Is India the most overrated team in last 15 years?

[Joseph Gomes]

I see the Indian team, particularly Indian players get hyped to the moon by the media. Everybody talks like Indian team is elite, Kohli is the GOAT T20I batsman, and so on. IPL is bigger than International cricket, and even T20I World Cup.

Yet when it comes to delivering on the big stage, India has choked every single time. All bark, no bite.

Just shows you the influence of media and how it can delude everybody. Pretty shameful BCCI, who generate 70% of cricket's entire revenue, can't even make India win a single ICC trophy for 1.5 decade.

And so much for the billion-dollar IPL. What has that done for India? Still choking like there's no tomorrow.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

"We can pick two more teams and win any competition in the world" - Hardik Pandya

 

[Robert]

Overrated by their own fans perhaps.

I know the Aussies rate them in tests.

 

[topspin]

India haven't won an ICC white ball tournament in 9 years.

 

[Aman]

India have been in decline in LOIs for a while, they aren't a force they use to be.

Pakistan have an objectively better T20 team and cause more fear to other teams in ODIs as well.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Hype team from a hyped up nation . IPL has never had great bowlers and neither has team India in its history apart from the odd one like Kapil or Bumrah .

Bowling is the key to win tournaments

 

[MP2011]

India have been in decline in LOIs for a while, they aren't a force they use to be.

Pakistan have an objectively better T20 team and cause more fear to other teams in ODIs as well.

Thanks to Dhoni then Kohli. These 2 are the ones who harmed our LoI cricket during last decade more than anyone else

 

[MP2011]

I see Rohit is treading in the same path as that of his predecessors.

 

[sam_ahm]

The team is overrated to some extent and the reason for that is good bilateral performances. Truth is that these days with so much international cricket being played, most teams do not care much about white ball Bilaterals. Esp T20 bilaterals are literally looked upon as some practice games.

Teams only care about multi national ICC events and Tests.

Also some players like SKY and all are way too much over hyped. SKY is just a single format player and he has not yet won any major event for India, so there is no basis for that hype.

 

[Forum363]

"We can pick two more teams and win any competition in the world" - Hardik Pandya

To be fair to him, he did a great job of clapping aggressively to get the crown riled up, right before India got smacked for another 4 and they all went quiet.

Hilarious watching karma play out against such an arrogant overrated player.

Kohli is the only superstar in this Indian team. He wasn't the best captain but his skill is on another level and he has been the difference for India over the past decade.

 

[rhony]

No they aren't over rated. They've been to semis in almost every major event in the last decade except for the last year's world cup. NZ has been in the same boat in LOIs. There are only 4 consistent top teams in the world. Aus, Eng, Ind, NZ. The others shine once in a while but in this format anyone can beat anyone else. That's why it's exciting. England is however showing how to play this game

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No they aren't over rated. They've been to semis in almost every major event in the last decade except for the last year's world cup. NZ has been in the same boat in LOIs. There are only 4 consistent top teams in the world. Aus, Eng, Ind, NZ. The others shine once in a while but in this format anyone can beat anyone else. That's why it's exciting. England is however showing how to play this game

For a team that's not overrated, they looked very second best today. England didn't just beat them, they pulverised them. Absolute annihilation.

 

[jnaveen1980]

This imaginary "over-rating" thread lol Indians have been the harshest Indian selection. In Pyjama format Australia was thrashed by Buttler in 2021 similarly. Can you tell me who won the world t20 then? So Australia was the better side than England in 2021? Even now England is not sure they will win it. If they don't win we can safely say they are over-rated. lol At the end of the day everyone who doesn't win the WC is over-rated.

 

[jnaveen1980]

For a team that's not overrated, they looked very second best today. England didn't just beat them, they pulverised them. Absolute annihilation.

Didn't England annihilate Australia in 2021 world t20?

 

[rhony]

For a team that's not overrated, they looked very second best today. England didn't just beat them, they pulverised them. Absolute annihilation.

It was annihilation because the bowling flopped. You can call a team overrated if they flop consistently. Not a team that went to semi final of every tournament barring one in the last decade.

 

[riddu]

they play 90% matches in india itself and win .. so india should stop playing matches in india only

 

[Syed1]

The only matches they played well were against Zim, Ned.

Got external help against BD and Pak and still managed to barely crawl through. Also got slapped around by SA.

Overated team with over hyped mediocre players.

 

[MP2011]

Didn't England annihilate Australia in 2021 world t20?

Tell me what was the end result of that WT20 even after that annihilation?

 

[jnaveen1980]

The only matches they played well were against Zim, Ned.

Got external help against BD and Pak and still managed to barely crawl through. Also got slapped around by SA.

Overated team with over hyped mediocre players.

England lost to Ireland, Pakistan lost to Zimbabwe and also the "overrated overhyped team". Australia got canned by NZ. What is your point.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Tell me what was the end result of that WT20 even after that annihilation?

That is pretty much what i am saying lol Thrashing don't mean over-rated. At that time Australia was considred over-rated. Once they won. Everyone was singing different tune.

 

[mrtaim3]

I think one of the main reasons is their media and fans who over hype players so early in their careers which puts undue pressure on the young lads.

SKY is a big example of that. He is a good players but has scored mostly against weaker teams. I have hardly seen him playing good against top side. Everyone is going SKY SKY from commentators to the fans. No one is letting him settle down.

Another reason is their rubbish bowling tbh, its time India loses the likes of Bhuvi, Shami and Ashwin. They have been average for so long yet they keep getting selected.

Get some new faces, i'm sure they will be better than these lot.

A lot of changes are needed.

 

[rhony]

they play 90% matches in india itself and win .. so india should stop playing matches in india only

Cricket boards in other countries will be bankrupt if that's true LOL. India tours more than any other team in the world

 

[JAV12341]

India one of the greatest teams of all time in past 2 decades

 

[jnaveen1980]

I think one of the main reasons is their media and fans who over hype players so early in their careers which puts undue pressure on the young lads.

SKY is a big example of that. He is a good players but has scored mostly against weaker teams. I have hardly seen him playing good against top side. Everyone is going SKY SKY from commentators to the fans. No one is letting him settle down.

Another reason is their rubbish bowling tbh, its time India loses the likes of Bhuvi, Shami and Ashwin. They have been average for so long yet they keep getting selected.

Get some new faces, i'm sure they will be better than these lot.

A lot of changes are needed.

This bowling attack is one of the most rubbish attack he faced. He t hrashed them in England as well. Don't say this is top team. He takes chances. Occasionally won't come off. Even against BD failed. That means BD is top team? Took on SA bowling at Perth

 

[rhony]

This bowling attack is one of the most rubbish attack he faced. He t hrashed them in England as well. Don't say this is top team. He takes chances. Occasionally won't come off. Even against BD failed. That means BD is top team? Took on SA bowling at Perth

Some how BD is a benchmark now. The pathetic team that barely won against Zimbos and Ned. I can understand the POV of Pakistanis though. SKY is competing with Rizwan and Babar in the rankings and battings rankings are very imp for a team like Pak that doesn't produce good batsmen in general

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Saying they are overrated would suggest they don't have a good record in general. But they have done great in bilateral cricket and even won series overseas. So no, they are not overrated, and they did have some genuine match winners like Surya and Pandya along with Rohit and Kohli who may not be in their prime but are still pretty good.

If India shouldn't be rated, who should? Pakistan? On what?

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

SKY is a big example of that. He is a good players but has scored mostly against weaker teams. I have hardly seen him playing good against top side.

He has a T20 century against England in England.

 

[MP2011]

That is pretty much what i am saying lol Thrashing don't mean over-rated. At that time Australia was considred over-rated. Once they won. Everyone was singing different tune.

But the key difference is that they won the tournament even after being annihilated once and we didn't win the entire thing like Aussies did

 

[Usman Chadda]

Saying they are overrated would suggest they don't have a good record in general. But they have done great in bilateral cricket and even won series overseas. So no, they are not overrated, and they did have some genuine match winners like Surya and Pandya along with Rohit and Kohli who may not be in their prime but are still pretty good.

If India shouldn't be rated, who should? Pakistan? On what?

On the basis our boys don’t get humiliated like some minnow in knockout games.

2022 World T20 semi-final.

2017 Champions Trophy final.

India sure has a great track record in forgetting to play cricket on knockout days

 

[jnaveen1980]

Some how BD is a benchmark now. The pathetic team that barely won against Zimbos and Ned. I can understand the POV of Pakistanis though. SKY is competing with Rizwan and Babar in the rankings and battings rankings are very imp for a team like Pak that doesn't produce good batsmen in general

It is not ranking. His approach is always high risk approach. Today he tried to open up the off side. Not like he was defending. He went after the bowling and got out. I am fine with that. He should continue batting like that. He is the only bright spot in our line up.

 

[Energy]

India plays a 4 to 5 month long home season each year and that amounts to the highest volume of games. It also enjoys another 2 months of IPL cricket.

If you accumulate this for years, that's a long time to boost your statistics and lead everyone to believing that you are one of the best in the world.

But then comes a reality check.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

They are still the best in tests.

In ICC events they have been very poor but their test team, has been, and still is solid.

 

[MP2011]

On the basis our boys don’t get humiliated like some minnow in knockout games.

2022 World T20 semi-final.

2017 Champions Trophy final.

India sure has a great track record in forgetting to play cricket on knockout days

I agree with this. Only thing that matter in LoI cricket are the world events where we are miserable failures for close to a decade now.

 

[MP2011]

It is not ranking. His approach is always high risk approach. Today he tried to open up the off side. Not like he was defending. He went after the bowling and got out. I am fine with that. He should continue batting like that. He is the only bright spot in our line up.

I'm fine with Sky's approach too. At least he tried his best.

 

[MP2011]

They are still the best in tests.

In ICC events they have been very poor but their test team, has been, and still is solid.

This. In tests we are still quite good.

 

[in_cutter]

Overrated and arrogant

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

England lost to Ireland, Pakistan lost to Zimbabwe and also the "overrated overhyped team". Australia got canned by NZ. What is your point.

You said you were neither hurt by 152/0 nor hurt by 170/0 because they are T20s but you do look hurt by [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]'s post here? He is talking about T20 WC here.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I'm fine with Sky's approach too. At least he tried his best.

If anything India needs more batsmen like SKy. They need players who can assess conditions and play accordingly.

 

[IAJ]

A country which has the best T20 league, all the facilities a cricketer can dream of, pay the players extreme salaries, you have to say it's a big surprise they haven't won anything since 2015. I know they often reach semis and finals, but that is not good enough for such a good team.

 

[mrtaim3]

It is not ranking. His approach is always high risk approach. Today he tried to open up the off side. Not like he was defending. He went after the bowling and got out. I am fine with that. He should continue batting like that. He is the only bright spot in our line up.

High risk approach doesn't mean you play straight into the fielder hands. See how Hales and Jos Buttler played. Most of their shots were in the gaps even if they were one bounce fours.

Its all about assessing the field and then playing the shots. He has the potential to do but don't put undue pressure on him by rating him right up with Kohli or peak sharma.

 

[Kriketer]

A team that is yet to produce a proper lethal express bowler will always be labeled as an average team. Its a joke that even after having such huge population and so many IPL seasons they can't yet find an express paceman.

Too many bilaterals at home, cricket on phatta wickets across and IPL money money money obsession has ruined the mind of their fans. These types of absolute humiliating defeats are a good humble pie for them to learn to stay grounded and their online fans will learn to behave as well... we all know how baap-beta nonsense sharply declined after 152-0 humiliating thrashing.

They have choked in all major tournaments in last decade, as they barely carry their group form to semis. Dhoni era is done and they are on a decline. They certainly are the new chokers along with SA.

 

[jnaveen1980]

High risk approach doesn't mean you play straight into the fielder hands. See how Hales and Jos Buttler played. Most of their shots were in the gaps even if they were one bounce fours.

Its all about assessing the field and then playing the shots. He has the potential to do but don't put undue pressure on him by rating him right up with Kohli or peak sharma.

SKY is one guy who is master of avoiding fielder. . He targeted a specific area. Didn't go. big deal. Didn't you see the 6 he hit? They had 4 fielders in deep on the on side. He missed everyone of them by going finer.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Best in Test format
Average in ODIs
Average in T20s

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

SKY is one guy who is master of avoiding fielder. . He targeted a specific area. Didn't go. big deal. Didn't you see the 6 he hit? They had 4 fielders in deep on the on side. He missed everyone of them by going finer.

Bhai no doubt he has a great future, but that was top edge.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Bhai no doubt he has a great future, but that was top edge.

If needed i would take 4 more SKY. He is a box office player. ANyone who saw his 117 at Trent bridge would know what kind of player he is. He didn't waste any balls This match was lost due to India's openers. Kohli did his part. Nobody expected him to do well in this world cup. Exceeded the expectations. But the top 2 utterly useless in critical matches.

 

[IAJ]

Every single Indian fan outside statium interviewed today was talking about how they will defeat Pakistan on Sunday. None of them were thinking about England match. Such arrogance and delusion is un-matched.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

India cheetay g! Jai

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Every single Indian fan outside statium interviewed today was talking about how they will defeat Pakistan on Sunday. None of them were thinking about England match. Such arrogance and delusion is un-matched.

I wonder where the delusion comes from. Didn't even win the ICC Test Championship.

 

[sam_ahm]

In tests also we have lost the 3 overseas tests that we played this year. While I would say we are still a very good test team, things can quickly go South if we get complacent.

 

[jnaveen1980]

But the key difference is that they won the tournament even after being annihilated once and we didn't win the entire thing like Aussies did

yes. But the Australian side was made fun of at that time by fans. lol They won 6 tosses in a row and also 6 matches. T20 performances have to be viewed with context. First of all this particular side is an average T20 side that relies significantly on conditions. 90% of fans were crying about carrying trundlers. Luckily swing assistance was available in some of the places. Arshdeep first season. Bhuvi a trundler who doesn't take wickets. Shami despite experience played only a handful of T20s for India. No wrist spin, No batting depth. two poor openers. Just 2 decent batsmen. This is an average T20 side to begin with. Most likely they will lose to India B team on a flat track. These things fan should have understood even before the ball is bowled. We even had this clue when LItton Das attacked. BD was 60/0 in 6 overs at the same venue. Today 63/0 in 6 overs at the same venue. This was on the cards. So let us not pretend to be shocked.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I wonder where the delusion comes from. Didn't even win the ICC Test Championship.

Delusion and arrogance comes from IPL, money and power. You won't see that joshila guy here today who keep showing off BCCI's power and IPL broadcasting rights money on behalf of BCCI here.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

On the basis our boys don’t get humiliated like some minnow in knockout games.

2022 World T20 semi-final.

2017 Champions Trophy final.

India sure has a great track record in forgetting to play cricket on knockout days

Getting knocked out in ICC events doesn't mean they're overrated. India is rated highly because of their performances in multiple series, across formats, across countries. On that front, they're No. 1 in the world. (Who else is?) Their failure to win an ICC tournament since 2013 has been well documented, but that doesn't mean they're overrated.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Getting knocked out in ICC events doesn't mean they're overrated. India is rated highly because of their performances in multiple series, across formats, across countries. On that front, they're No. 1 in the world. (Who else is?) Their failure to win an ICC tournament since 2013 has been well documented, but that doesn't mean they're overrated.

You play series to build your team and best 11 so that you can have your best 11 players in the field in events like WCs.

It's like you been studying day and night and still failing an exam.

 

[MP2011]

yes. But the Australian side was made fun of at that time by fans.

For the umpteenth time, they still won the whole damn thing! So don't really understand the equivalence of our plight this year vis-a-vis Australian team which won last WT20!

 

[the Great Khan]

Bhai no doubt he has a great future, but that was top edge.

He's 32. Will be 34 at next t20 wc..dude has barely any time left and purple patches don't last forever. Also was clearly outfoxed by Adil Rashid.

 

[Front Foot Pull]

we will win most bilaterals and have best W/L among all the teams. rank among the top. BUT WON'T WIN ANY ICC TOURNAMENTS.
now give them whichever tag fits.

 

[the Great Khan]

Getting knocked out in ICC events doesn't mean they're overrated. India is rated highly because of their performances in multiple series, across formats, across countries. On that front, they're No. 1 in the world. (Who else is?) Their failure to win an ICC tournament since 2013 has been well documented, but that doesn't mean they're overrated.

I think the correct word is overhyped. Different to overated. I would say saffers are highly overrated. India are way too overhyped by the media and their fans.

 

[shamaan]

No they aren't over rated. They've been to semis in almost every major event in the last decade except for the last year's world cup. NZ has been in the same boat in LOIs. There are only 4 consistent top teams in the world. Aus, Eng, Ind, NZ. The others shine once in a while but in this format anyone can beat anyone else. That's why it's exciting. England is however showing how to play this game

Pakistan has got to semi final on numerous occasions baring two I believe.

 

[shamaan]

That was ambarrasing performance totally unacceptable in a semi final.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

On the basis our boys don’t get humiliated like some minnow in knockout games.

2022 World T20 semi-final.

2017 Champions Trophy final.

India sure has a great track record in forgetting to play cricket on knockout days

Haha yeah boy.

I'd be seriously angry if we had even had one of these massacres done to our team.

India need to seriously revisit team selection.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Yeah Tests no doubt a wonderful team and one of GOAT Asian sides.

 

[happydavy]

If course India is overrated, just like i feel how Pakistan is, may be not to the extent of India but overrated certainly. That's because cricket fans over twitter are all Indians and Pakistanis who are most vocal, emotional and most importantly with limited cricket knowledge. They want to sing and dance over every four or six or every trivial victory.

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistani fans need to sit down and look in the mirror. They have been comfortably the most overrated side of the past 15 years.

They have been ranked 5th/6th in Tests and ODIs 90% of the time and because they have been horrible in overseas Tests and borderline minnows in ODIs.

They have been okay in T20Is but that is largely because they take bilateral T20Is a lot more seriously than others.

In spite of being mediocre 99% of the time, the keep repeating the “talent bohat hai” mantra.

India have been an incredible team over the past 15 years, probably the best all-format team. The likes of England, South Africa and Australia have been better than them in patches but India have been more consistent.

It might appear that Pakistan have closed the gap over the past year and a half but we heard the same after the CT 2017.

India needs to freshen things up a bit. They have largely carried the same core for 5-6 years now and it is time to inject some new energy into the side. Things have gone a bit stale.

They should have revitalized the team after the World Cup last year but now they have another opportunity to do so.

There will be a lot of pressure on India to repeat the 2011 heroics and win the home World Cup in 2023. However, if India continues with the same players and same approach, they are unlikely to win.

I think this hammering by England would be a defining moment for them and it will put a lot of players to pastures. Expect a much different Indian team in two years time as they prepare to win their first ICC tournament in 10 years.

 

[pillionrider]

Any team that boasts a few spectacular talents but has 0 world titles to show for it is overrated.

Extremely.

But this is also the mistake of the media and fans because you’re looking at a few players and creating expectations in what is essentially a team sport.

In short, there are players in the team who are rated high, deservedly, but they are not enough to lug along the mediocrity they are surrounded with.

 

[JaDed]

From the time Mamoon has joined India has won a grand total of 1 ICC trophy, I wonder how it would be if we see one tournament where he doesn't post. Probably an undercover jinxer.

#rantJinxLookingtoBlame

And I would say we are overrated but only after 2014.

 

[ex-q-zit]

"Can't Teach Anyone To Handle Pressure": Rohit Sharma Laments After India Get Knocked Out Of T20 World Cup

ndia's dream of winning the 2022 T20 World Cup was crushed in spectacular fashion by England on Thursday. After India set a 169-run target, England openers Alex hales (86*) and Jos Buttler (80*) guided the team to a 10-wicket win in just 16 overs. This loss means that India's wait for a ICC title got extended by a year. India last won an ICC title in 2013. On Thursday, Indian openers Rohit and KL Rahul could not fire as expected. However, some rearguard action by Hardik Pandya (63*) and Virat Kohli (50) took India to a fighting total. But, Indian bowlers and fielders had a poor day as England openers made merry.

After the loss, India skipper Rohit Sharma pointed out the reasons behind the loss.

"It's pretty disappointing how we turned up today. I thought we still batted pretty well at the back end to get to that score, but we were not good enough with the ball. It was definitely not a wicket where a team can come and chase it down in 16 overs. With the ball we didn't turn up today," Rohit Sharma said after the loss.

"When it comes to knockout stages, it's all about handling the pressure. Depends on the individual as well. You can't teach anyone to handle pressure. When these guys play the playoffs in the IPL and all that, those are high-pressure games, and they're able to handle it. The way we started with the ball was not ideal. We were a little nervy, but you have to give credit to the openers as well. They played really well.

"When Bhuvi bowled the first over it swung today, but not from the right areas. We wanted to keep it tight, not give room, because square of the wicket was an area we were aware of - that's where the runs came today. If we keep it tight and the batsman still score runs, we'll take it. But we didn't do that today. In the game against Bangladesh it was tricky as well, but I thought we held our nerve that day, executed well."

NDTV

 

[Mamoon]

From the time Mamoon has joined India has won a grand total of 1 ICC trophy, I wonder how it would be if we see one tournament where he doesn't post. Probably an undercover jinxer.

#rantJinxLookingtoBlame

And I would say we are overrated but only after 2014.

Trophies are overrated. West Indies have 2 in the last 10 years, more than any side. However, they are still looked upon as a borderline minnow team.

What matters more is how consistency you beat teams across formats, conditions etc. over a prolonged period of time and this is where India has shown its class.

 

[JaDed]

Trophies are overrated. West Indies have 2 in the last 10 years, more than any side. However, they are still looked upon as a borderline minnow team.

What matters more is how consistency you beat teams across formats, conditions etc. over a prolonged period of time and this is where India has shown its class.

I believe in Aus mode of thought process of wins, I'm not looking for my team to be Saffers of 1990s and 2000s.
I have no issues with team doing anything against spirit of the game to win.(within the laws).
Maybe you will be happy when Pak is like Saffers of the two decades ,I won't.

 

[Bewal Express]

For all the hype and the IPL money PK has done better than Ind in both the last 2 T20 tournaments. Lots of hype and nothing to show.

 

[Bewal Express]

From the time Mamoon has joined India has won a grand total of 1 ICC trophy, I wonder how it would be if we see one tournament where he doesn't post. Probably an undercover jinxer.

#rantJinxLookingtoBlame

And I would say we are overrated but only after 2014.

Long may he continue supporting you guys. Thankfully we are rid of losers

 

[happydavy]

Trophies are overrated. West Indies have 2 in the last 10 years, more than any side. However, they are still looked upon as a borderline minnow team.

What matters more is how consistency you beat teams across formats, conditions etc. over a prolonged period of time and this is where India has shown its class.

No i disagree on that. Doesn't matter how WI is perceived, fact is Samuels sit there as a content man with 2 WC trophies beside him. As a cricketer, that's what defines your legacy, your sense of accomplishment, your honor. Doesn't matter what outside world thinks, which in cricketing world anyway means just India and Pakistan.

 

[jnaveen1980]

15 years means since the beginning of T20 adoption?

Against top 8 sides since T20 was included


INdia vs top sides in world T20



India vs top sides in overall t20 including bilateral against top sides



Yes Must be a seriously over-rated T20 side in the last "15 years"

 

[happydavy]

For all the hype and the IPL money PK has done better than Ind in both the last 2 T20 tournaments. Lots of hype and nothing to show.

To be fair, i would agree with you if Pakistan wins the final. Otherwise in a T20 tournament, doing better than others means nothing unless you have a cup in hand.

 

[Mamoon]

I believe in Aus mode of thought process of wins, I'm not looking for my team to be Saffers of 1990s and 2000s.
I have no issues with team doing anything against spirit of the game to win.(within the laws).
Maybe you will be happy when Pak is like Saffers of the two decades ,I won't.

Being like Australia (1999-2007) is obviously the idealistic dream, win 99% of series and win World Cups too.

But since that is not possible and beyond everyone’s reach including India’s, it is better to be like South Africa of 1990s and 2000s than West Indies of 2010s.

When you play like a rubbish team 90% of the time, winning a trophy or two will not make you a big team. Similarly, if you are great 90% of the time, failing to win trophies will not make you a bad side.

 

[JaDed]

Being like Australia (1999-2007) is obviously the idealistic dream, win 99% of series and win World Cups too.

But since that is not possible and beyond everyone’s reach including India’s, it is better to be like South Africa of 1990s and 2000s than West Indies of 2010s.

When you play like a rubbish team 90% of the time, winning a trophy or two will not make you a big team. Similarly, if you are great 90% of the time, failing to win trophies will not make you a bad side.

I don't mind even being like Aus of 2015-2021 with two ICC trophies ,you play to win, all these consistency talk seem to be that of Dravid' school which I don't care about.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Being like Australia (1999-2007) is obviously the idealistic dream, win 99% of series and win World Cups too.

But since that is not possible and beyond everyone’s reach including India’s, it is better to be like South Africa of 1990s and 2000s than West Indies of 2010s.

When you play like a rubbish team 90% of the time, winning a trophy or two will not make you a big team. Similarly, if you are great 90% of the time, failing to win trophies will not make you a bad side.

Especially in t20 it is literally impossible. It depends on so many variables. venues, toss, injuries. England was on course to win the T20 in 2014 when Stokes bowled 20th over. In one over destiny changed. India definitely underachieved as much as any other sides in the world. It is not like there is anything called "under-rated" team in T20. They say NZ as an under-rated side. But they neither won world T20s nor were a consistently dominating T20 side

 

[Cricket_fan_2021]

Yes India is overrated. But that does not mean they are a bad minnow team. The dynamic is a little bit more complicated.

1. Thanks to IPL and a changing cultural scene in India, many young players have made more money in 2-5 years than the cricketers of yesteryear have made in a lifetime! As a result, there is a deep sense of complacency, over confidence and arrogance. This affects their work ethic and dedication when playing important games for their country.

2. Since the dawn of SRT, India has been very batting focused. India has never really produced a good bowling attack, like EVER. Every young kid only wants to bat and gain the laurels like SRT.

3. BCCI as a governing body has been too busy in the past few years in raking in the billions of dollars and spreading their clout. They have shifted their focus from grass-root cultivation of talent. They merely let the lucrativeness of IPL bring out talent on it's own--->more and more batters.. not as many good bowlers.

4. The advantage of IPL in bringing out talent is a 2-edged sword. Yes, while the lucrativeness and greed for money has brought out a lot of good batters for India, the downside has been neglecting of ICC tournaments and their preparedness for that. Bumrah - India's top bowler - got used to the full extent in IPL, then suffered back pain, got ruled out of Asia cup, came back for a couple of matches when Australia came to India.. then back to being injured and ruled out of the world coup. This is like the most horrible use of the top bowler for India. He played 14 matches for IPL in 2022 for 12 crores.. and has never really performed on national level. It is as if BCCI is saving him for something bigger.. but asia cup has come and gone, world cup has come and gone.. and he is no where to be seen.
5. Repeated mistakes and never learning from it. KL Rahul aka, the biggest hack in the Indian team who somehow worked his way up to Vice Captaincy... the Indian team persisted with him despite numerous losses for God only knows what reason. Same thing with Bhuvaneshwar Kumar. He was no doubt good at one point, but has been past him prime for a while now. In Asia Cup as well as T20 WC, hey get getting hammered.. especially when he bowled the 19th over.. yet they persisted with him.
6. There is too much overconfidence and ultimately it caused India their downfall when it mattered the most. A lot of India's "ranking" etc. comes from playing stupid tournaments and against not-so-strong teams and especially in home conditions. Flat Track Bullies in their Home grounds! That again gave them the perception of being better than they actually are.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I don't mind even being like Aus of 2015-2021 with two ICC trophies ,you play to win, all these consistency talk seem to be that of Dravid' school which I don't care about.

England was supposed to win 2021 world T20 as well. I am not even sure they will win the final.

 

[Bewal Express]

To be fair, i would agree with you if Pakistan wins the final. Otherwise in a T20 tournament, doing better than others means nothing unless you have a cup in hand.

I disagree, you reach the final, you have done better than teams that haven't.

 

[Bewal Express]

In T20 bilateral series have no value and the only T20 WC matters. We have done well for 2 T20 WCs than Ind. Just basic fact