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Is Borat racist?

Is Borat racist?

  • No, he is not racist but extremely funny

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Semi-interesting discussion. Although I find him hilarious I get a kind of anti-Muslim vibe from him due to his characters. If you look at two of his characters (General Aladeen and Borat), both are from Muslim countries, both are stereotyped as raging sexists, racists, anti-Semites, generally backwards people etc. I don't think he would be able to get away with mocking another people's culture (certainly not Black people/sub-saharan Africans, or East Asians or Indians) so I think there's a huge double standard at play.
He especially seems to massively emphasise the fact that his two characters I mentioned are anti-semitic which plays into the stereotype that people from the middle east are all raging anti semites.
 
oh yeah he is kinda racist pretty obvious tbh

but because its comedy a bit leniency and benefit of the doubt should be given to him

if we end up getting offended about everything than there wont be any comedy left

So I think deep down Sacha is bit of a racist but I would still watch his movies...
 
He is a Jewish Zionist, so of course he's racist , which many of his characters show.

Last I read he was being sued by a Palestinian who he interviews in a hotel but claimed he was a terrorist.

Ali G was funny, I admit. But I dont watch him anymore due to his Zoinist ideology, racist portrayal of people and he's not that funny.
 
If he is anti Muslim he’s got a funny way of showing it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sasha Baron Cohen & Isla Fisher donate $1M to support women & children in Syria & neighboring countries <a href="https://t.co/cDfOt58wPG">https://t.co/cDfOt58wPG</a></p>— sams_usa (@sams_usa) <a href="https://twitter.com/sams_usa/status/681553208074870784?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 28, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Ali G was probably the most racist of all his characters! No chance anybody could pull off a show, from scratch, like that in 2020.
 
Is a Borat the character racist? Of course lol is Sacha Baron Cohen racist? I don’t know but don’t think so. He seems to be using the character to expose racism in America.

Also, it is never actually stated anywhere in the movie that Borat is Muslim. Kazakhstan also has a sizeable Christian population. Also, the Kazakhstan depicted in the movie is not based on the real demographics of the country.
 

Semi-interesting discussion. Although I find him hilarious I get a kind of anti-Muslim vibe from him due to his characters. If you look at two of his characters (General Aladeen and Borat), both are from Muslim countries, both are stereotyped as raging sexists, racists, anti-Semites, generally backwards people etc. I don't think he would be able to get away with mocking another people's culture (certainly not Black people/sub-saharan Africans, or East Asians or Indians) so I think there's a huge double standard at play.
He especially seems to massively emphasise the fact that his two characters I mentioned are anti-semitic which plays into the stereotype that people from the middle east are all raging anti semites.

Most Kazak people are Christian. Also he played Ali g (black character)
 
He is a Jewish Zionist, so of course he's racist , which many of his characters show.

Last I read he was being sued by a Palestinian who he interviews in a hotel but claimed he was a terrorist.

Ali G was funny, I admit. But I dont watch him anymore due to his Zoinist ideology, racist portrayal of people and he's not that funny.

Dude you just hate jews.
 
If he is anti Muslim he’s got a funny way of showing it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sasha Baron Cohen & Isla Fisher donate $1M to support women & children in Syria & neighboring countries <a href="https://t.co/cDfOt58wPG">https://t.co/cDfOt58wPG</a></p>— sams_usa (@sams_usa) <a href="https://twitter.com/sams_usa/status/681553208074870784?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 28, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Welcome to the world of hypocrisy :)) You're acting like one good deed is supposed to cover up his movies being blatantly racist. Remember Indians were cancelling Trump for calling their country "filthy" despite Trump doing so many favors for Indians?
 
I think it is obviously racist and Kazakhstan had taken offence to the movie.

Interestingly, now Kazakhstan is suddenly okay with the next part and is using it to pull in tourists :))

Talk about priorities.
 
Borat was funny in the same way as most racist jokes are funny. Not sure the film is still appropriate in this day and age, neither is a lot of Cohen's work. I do accept that he is often ridiculing the right wing in the US and they are supposedly the main target, but of course he was was also ridiculing Kazakhs in his film in the same way you would joke about the Irish, negroes, PKs etc in the old days.
 
Borat was funny in the same way as most racist jokes are funny. Not sure the film is still appropriate in this day and age, neither is a lot of Cohen's work. I do accept that he is often ridiculing the right wing in the US and they are supposedly the main target, but of course he was was also ridiculing Kazakhs in his film in the same way you would joke about the Irish, negroes, PKs etc in the old days.

"neither is a lot of Cohen's work". For example what?
 
Most Kazak people are Christian. Also he played Ali g (black character)

Even if that were true (which it isn’t) people will still associate it with Muslims due to the ‘Stan’ name.
 
"neither is a lot of Cohen's work". For example what?

I haven't actually watched any of his films, tried one called Bruno which was about a gay German (I think) and it had a scene where he had some midget Thai who was supposed to be his boyfriend, and not really sure I could describe the scene which would be offensive on here, but it involved one of Bruno's body parts and the little asian fellow being spun round on it. I didn't watch it all the way through, wasn't really that funny.
 
I haven't actually watched any of his films, tried one called Bruno which was about a gay German (I think) and it had a scene where he had some midget Thai who was supposed to be his boyfriend, and not really sure I could describe the scene which would be offensive on here, but it involved one of Bruno's body parts and the little asian fellow being spun round on it. I didn't watch it all the way through, wasn't really that funny.

Watch the recently released trial of the Chicago 7 or the miniseries The Spy. He doesn't only do comedy, you know?
 
Borat is obviously a racist and sexist character. However, I am not sure if Sacha himself is a racist.
 
I dont know if he a zionist or racist ( he is definitley Jewish though) but I just wanted to point out that you do know there is a difference between an actor and the character they play?

The point of the thread is whether Sacha Baron Cohen the actor is racist because of the roles he has played in Borat and General Aladeen.
If he was a zionist and a lover of Jews, I doubt he would agree to sing about throwing Jews down the well. So it looks like he is a pretty liberal Jew.
 
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Watch the recently released trial of the Chicago 7 or the miniseries The Spy. He doesn't only do comedy, you know?

So what? You asked for an example of him being racist and I gave one. For what it's worth I don't actually think he's consciously racist, his intended target is usually the racists in fact. But that doesn't change my opinion that some of his stuff is actually racist itself, although because it's funny you may argue it's okay.
 
I have been to Kazajistán recently. There was pork everywhere and free flowing beer and nobody seemed religious. Hence I presumed. I think most are non religious due to Russia influence. Anyway I was wrong what I stated earlier.
 
I have been to Kazajistán recently. There was pork everywhere and free flowing beer and nobody seemed religious. Hence I presumed. I think most are non religious due to Russia influence. Anyway I was wrong what I stated earlier.

It is a majority Muslim but secular state from what I gather.
 
It is a majority Muslim but secular state from what I gather.

It’s essentially like Albania or Kosovo. They are officially Muslim but if they were in Pakistan nobody would consider them Muslim lol
 
From my own ( UK) experience the ordinary punter doesn't associate Kazakhstan with Islam. More the ex-soviet angle is taken when discussing them and making fun of them. Maybe because they now play football under the UEFA banner.
 
If he was a zionist and a lover of Jews, I doubt he would agree to sing about throwing Jews down the well.

He would if his intention was to portray people from that part of the world as extremely anti-Jewish. When he sings “throw the Jew down the well” he isn’t mocking Jews, he’s mocking Kazakh people for supposedly being anti Semitic (even though I doubt they are).
 
The character is obviously racist but the point of the character is to examine these types of issues in society. That’s why the first movie is one of my favourite comedies of all time. The second wasn’t even close.
 
The new film sucks. He needs to try something new. It’s getting very old
 
starts at around 8:00
a bit long but the basic points he is making in the video is

- why isn't he bringing the same heat to the Jews like he is bringing to other communities like hilly billys, Muslims (he said he jokes around with jews but he never bring like an evil sort of Jew to make of fun of his stupidity like he do with Muslims/ white supremacist's)
- He is an idiot because people show him hospitality by inviting him and trying to make him feel at home but he abuses it and ruin their lives/ respect / dignity by his "social comedy"
- he is no better than the YouTube pranksters but to act woke he paints this as social commentary
- Biggest point he is making is how as an American its hurtful and is not cool how a foreigner is making fun of their country people (like someone from outside the family tries to make fun of someone in the family, Americans can do it but its not cool when foreigners come and "teach" us about our faults)

In the end he is like imagine if someone from England comes to India and makes fun of their people to sound edgy, woke and offer his social commentary how would that make Indians feel? Not good

so they think Sacha deserves push back from Americans cause he is interfering into strictly "family business"

but video goes a bit more into detail how he himself is racist
 
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starts at around 8:00
a bit long but the basic points he is making in the video is

- why isn't he bringing the same heat to the Jews like he is bringing to other communities like hilly billys, Muslims (he said he jokes around with jews but he never bring like an evil sort of Jew to make of fun of his stupidity like he do with Muslims/ white supremacist's)
- He is an idiot because people show him hospitality by inviting him and trying to make him feel at home but he abuses it and ruin their lives/ respect / dignity by his "social comedy"
- he is no better than the YouTube pranksters but to act woke he paints this as social commentary
- Biggest point he is making is how as an American its hurtful and is not cool how a foreigner is making fun of their country people (like someone from outside the family tries to make fun of someone in the family, Americans can do it but its not cool when foreigners come and "teach" us about our faults)

In the end he is like imagine if someone from England comes to India and makes fun of their people to sound edgy, woke and offer his social commentary how would that make Indians feel? Not good

so they think Sacha deserves push back from Americans cause he is interfering into strictly "family business"

but video goes a bit more into detail how he himself is racist

Very interesting video.
 
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Sacha Baron Cohen on why Borat is now more political than ever

Over the past two decades, the British satirist, writer, producer and actor Sacha Baron Cohen has made an unforgettable impact creating some hilarious personalities: Ali G, a show host and wannabe rapper, in a TV series that ran for four years; Borat Sagdiyev, a sexist and racist Kazakh journalist; Brüno Gehard, a flamboyant Austrian fashionista, in a film of 2009; and Admiral General Aladeen, the titular villain of The Dictator (2012).

His many other TV and film appearances include those in Martin Scorsese’s Hugo (2011) and Tom Hooper’s Les Misérables (2012); most recently, he played the radical activist Abbie Hoffman in Aaron Sorkin’s The Trial of the Chicago 7.

However, his most memorable movie is Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan, in 2006, in which his crude and offensive fictitious journalist embarks on a quest to discover the “real” America. Audiences embraced the clever blend of shocking social satire and slapstick humour to the tune of more than $260m at the global box office, and Baron Cohen won a Golden Globe.

Fourteen years later, Baron Cohen has faced up to the challenge of following his smash hit with a sequel that may bear the longest title ever: Borat Subsequent Moviefilm: Delivery of Prodigious Bribe to American Regime for Make Benefit Once Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan.

Following the pattern of the first film, his character Borat — in various guises — interacts more and more outlandishly with unsuspecting subjects who don’t appear to realise they have been set up for self-revealing ridicule, eliciting some extreme views and re*actions.

This time, however, although he wants it to be “the funniest movie since the first Borat”, as he says over Zoom from San Francisco, Baron Cohen has a more serious political purpose. “The sequel is first and foremost a warning about the dangerous slide towards autocracy as we’re incrementally moving away from this wonderful ideal of American democracy.”

The most important thing for the 49-year-old comedian was the timing of release. “We shot the movie rather secretly, and our goal was always to show it to the public ahead of the 2020 elections.” He thinks that “Borat is the perfect character for the Trump era, because he is just a slightly more extreme version of Trump. They are both misogynistic and racist, they both don’t care about democracy, and they’re both laughable characters.”

Borat exposed the ugly underbelly of American society — racism, sexism, homophobia, bigotry, ignorance — but “over the years, that underbelly has become exposed, and it’s now overt”, Baron Cohen says. “Opinions that we put on screen back in 2006 are now being espoused by the president himself!”

Opinions that we put on screen back in 2006 are now being espoused by the president himself

In the new film, Borat is joined by his fictional daughter, played by Bulgarian actress Maria Bakalova. “We spent months searching the world for Borat’s perfect daughter, Tutar, and auditioned hundreds of actresses. We wanted someone believable enough to play a woman who had lived an incredibly primitive existence in our mythical version of Kazakhstan [yet could] transform herself into a rightwing journalist.

“We finally found this incredible actress, Maria Bakalova, who had recently left drama school. She was hilarious, and she was courageous, because she had to take risks. I immediately knew she was the one, because I wanted this movie to be an emotional family tale about a father from a primitive society where women are not respected, who finally grows to respect his own daughter.”

It was, he says, “the most challenging movie I’ve ever made, because I was taking my most famous character, trying to make a movie with real people [in] important political positions.”

The sequel was also the hardest endeavour technically: “I was surviving on and off for a year on four hours of sleep. There are a lot more lines in the Borat movies than in any other film, because I needed to be fully prepared for any question anyone might ask me. As Borat, I was learning 100 pages of dialogue a day, instead of the norm of three to four pages.”

For the new film he also realised that he “would have to put myself in some deeply uncomfortable situations”. One such occurred while filming at the Richmond gun rally, when there was a threat of a mass shooting by a white supremacist group. “The FBI had foiled it but I was going into a situation wearing a T-shirt that was not fully supportive of the National Rifle Association. It was the first time in my career that I donned a bulletproof vest.”

Baron Cohen also explains the lengths he went to immersing himself in the role, which had, he says, to be “three-dimensional. There couldn’t be any chinks in the armour where others realise they are not talking to a real person.

“Everything about me, including my underwear, was authentic. My smell was abhorrent, to make people aware they were really in the presence of somebody from a different civilisation.”

Such remarks, however ironic and knowing, have elicited plenty of outraged reaction. After the first Borat film, the Kazakh government reacted angrily to the coarseness of the character and his derogatory depiction of his “homeland”. Now, the country seems to have embraced the joke: Borat’s catchphrase “Very nice!” has been adopted for a new tourist campaign.

And Baron Cohen has remained devoted to his fictional creation. “In one scene, I stayed in character for about 125 hours, I even slept in Borat’s pyjamas and lived in a house with two guys.”

These were two right-wing conspiracy theorists with whom he spent five days, never breaking out of character. “I really wanted to demonstrate that underneath it all they were good people who had been fed lies through social media. Conspiracy theories and lies spread faster and wider on the internet than facts, because the truth is dull. I also wanted to show that in this incredibly divided country, this increasingly divided world, there’s human commonality to all of us.”

The movie’s climax involves former New York mayor and current personal attorney to Donald Trump Rudy Giuliani speaking to Bakalova, who’s posing as a journalist. After the interview in a hotel, Giuliani is seen lying on the bed and putting his hand into his trousers. Baron Cohen says he was “quite worried” for Bakalova while secretly monitoring that scene: “As a producer, I would never let an actress be in a dangerous situation, so the idea was always for me to intervene.”

It has caused considerable ructions — just the latest of the many controversies Baron Cohen has courted over the years. Last week, Giuliani said on Twitter: “At no time before, during, or after the interview was I ever inappropriate. If Sacha Baron Cohen implies otherwise he is a stone-cold liar.”

Claiming that the scene is “complete fabrication”, Giuliani maintains he was only tucking in his shirt after the recording equipment used for the interview was removed. Says Baron Cohen: “The only person responsible for what Rudy Giuliani did is Rudy Giuliani. He was obviously concerned enough about the incident to call the police [to report the incursion of a bizarrely dressed man — Baron Cohen as Borat], and I am not sure what he told them. I just urge everyone to watch the movie. The scene was pretty clear to us, but we want the viewers to make up their own minds.”

Switching away from his film and to the wider world, he is eager for change — even if some change, especially when it comes to social media, gives him cause for concern. “There are a handful of powerful men who control what information billions of people around the world receive. They are not voted for, and they’re not accountable.

“We are witnessing a technological revolution that’s more impactful than the Industrial Revolution. After the Industrial Revolution it took a long time for governments to curb the excesses of the industrialists. We are now in a period of a technological revolution that everyone assumes is positive, but there are very negative effects.”

And despite the wild hilarity of his films, his feelings are somewhat bleak. “It’s very hard for me right now to be upbeat about the future. There will be so much suffering, so many [Covid-19] deaths due to politicians refusing to listen to experts. And the elections are uncertain. America could be in a far worse position than it is now, depending on how the elections go.”

https://www.ft.com/content/b8a0c694-b3cf-4477-b52f-dd141c46c589
 
Sacha Baron Cohen has donated $100,000 (£77,000) to the community church attended by Jeanise Jones, one of the unwitting stars of the new Borat film.

Baron Cohen, in character as the Kazakh journalist, plays pranks on US citizens including the 62-year-old grandmother in Borat Subsequent Moviefilm.

Viewers have praised the kindness shown by Ms Jones towards Borat's daughter.

Pastor Derrick Scobey of the Ebenezer Baptist Church in Oklahoma City said he was "blown away" by Cohen's donation.

He told People the money would help the community, which is currently struggling with ice storms and power outages, rather than going to the church itself.

"I was blown away but not surprised because I was told about what type of heart this man has," Mr Scobey told the magazine.

"Maybe it's a little risqué, some of the things in the movie, but he has a good heart."

He explained that Ms Jones and the church had been housing local citizens and others affected by the ice storm in Oklahoma earlier this week, as hospitals in the area have been overrun.

Ms Jones features in several scenes in Borat Subsequent Moviefilm after being asked to babysit Borat's fictional 15-year-old daughter Tutar (played by actress Maria Bakalova).

Ms Jones deflects misogynistic comments made by Borat, encourages Tutar to "be happy", and tells her to "use your brain, because your daddy is a liar".

Ms Jones was originally told she was taking part in a documentary about child brides.

Following the film's release last week, Mr Scobey set up a crowdfunding page to allow fans "to say thank you" to Ms Jones.

On the page, which has raised more than $140,000 (£107,000), Mr Scobey said the movie's producers had asked him to help them find a "black grandmother for a small role in a documentary".

He said Ms Jones had recently lost her job of 32 years as a result of the coronavirus pandemic.

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-54746397
 
people do way sillier things on social media, borat was funny back in the day cos of the shock value. i havnt seen the new one, but i dont see how itd work when ppl already know who he is, and what hes about. hes just milked a tired cash cow, thats pbly abt the length and breadth of it.

i dont know enough about him to say whether hes a racist or not.
 
starts at around 8:00
a bit long but the basic points he is making in the video is

- why isn't he bringing the same heat to the Jews like he is bringing to other communities like hilly billys, Muslims (he said he jokes around with jews but he never bring like an evil sort of Jew to make of fun of his stupidity like he do with Muslims/ white supremacist's)
- He is an idiot because people show him hospitality by inviting him and trying to make him feel at home but he abuses it and ruin their lives/ respect / dignity by his "social comedy"
- he is no better than the YouTube pranksters but to act woke he paints this as social commentary
- Biggest point he is making is how as an American its hurtful and is not cool how a foreigner is making fun of their country people (like someone from outside the family tries to make fun of someone in the family, Americans can do it but its not cool when foreigners come and "teach" us about our faults)

In the end he is like imagine if someone from England comes to India and makes fun of their people to sound edgy, woke and offer his social commentary how would that make Indians feel? Not good

so they think Sacha deserves push back from Americans cause he is interfering into strictly "family business"

but video goes a bit more into detail how he himself is racist

I was about to post this, totally agree with Andrew and Akash. Sacha exploits Kazakhstan, Americans, and middle eastern muslims. His comedy has no heart whether it's Borat or the Dictator, it's just profiting off tropes
 
His comedy is cheap, full on racist, and immature. Who would fund this sort of stuff? Zionists - aslong as their message isn't lost, this guy will remain a Zionist messenger boy.
 
One could argue all Jews who follow their scriptures are racists.

Gentiles are lower races according to them.
 
His comedy is cheap, full on racist, and immature. Who would fund this sort of stuff? Zionists - aslong as their message isn't lost, this guy will remain a Zionist messenger boy.

To be fair, it's not always about Zionism. There used to be similar themes before Borat's time which were along a similar line, but don't expect too many protests from the well integrated



 
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