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Is Hashim Amla an all-time great?

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Do you consider him an ATG?

He has scored 8k+ runs in tests and 7k+ runs in odis with overall balanced performance.
 
No, and he'll never be. Of course for his ******* he's one of the best ever.
 
If there is atg tier below sanga and dravid he would be in that category.

Certainly southafrican great
 
He is in the next tier down of "Great" alongside the likes of Mahela, Mark Waugh and KP.
 
James said:
He is in the next tier down of "Great" alongside the likes of Mahela, Mark Waugh and KP.
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Mahela is a HTB. He has done nothing outside Asia.

Mark Waugh has a batting average of just 41.
 
He is in the same category as KP, Clarke and Younis. Definitely ahead of Mahela and Mark Waugh.
 
May not be but he is the best test batsmen in the world since Kumar Sangakkara because he has more series defining performances away from home than anybody else during this period.

He has also done well vs likes of Anderson, Johnson, Broad and other world class spinners he faced.
 
Most definitely. He's the best batsman of his generation, alongside Sangakkara. 50+ average in both formats, ranked #1 with 900+ ratings points in both formats along with superb match-winning innings in crucial series throughout his career. Dig deeper and you will see that he has averages of 60+ in India and England, 70+ in the UAE, 45+ in Australia and of course, has been a colossus in South Africa, easily the toughest place for batsmen.

He's not Indian, Pakistani or even English so will not get the same hype that lesser players get but when it comes to actual performances, he's easily a better batsmen across formats than anyone from those countries, except Sachin Tendulker.

A bonafide all-time great already and his career isn't over yet.
 
He has a pretty excellent record at the Test level and while he hasn't fired in ICC tournaments he has been very good in ODI's, feel he is overly criticised and African players tend to fall under the radar. Pakistan/India/England fans may criticise him but am sure they'd give an arm/leg to have him in their side.

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] What do you guys think, is he an ATG ?
 
He has no poor record in any country. He has scored runs all around the world.

He is a better batsman than younis by a long way as he is very good against pace.

He is better than sanga in overseas conditions
 
shaz619 said:
He has a pretty excellent record at the Test level and while he hasn't fired in ICC tournaments he has been very good in ODI's, feel he is overly criticised and African players tend to fall under the radar. Pakistan/India/England fans may criticise him but am sure they'd give an arm/leg to have him in their side.

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] What do you guys think, is he an ATG ?
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Agreed. He is overly criticised.
 
Rahul Dravid is undoubtedly an ATG. He doesn't have the greatest ODI record. For the same reasons, Amla is also an ATG. Guy has scored everywhere and against everyone in tests. And he might not be the best in ODIs but with that record, he is more than decent to me.

Would have been a top class performer in any generation.
 
Princejain191 said:
Rahul Dravid is undoubtedly an ATG. He doesn't have the greatest ODI record. For the same reasons, Amla is also an ATG. Guy has scored everywhere and against everyone in tests. And he might not be the best in ODIs but with that record, he is more than decent to me.

Would have been a top class performer in any generation.
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Dravid was consistent for a very long time and has much more runs as well to show,not a comparison and ODI has nothing to do with tests agreed.
 
How exactly is he an ATG?

He certainly isn't an ATG in ODI's owing to his poor performances in ICC events.

And i don't think many considered him an ATG in tests three years back, what has changed now? If anything, he has regressed as a test batsman. So much so that even after 2 hundreds against the worst test attack in the world, he hasn't been able to get his test average over 50.

Personally i will wait for his performances over the next 2 years to take a call on this. If he dominates 2019 WC with the bat, and consistently performs in tests with 10k runs at 50+, i will surely bracket him amongst ATGs. Right now, no.
 
He has a great chance to be among ATG. 2018 can be a deciding factor. He needs a big 2018.
Overall test avg so far - 49.87
His last 3 years avg
2015 - 22.81
2016 - 48.60
2017 - 49.57
 
Ted123 said:
Mahela is a HTB. He has done nothing outside Asia.

Mark Waugh has a batting average of just 41.
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Batsmen like Mark Waugh should not be judged by their averages.

Waugh has 7-8 test 100s against Ambrose, Walsh, Donald, Pollock, Wasim, and Waqar.
 
He will be an ATG if he can maintain his 50+ average in another 2 years.

People tend to forget how well Amla has done in all conditions.
 
Usual suspects will deem him ATG, everyone knows who they are and the motives behind the stance :amla

He's a better test player than LOIs and is truly world class before his slump but not an ATG.
 
Ha..ha.. 53 international centuries, mostly against good bowling attacks and he has played most of his cricket on South African tracks.. but well, everyone has his own opinion.

Doesn't matter what people think to be honest, won't matter for Hash either wheather he is called an all time great or not, as long as he can contribute in winning games for RSA, it is all that matters.
 
He is already a test ATG.
In odis he is not and probably will be not.

He will retire his career like Dravid and will be remembered as an ATG.
 
No he is not and never will be. A very good batsman and that is where it ends.
 
shaz619 said:
He has a pretty excellent record at the Test level and while he hasn't fired in ICC tournaments he has been very good in ODI's, feel he is overly criticised and African players tend to fall under the radar. Pakistan/India/England fans may criticise him but am sure they'd give an arm/leg to have him in their side.

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] What do you guys think, is he an ATG ?
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Not ATG to be honest. In Test, he could have ended as an ATG, had he not faded like this after reaching 30s. At one point, he was heading towards that, but his fast decline indicates that he'll end up with a above decent stats, which probably keeps him just out of SAF all time XI - that's 1st filter for ATG (you can be one, even if you don't make AUS or ENG or WI XI, because of the long, glorious history, but for other teams, you have to make that XI). Had he gone for a Kolpak or retirement before the last tour of IND, probably he could have claimed to be an ATG.

In ODI, he never was remotely close.
 
Tbh his record is pretty solid. What he needs is bit of longevity by modern standard. If he plays around 130 games and retire with the the average of 50, I don't see why he wouldn't be in such discussion.
 
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South Africa were indeed well and truly the no. 1 test team between 2008-2014 and this was due to the players hitting peak at the same time as well.
 
WIthout a doubt an ATG, a guy averaging almost 50 across formats, playing for over a decade and beating/scoring runs against almost everyone and anyone.
 
Every test team needs a batsman who can stay long and play the role of sheet anchor and who can calm nerves in the dressing room by his reassuring presence in the middle. Amla has done this task for South Africa with distinction for nearly a decade.
 
Ab Fan said:
South Africa were indeed well and truly the no. 1 test team between 2008-2014 and this was due to the players hitting peak at the same time as well.
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Agreed. They were well deserved no 1 team.
 
I am still on the fence with Amla
This year has not been great for him
10 Test , 510 runs @26.84 average.
Similar stats in ODI too
11 match 315 @28.63 average.
 
As expected. When the target gets softer,Amla makes runs to pile up the stats....
 
jeetu said:
I am still on the fence with Amla
This year has not been great for him
10 Test , 510 runs @26.84 average.
Similar stats in ODI too
11 match 315 @28.63 average.
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Wow a massive decline that is. I wonder if any events in his personal life has made such an impact. He is a class player and dont numbers just dont make sense with Amla.
 
James said:
He is in the next tier down of "Great" alongside the likes of Mahela, Mark Waugh and KP.
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This. Not a Viv Richards, Tendulkar or Lara, but still would get into any side in history.
 
Yes he is but I guess people have a different defition of all time great.

I dont see why this tag has to be limited to 4 or 5 players at the top.
 
gazza619 said:
Wow a massive decline that is. I wonder if any events in his personal life has made such an impact. He is a class player and dont numbers just dont make sense with Amla.
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T20.. He's not leaving the ball as he used to be earlier, chasing every ball.. even today he was chased widish (?) delivery but thankfully Zaman drop the catch..
 
He's had a sharper decline than any player I can remember. The hand-eye coordination has gone, the confidence is at an all-time low and he also has more than his fair share of brain-fades these days.

However, on the toughest of pitches against some world-class attacks, he still shows glimpses of the masterful batsman who dominated the first part of this decade in both tests and ODIs. He's played a few outstanding innings over the past few years despite the many failures.

Definitely an ATG for me and arguably South Africa's best, after Kallis. Hopefully he gets to 60 tons.
 
No way. He is a good player for sure, nothing more or less.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Yes he is but I guess people have a different defition of all time great.

I dont see why this tag has to be limited to 4 or 5 players at the top.
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Any long-term cricket fan gets a feel for these things. Would player 'x' do well in year 'y' against players 'a', 'b' or 'c', who are obvious ATGs? That is the question I ask myself when judging players along with analyzing their stats, looking at their performances and how they stack up against their contemporaries.
 
Bilal7 said:
Any long-term cricket fan gets a feel for these things. Would player 'x' do well in year 'y' against players 'a', 'b' or 'c', who are obvious ATGs? That is the question I ask myself when judging players along with analyzing their stats, looking at their performances and how they stack up against their contemporaries.
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Interesting.

Do you believe the following players are ATG?

Graham Gooch
Alistair Cook
Graham Smith
Shaun Pollock
 
He is most certainly not an ATG

Heck it’s funny same posters who think Amla is an ATG are in the fence about Kohli
 
even as a south african great, he is below Barry Richards, Gary Kirsten, Graeme Smith, Kallis, ABDV.
 
No. Only his hardcore fans will remember him long after he retires.
 
SA great, on par with ABD in tests but behind Kallis and Smith.

Overall, he is behind Kallis, ABD and Smith.
 
I personally consider Smith and Cook as ATGs because opening in Test cricket is a very niche role. In 20-30 years time, when people will talk about the great Test openers in modern cricket, their names will definitely make the list.

However, when people will talk about the greatest batsmen to play the game, how many will name Amla?
 
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Amla was a gun batsman for 3-4 years and dud in all others. He is a modern great, not an ATG in any format.
 
It is possible that some Pakistanis rate him higher because he averages 50+ against Pakistan. Fair enough I suppose.
 
You cannot be an ATG if you have 5 great years, are but are just good in another 10. ATGs require consistent greatness over a longer stretch. Thats why Kohli and Smith are also not ATGs yet. They need to keep doing this over another few years.
 
rhony said:
Guy doesn't even has a benchmark 50 avg. He ain't Dravid.
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He has scored on toughest SA pitches pitches and has done well against spin too.

Anyways i dont care much about the average, he has played quality innings in test matches against quality bowling.
 
If you wish to see your posts not deleted on this thread then

1. Leave out references to Amla's religion/appearance etc
2. Dont target posters etc for their opinions
 
Very good batsman. Not ATG, not even close.
 
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Amazing peak surrounded by lowest of the low valleys. Not an ATG.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Interesting.

Do you believe the following players are ATG?

Graham Gooch
Alistair Cook
Graham Smith
Shaun Pollock
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Gooch - yes but only his last three years
Cook - no, not good enough against top class fast bowling, though an excellent player of spin
Smith - yes, record against AUS not great but average 50 over 10K runs as opener is hard to argue against
Pollock - yes
 
Robert said:
Gooch - yes but only his last three years
Cook - no, not good enough against top class fast bowling, though an excellent player of spin
Smith - yes, record against AUS not great but average 50 over 10K runs as opener is hard to argue against
Pollock - yes
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Smith doesn't average 50 and neither does he have 10K runs overall.

9200 runs @Avg 48 but he did it all being the captain for years.
 
Ab Fan said:
Smith doesn't average 50 and neither does he have 10K runs overall.

9200 runs @Avg 48 but he did it all being the captain for years.
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Warne does not average under 25 and Viv barely averages over 50. This is only an indicator, not the be all, end all.

KingKhanWC said:
Interesting.

Do you believe the following players are ATG?

Graham Gooch
Alistair Cook
Graham Smith
Shaun Pollock
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Gooch - No.
Cook - No.
Smith - Yes.
Pollock - Yes.
 
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