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Is 2023 India squad arguably better than the 2011 India World Cup squad?

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Rohit - Sehwag: Rohit
Gill/Kishan - Sachin: Sachin
Kohli - Gambhir: Kohli (today)
Iyer - Kohli: Kohli
KL Rahul - Dhoni: Dhoni
Pandya - Raina: Pandya
Jadeja - Yuvraj: Yuvraj
Ashwin - Zaheer: Ashwin
Yadav - Harbhajan: Harbhajan but I think it’s Yadav who is more dangerous. But will go with majority view
Siraj - Sreesanth/nehra: Siraj
Shami - Munaf: Shami


Current bowling attack def more threatening
 
2011 team was most balanced team where we played seven batsman .
All the batsman were bowl part timer bowling so that was great Plus point for 2011 wc team.
 
2011 had a world class finisher and and red hot yuvraj singh with both bat and ball plus dhoni captaincy was something else as compare to average rohit captaincy
 
If you rank player by player 2017 appears stronger but if you were to give some sort of a weight to players then 2011 would come up top.

Dhoni, Yuvraj and Kohli were something else back then.
 
Consistently winning world cups was done by champions side like West Indies and Australia during peak. Every other team was great momentarily for a short period of few years.
 
SpiritOf1903 said:
Indià is generally. Pakistan focus needs to be avoiding damaging NRR.

Jadeja > yuvraj
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You serious? Yuvraj played key innings 2011 wc plus with the ball was so handy. Match against Australia Yuvraj and Reina won it am sure if such scenario comes where Jadeja and Whoever number 5 batting will crumble easily under pressure against top side.
 
The real question should be, why compare India 2011 WC team with India 2023 WC team?

The answer is simple, 2011 and 2023 WC are both played in India.

For the record, 2011 India team is better.
 
Devadwal said:
Lol what??? yuvi was 100time better than Jadeja.
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And Gill >>>> old Sachin
Bowling current is much superior. But back then india had deep batting till 9.

Also 2 extra bowlers apart from number 8 to 11.
Part timers but still. Decent support.
 
Ahmad-GERMANFC said:
Player guy plauer

Rohit - Sehwag: Rohit
Gill/Kishan - Sachin: Sachin
Kohli - Gambhir: Kohli (today)
Iyer - Kohli: Kohli
KL Rahul - Dhoni: Dhoni
Pandya - Raina: Pandya
Jadeja - Yuvraj: Yuvraj
Ashwin - Zaheer: Ashwin
Yadav - Harbhajan: Harbhajan but I think it’s Yadav who is more dangerous. But will go with majority view
Siraj - Sreesanth/nehra: Siraj
Shami - Munaf: Shami


Current bowling attack def more threatening
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How is Ashwin better than Zaheer who literally carried that attack on his own & ended up as the joint highest wicket taker of the cup? Also Iyer is yet to prove himself better than 2011 version Kohli. Yuvraj & Pandya should be compared, Raina & Jadeja should be compared.
 
VForVendetta said:
How is Ashwin better than Zaheer who literally carried that attack on his own & ended up as the joint highest wicket taker of the cup? Also Iyer is yet to prove himself better than 2011 version Kohli. Yuvraj & Pandya should be compared, Raina & Jadeja should be compared.
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Ashwin actually played in 2011 as well. So that comparison is not appropriate
 
SamNJ said:
Batting 2011 > 2023
Bowling 2023 >> 2011.
How Dhoni managed to restrict Australia to 260, defended 260 against Pakistan and restricted SL in finals on that Wankhede Patta is just legendary stuff.
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Obviously MSD is a master of situations. Rohit can get frustrated
 
I hope and wish we are but I don’t think so.

That 2011 team was possessed with winning the tournament. Our batting order was BATTLE HARDENED from top to bottom. Harbhajan was batting 8 and he was smashing test centuries at that time.

In Yuvraj, Raina, Dhoni we had a MAVERICK finishing line up. I doubt any team in history can catch up with us in that 5,6,7 punch.

This team has the talent but it is not battle hardened.
It will have to show exceptional team spirit and responsibility to replicate the success of 2011 team.
 
India is man to man mostly a better team. My ratings based on the team who played 2011 final.

Rohit > Sachin - I know it is sacrilegious, but at this stage of his career Rohit is destructive and Sachin was mostly on his last legs. He did play some really important knocks and I think so will Rohit. But the overall destruction that Rohit can create now was not something that Sachin was doing in 2011
Gill > Sehwag - Same. Gill is more consistent and as destructive as Sehwag
Virat > Gambhir - Gambhir played an excellent innings in the final, internally even he knows even the over the hill Kohli is better today than he was in 2011
Dhoni > KL Rahul -> very obvious. Rahul may do as well in batting, but in keeping and captaincy Dhoni was at his peak. He made the difference for India
Yuvi > Jadeja -> no comparison. Jadeja may still prove to be Yuvi lite, but thats what he will remain
Pandya > Raina -> Raina played some incredible innings, but Pandya can replicate that with bat and can excel Raina's contribution in bowling. He is also similarly a great fielder
Ashwin > Harbhajan - They have very similar strike rates and averages. But remember that Harbhajan played at a time of single new ball where as Ashwin has to contend with two new balls and much more agressive batsmen due to matured T20 scene. Ashwin is also much better and reliable batter. He will provide more control Harbhajan
Bumrah> Zaher -> Zaheer was great but Bumrah is on a different level. He is good both upfront, middle overs or in death overs. Much better speed, control and ability to swing makes Bumrah a better bowlers. I feel even Shami is also better than Zaheer and he is not even in playing 11!!
Siraj/Shami >> Munaf -> not even a discussion
Siraj/Shami >> Sreesanth > again no comparison

Apart from that we also have probably the best wrist spinner in the world, Kuldeep and excellent backups like Iyer and others. This team is clearly better than the one in 2011. But will they achieve the same feat is doubtful though. Dhoni made a huge difference as a leader. Rohit few years back probably would have made. Let's see how he does now.
 
Yes 2023 is better, mainly due to a killer bowling attack. 2011 was better led and had more belief though. They also faced tougher teams and tougher attack but they were more united.

It's all about mentality in world cups, something Dhoni archived and frankly no other captain in India has been able to achieve his level of leadership and aggression and winning mentalities.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
yes indeed india is looking in better shape as compare to 2011.

specially this time their bowling unit is so strong.
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Stability is important in world cup campaigns. There will be so many "what if" scenarios you will run into. That unit was more bullet proof especially with respect to batting. This batting requires just bad 15 minutes to lose the game. As long as top 6 consistently bat well this is a great unit. But that is not always going to happen.
 
SamNJ said:
Batting 2011 > 2023
Bowling 2023 >> 2011.
How Dhoni managed to restrict Australia to 260, defended 260 against Pakistan and restricted SL in finals on that Wankhede Patta is just legendary stuff.
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That's easy.

MSD can thank Misbah for the SF, and the 2 SL prine bowlers who mysteriously were injured just before the final.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
I reckon it's 50/50

Dhoni/Yuvi are big advantages 2011 team.

Bumrah/Kuldeep 2023 team.
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Difference is captain. Dhoni much better captain than rohit.

If Dhoni captained this team they would be winning the wc easy. Now it's an open contest.

Aus india pak can all win it.

I doubt England does this time. I dont think nz will ever win a icc event

Sa less said the better.
 
kron said:
But much worse captain. Great captain makes a difference. Look at Kane with nz
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Tbf, Current NZ is the 2nd strongest team in the tournament behind India.

I said this at the start. Williamson is ironically a liability this time around lol. But yh 2015 and 2019, it was gun captaincy that led to the finals even with a medicore team.

Also latham has clearly copied Williamson captaincy. Anyone who watched the England game knew they didn't panic when openers were off to a flyer. They had a plan and field setting for each and every player.

NZ had won that game as soon as they walked onto the field, its why I had stated NZ would win since day 1 lol.
 
mominsaigol said:
Tbf, Current NZ is the 2nd strongest team in the tournament behind India.

I said this at the start. Williamson is ironically a liability this time around lol. But yh 2015 and 2019, it was gun captaincy that led to the finals even with a medicore team.

Also latham has clearly copied Williamson captaincy. Anyone who watched the England game knew they didn't panic when openers were off to a flyer. They had a plan and field setting for each and every player.

NZ had won that game as soon as they walked onto the field, its why I had stated NZ would win since day 1 lol.
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I don't believe nz is all that strong. They are just regulars in ipl and have experience playing in these conditions. I back the boys to beat nz again.

Aus will smash them a sper regular

England are trash outside flat pitches.

We have a good chance to be top 3 honestly.
 
kron said:
I don't believe nz is all that strong. They are just regulars in ipl and have experience playing in these conditions. I back the boys to beat nz again.

Aus will smash them a sper regular

England are trash outside flat pitches.

We have a good chance to be top 3 honestly.
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What are your Semi finalists?

Mine are NZ, India, SA and England.

And finalists are India and NZ

Just curious BTW. I'm willing to make a friendly wager XD 😂😂.
 
mominsaigol said:
What are your Semi finalists?

Mine are NZ, India, SA and England.

And finalists are India and NZ

Just curious BTW. I'm willing to make a friendly wager XD 😂😂.
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I still feel
Aus
India
SA
pakistan

Not England or nz. I feel England will bomb out.

Nz will get beaten by better teams.

India would be SA
Pakistan to beat Aus lol

Pakistan win the final hehe.
 
kron said:
I still feel
Aus
India
SA
pakistan

Not England or nz. I feel England will bomb out.

Nz will get beaten by better teams.

India would be SA
Pakistan to beat Aus lol

Pakistan win the final hehe.
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Okay XD. Let's see who's right in the near future 😏
 
Technics 1210 said:
That's easy.

MSD can thank Misbah for the SF, and the 2 SL prine bowlers who mysteriously were injured just before the final.
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Restricting that SL to 270 was bigger task on that patta. He had just one good bowler Zaheer. Can't thank Misbah for that lol
 
Both squads have their unique strengths. The 2011 squad had legendary players like Sachin Tendulkar and MS Dhoni, while the 2023 squad boasts of modern-day greats like Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma. It’s not about better or worse, it’s about different eras and different styles of cricket. Both of them were strong and favorites due to the home conditions.
 
Ahmad-GERMANFC said:
Player guy plauer

Rohit - Sehwag: Rohit
Gill/Kishan - Sachin: Sachin
Kohli - Gambhir: Kohli (today)
Iyer - Kohli: Kohli
KL Rahul - Dhoni: Dhoni
Pandya - Raina: Pandya
Jadeja - Yuvraj: Yuvraj
Ashwin - Zaheer: Ashwin
Yadav - Harbhajan: Harbhajan but I think it’s Yadav who is more dangerous. But will go with majority view
Siraj - Sreesanth/nehra: Siraj
Shami - Munaf: Shami


Current bowling attack def more threatening
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1) rohit > shewag. Only just. Shewag was more clutch. Rohit yet to prove himself in KO but I would say he is the better odi player.
2) gill>> old sachin easy
3) Gambir > current kohli. Unlike others I still believe kohli is past it. Prime gambir is better than current kohli and way more clutch. Kohli if he proves himself in semis and finals then I will put him above gambir.
4) kohli 2011>> iyer. Iyer has short ball to rib level issues.
5) Dhoni > Rahul easy but.....Rahul is showing some resolve now. Dhoni better anyway for now.
6) yuvraj >> pandya Although pandya is a better bowler these days.
7) raina = jadeja batting wise and jadeja slightly better in bowling. Test bowler jadeja different to odi guy. India should consider sundar here
8) If axar plays then >> ashwin. Current jadeja better than 2011 ashwin anyway. If india use sree then I would still pick jadeja.
9) Kuldeep> Bhaji but bhaji can score 20 runs
10)Siraj >> munaf
11) Bumrah>> zaheer khan although peak zaheer was very good himself And zaheer can tonk 15 runs ish

Honestly player v player it looks 7- 3 in current india's favour with one being a draw between jadeja and raina. Raina had major issues vs short ball too. Jadeja is better vs pace and bounce. . maybe 6-4 worst case but there is also a catch.

Tail of 2011 from 7 down can add 50 to 60 runs

Tail of 2023 at best perhaps 35 runs or 30.

So 30 run advantage to 2011 Tail. However bowling of 2023 is light years ahead and probably top 2/3 in the world right now. They can easily restrict teams to below 60 runs on par. So I would still say 2023 team is better. It could be even better if they picked jaiswal and sundar whom I believe are better quality players.
 
I am seeing people on this thread putting Pandya, Jadeja at Raina’s level, some even claiming them to be better.

That’s ridiculous.

Peak Suresh Raina was a world class #6.

An out and out match winner.
Reliable and crunch situation specialist.
 
Also as far as bowling is concerned Bharat’s 2011 was very good.

Zaheer is a WC legend.
Nehra , everyone knows how talented and reliable he was

Munaf was a very good 3rd pacer, especially in Bharat.

Sreesanth was the only unreliable bowler and he didn’t play any games.

Spin wise, Harbhajan, Ashwin, Yuvraj were doing their jobs beautifully. There’s a reason Yuvraj won the MOTT. He was a proper front line spinner in that World Cup.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Also as far as bowling is concerned Bharat’s 2011 was very good.

Zaheer is a WC legend.
Nehra , everyone knows how talented and reliable he was

Munaf was a very good 3rd pacer, especially in Bharat.

Sreesanth was the only unreliable bowler and he didn’t play any games.

Spin wise, Harbhajan, Ashwin, Yuvraj were doing their jobs beautifully. There’s a reason Yuvraj won the MOTT. He was a proper front line spinner in that World Cup.
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Nehra was talented and reliable?
 
2023 team is stronger than 2011 one. Bumrah and Kuldeep would walk into India's all time ODI XI without any question.

But 2011 one was extremely clutch and delivered under pressure. Lets see what 2023 team does in pressure situations, for now Rahul has delivered the first punch vs Aussies but this is a long tournament.
 
Combine 2011 and 2023 teams and the result is:-

Rohit
Sachin
Gambhir
Kohli(2023 one)
Yuvraj
Dhoni
Pandya
Jadeja
Zak
Bumrah
Kuldeep
 
100%. 2011 WC squad was basically Sachin leading from the front with able assistance from Yuvraj. And then a few punched above their weights in crucial situations like Gambhir and Dhoni in the finals. Dhoni of course is an all time great player but till the finals he was below par. Bowling attack was nothing fancy.

2023 Indian bowling is a beast. They have some proven ATG players at the top of the order. It will be ridiculous if India doesn't win this world cup.
 
kron said:
1) rohit > shewag. Only just. Shewag was more clutch. Rohit yet to prove himself in KO but I would say he is the better odi player.
2) gill>> old sachin easy
3) Gambir > current kohli. Unlike others I still believe kohli is past it. Prime gambir is better than current kohli and way more clutch. Kohli if he proves himself in semis and finals then I will put him above gambir.
4) kohli 2011>> iyer. Iyer has short ball to rib level issues.
5) Dhoni > Rahul easy but.....Rahul is showing some resolve now. Dhoni better anyway for now.
6) yuvraj >> pandya Although pandya is a better bowler these days.
7) raina = jadeja batting wise and jadeja slightly better in bowling. Test bowler jadeja different to odi guy. India should consider sundar here
8) If axar plays then >> ashwin. Current jadeja better than 2011 ashwin anyway. If india use sree then I would still pick jadeja.
9) Kuldeep> Bhaji but bhaji can score 20 runs
10)Siraj >> munaf
11) Bumrah>> zaheer khan although peak zaheer was very good himself And zaheer can tonk 15 runs ish

Honestly player v player it looks 7- 3 in current india's favour with one being a draw between jadeja and raina. Raina had major issues vs short ball too. Jadeja is better vs pace and bounce. . maybe 6-4 worst case but there is also a catch.

Tail of 2011 from 7 down can add 50 to 60 runs

Tail of 2023 at best perhaps 35 runs or 30.

So 30 run advantage to 2011 Tail. However bowling of 2023 is light years ahead and probably top 2/3 in the world right now. They can easily restrict teams to below 60 runs on par. So I would still say 2023 team is better. It could be even better if they picked jaiswal and sundar whom I believe are better quality players.
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Old sachin scored 486 runs in that tournament and was the 2nd highest run scorer in the wc. Gill has done nothing
 
Definetly a better team than 2011 specially in bowling department.
 
Tendulkar was an absolute beast. Even in his 6th world cups playing at 38 he selects himself over Gill
/Kishan in such comparisons
 
They had great squad in 2011 and they have a great squad in 2023 as well but when you compare it with other teams, they probably have the best squad in this World Cup than they had in 2011.
 
2011 had better middle order. It's hard to replace Yuvi Dhoni combo. Hardik's injury will hamper his stature as ODI cricketer.
 
Yes. They more well rounded and balanced now. Especially with Pandya out the team. You can't accommodate him and Jadeja in the same XI
 
This squad looks better because other teams have declined. If you compare that 2011 Indian team with other teams of that time you would understand it better. Take Sri Lanka, Pakistan, West Indies as an example. How much they have declined. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
This squad looks better because other teams have declined. If you compare that 2011 Indian team with other teams of that time you would understand it better. Take Sri Lanka, Pakistan, West Indies as an example. How much they have declined. :inti
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But sena teams are much better now compared to theor 2011 teams.
 
If I want to give numbers out of 100… then

2011 - Indian team - 48%

2023 - Indian Team - 52%
 
kron said:
No w

No way zak starts over shami
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Yes, after those three performance this World Cup , Shami has proved that his average and SR based on his performance in 2015 and 2019 World Cup weren't fluke.
 
Ab Fan said:
Combine 2011 and 2023 teams and the result is:-

Rohit
Sachin
Gambhir
Kohli(2023 one)
Yuvraj
Dhoni
Pandya
Jadeja
Zak
Bumrah
Kuldeep
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Updated list now:

Rohit
Sachin
Gambhir
Kohli(2023 one)
Yuvraj
Dhoni
Raina/Jadeja
Zak
Shami
Bumrah
Kuldeep

Pandya loses his spot to Shami while Raina and Jadeja are in contention for no.7 spot depending on what you want more.
 
mominsaigol said:
Huge blow
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He is a dangerous player for sure.

But I think this removes the need for India to decide between Jadeja and Pandya while retaining a 6th batter.

It also adds natural variety (Jadeja's spin) and allows for the continued inclusion of Shami.

It's a blessing in disguise.

What you lose in Pandya's batting you gain in Jadeja's bowling.

Jadeja's chipped in with the bat this tournament and isn't exactly a walking wicket. He can hit and stabilise. More importantly you can rely on him for 10 overs. Pandya has a golden arm but he's not relied upon for a 10 quota.
 
Sunzi said:
He is a dangerous player for sure.

But I think this removes the need for India to decide between Jadeja and Pandya while retaining a 6th batter.

It also adds natural variety (Jadeja's spin) and allows for the continued inclusion of Shami.

It's a blessing in disguise.

What you lose in Pandya's batting you gain in Jadeja's bowling.

Jadeja's chipped in with the bat this tournament and isn't exactly a walking wicket. He can hit and stabilise. More importantly you can rely on him for 10 overs. Pandya has a golden arm but he's not relied upon for a 10 quota.
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How?

Shami's inclusion was over thakur, not pandya.

And pandya's replacement is sky not jadeja.

Pandya adds the extra bowling option and is a better odi finisher them sky.

It's a massive blow, not a blessing by any means.
 
mominsaigol said:
How?

Shami's inclusion was over thakur, not pandya.

And pandya's replacement is sky not jadeja.

Pandya adds the extra bowling option and is a better odi finisher them sky.

It's a massive blow, not a blessing by any means.
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Yeah, so what I'm saying is essentially you get another front line batter in SKY.
 
Sunzi said:
Yeah, so what I'm saying is essentially you get another front line batter in SKY.
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Sky isn't a reliable batsmen lol, he's a failure in odi.

Pandya has a solid record of finishing games. Pandya is a solid bat, not sky
 
mominsaigol said:
Sky isn't a reliable batsmen lol, he's a failure in odi.

Pandya has a solid record of finishing games. Pandya is a solid bat, not sky
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I suppose so. India could also use Ishan Kishan who played a good knock the other night.

The dilemma gives them the chance to play a front line bat was my thinking if Pandya's unavailable.
 
The hype will end if they lose a match. Would love to see Pakistan to be the one to do it like 2017 champions trophy final.
 
Ok now this is worth debating.

This team is just one step from being crowned the invincibles
 
2023 has more talent and the bowling is much better.

But 2011 side had some clutch players who came good in the right time and on the biggest platform - Dhoni, Yuvi, Raina to compliment the Big 3 - Sachin , Sehwag and Gambhir
 
2011 had Dhoni. Even though he didn't perform well overall, there was a sense of security with his batting and captaincy. You knew he could pull the rabbit out of the hat anytime. And he did in the final. Except that, this team is a much better bowling unit.
 
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