Iranian Chabahar Port India willing to spend $20 Billion

[Majestic_Inzi]

http://sputniknews.com/business/20160409/1037761494/india-invest-iran-chabahar-port.html

I think with the investment China has placed in Gwadar Port In Pakistan India is rattled, the indians are really worried about Chinese influence in the region and also Pakistans importance with Port and routes going directly through pakistan, it opens up avenues for upto 20 countries to use.

India is attempting to reduce economic importance of Gwadar. It has built roads from Afghanistan to connect with Chahbahar for instance, Zaranj-Delaram road. It clearly indicates that India would try its best to hinder the construction of silk route from Pakistan.

With Raw Agent being captured in Bolochistan one can speculate india will do all it can to destabilise this massive landmark for pakistan.

Discuss,

 

[Black Zero]

I'll say it's good for Iran, if it materialized.
But I am skeptic as India is known for making huge plans without the intention of ever implementing them.

Until Pakistan have the backing of China, nothing to worry about.

 

[Deosai]

India doesn't have even a fifth of that money

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

India are only doing this because of China's intentions in Gwadar Port. Long term this is good for pak.

Just need to get the pipeline deal with iran now.

 

[KKhan]

Stupid if true. It is not feasible in the long run. Iran has access to the ground route through Gawador Port project. So why need unnecessarily inexpensive sea route project that 20 billion dollars is not cut it? Hatred has left India completely blind but more bonus for Iran as the compensation for the loans India is yet to repay to Iran. Most important, Iran is not gonna chose only India over Pakistan geared with China and Russia on one side and Iran and Turkey on the other side leading up to Middle East and Central Asia from Afghanistan. Chabahar port is completely useless, but that may explain misplaced anger India has toward Pakistan now.

 

[Rishikesh]

India would lease two docks for a period of 10 years, a move expected to cut India's crude oil and urea transportation costs by one-third.

Iran is exporting 350000 barrels of crude oil to India everyday. India is importing over 8 million tonnes of urea annually.

 

[Bakasura]

Pakistani dependent on China is mind blowing to say least....day will come when even food need to be supplied from China to Pakistan on daily basis.

 

[Texaco]

India doesn't have even a fifth of that money

How do you know that ?

 

[cricketjoshila]

The racist posts on this thread are disgusting.HAters cant digest that India can and will invest 20bn USD in another country while Pakistan is cheering for 36bn from China.

Chabaahar will be in addition to the choc a block Bandar Abbas port in Iran and will also give India a land access to Afghanistan,which again Pakistan doesnt like.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Chabaahar will be in addition to the choc a block Bandar Abbas port in Iran and will also give India a land access to Afghanistan,which again Pakistan doesnt like.

Pretty much.....

 

[cricketjoshila]

Stupid if true. It is not feasible in the long run. Iran has access to the ground route through Gawador Port project. So why need unnecessarily inexpensive sea route project that 20 billion dollars is not cut it? Hatred has left India completely blind but more bonus for Iran as the compensation for the loans India is yet to repay to Iran. Most important, Iran is not gonna chose only India over Pakistan geared with China and Russia on one side and Iran and Turkey on the other side leading up to Middle East and Central Asia from Afghanistan. Chabahar port is completely useless, but that may explain misplaced anger India has toward Pakistan now.

India has no LOANS from IRAN.IDK if you are talking about Oil dues which were held up because of sanctions on Iran,let me tell you they have been cleared because now India and Iran trade in their own National currencies and not USD anymore

And who told you that Russia is aligned with Pakistan?In which world?

The Chabahar Port and the Railline from there and the Highway gives everyone a alternate route to Afghanistan as well as central Asia.

The Chabahar port is both strategic and economic fit for India.

 

[Lords]

http://sputniknews.com/business/20160409/1037761494/india-invest-iran-chabahar-port.html

I think with the investment China has placed in Gwadar Port In Pakistan India is rattled, the indians are really worried about Chinese influence in the region and also Pakistans importance with Port and routes going directly through pakistan, it opens up avenues for upto 20 countries to use.

India is attempting to reduce economic importance of Gwadar. It has built roads from Afghanistan to connect with Chahbahar for instance, Zaranj-Delaram road. It clearly indicates that India would try its best to hinder the construction of silk route from Pakistan.

With Raw Agent being captured in Bolochistan one can speculate india will do all it can to destabilise this massive landmark for pakistan.

Discuss,

India has been dealing with Iran about Chabahar port long before CPEC came in existance.

And naturally India is concerned about China's growing influence in Pakistan, and i think you should be too.

 

[Lords]

Pakistan can think out of the box and in fact there is one way Pakistan can eliminate all Indian interest in Chabahar port in one go without raising any eyebrows.

Pakistan can give land route access to India to Afghanistan and charge the toll. That way India would have no reason to invest in that Port, it will make Indian relations with Iran a bit sour , Pakistan will benefit through the transportation, CPEC will have no threat, and most importantly Afghanistan will benefit a lot.

That will be a masterstroke but it will take tons of courage and will power. I know its next to impossible but just a thought.

 

[Bakasura]

India has been dealing with Iran about Chabahar port long before CPEC came in existance.

And naturally India is concerned about China's growing influence in Pakistan, and i think you should be too.

They are concerned but they cannot do anything about it...Thier survival now depends on China as US no longer provides them unlimited biscuits like before.

 

[carrom_ball]

Stupid if true. It is not feasible in the long run. Iran has access to the ground route through Gawador Port project. So why need unnecessarily inexpensive sea route project that 20 billion dollars is not cut it? Hatred has left India completely blind but more bonus for Iran as the compensation for the loans India is yet to repay to Iran. Most important, Iran is not gonna chose only India over Pakistan geared with China and Russia on one side and Iran and Turkey on the other side leading up to Middle East and Central Asia from Afghanistan. Chabahar port is completely useless, but that may explain misplaced anger India has toward Pakistan now.

Russia kab se dost bann gya pakistan ka? lol

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Have they even agreed on anything yet?

Towards the end of last year, Iran was getting impatient with India and their grand standing empty promises.

Because of sanctions, Iran couldn't buy heavy port machinery and that's what's india was suppose to provide. Now that's no longer the case, everything will be done by Iran by itself. India was getting concerned by Iran cosying upto China and their officials visiting chabahar towards the end of last year.

 

[carrom_ball]

Pakistan can think out of the box and in fact there is one way Pakistan can eliminate all Indian interest in Chabahar port in one go without raising any eyebrows.

Pakistan can give land route access to India to Afghanistan and charge the toll. That way India would have no reason to invest in that Port, it will make Indian relations with Iran a bit sour , Pakistan will benefit through the transportation, CPEC will have no threat, and most importantly Afghanistan will benefit a lot.

That will be a masterstroke but it will take tons of courage and will power. I know its next to impossible but just a thought.

Don't think India would want to be dependent on Pakistan, this masterstroke won't work because we'll still invest in alternate routes so that paksitan doesn't have any leverage over India

 

[carrom_ball]

Have they even agreed on anything yet?

Towards the end of last year, Iran was getting impatient with India and their grand standing empty promises.

Because of sanctions, Iran couldn't buy heavy port machinery and that's what's india was suppose to provide. Now that's no longer the case, everything will be done by Iran by itself. India was getting concerned by Iran cosying upto China and their officials visiting chabahar towards the end of last year.

We've already sent the chinese packing from bangladesh and sri lanka, Iran is an old friend, India and Iran have been fighting alongside against the taliban since the late 80s, no chance of china entering our sphere of influence in Iran

 

[cricketjoshila]

Iran is exporting 350000 barrels of crude oil to India everyday. India is importing over 8 million tonnes of urea annually.

India is one of the only countries that kept on importing Iranian oil despite sanctions and now both countries have done away with USD as currency and trade in their own currencies.

 

[Bakasura]

Pakistan can think out of the box and in fact there is one way Pakistan can eliminate all Indian interest in Chabahar port in one go without raising any eyebrows.

Pakistan can give land route access to India to Afghanistan and charge the toll. That way India would have no reason to invest in that Port, it will make Indian relations with Iran a bit sour , Pakistan will benefit through the transportation, CPEC will have no threat, and most importantly Afghanistan will benefit a lot.

That will be a masterstroke but it will take tons of courage and will power. I know its next to impossible but just a thought.

But why should we trust Pakistan...this alternate plans mainly because of not to depend on Pakistan.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

We've already sent the chinese packing from bangladesh and sri lanka, Iran is an old friend, India and Iran have been fighting alongside against the taliban since the late 80s, no chance of china entering our sphere of influence in Iran

Rather than make grandstanding empty statements, tell me about the actual agreement that has been signed between Iran and India. I haven't really followed it in 2016. Up till the end of last year, Iran was waiting on India to make up its mind in new reality.

New reality is this that Iran no longer needs Indian money for chabahar. They were hamstrung by intentional sanctions and couldn't buy specific equipment or materials. Now that is no longe the case, Iran wants Iranian companies to build it with India part funding specific parts not because they need the money, but not to alienate a large trading partner. Do they want to give them face saving mechanism,because they need a large market where the goods will go and that India is a large buyer. In any case, India is not going to run the port in anyway.

If you can show in light of recent developments then I will be interested.

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[Lords]

But why should we trust Pakistan...this alternate plans mainly because of not to depend on Pakistan.

I am not talking about Oil pipeline route, I am just talking about Cargo route which cannot be controlled in the way a pipeline can.
Any disruption in Cargo transportation doesnt affect much.

 

[Bakasura]

Rather than make grandstanding empty statements, tell me about the actual agreement that has been signed between Iran and India. I haven't really followed it in 2016. Up till the end of last year, Iran was waiting on India to make up its mind in new reality.

New reality is this that Iran no longer needs Indian money for chabahar. They were hamstrung by intentional sanctions and couldn't buy specific equipment or materials. Now that is no longe the case, Iran wants Iranian companies to build it with India part funding specific parts not because they need the money, but not to alienate a large trading partner. Do they want to give them face saving mechanism,because they need a large market where the goods will go and that India is a large buyer. In any case, India is not going to run the port in anyway.

If you can show in light of recent developments then I will be interested.

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In May last year, Road Transport, Highways and Shipping Minister Nitin Gadkari had visited Tehran where India and Iran signed a pact to develop the Chabahar port. 

"India is negotiating this project to facilitate the growing trade and investment with Iran and other countries in the region, notably Afghanistan and also to provide opportunities to Indian companies to penetrate and enhance their footprint in the region," the statement said. 

Chabahar Port lies outside the Persian Gulf in Iran and will help in expanding maritime commerce in the region. 

As per the MoU signed between the two nations in May last year, India is to equip and operate two berths in Chabahar Port Phase-I with capital investment of$85.21 million and annual revenue expenditure of$22.95 million on a ten year lease, the statement said. 

"Ownership of equipment will be transferred to Iranian side on completion of 10-year period or for an extended period, based on mutual agreement," it said adding, the Iranian side had requested for provision of a credit of$150 million in accordance with the MoU. 

As per the per the pact, operation of two berths will commence within a period of maximum 18 months after the signing of the contract.

http://m.economictimes.com/news/eco...habahar-port-project/articleshow/51126202.cms

 

[cricketjoshila]

Rather than make grandstanding empty statements, tell me about the actual agreement that has been signed between Iran and India. I haven't really followed it in 2016. Up till the end of last year, Iran was waiting on India to make up its mind in new reality.

New reality is this that Iran no longer needs Indian money for chabahar. They were hamstrung by intentional sanctions and couldn't buy specific equipment or materials. Now that is no longe the case, Iran wants Iranian companies to build it with India part funding specific parts not because they need the money, but not to alienate a large trading partner. Do they want to give them face saving mechanism,because they need a large market where the goods will go and that India is a large buyer. In any case, India is not going to run the port in anyway.

If you can show in light of recent developments then I will be interested.

.

Did Iran come and tell you it doesnt need Indian investment?Iran and Indian strategic and economic goals have lot and lot of syenergy.Chabahar/Afghanistan etc.Indias resistance to sanctions on Iran.Also Iran and India now do all trade in local currency.

Pakistan can wish all they want but chabahar is going to be a reality and will give India a strategic outpost in that area.Not to mention that it will provide anyone who wants a land route to Afghanistan an alternative there by taking away the strategic depth of Karachi.

 

[Bakasura]

Did Iran come and tell you it doesnt need Indian investment?Iran and Indian strategic and economic goals have lot and lot of syenergy.Chabahar/Afghanistan etc.Indias resistance to sanctions on Iran.Also Iran and India now do all trade in local currency.

Pakistan can wish all they want but chabahar is going to be a reality and will give India a strategic outpost in that area.Not to mention that it will provide anyone who wants a land route to Afghanistan an alternative there by taking away the strategic depth of Karachi.

Funny thing is he is thinking India wants ownership of port all we want is develop and run 2 terminals for 10 years or more depending on agreement.These people think we are doing this because of China/Pakistan etc while in reality we are doing it for own own benefit rather than bringing someone else down.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Funny thing is he is thinking India wants ownership of port all we want is develop and run 2 terminals for 10 years or more depending on agreement.These people think we are doing this because of China/Pakistan etc while in reality we are doing it for own own benefit rather than bringing someone else down.

India Iran intention to develop Chabahar was finalised when it was clear that Pakistan will not give India unfrettered transit to Afghanistan.

 

[Bakasura]

India Iran intention to develop Chabahar was finalised when it was clear that Pakistan will not give India unfrettered transit to Afghanistan.

Exactly.These guys don't want tie up with India but get jealous when we tie up with our friends.

Yesterday some energy agreements signed between India & Iran for gas field which is pending from long time.

 

[Bakasura]

More details on new agreement

“Both sides agreed to discuss development plan, financial and commercial terms of Farzad B in a time bound manner so as to conclude the discussions and consider awarding the development contract to ONGC Videsh-led consortium by October 2016,” states the joint agreed document.

The Farzad B field, estimated to have 21.68 trillion cubic feet (tcf) of gas reserves, was discovered by Indian explorers in 2012, but no formal contract to exploit the resources has been signed till date. The US and other world powers’ sanctions on Iran prevented both sides from making any headway in commercial exploitation of the reserves, with each blaming the other for the delay.
In 2002, a consortium comprising ONGC Videsh, IOC and Oil India signed an agreement with the National Iranian Oil Company (NIOC) to develop the Farzad-B block of the Farsi field. Indian players spent about $90 million in finding hydrocarbon in the block.

Meanwhile, Iran also agreed to provide, on long-term basis, natural lean gas. Both the countries, would set up an ammonia/urea plant in Chabahar Free Trade Zone with long-term off take of urea to India. Indian companies are in the process of identifying a suitable Iranian company as the joint venture partner.

Post the sanctions on the Islamic country by Western powers for its alleged nuclear activities in 2012, India has drastically reduced its imports from Iran and started buying more from other suppliers such as Colombia, Mexico and Venezuela. In FY14 and FY15, India bought nearly 10-11 million tonnes of crude oil from Iran. In 2009-10, crude oil imports from Iran were to the tune of 21.20 million tonnes, which was reduced to 18.50 million tonnes in 2010-11; 18.11 million tonnes in 2011-12 and further dropped to 13.14 million tonnes in 2012-13.
On April 4, Reuters reported that India is set to import at least 400,000 barrels per day (bpd) of Iranian oil in the year from April 1, with refiners looking to ramp up purchases after the sanctions targeting Tehran ended in January.


Average annual imports at that level in the fiscal year just begun would be the highest in at least seven years, and would carry forward a bump in purchases that lifted March shipments to a five-year high for a month at 506,100 bpd.

http://www.financialexpress.com/art...se-on-farzad-b-gas-project-by-october/234659/

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

We've already sent the chinese packing from bangladesh and sri lanka, Iran is an old friend, India and Iran have been fighting alongside against the taliban since the late 80s, no chance of china entering our sphere of influence in Iran

You think Iran is your best friend, you cut iran oil imports when they most needed you and as a result they put 45% taxes on indian rice(*** for tat). Dont forget Iran planning on giving you JUST 10 year lease and just 2 berths. Iranians never forgets.. You chose USA over your neighbours.

Nows theres talk about railway transport being installed between Chahabar Port and Gwadar which further undermines India.

 

[Bakasura]

You think Iran is your best friend, you cut iran oil imports when they most needed you and as a result they put 45% taxes on indian rice(*** for tat). Dont forget Iran planning on giving you JUST 10 year lease and just 2 berths. Iranians never forgets.. You chose USA over your neighbours.

Nows theres talk about railway transport being installed between Chahabar Port and Gwadar which further undermines India.

Nobody is best friends it's all mutual...everyone stopped dealing with Iran so no need to chest thump.Even China not able to oppose US in this case.

Read the above articles for details

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

But why should we trust Pakistan...this alternate plans mainly because of not to depend on Pakistan.

The feeling is mutual it appear you have signed mou with Iran for this port. Based on our experience Iran should be very skeptical of india.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You think Iran is your best friend, you cut iran oil imports when they most needed you and as a result they put 45% taxes on indian rice(*** for tat). Dont forget Iran planning on giving you JUST 10 year lease and just 2 berths. Iranians never forgets.. You chose USA over your neighbours.

Nows theres talk about railway transport being installed between Chahabar Port and Gwadar which further undermines India.

Please dont tell us how we have helped Iran.We were and continued to be
Irans 2nd largest oil buyer during the sanctions.Routing payments through various ways.When it became almost impossible to route payments to Iran the import dropped still India was the second largest buyer.This is the reason why India and Iran has now agreed to trade in rupee and rials.

You believe that after India invests 20bn USD it will just have access to 2 terminals?This is just to keep deals out everyones eyes.

 

[Bakasura]

@Majestic inzi,you conveniently forget to inform Iran banned Pakistan rice as well.

By the way where is the link for 45% tax???

 

[Bakasura]

The feeling is mutual it appear you have signed mou with Iran for this port. Based on our experience Iran should be very skeptical of india.

You and we are different...there is a huge difference ...don't worry we will manage from our end

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

@Majestic inzi,you conveniently forget to inform Iran banned Pakistan rice as well.

By the way where is the link for 45% tax???

Bakasura your bullying tactics wont work with Iran.

 

[Bakasura]

Bakasura your bullying tactics wont work with Iran.

Again misleading post...read the questions.

1.Where is the source for 45% tax?

2.Did Iran banned Pakistan rice ??

 

[carrom_ball]

You think Iran is your best friend, you cut iran oil imports when they most needed you and as a result they put 45% taxes on indian rice(*** for tat). Dont forget Iran planning on giving you JUST 10 year lease and just 2 berths. Iranians never forgets.. You chose USA over your neighbours.

Nows theres talk about railway transport being installed between Chahabar Port and Gwadar which further undermines India.

There are no friends in foreign policy, the relations are always built on mutual benefits only, by old friend I meant we have a very old relation with Iran, we have worked on building a strong relation with Iran and no china wina can threaten our position in Iran at the moment, if you think Iran will choose pak or china over India then you are sadly mistaken

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

There are no friends in foreign policy, the relations are always built on mutual benefits only, by old friend I meant we have a very old relation with Iran, we have worked on building a strong relation with Iran and no china wina can threaten our position in Iran at the moment, if you think Iran will choose pak or china over India then you are sadly mistaken

listen India backed out of the gas pipeline with Iran 2009 with USA pressure in return they got civilian nuclear deal with USA. India are going to be thirsty for oil so is china, China have been very useful for Iran at the UN. Trust me they will choose china and pakistan.

 

[Bakasura]

listen India backed out of the gas pipeline with Iran 2009 with USA pressure in return they got civilian nuclear deal with USA. India are going to be thirsty for oil so is china, China have been very useful for Iran at the UN. Trust me they will choose china and pakistan.

That's different government...approach is different.

China already signed 400 billion dollar deal with Russia how much oil they will take? Not like their economy flying high right now.

 

[carrom_ball]

listen India backed out of the gas pipeline with Iran 2009 with USA pressure in return they got civilian nuclear deal with USA. India are going to be thirsty for oil so is china, China have been very useful for Iran at the UN. Trust me they will choose china and pakistan.

Trust you? lol First of all Iran will never ever choose pakistan over India , you are not even in the equation, China will definitely try to upstage India in Iran like it tried in Bangladesh or Sri lanka but don't expect India to sit down and watch, with improved Iran-US relations, India has an advantage, also Iran Russia and India have backed northern alliance against taliban (which was backed by Pakistan) in the past, all we need to do is remind Iran of pakistan's history and political instability to break off any Iran-Pak relations (if there are any ) Do you even know how much India helped Iran during sanctions, relations build over 25-30 years don't just break off so easily, we have huge investment in Iran and we definitely won't allow any china wina to take our place

 

[cricketjoshila]

listen India backed out of the gas pipeline with Iran 2009 with USA pressure in return they got civilian nuclear deal with USA. India are going to be thirsty for oil so is china, China have been very useful for Iran at the UN. Trust me they will choose china and pakistan.

Iran backed out of the deal because the pipeline would pass through Pakistan.That would mean paying Pakistan 600mn USD as transit fee plus allowing Pakistan a strategic strangle hold on Indian energy needs.There is no way India will ever do that.No way India is ever going to let Pakistan have any kind of strategc hold over India.

Secondly there is nothing called China and Pakistan.It is China.It is Pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Trust you? lol First of all Iran will never ever choose pakistan over India , you are not even in the equation, China will definitely try to upstage India in Iran like it tried in Bangladesh or Sri lanka but don't expect India to sit down and watch, with improved Iran-US relations, India has an advantage, also Iran Russia and India have backed northern alliance against taliban (which was backed by Pakistan) in the past, all we need to do is remind Iran of pakistan's history and political instability to break off any Iran-Pak relations (if there are any ) Do you even know how much India helped Iran during sanctions, relations build over 25-30 years don't just break off so easily, we have huge investment in Iran and we definitely won't allow any china wina to take our place

Dont forget that Pakistan has a remote control in Riyadh.Tehran hates that.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Iran is increasingly tired of India dragging its feet over the so called proposed investment. If you the iraninan governments international mouthpiece presstv articles towards the end of last year, you begin to see the real picture.

This is another one of grandstandung empty gestures that they dont really want to invest in. The numbers dont really add up and the indians know it, thats why they are dragging feet and every now and then sign a mou to placate iran. Iranians had no choice before, but its not the case anymore.

Nothing can beat gwadar, the volume of trade going through it will just simply dwarf chabahar. Central asians and afghans will eventually join cpec from northern pakistan to get access to chinese market. From straits of hormuz its 12000 km maritime roundtrip to shangai, whereas its only 2000km from gwadar via cpec to eastern china. If they join up at northern pakistan then its even less. Cpec is just a no brainer allround.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Iran is increasingly tired of India dragging its feet over the so called proposed investment. If you the iraninan governments international mouthpiece presstv articles towards the end of last year, you begin to see the real picture.

This is another one of grandstandung empty gestures that they dont really want to invest in. The numbers dont really add up and the indians know it, thats why they are dragging feet and every now and then sign a mou to placate iran. Iranians had no choice before, but its not the case anymore.

Nothing can beat gwadar, the volume of trade going through it will just simply dwarf chabahar. Central asians and afghans will eventually join cpec from northern pakistan to get access to chinese market. From straits of hormuz its 12000 km maritime roundtrip to shangai, whereas its only 2000km from gwadar via cpec to eastern china. If they join up at northern pakistan then its even less. Cpec is just a no brainer allround.

Ok.

But what has Gwadar got to do with India and Iran?The insecurity here!No matter how much Pakistanis hate it.Chabahar is happening.

 

[Bakasura]

Ok.

But what has Gwadar got to do with India and Iran?The insecurity here!No matter how much Pakistanis hate it.Chabahar is happening.

More than insecurity is fun to see how blindly Pakistanis believe in China...

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Ok.

But what has Gwadar got to do with India and Iran?The insecurity here!No matter how much Pakistanis hate it.Chabahar is happening.

Its a bit ironic to see you mention the word insecurity.

Chabahar will happen, the iranians will make sure of it. The question is how long before iranians get fed up of delaying tactics by india. If the indians are serious then they should put up or shut up, not keep signing yet another mou which they have done before. The numbers dont add up and the indians know it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

More than insecurity is fun to see how blindly Pakistanis believe in China...

Problem is that Pakistanis were jumping up and down on 36bn USD CPEC deal.Somehow some believed that it will make it equal to India in terms of economy.Now India is investing 20bn in some country thereby showing how 36bn CPEC does nothing to bring Pakistan to India's economic strength.The very fact that India is so ahead cannot be digested.

Chabahar is also strategic.It gives India a land route to.Afghanistan which Pakistanis hate.It also provides an alternative to Karachi for NATO.Another cause of heart burn.

Next that problem is that Pakistan is facing huge security related issues which Iran doesnot and hence a safer place to work also Chabahar links up with central Asia.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Its a bit ironic to see you mention the word insecurity.

Chabahar will happen, the iranians will make sure of it. The question is how long before iranians get fed up of delaying tactics by india. If the indians are serious then they should put up or shut up, not keep signing yet another mou which they have done before. The numbers dont add up and the indians know it.

Let Iranians decide what they want to do.Not Pakistanis.

From Kashmiris to Iranians Pakistanis seem to be the mouth piece of all.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

Ok.

But what has Gwadar got to do with India and Iran?The insecurity here!No matter how much Pakistanis hate it.Chabahar is happening.

Like BCCI signing upto MOU with PCB and then running away, no country or no organisation should sign MOU with india, very untrustworthy. Need to have integrity, not taking a dig out of indians but this is how people out of india think.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Like BCCI signing upto MOU with PCB and then running away, no country or no organisation should sign MOU with india, very untrustworthy. Need to have integrity, not taking a dig out of indians but this is how people out of india think.

Oh my my.Here comes the spokesman of the world.The world doesnt care about what Pakistanis think about India.No one.Keep whining.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Let Iranians decide what they want to do.Not Pakistanis.

From Kashmiris to Iranians Pakistanis seem to be the mouth piece of all.

I am from jammu n kashmir, i believe that qualifies me from speaking on kashmir.
This is a discussion forum and pakistani one, lest you forget.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I am from jammu n kashmir, i believe that qualifies me from speaking on kashmir.
This is a discussion forum and pakistani one, lest you forget.

You mean you are from POK.Keep speaking sir.But doesnt mean your opinion represents that of the Iranians or Indian Kashmiris.

 

[KKhan]

India has no LOANS from IRAN.IDK if you are talking about Oil dues which were held up because of sanctions on Iran,let me tell you they have been cleared because now India and Iran trade in their own National currencies and not USD anymore

And who told you that Russia is aligned with Pakistan?In which world?

The Chabahar Port and the Railline from there and the Highway gives everyone a alternate route to Afghanistan as well as central Asia.

The Chabahar port is both strategic and economic fit for India.

Trying telling that yourself if that helps. I guess delusion knows no bound.

 

[Bakasura]

These guys should read US defense secretary recent comments about India & Pakistan

 

[cricketjoshila]

Trying telling that yourself if that helps. I guess delusion knows no bound.

I can understand the burn.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

Problem is that Pakistanis were jumping up and down on 36bn USD CPEC deal.Somehow some believed that it will make it equal to India in terms of economy.Now India is investing 20bn in some country thereby showing how 36bn CPEC does nothing to bring Pakistan to India's economic strength.The very fact that India is so ahead cannot be digested.

Chabahar is also strategic.It gives India a land route to.Afghanistan which Pakistanis hate.It also provides an alternative to Karachi for NATO.Another cause of heart burn.

Next that problem is that Pakistan is facing huge security related issues which Iran doesnot and hence a safer place to work also Chabahar links up with central Asia.

Pakistan is an country which is 68 years old, india is an country which had everything installed prior to the changeover in 1947. India population compared to pakistan is 6:1, so india has more man power.

Pakistan economy will never be bigger than indias, but standard of living for this young country can be improved and possible for the vast majority compared to india. With China's help Pakistan can go forward quicker in building its infrastructure. Without China, pakistan would be way behind.

With this Gwadar port upto 20 countries can benefit linking the middle east to asia and far east. These next 20 years can be rewarding for Pakistan. Thats only if they can counter the outside interference in Baluchistan, Punjab and the Afghan Border. And we all know who that is!!!

 

[Bakasura]

Pakistan is an country which is 68 years old, india is an country which had everything installed prior to the changeover in 1947. India population compared to pakistan is 6:1, so india has more man power.

Pakistan economy will never be bigger than indias, but standard of living for this young country can be improved and possible for the vast majority compared to india. With China's help Pakistan can go forward quicker in building its infrastructure. Without China, pakistan would be way behind.

With this Gwadar port upto 20 countries can benefit linking the middle east to asia and far east. These next 20 years can be rewarding for Pakistan. Thats only if they can counter the outside interference in Baluchistan, Punjab and the Afghan Border. And we all know who that is!!!

Except Pakistan everyone else to be blamed for Pakistani failures )

 

[Eagle_Eye]

You mean you are from POK.Keep speaking sir.But doesnt mean your opinion represents that of the Iranians or Indian Kashmiris.

I am not claiming it represents anyones opinion but my own.

Back to topic, when is indian planning to spend money in this mou? 6 months, 1 year...2 years?

 

[cricketjoshila]

I am not claiming it represents anyones opinion but my own.

Back to topic, when is indian planning to spend money in this mou? 6 months, 1 year...2 years?

Is that to be discussed between the leaders of Iran and India or between to anonymous posters from Pakistan and India?

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Trying telling that yourself if that helps. I guess delusion knows no bound.

Chabahar to shanghai - 12000 maritime km
Gwadar to eastern china - 2000 km via pipeline and rail. Even less from northern pakistan.

China is the largest customer for pretty much everything, where will the central asians and even the afghans want to send their raw materials from.........

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

These guys should read US defense secretary recent comments about India & Pakistan

USA is run by corporations, they follow the dollars. Those guys would sell their moms...

India and USa both suit each other, both dishonest bullies.

If an republican does come to power they will love india, but they will be planning on sanctioning Iran again at the request of Israel. You do know they are all bible bashers..

 

[Muddaser]

Decades away. This is Chabahar currently.

This is coming from a nation which still hasnt completed the MRCA deal.



Will bump this thread when the time is right.

 

[Bakasura]

USA is run by corporations, they follow the dollars. Those guys would sell their moms...

India and USa both suit each other, both dishonest bullies.

If an republican does come to power they will love india, but they will be planning on sanctioning Iran again at the request of Israel. You do know they are all bible bashers..

You talking about honesty??

You guys took all money/military equipments by US saying will help in terrorism then back stabbed them by hiding Osama...

Took money from Saudi now not ready to join Saudi alliance and talk about friend ship with Iran...

Buy a mirror buddy

 

[Bakasura]

But their is truth in that, we do know that allegations of India training and funding government opposition groups in Pakistan. We do know in Bolochistan India is doing all it can to cause disruption.

Pakistan will never going to improve by this kind of whining...China will use and throw you.

 

[Muddaser]

You talking about honesty??

You guys took all money/military equipments by US saying will help in terrorism then back stabbed them by hiding Osama...

Took money from Saudi now not ready to join Saudi alliance and talk about friend ship with Iran...

Buy a mirror buddy

No such thing as friendship. All about national interests.

I'll bump this thread in the future and lets see where things have gone. All Talk.

 

[Muddaser]

Pakistan will never going to improve by this kind of whining...China will use and throw you.

Look who's talking.

Everything from a **** to a pigeon is blamed on Pakistan.

 

[Bakasura]

Look who's talking.

Everything from a **** to a pigeon is blamed on Pakistan.

It didn't caused any harm though unlike....

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

You guys took all money/military equipments by US saying will help in terrorism then back stabbed them by hiding Osama...

If that what you think,

 

[Bakasura]

No such thing as friendship. All about national interests.

I'll bump this thread in the future and lets see where things have gone. All Talk.

Keep bumping....

 

[www787]

You talking about honesty??

You guys took all money/military equipments by US saying will help in terrorism then back stabbed them by hiding Osama...

Took money from Saudi now not ready to join Saudi alliance and talk about friend ship with Iran...

Buy a mirror buddy

US intelligence and the government isn't dumb enough to believe what you have mentioned, they knew very well what was going on, so, the media narrative is for only the people who support trump and naive Indian like yourself.

Why would Pakistan join an alliance ? It's stupid and it was the correct decision from Pakistan.

If you are going to mock then please do it with a substance not just for the sake of mocking.

 

[Bakasura]

US intelligence and the government isn't dumb enough to believe what you have mentioned, they knew very well what was going on, so, the media narrative is for only the people who support trump and naive Indian like yourself.

Why would Pakistan join an alliance ? It's stupid and it was the correct decision from Pakistan.

If you are going to mock then please do it with a substance not just for the sake of mocking.

So you want all freebies but won't fight for friends....no wonder.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Speed-up assistance or lose Chabahar, hints Iran

On Chabahar port, the Shipping Ministry moved a Cabinet note for providing $150 million as line of credit but that got held up as India wanted that the draft contract retain a reference to India content.

Chabahar port is located in Sistan-Balochistan Province on Iran’s southeastern coast and is of great strategic utility for India which will get sea-land access route to Afghanistan bypassing Pakistan.
Now out of the harsh Western sanctions, Iran has hinted to India that it could lose out on Chabahar port and the associated railway line to Zahedan if there was further delay by New Delhi in providing monetary support for them.
“A number of economic projects with Iran are required to be implemented at the earliest. The Iranian government has stressed to us at high levels the urgency to extend the necessary financial support for these projects without further delay,” India’s foreign ministry informed the linked ministries last week.
While scheduling an inter-ministerial meeting — to be chaired by Foreign Secretary — later this week, the Ministry of External Affairs told the ministries to consider expediting the lines of credit under consideration as well as altering the existing payment mechanism for crude oil imports.
“Separately, the lifting of sanctions will require modifications in the existing arrangements for payment for India’s oil imports from Iran,” it wrote. The agreement would need to be amended to allow Iranians to collect their entire payment in dollars as the existing one allows 45 per cent of the dues to be paid in rupees.
India’s urgency to arrive at a favourable response follows the planned visit of Iran’s Deputy Foreign Minister for Asia & Pacific Ebrahim Rahimpour on February 4 to hold Foreign Office Consultations with the MEA.
Just days after the US lifted the sanctions, Iranian envoy Gholamreza Ansari said that India’s Iran policy was marked by unnecessary caution and that New Delhi could not follow the policy of patient waiting any more in the changed circumstances.
“I feel private companies in India are keen to move ahead in the Chabahar port project but the government has not shown the same level of enthusiasm in the past,” he said.
Since last August, Iran has been asking for $345 million as credit for the steel/railway project and $150 million for equipment purchases for Chabahar port. However, these loans got delayed following India’s Exim Bank’s refusal to get directly involved during the tenure of western sanctions.
India, in principle, agreed to provide buyer’s credit under the National Export Insurance Account (NEIA) for the steel/rail projects but that got stalled as Finance Ministry wanted more clarity on its “strategic importance” as well as the “Indian content” to make available concessional finance to Indian firms.
On Chabahar port, the Shipping Ministry moved a Cabinet note for providing $150 million as line of credit but that got held up as India wanted that the draft contract retain a reference to India content.
New Delhi has already delayed concluding the commercial contract for the port — considered both a strategic and an economic asset — set for November 5 last year as both governments signed an MoU last May setting a deadline for signing the detailed contract within six months.
‘India’s Iran policy marked by unnecessary caution’
> India’s urgency to arrive at a favourable response follows the planned visit of Iran’s Deputy Foreign Minister for Asia & Pacific Ebrahim Rahimpour on February 4 to hold Foreign Office Consultations with
the MEA
> Just days after the US lifted the sanctions, Iranian envoy Gholamreza Ansari said that India’s Iran policy was marked by unnecessary caution and that New Delhi could not follow the policy of patient waiting any more in the changed circumstances..
> Since last August, Iran has been asking for $345 mn as credit for the steel/railway project and $150 m n for equipment purchases for Chabahar port. However, these loans got delayed following India’s Exim Bank’s refusal to get directly involved during the tenure of western sanctions

See more at: http://indianexpress.com/article/in...ose-chabahar-hints-iran/#sthash.eMFqRbwK.dpuf

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Going by the above article, iranians want payment in dollars now too.

India really milked iran during the sanctions it seems.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

Pakistan will never going to improve by this kind of whining...China will use and throw you.

The allegations of you funding certain opposition group in Pak came from here, UK.

 

[www787]

So you want all freebies but won't fight for friends....no wonder.

Calm down and take this crap some where else who would fall for it, and stop acting like a 5 years old kid.

 

[Bakasura]

^ Okay from non possibility now we reached better status...only if you tried bit hard you should of have got latest news...plz use google better.

 

[Bakasura]

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx?relid=138638

 

[Bakasura]

Calm down and take this crap some where else who would fall for it, and stop acting like a 5 years old kid.

Buy a mirror buddy.

 

[www787]

Buy a mirror buddy.

Cute

 

[Syed1]

Decades away. This is Chabahar currently.

This is coming from a nation which still hasnt completed the MRCA deal.



Will bump this thread when the time is right.

Lol if this is the latest pic then Gwadar has atleast 10-15 years on this port. So Chabahar not only has to catch up with Gwadar but has to surpass it to take over the role that Gwadar is going to play.

Also Chabahar is being financed by India and not China, we all know how South Asian government priorities change which each incoming government, also the state machinery of India is no where as efficient as China.