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U19 and U23 players play in PSL and IPL too, don't they? The point was to compare the difference in quality.
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Yeah. Fair enough.
Asia cup 2018 was also supposed to be a 3 match Indo-Pak series according to many posters here. Too bad things turned out the way they turned out and we couldn't see the series finale.
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Tewatia playing one innings vs Kamran dominating an entire season? Lol.
Last decade when Amir asif was banned
Pak stop playing at home....
Inzy yousuf retired....
AKHTAR retired....
Now pak is playing at home......I don't think the results of the coming decade won't be so one-sided......90s and early part belongs to Pak.....Ind won the 2000s till 2019....but the coming decade would be different.
Why...???
A... PSL would happen in Pak..
B. More series against top sides in Pak means batsman and bowlers have advantage of home environment and players are handed out debuts in home condition in front of home crowd...that's a big plus...
C .the decade earlier was marred with injuries poor management and sagas outside the field.......
D. Now pcb is honestly appearing more organised as A tours u19 tours are being organised .
E. Now domestic competition is not meaningless as earlier and the 2nd XI aspect has open the door for many youngsters who other
Tewatia dube heck even Archer
I have simply highlighted all men's matches these 2 teams played in last decade except the warm ups. U19 and U23 games are proper matches which shows the bench strength and upcoming talents. These are not benefit games, so wouldnt I include?
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*2nd grade.*
If you're taking about white ball cricket in general, then yes.. definitely 3rd grade.
1st Grade - ODI world cup
2nd grade - T20 world cup
3rd grade - Champions Trophy
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None of them were among the top scorers across an entire season.
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because some players mature later then others whereas some players start off well and then fall away.
I think comparing under 23 and under 19 teams is dishonest.
*2nd grade.*
If you're taking about white ball cricket in general, then yes.. definitely 3rd grade.
1st Grade - ODI world cup
2nd grade - T20 world cup
3rd grade - Champions Trophy
Ha ha...so test v Eng in eng which grade
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Why are you contradicting yourselves ? You say ifs and buts don't count and then proceed to do the same.
And what makes you think that Pakistan would have surely won against Sri Lanka? If Sri Lanka can beat England and Pakistan/Indian can almost lose to Afghanistan, how are Pakistan clear cut favourites against Sri Lanka ?
The difference in rankings is just one spot.
Bcoz they won't get much chance as top order is not getting out LOL
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It depends who you're asking ?
An Australian would surely take an away Ashes win in England over an ICC event.
An Indian fan would pick winning an ICC event and a Test series win in Australia (full strength) and South Africa over a series win in England. It's the same for a Pakistani too I think.
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Respect your opinion. Would you say IPL is the pinnacle of T20 cricket and better then World T20?
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Under 19 don't mean much. Anwar Ali ripped apart Indian batting line up in the final likes of Rohit and Pujara couldn't play him. Look at his career and Rohits and Pujara.
So from now on just to up H2H under 19, 18 and 23 games going to included lol.
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Now you'll say Kamran Akmal is better than Steve Smith because he scored against better bowling.
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Hassan Ali also ripped through English batters like Bairstow, Morgan and Stokes in the champions trophy. Now look where they are and where Hassan Ali is....
So I guess international cricket "doesn't mean much" too....
It depends who you're asking ?
An Australian would surely take an away Ashes win in England over an ICC event.
An Indian fan would pick winning an ICC event and a Test series win in Australia (full strength) and South Africa over a series win in England. It's the same for a Pakistani too I think.
Yes against 2nd string Aussie side.....ICC events always tops it....it's the pinnacle....every country plays....bilateral series can be heavily in favour of home side......when whole of cricket world plays in it......doing well there is a altogether different thing
What ever happens to Fakhar Bumrah Hasan Ali....they all will be remembered for that single match only.....where Bumrah bowled a noball Fakhar smashed u all and Hasan Ali was bowler of the tournament just like Joginder sharma of wt20 final.....and the West Indian last pair who won them the 2004 champions trophy accept it or not
Why are you contradicting yourselves ? You say ifs and buts don't count and then proceed to do the same.
And what makes you think that Pakistan would have surely won against Sri Lanka? If Sri Lanka can beat England and Pakistan/Indian can almost lose to Afghanistan, how are Pakistan clear cut favourites against Sri Lanka ?
The difference in rankings is just one spot.
I am not contradicting myself at all I was saying that it doesn't count if I say had we beaten SL etc Hope you understand the point. Pakistan was not good enough to get through over the whole of group stage no single team knocked Pakistan out.
Even if you dont include U19, U23 games....the record stands:
Total games - 21
Ind won - 16
Pak won - 5
Which honestly looks worse than when I initially included U19 and ACC emerging matches
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Cricket is still a game followed under national banner - no matter what they do, IPL or any Franchise league will not reach to the level of WC, at least not in next couple of decades. I am sure most Indians will follow World Cup more than IPL. These days, IND-PAK contest is becoming embarrassingly one sided, otherwise most Indians would have chosen a twelve weeks long PAK series over IPL.
Yes, it might happen in long run simply because the game is dyeing in most countries and it might end like 3 countries are so far ahead of others that out side that trio, International games are almost meaningless. It's like winning NBA is much tougher than winning Basketball WC - in cricket's case, instead of one superpower, there could be three or may be four (SAF, if they can sort their house) super powers ....
My interest with cricket is almost done with the land slide decline of PAK & WIN, and the overdose of batting dominant LO games, that too mostly T20s. After Test cricket, what I liked most is even contested ODIs with a match total between 450 to 575. And, obviously next few years Liverpool is going to be something worth watching ........
Yes, it might happen in long run simply because the game is dyeing in most countries and it might end like 3 countries are so far ahead of others that out side that trio, International games are almost meaningless. It's like winning NBA is much tougher than winning Basketball WC - in cricket's case, instead of one superpower, there could be three or may be four (SAF, if they can sort their house) super powers ....
My interest with cricket is almost done with the land slide decline of PAK & WIN, and the overdose of batting dominant LO games, that too mostly T20s. After Test cricket, what I liked most is even contested ODIs with a match total between 450 to 575. And, obviously next few years Liverpool is going to be something worth watching ........
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Lol its not like Hasan Ali had one good game. He was best bowler in champions trophy and has done well for Pakistan prior to that and after. But last 2 years his performances have dipped alongside injury that's why he's dropped. Once he starts performing well again domestically and PSL he will get another go.
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Even if you dont include U19, U23 games....the record stands:
Total games - 21
Ind won - 16
Pak won - 5
Which honestly looks worse than when I initially included U19 and ACC emerging matches
One good decade and look at your arrogance. Seemed like all those decade defeats still hurt and the Overall H2H. Unfortunately you will never catch up in H2H. Even in our worst phase we beat you in a series in your home and whipped you in the Champions Trophy final. The biggest game last decade alongside the Mohali semi final.
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And that is why fans should try to stay grounded. Even in your worst phase, without cricket at home, without playing against top teams regularly like India does, you didn't let that H2H record slip away from you.
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That one good decade would apply to a team like WI in the 70-80 or Pakistan in the 90’s because they had a bunch of match winners all at once.
India on the other hand has been just growing and growing since the 80’s because we have a process in place.
Batsmen: do I even have to discuss this?
Problem with fast bowlers- fixed, we have a world class pace attack
Bowling options- we have a world class off spinner, leg spinners, left arm spinner and even China man bowler.
Allrounders- well we at least have options now if not Pandya then someone else but we will fix it eventually.
Wicket keepers- we have 4 keeper bats now that can basically walk into the top 3 of any team.
India doesn’t hype the 83 win the same way that Pakistan does.
We won 2 CT but didn’t even realize it was that important since the Pakistanis have been rubbing that fluke win in our faces for 3+ years now
Our arrogance stems from not what we won or will win but the confidence that we have a machine/ factory that not only produces talent but can also make middling talent into world beaters.
A guy like Amir or Sharjeel wouldn’t even be given a second look after what they did because we would have 10 others to replace them. That’s the harsh truth.
Pakistanis have a passion for cricket just like India and they will produce talent but will they get anywhere is the question.
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CT is now a defunct tournament. But anyways. So that one match takes away a decade of getting beaten by India.
India still leads the H2H in Odis and T20s and tests from 2000.
Thats 2 decades.
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Lol at hurt. No-one cares about that useless H2H record with those random Coca cola and pepsi cups.
We have whipped you left, right and centre at big events with the whole world watching. No Indian fan will ever swap that big ol' 12-0 WC record with that 70-50 whatever bilateral record.
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Yes keep telling yourself that you won't swap that. Theirs a massive gap H2H record which you know India can never catch so keep that ICC record for now. For you guys the champions trophy final was useless. All that arrogance was ended that day
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Well in the last decade it was the biggest game alongside the Mohali semi final. But yes its a nothing match as you guys got a battering. All the hype and arrogance you guys were showing and then when got beat till today can't accept it as that much it hurt you guys.
Take away last decade and see the H2H in the 2000s era.
Even if you lead 2 decades it will take you guys another 10 decades to catch up lol.
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WI had a huge h2h vs every team too at one point lol. So what? Congrats on the CT win, we learnt from our mistakes and brought out A game in the next 3 games, I guess you missed it due to the CT celebration party that is still going on
What arrogance? I was replying to the poster Pakhs who was claiming Pak and Ind were closely contested in last decade. 16- 5 is far from being closely contested....its battering of highest order and that too most of them being one sided.
Which decade you are talking about? Lets look into last decade then (2000- 2009):
Asia cup 2000 - Pak beat Ind
World cup 2003 - Ind beat Pak
Asia cup 2004 - Pak beat Ind
CT 2004 - Pak beat Ind
Ind tour of Pak 2004 - Ind won ODI series (3-2), Ind won test series (2-1).
Platinum Jubilee match - Pak beat Ind.
Pak tour of Ind 2005 - Test series drawn (1-1), Pak won ODI series (3-2).
Ind tour of Pak 2006 - Pak won test series (1-0), Ind won ODI series (4-1).
WT20 2007 game 1 - Ind beat Pak
WT20 2007 Finals - Ind beat Pak
Pak tour of Ind 2008 - Ind won ODI series (3-2), Ind won test series (1-0).
Asia cup 2008 game 1 - Ind beat Pak.
Asia cup 2008 game 2 - Pak beat Ind.
CT 2009 - Pak beat Ind
Total matches - 37
Ind won - 21
Pak won - 16
Not sure which decades you are talking about that still hurts me but from last 2 decades (from the time I am watching cricket), India always had upper hand. Ofcourse the gap was small in 2000s but in last decade (2010- 2019) it was like men against boys.
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Pakistan won the 2005 ODI series 4-2. It was a 6 match series not 5.
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That one good decade would apply to a team like WI in the 70-80 or Pakistan in the 90’s because they had a bunch of match winners all at once.
India on the other hand has been just growing and growing since the 80’s because we have a process in place.
Batsmen: do I even have to discuss this?
Problem with fast bowlers- fixed, we have a world class pace attack
Bowling options- we have a world class off spinner, leg spinners, left arm spinner and even China man bowler.
Allrounders- well we at least have options now if not Pandya then someone else but we will fix it eventually.
Wicket keepers- we have 4 keeper bats now that can basically walk into the top 3 of any team.
India doesn’t hype the 83 win the same way that Pakistan does.
We won 2 CT but didn’t even realize it was that important since the Pakistanis have been rubbing that fluke win in our faces for 3+ years now
Our arrogance stems from not what we won or will win but the confidence that we have a machine/ factory that not only produces talent but can also make middling talent into world beaters.
A guy like Amir or Sharjeel wouldn’t even be given a second look after what they did because we would have 10 others to replace them. That’s the harsh truth.
Pakistanis have a passion for cricket just like India and they will produce talent but will they get anywhere is the question.
So we had one good decade of match winners and still absolutely clear it in H2H.
No denying India is a better team then Pakistan at the moment but the arrogance people like you show and theirs a reason because you guys were used to see your team get a battering all the time and this arrogance won't live forever so enjoy it.
And yes it was a fluke win the Champions Trophy final and the Aane do series. We can only win by fluke.
So you got another 10 players to replace Bumrah and Bhuvi. We seen that bowling talent in IPL lol.
Amir and Asif got banned and we still managed to get to semi final of world cup and to number 1 ranking in T20 and tests.
Sharjeel ain't even played after his ban.
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India had the upper hand in 2000s but it was competitive. The overall record could have gone either way because most of the matches were very competitive.
India completely obliterated Pakistan in 2010s notwithstanding the record-breaking, earth-shattering fluke in the Champions Trophy Final.
In 2020s and beyond, it is going to get even more embarrassing for Pakistan. Indian cricket is getting bigger and bigger while Pakistan is racing towards minnow status.
I have said many times that abandoning bilateral ties with Pakistan has been India’s greatest gift to us. Getting hammered by India home and away every year would be too much for our fans to take.
We saw a small glimpse of it in the 2018 Asia Cup but it appears that the brutal reality check was not enough for our deluded fans.
India completely obliterated Pakistan in 2010s notwithstanding the record-breaking, earth-shattering fluke in the Champions Trophy Final.
In 2020s and beyond, it is going to get even more embarrassing for Pakistan. Indian cricket is getting bigger and bigger while Pakistan is racing towards minnow status.
I have said many times that abandoning bilateral ties with Pakistan has been India’s greatest gift to us. Getting hammered by India home and away every year would be too much for our fans to take.
We saw a small glimpse of it in the 2018 Asia Cup but it appears that the brutal reality check was not enough for our deluded fans.
Sorry my bad. Yes it was 4-2 and the same series when MSD arrived.
So:
21 - 17 in India's favour (2000 - 2009)
16 - 5 in India's favour (2010 - 2019)
It will be interesting to see what this decade holds.
I am sure Pak was a better team in 90s but I have not followed cricket back then.
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Those 3 games were not as big and the magnitude of the Champions Trophy final. Trying to tell us who the Baap is. We found out that day.
No Champions Trophy celebration is going on its just when you guys show arrogance like you won it all against Pakistan and get reminded of the Champions Trophy your tears come out and call it fluke and what ever. Get some tissues and wipe your tears looks like you still not over that defeat.
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My post went over your head. If India can take Jadeja who was the brunt of all jokes and make him into a premier spinner in the world
Get 300 wickets + 100 wickets in ODIs out of Ishant and Umesh nearly 150 wickets In tests + 100+ wickets in odis
Make a talented but struggling Rohit into a LOI legend
Even put someone like Pant who has 2 SENA 100’s a feat most of your batting legends probably don’t have back in the pecking order to fix some issues
I Would hold my thoughts on the talents you call mediocre based on a T20 match.
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So World Cup match which was a must win for your team was not an important match?
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Amazing so many talents you have mentioned.
2 Sena 100s most of Pakistan legends don't have. Really. Go check facts and wake up.
Name me 10 bowlers you have to Replace Bumrah and Bhuvi as you claim.
Take them 2 out your fast bowling is on par with Bangladesh or even Zimbabwe.
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So World Cup match which was a must win for your team was not an important match?
It was a group game and it wasn't a do or die situation. But as you won it was a must win game lol.
So you will take that World Cup group stage game over the Champions Trophy final.
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Shami? Umesh Yadav, Ishant.
Have you seen Saini bowl, he has been improving every game. Sure he might get tonked in a match or 2 in IPL based on the pitches and batting talent at display. Have patience, we have a process to produce the next flow of players.
Let’s see who ends up with more wickets.
The much maligned Agarkar has the same wickets as. super fast badmaash Shoaib Akthar. In India we get the best out of middling talent and we make great talents fulfill their potential. That’s what we have bragging rights on and that’s the most important bragging rights as well.
Who cares if some bench bowler bowled 180 on PSL speed guns, at best he might get a hattrick against Zimbabwe or WI D or SL c and then get tonked around by Rohit and Kohli or even Pant and Pandya lol
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Fact of matter is no one talks about Umesh or Ishant except Indians. They done well but outside India you never see anyone hardly talk about them. Compare that to Amir and even Abbas who bowls 75mph they get talked about. Shaheen is the next in list and has a bright future ahead. Gul still remembered as one of the best T20 bowlers. Asif still get talked about by some batsmens as most difficult bowler they faced. Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib and list can go on who still get talked about. No one talks about Ishant and Umesh and won't remember them after retirement. Bumrah is the guy only who gets talked about and rightly so and Bhuvi at times.
Now talk is about young guns Shaheen, Naseem with experience they will get better.
Now talk is about young guns Shaheen, Naseem with experience they will get better.
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And you have been given a befitting response all the time. Keep making excuses matter of fact Pakistan beat India in their home in the last series played between them with India as World Champions. With Nasir Jamshed opening the batting. With a middle order of Azhar Ali and Younis. And pace bowlers Irfan and Gul. Ended some Indian careers that series.
That series still haunts you and you can't get over it and keep making excuses. Every Pakistan win you make excuses for their win.
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No, I haven’t been given a befitting response at all. I will try to find a comprehensive post on the topic later and post it here.
The last decade was complete landslide....for Pak......agreed....but who knows what future holds.....Nationalt20...Psl 2nd leg....Nz and Sa series plus PSL 2021.......CAN throw up some more talent who would make this booming and rising Pak team even more strong........
ODI side looked somewhat settled...
T20 too.....but need more allrounder and batsman...
Test is where Pak need more players esp as openers and middle order......the pace attack is just shaping around Saheen well......a few domestic series will enhance them.......further......
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Yes keep dreaming son. We seen your bowling talent in the IPL so keep pleasing yourself by talking about Pakistan.
Even Jamshed tonked your bowlers for fun who was a nothing player. I know you can't accept the fact about the poor quality of Indian bowlers so keep changing topic.
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I must confess that I actually used to watch Vinay Kumar and Praveen Kumar for comedy.
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Pakistan have already started 2020 positively with the entire PSL at home and lots of home international matches. Very good momentum. Also a great start with the $200M TV deal, Alhamdolillah things are looking up.
Well done Wasim Khan. Excellent appointment by PCB.
Well done Wasim Khan. Excellent appointment by PCB.
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Good luck. See if you post positive news no one has a problem. All the best for Pakistan cricket.
It’s when you and a few others who post pointless posts and trolling is when it gets ugly.
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Can you answer and tell how Cottrel is a T20 World Champion. I've asked you many times and you not responding. You claimed Currans are regulars when they not and Cottrel a T20 World Champion that's why he selected. So tell us how is he I'm confused or as usual your lying and thought no one would know or check up on it so made a false claim like you always do.
Before Asia Cup Championship trophy happened, but of course it was a fluke for Pakistan despite both Fakhar and Kohli getting a chance each.
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Yes Rabada Nortje Ishant are poor bowlers. While Bairstow and Warner are mediocre batsmen who just fell down to the bowling.
You can keep harping your propoganda of PSL on PP, outside of it most experts including Wisden say ipl is numero uno.
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Nah World T20 is the pinnacle. Than IPL is after that. I think the IPL produces more entertaining games than a lot of international T20s due to teams not always picking their best teams.
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Well I think it was a do or die game. Because after losing that game, pakistan couldn't reach semis even after winning rest of the games... So yes it was a do or die game.
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Not really. Bumrah has already done more and he has a lot of time. He will be remembered for a lot more than just one ball. It is a ridiculous notion.
Fakhar sure, one fluke innings. He is never repeating that again.
Hassan was great for a short period of time and now he is nowhere to be seen nor on the same level. Meanwhile Bumrah is still going strong.
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The bowling, batting and fielding standards are much better in the IPL than the PSL. I don't see how that is even a question.
The local bowling talent is maybe up for debate but I think PSL is better. I enjoy it much more than the IPL in that regard.
The local bowling talent is maybe up for debate but I think PSL is better. I enjoy it much more than the IPL in that regard.
Baring Ishant other two are not Indian I suppose........ha ha.
DC hardly plays Ishant even India hardly plays Ishant in t20s......hard fact is the likes of Tewatia....Nagarjuna Misra Chakraborty....won't play for India but they have to be added to the attack to make it presentable....... PSL will never ever rely on foreign bowlers .....U may join Wisden..... I m no need of Wisden validation...
I respect ur opinion.....but performance in a ICC event final against ur archrival ....is always special
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Going by your logic, Waqar should only be remembered for the spanking he got from Jadeja in '96 WC and SRT in '03 WC. On the other hand, Venkatesh Prasad will only be remembered for his 5 wicket hall against his arch rival in '99 WC.
Do you realize how stupid this sounds?
Yes absolutely.......I do remember the following
Jadeja bashing Waqar.....
Tendulkar brilliant 80 odd v Australia....
Kambli crying.....in semis after capitulation...
Warne Turing the match v Windies on its head....
99 WC...
Wasims Yorkers v Australia...
Kluesner Heroics..
Dada Dravid partnership v SL...
Dada 90 odd in the opening match...
03..
Lara innings v Saffas.
Viru and Sachin toying with shoaib...Waqar...
07..
Ind Bd.... PAK IRL heartbreak..
Plenty more.....2011 semis ....Yuvi knock v Australia in quarters....
The list is endless...
U know how foolish u r to undermine ICC events...
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They undermine what they like but when we talk about H2H they then bring up World Cup wins. What ever suits their agenda.
People till today talk about Jadejas onslaught on Waqar and Klusener is still remembered for the 1999 World Cup performances. Inzamam semi final vs New Zealand. Wasim vs England Final.
West Indies tailenders in the Champions Trophy final.
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I was a kid in 96 99.....and I somehow still remember every special moment....probably he has a memory loss issue......can't argue in that case
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Yes how can someone forget that.
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Legend, Aizaz Cheema. Of course not every PSL bowler is as good as him.
BreadPakoda
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What do you mean by "they"?
People talk about WI tailenders in CT? Lol. Never heard anyone talk about them.
People talk about Laxman-Dravid partnership, Flintoff's Ashes spell, Steyn destroying Indian batting line up. And they will also talk about how Bumrah dismantled Ozzies at their home to help India win it's first test series down under.
And no, Waqar is not a failure and won't be remembered for those 2-3 days when he failed against his arch rivals in a World Cup. He's had far longer a career, bowled deliveries that bamboozled highly rated batsmen.
Both of you guys come up with very strange logics and its fruitless arguing with you. You two should keep talking to each other.
Hasan123
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The PSL would never be able to produce these type of scores due to low quality batting.
BreadPakoda
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Half strength Zimbabwe beat full-strength Pakistan in a test in 2013. So Zimbabwe >> Pakistan
I like the logics being shared here.
KingKhan12
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Half strength Zimbabwe beat full-strength Pakistan in a test in 2013. So Zimbabwe >> Pakistan
I like the logics being shared here.
Yes only your logics and theories are right but anything that don't suit you is all wrong.
It's fruitless debating with you.
cricketjoshila
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The best Pakistani team defeated the then 4th ranked Ipl team. Whats there to boast?
Lurker_Ind
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PSL does not have the power hitters that IPL has. Most Pakistani batsmen struggle to clear boundary rope.
JaDed
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How identical is it today? Considering what Rohit,Pollard,Pandya were able to do?
Hasan123
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The fact that certain Pakistan fans think there is a debate about the quality of the quality of the PSL and IPL being similar shows how delusional some fans are.
You don't understand or know talent if you think PSL is even close to the IPL in terms of quality and entertainment.
You don't understand or know talent if you think PSL is even close to the IPL in terms of quality and entertainment.
That team happens to be 4 time Ipl champion.....
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