nobody and he means nothing to the Mumbai Indians team as we saw today right. Man youÂ’re just sore pollard is the backbone of Mumbai Indians team their most valuable player by a long way. On top of that international experience lol shehzad jamshed and Umar akmal arenÂ’t they suppose to be trash players in your book since when did they hold so much strength over pollard hussey rayudu simmons whom were all top Mumbai Indian players at the time and even are winning their franchises game till this date. YouÂ’re way over youÂ’re head and you know you just canÂ’t admit it.
 
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De Villiers did well in PSL. However, the likes of Gayle and McCullum failed.

The problem with citing individual examples is that it can work both ways.

If the lack of success of IPL superstars like Gayle and McCullum indicates the superior bowling of PSL, then the success of the likes of Ronchi, Dunk, Kamran etc. in PSL suggests otherwise.

The pool of overseas bowlers in PSL is shockingly bad. Our local bowlers are not very good either which is why Pakistan has poor rankings in Tests and ODIs. India have been the better bowling side in the previous decade.

From memory ABD hadnt set the tournament alight. He looked OK but here he looks a beast even after hardly playing in the last of couple of years and struggling in the big bash. Our bowlers in the PSL are on par if not better from the bits I have seen. No doubt the IPL has good bowlers but none of the bowlers that played in the PSL would have anything to fear. The batting in the IPL is better and the fielding is on a different planet compared to the plodder in the PSL. Our local bowlers seemed to raise their game for franchise cricket and don't perform for PK like they should.
 
Washington Sundar gave 12 runs in 4 overs opened the bowling today where 200 was scored by both teams.. I think Spinners in IPL are better, maybe a case can be made for local fast bowling talent where PSL might be better.

I was talking generally, I have been disappointed with the Ind spinners, who I considered to be a level above our non spinning spinners but maybe age is catching up with the Ind spinners.
 
ABD scored 218 runs @54.50 in 7 matches of psl.

It included a 29 ball 50.

So much for not buying a run.

ABDV is one of the greatest batsman to step on the field, he is not in need of psl certificate.

If you watched his innings he struggled maybe the stats don't show that. But if you saw him play you will know what I mean.
 
The fielding has been average in the IPL barring a few brilliant moments. There have been innumerable drop catches, a lot of sitters have been dropped

I haven't seen those bits but I commented on the bits I have seen. Sometimes catches are dropped to poor or low lights.
 
I don't always agree with Mamoon but he is speaking the bitter truth here.

The average 1st innings score of the UAE portion of PSL 2019 was 149. So far in IPL 2020, the average is 184.

Comparing the number of fifties scored, four out of the top ten fiftymakers in PSL 2020 are Pakistani. In IPL 2020, six of the top ten fiftymakers are Indian.

As far as sixhitting is concerned, there's only one Pakistani in the top five sixhitters in PSL 2020. Currently in IPL 2020, and granted the tournament isn't completed yet, the top five sixhitters are all Indian batsmen.

It's clear India have far more depth in quality young batsmen than us, and to improve we must explore why - not hide behind the claim it's because we have greater domestic bowling strength (which's patently untrue otherwise we wouldn't be ranked 7th and 6th in Tests and ODIs). We must improve the quality of technical coaching at grassroots level, and invest in good wickets with decent pace and carry that allow free shotmaking.

I don't see anyone denying that India have far more depth in quality in young batsmen.

But we do have better depth in bowling strength for sure.
 
After reading the comments, I just watched a random PSL game. Apparently a very rated match.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hBBtPDxkhY

Some random Vince guy is smashing Pakistani bowlers all over the park for the first 9 minutes. I saw Rahat bowl absolute rubbish.

After getting smashed all over the park Rauf is seen celebrating the wicket of some Laurie.

And who is this oldie Wiese? He absolutely destroyed the other team. Made 45* off 20.

Seriously, who are these Vince, Laurie, and Wiese?

Although I have to give it to the Pakistani fans in the stadium. They are really enjoying it.
 
Pollard in IPL : Batting average 28, Strike rate 148

Pollard in PSL: Batting average 33, Strike rate 166 (2nd best strike rate in PSL history for those with 500+ runs)

Perhaps I learnt to read and compare numbers differently!

BTW Pollard did hit 51(22) and 55(27) in PSL 2029. Also had 44(21) and 44(22). Maybe you don't notice when he hits bigger in PSL 😀

Pollard in IPL 151 matches 138 inn... 2846 runs...... SR 148. Avg 29.34 with 15 50s...
Pollard in PSL...73 matches runs 919.....
Balls 654 SR 140. Ave.....not even 20......15.33 something........
 
ABD scored 218 runs @54.50 in 7 matches of psl.

It included a 29 ball 50.

So much for not buying a run.

ABDV is one of the greatest batsman to step on the field, he is not in need of psl certificate.

218 runs 7 matches....@128 SR......including 33 of 32 .....45 of 40.....3 from 5 ....25 from 17 and only one 50.....just one.......even taking that 29 ball 52.....his overall SR is 128......... His ave is 52 though but baring one innings it's by an large struggle....... If u dig out stats u have to dig dip and his average is somewhat better bcoz he drop down from 3 to 5..... And has 3 not outs.......his IPL stats. 4535 @40 odd....@152...... With highest of 133*......
In this season 3 matches 140 runs Ave 70....SR 184.21.....with 2 50s.......

There is a reason to every thing.......only arguing in multiple threads just to score some brownie points.....for the sake of arguing......have no value.....

I have already list out Pollard's PSL and IPL stats....

Now Gayle......in IPL...

4484 runs @40 odd @151 SR with a whooping 6 centuries......and in 2019 season where he last played......490 runs @40.83 @ 153.60 with HS 99*......

In Psl....
In 14 matches across 2 seasons.....263 runs @18.78 @127.05......

Kp in PSL.......611 @26.6
Kp in Ipl .....1001 @35.75......

Russel in PSL......134 @12.18 ..in 13 matches...
Russel in IPL.....1400 @33.3 3 @ 186.....in 64 matches.....

Now last but not least Bravo DJ bravo DJ champion champion Bravo.....

in Ipl.......1483 runs @130.....with 147 wickets .....4th highest wicket taker he has overall 490 t20 wickets ...the highest

in PSL.....14 games....134 runs @ 14.84....with only 11 wickets to show for....

That's all my honour.....Doodh ka doodh pani ka pani ...
 
I hope no further stats will be required i haven't taken into account McCallum and all
 
After reading the comments, I just watched a random PSL game. Apparently a very rated match.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hBBtPDxkhY

Some random Vince guy is smashing Pakistani bowlers all over the park for the first 9 minutes. I saw Rahat bowl absolute rubbish.

After getting smashed all over the park Rauf is seen celebrating the wicket of some Laurie.

And who is this oldie Wiese? He absolutely destroyed the other team. Made 45* off 20.

Seriously, who are these Vince, Laurie, and Wiese?

Although I have to give it to the Pakistani fans in the stadium. They are really enjoying it.

Hahaha couldn't stop laughing 😂😂

They even question about the credibility of the likes of abd, Gayle, baz and comparing their Ipl performances during their peak years to their PSL performance in the later stage of their careers!

But still nobody seems to have any answer about how the likes of the PSL greats such as akmals, shahzads, ronchis, dunks, delports and some other washed up nobodies have been dominating the so called good talented bowlers and topping the scoring chart almost every season *****
Which also begs the question that "are Abd, Gayle, baz worse than these above mentioned PSL legends?"
 
Hahaha couldn't stop laughing 😂😂

They even question about the credibility of the likes of abd, Gayle, baz and comparing their Ipl performances during their peak years to their PSL performance in the later stage of their careers!

But still nobody seems to have any answer about how the likes of the PSL greats such as akmals, shahzads, ronchis, dunks, delports and some other washed up nobodies have been dominating the so called good talented bowlers and topping the scoring chart almost every season *****
Which also begs the question that "are Abd, Gayle, baz worse than these above mentioned PSL legends?"

Made my day......so at their peak and at their end ....ha ha....AB and GAYLE at their end is still tonking ur GOLD STANDARD bowlers......see his stats in 2019 edition.....oh by the way he was unsold in Psl the previous season......

Vince is a regular in ODI squad......and had played tests too.....Dunk is an t20 veteran.....has exciting Big bash stats.....and a Melbourne Star regular .....so is Lynn.....for Adelaide strikers......
Kamran Akmal is a domestic giant as far as batting goes......his weakness is keeping and fielding.......everyone knows....shehzad hardly got a game this season.......delport has an overall strike rate of 140...... Ronchi has overal 153 SR in over 200 T20 matches worldwide......his T20I SR is 140......so u know what I mean.....
Moreover he has just a year left in him.....let the PSL 2nd leg start and the next season ........plus national t20......

We will keep u interested
 
Hahaha couldn't stop laughing 😂😂

They even question about the credibility of the likes of abd, Gayle, baz and comparing their Ipl performances during their peak years to their PSL performance in the later stage of their careers!

But still nobody seems to have any answer about how the likes of the PSL greats such as akmals, shahzads, ronchis, dunks, delports and some other washed up nobodies have been dominating the so called good talented bowlers and topping the scoring chart almost every season *****
Which also begs the question that "are Abd, Gayle, baz worse than these above mentioned PSL legends?"

Love it how you cherry pick the names you want to.

Last season top scorer was Babar Azam followed by Chris Lynn.
Season before it was Shane Watson.
Ronchi had one good season in 2018.
And before 2018 Akmal brothers were always good T20 batsmens they even have hammered international bowlers for Pakistan. Last 2 years their performances been downhill that's why no where near the Pakistan team.
Ben Dunk only had a good season last PSL but he wasn't top scorer as you claim and before last PSL he wasn't even known.
This is how players make a name of themselves just like Dawid Malan who's name you left out as he is number 1 T20 batsmen now if he wasn't and was hardly in England team you would have mentioned his name. He had a poor first PSL and second PSL he came in the team after half way and made runs and his team won it. After he got a debut for England limited overs team and then test team. He credits PSL for his development who gave him the chance.

Dawid Malan has credited the Pakistan Super League (PSL) for his professional development as international cricketer, and heaped praise on the league’s standard of play.
The 32-year-old batsman, who is representing Islamabad United in the PSL 2020, termed the league as “one of the strongest” and added that one needed to be a quick learner in order to survive, a private news channel reported.
“My cricket has developed and this tournament taught me the lessons, I needed to play international cricket,” he said.
“This is one of the strongest leagues around. The quality of cricket is unbelievable and if you dont learn quickly enough you fall behind very quickly.”
 
Made my day......so at their peak and at their end ....ha ha....AB and GAYLE at their end is still tonking ur GOLD STANDARD bowlers......see his stats in 2019 edition.....oh by the way he was unsold in Psl the previous season......

Vince is a regular in ODI squad......and had played tests too.....Dunk is an t20 veteran.....has exciting Big bash stats.....and a Melbourne Star regular .....so is Lynn.....for Adelaide strikers......
Kamran Akmal is a domestic giant as far as batting goes......his weakness is keeping and fielding.......everyone knows....shehzad hardly got a game this season.......delport has an overall strike rate of 140...... Ronchi has overal 153 SR in over 200 T20 matches worldwide......his T20I SR is 140......so u know what I mean.....
Moreover he has just a year left in him.....let the PSL 2nd leg start and the next season ........plus national t20......

We will keep u interested

Thanks for the info. Didn’t know about most of these guys except Kami who’s a domestic legend. Hidden gems, I guess. You missed Wiese who looks like a promising all rounder going by how he smashed the PSL bowlers.

Also, who are Evans and Laurie? Saw their names too in the same game. And was the Taylor, the Zimbo player? Pls let me know.
 
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After tonight's game it is clear that IPL is simply the pinnacle of T20 cricket. It was well worth postponing WT20 for this magnificent spectacle.

Amazing standard of cricket, amazingly well matched teams.

Finishing a match with the best T20I batsman playing the best T20I bowler.

Just plain WOW.

The highest form of T20 cricket in the world.

A true spectacle.

Thank you BCCI for this experience.

Just because it was a close game its the pinnacle of T20 cricket. Even PSL had tied games. Their was more drama when Karachi in a must win game needed 10 of 2 balls and Pollard hit 2 sixes. Or when Quetta in a must win game needed 25 runs to win and out of no where Anwar Ali hit a 4 and three 6s. 3 was needed last ball and their was a drop catch and lazy running and they lost by 1 run.
Lahore vs Karachi. With Lahore requiring 16 of last over and then 3 of last ball and last ball their was a catch but it was a no ball. Went to last ball 2 needed and they tied and went to super over.
Islamabad vs Lahore. Lahore needed 7 of 4 with last wicket they hit a six to tie and then Sami got the last wicket to take it into a super over. Then Chasing 16 Russell hit 10 of the last 2 balls to win it for Islamabad.

These are some of the games on top of my head I remember. Their been more. But it don't mean it's pinnacle of T20 cricket.
And I didn't see the best T20I batsmen or bowler in the super over lol.
 
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Thanks for the info. Didn’t know about most of these guys except Kami who’s a domestic legend. Hidden gems, I guess. You missed Wiese who looks like a promising all rounder going by how he smashed the PSL bowlers.

Also, who are Evans and Laurie? Saw their names too in the same game. And was the Taylor, the Zimbo player? Pls let me know.

Wiese and Morris plays for SA in t20s....yes the Zimbos ex captain.....taylor.... U have forgot Malan roy Hales Banton too my dear frnd
 
After tonight's game it is clear that IPL is simply the pinnacle of T20 cricket. It was well worth postponing WT20 for this magnificent spectacle.

Amazing standard of cricket, amazingly well matched teams.

Finishing a match with the best T20I batsman playing the best T20I bowler.

Just plain WOW.

U must be thankful bcoz otherwise this Kohli Bumrah Sami would cost india dearly.....plus kuldeep.....they are key players and r struggling....u r lucky.

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Wiese and Morris plays for SA in t20s....yes the Zimbos ex captain.....taylor.... U have forgot Malan roy Hales Banton too my dear frnd

I’m referring to the game that I watched. It didn’t have the names you mentioned - neither was Chris Morris playing. There was some other guy called Evans and one called Laurie.
 
I’m referring to the game that I watched. It didn’t have the names you mentioned - neither was Chris Morris playing. There was some other guy called Evans and one called Laurie.

U asked me about Wiese ......I have told about him...... U r talking about Laurie Evans most probably .....he is from Surrey England........he has over 3500 t20 runs @131...... He has played just one season in 2019........ 5 games only.......
 
Thanks for the info. Didn’t know about most of these guys except Kami who’s a domestic legend. Hidden gems, I guess. You missed Wiese who looks like a promising all rounder going by how he smashed the PSL bowlers.

Also, who are Evans and Laurie? Saw their names too in the same game. And was the Taylor, the Zimbo player? Pls let me know.

Why you being so sarcastic for. Wiese only made runs in few games. In that terms Tewatia who no one knows is better then Kohli and all Indian batsmens after his knock two days ago.

Cherry picking one game and getting few names out don't mean nothing. They ain't been regulars for their PSL teams. Don't even remember Taylor playing in PSL last season I'm sure he wasn't selected. Season before Lahore did select him he played few games then dropped.
If you cherry pick one game and few names who played the odd games then same cam be done for other leagues. And it's common sense their well be some less known international players as back up to the main 4 international players in PSL because of availability. And the back up players will get a game or 2 if team not doing well.

Even IPL had such names. I bet you don't even know a player with the name of Tyron Henderson has played few games in IPL lol. Compare that to Wiese who is still known abit and making a name of himself just like Dawid Malan was unknown when he played PSL. How comes you didn't mention Malans name. Don't lie now you knew him before PSL. See how Malan after PSL got England debut in all formats and now is ranked number 1 in T20I.
Dawid Malan has credited the Pakistan Super League (PSL) for his professional development as international cricketer, and heaped praise on the league’s standard of play.
The 32-year-old batsman, who is representing Islamabad United in the PSL 2020, termed the league as “one of the strongest” and added that one needed to be a quick learner in order to survive, a private news channel reported.
“My cricket has developed and this tournament taught me the lessons, I needed to play international cricket,” he said.
“This is one of the strongest leagues around. The quality of cricket is unbelievable and if you dont learn quickly enough you fall behind very quickly.”
 
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I’m referring to the game that I watched. It didn’t have the names you mentioned - neither was Chris Morris playing. There was some other guy called Evans and one called Laurie.

So you watched a random game of PSL and that too not last PSL the previous PSL. Can you stop fooling yourself. I watched a IPL game with Tyrone Henderson. Can you give some details about him please I was surprised as even commentators were going on about where is this guy from they never heard of him.
 
I’m referring to the game that I watched. It didn’t have the names you mentioned - neither was Chris Morris playing. There was some other guy called Evans and one called Laurie.

Hales Kk......Banton zalmi..... Malan Zalmi
 
Wiese and Morris plays for SA in t20s....yes the Zimbos ex captain.....taylor.... U have forgot Malan roy Hales Banton too my dear frnd

He only remembers players that are reserves or played a game or 2 but not regulars as they household names. I bet he don't remember Tyrone Henderson who has played IPL lol
 
He only remembers players that are reserves or played a game or 2 but not regulars as they household names. I bet he don't remember Tyrone Henderson who has played IPL lol

He is keenly watching every available videos now.....LOL
 
Lower scores might have something to do with tactics of these teams. E.g. teams with a weak lower order but strong bowling will make lesser scores. That's just speculation though, more analysis could be done. I do remember that IPL sides have had teams that stock up bowling according to the home pitch in IPL and often lower scores come up as well
 
T20 is a game which is massively tactically underdeveloped. Similarly to ODIs when run inflation happened but teams still prefered to play slowly(e.g. England). In the future these kind of run chases will be the norm once people understand T20 better
 
T20 is a game which is massively tactically underdeveloped. Similarly to ODIs when run inflation happened but teams still prefered to play slowly(e.g. England). In the future these kind of run chases will be the norm once people understand T20 better

Poor death bowling will always take the score from 150 160 to 210 220......when u can hit 30 runs in a over....20 runs in a over.......any score is achievable.......even Bumrah didn't help his reputation......
 
Don't think there's any PSL side that doesn't have 4-5 genuine weak links in their unit. Hence lower scores if marquee players don't fire. IPL teams are quite evenly matched on paper.
 
UAe pitches are by nature low and slow baring Sharjah....... Due to due plus poor same type of bowling....batsman are playing for longer time even staying not out..... Mayank Rahul Rohit Ishan almost played entire innings....even Manish and Saha.......
 
UAe pitches are by nature low and slow baring Sharjah....... Due to due plus poor same type of bowling....batsman are playing for longer time even staying not out..... Mayank Rahul Rohit Ishan almost played entire innings....even Manish and Saha.......

Dew*
 
Don't think there's any PSL side that doesn't have 4-5 genuine weak links in their unit. Hence lower scores if marquee players don't fire. IPL teams are quite evenly matched on paper.

Timing of PSl don't help either plus poor pitch preparation......
 
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