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Is India the new 'choker' of international cricket?

I love these threads. haha.

We have started to go the Saffer way bro.

Have to prepare ourselves for ridicule in the coming years.
 
Sandeep said:
20 runs in 3 overs with Pandey on 110* and Sanju on 80* with 6 wickets in hand. Then, we choke.. 3-4 years back Indian sides were tremendous sides which would never choke!
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Give them credit for scoring 321 after having scored 55 against the same team a week ago. They will meet Australia A again in the final and win this time :)
 
Sadly yes,worst is we are choking in the KO stages of most ICC tournaments ,worrying trend considering we play a lot of IPL with KOs.
 
Also feel the upcoming players who will surely be joining Indian team Manish,Rahul are not taking us over the line,something which Yuvi,MSD,Kohli have done for us to win crucial matches.

We always need that one player who crosses the line for us and sadly Kohli can't do it every match and MSD is almost finished in that aspect.
 
Yeah, none of our new players are clutch at all.

Dark days await.
 
It is the hope that kills you:ibutt

Thought we would lose by a hundred runs in that T20 match, but then coming within touching distance of victory only to muck up in the end.

Same story today. Thought we were gone for all money when Aus scored 320 and we lost top order wickets but Pandey and Samson put on an incredible partnership only to emulate what their seniors did.:narine

Unfair to blame Pandey though. He scored a ton in a winning chase with Dhawal kulkarni at the other end. But Samson should have really finished it when you need 4 from 3 balls.

Anyway good to say Pandey and Samson doing well though.
 
This deserves a crowning ceremony.

Can we please bring Shaun Pollock to hand over the crown?

Yes please.
 
Indians should really thank DK for pulling them out of a massive humiliation for playing once in a lifetime knock. An unreal knock played under immense pressure.

Not everyday do you see a finish like this.

Wise men learn their lessons from near escapes.
 
What we have to learn is that very rarely do team win after batting second in finals and hence should bat first after winning the toss
 
Indian LOI team has so many weaknesses. It's basically carried by a few players.

We hav to rectify it or we will see yet another heartbreak in 2019.

This game DK saved us BIG TIME.

No matter what DK does from now on, he will be considered a legend for saving us from years of humiliation under the hands of Bangladeshis.
 
Indiafan said:
What we have to learn is that very rarely do team win after batting second in finals and hence should bat first after winning the toss
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This could only have been concluded by someone possessing one of the highest IQs on PP.

Well done IF. You remain a great ambassador of your countrymen on this foreign forum. I fully concur with you.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
This could only have been concluded by someone possessing one of the highest IQs on PP.

Well done IF. You remain a great ambassador of your countrymen on this foreign forum. I fully concur with you.
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Thank you. I am honored by the honor, especially coming from someone I respect
 
One thing that was apparent after Ganguly and particularly Dhoni came to helm the Indian team is that they are many things, but not chokers. I remember how they seemed to be made out of glass when we used to give them epic phainties at Sharjah, where they repeatedly used to throw away winning positions.

But now they turn up, stay cool under pressure and it takes a special performance by the other team to win (like in the CT Final which I'd put down to our boys having one of those days that only Pakistan can). I guess close matches in the IPL has helped them and I'm hoping for the same from the PSL soon with our boys.
 
Yes Indian are certainly making not right decisions when it comes to big matches with virat kohli opting to bowl first in champions trophy 2017 and not sending dhoni at 4 or 5 in the new Zealand match and these can only happen if the pressure of big matches is getting to India and no wonder Kohli keeps always quoting is "keeping things simple" and "doing the basics right" during the big pre match interviews
 
If we're talking about big tourneys than yes India usually fields a team that can win most tourney but end up chocking reason being simply as good as they are their a littler overrated and they don't have the bowlers to win, although India produce some good bowlers they don't have bowlers that will win them a championship

After 2013 ICC champions trophy

India lost 2014 world t20 final
India lost 2015 semi final World Cup
India lost 2016 ICC world t20 semi final
India lost 2017 ICC champions trophy final
India 2019 lost ICC World Cup semi finals

In u19 level they did win recently and produce good results how ever if they lose today than yes India choked
 
Even India U19 is collapsing during the chase in the U19 World Cup 2024. Probably, India needs to work on handling pressure in the finals of mega events because they consistently reach the semifinals and finals.
 
FearlessRoar said:
Even India U19 is collapsing during the chase in the U19 World Cup 2024. Probably, India needs to work on handling pressure in the finals of mega events because they consistently reach the semifinals and finals.
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This is not a choke. This is just a mismatched contest. That's it. What is there to choke? Australia is a far superior side especially in these conditions.
 
Australia were by far the best team in this tournament. India had no chance to be honest, so not really a choke.
 
India is becoming an even bigger choker than South Africa which shows they have talent but are not mentally strong enough to take on any sort of pressure.
 
Yeah, World Cup 2023 pretty much ends the debate. You could make a case for other teams also favourites in the WT20 tournaments but ODI World Cup pretty much answers all the questions.
 
I don't think that one should say that they are the chokers. Sometimes, your opponents play better than you on that particular day and it is part of the sport. It is not that they were beaten by a mediocre team.
 
Any way you slice it - got to accept that Ind are chokers in the recent icc events. Only way to get out of it - is to take the bull by the horn address the issue head on , embrace it snd get iver the line. A good start is wc 2024- but i dont think it even qualifies as a choke as Ind is nowhere near a good t20 wc winning team. Reaching the sf will be a big achievement..
 
India is trying hard to earn this title for them and they have been succeeding at it for some time now. SOuth Africa is left way behind in this race.
 
India is one step ahead of chokers compared to South Africa because they get stuck in semifinals while India becomes bunny of Australia in Finals.
 
The chokers are back of their default setting. This entire series has been one giant choke. Embarrassing to watch.
 
This is epic stuff from @Mamoon! I feel he is doing this on purpose; playing the fiddle of the court jester to entertain us all! He can’t be so naive to begin celebrating before the game is over!
 
Cricket Warrior said:
India is one step ahead of chokers compared to South Africa because they get stuck in semifinals while India becomes bunny of Australia in Finals.
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India has defeated Aus in plenty of KOs - 2007 semi, 2011 qf, 2025 semi.

Pakistan is the team that loses everytime lol - 87, 99, 10, 15, 21 etc
 
Nay. India is doing great TBH... They won 2 ICC events in last couple of years. Their test record needs to be better but they are not chokers like south africa is
 
BouncerGuy said:
But they have not won WTC still... They choked there.
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WTC started in 2021 and has only had 3 editions. Ponting, Kallis, Sachin etc have never won WTC in spite of having test maces.

India would have won in 2017 and 2019 when they were at a peak. Will win one in the near future.
 
BouncerGuy said:
But they have not won WTC still... They choked there.
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That way you can label every defeat of India a choke. Nobody in their senses would expect any team bar Australia to win every series they play.​
 
Whitewash against a B New Zealand side can never wash the stain on India now

a B New Zealand side, again a B New Zealand side whitewashed India in India 3-0
 
BouncerGuy said:
India dominated WTC cycle but they lost the final because it was not at home. So now what?
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So you yourself admit it was conditions and not choking. If those finals had been in india, india would have won, so how is that choking?

Also there is a difference between 1 off matches and dominating series. India are poor starters. Even in the series they dominated, they often lost the first match.
 
mominsaigol said:
South Africa? Sri Lanka?
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South Africa, really? Lmao. In t20s? We have never lost to Australia in a t20 final.

And sri Lanka was way back in 1996 on a turning track. They have been thrashed in a final after that

Nice try though.
 
Sachin fan said:
South Africa, really? Lmao. In t20s? We have never lost to Australia in a t20 final.

And sri Lanka was way back in 1996 on a turning track. They have been thrashed in a final after that

Nice try though.
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Stop changing the goalposts over and over.

First off SA beat them in wtc final, Sri Lanka beat them in 1996 and India has never faced AU in a t20 final.

You claimed and I quote Who isn't an Australian bunny in the final

I gave you 2 teams. Be careful with your words next time.
 
Rafale Nidhal said:
Whitewash against a B New Zealand side can never wash the stain on India now

a B New Zealand side, again a B New Zealand side whitewashed India in India 3-0
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Bangladesh, again Bangladesh whitewashed Pak in Pak 2-0.

And a B NZ team, again a B NZ team also defeated Pak in UAE 2-1 in 2018.

And ofc Bazball England also whitewashed Pak in Pak 3-0.
 
Are Pakistanis the new chokers? After all their uncles even after getting a forefiet and coming up against the ultimate chokers of SA in the finals, still couldn't cross the line...

The Pakistani choking uncles handed ABDV probably first trophy of his career :abdv
 
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nish_mate said:
Are Pakistanis the new chokers? After all their uncles even after getting a forefiet and coming up against the ultimate chokers of SA in the finals, still couldn't cross the line...

The Pakistani choking uncles handed ABDV probably first trophy of his career :abdv
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You have to be good to be chokers.

A team which loses to Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, USA is a minnow, not a choker.
 
saimayubera said:
You have to be good to be chokers.

A team which loses to Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, USA is a minnow, not a choker.
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i am talking about retired Uncles of Pakistan, not the present youngsta Pakistani players :babar
 
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Both India and Pakistan choke.

India choked in the WC final against Australia. Although they took their revenge in 2 ICC tournaments after that by knocking out Australia twice in the semis the WC final was still a choke and will hurt for a long time.

Pakistan choked twice against USA in the T20 WC. Different situation but Amir, Shaheen, Rauf all Pak super stars and premier bowlers couldn’t defend a total, twice. That was a legit choke no matter how many people say that US was the better side in those conditions.
 
BreadPakoda said:
Both India and Pakistan choke.

India choked in the WC final against Australia. Although they took their revenge in 2 ICC tournaments after that by knocking out Australia twice in the semis the WC final was still a choke and will hurt for a long time.

Pakistan choked twice against USA in the T20 WC. Different situation but Amir, Shaheen, Rauf all Pak super stars and premier bowlers couldn’t defend a total, twice. That was a legit choke no matter how many people say that US was the better side in those conditions.
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Losing a final is not a choke..you were outplayed on that day..that's simple. Like 9 out of 10 times India will beat Pakistan but we lost the 2017 CT and the Dubai toss match..does not make it a choke...it's an upset but the better team won..same as in 2023 wc.

Choke is when you lose from winning position s like the t20 wc south African loss or the oval test English loss. Yes India failed to win knockouts after 2013 but honestly we were mostly outplayed in those matches...
 
straighttalk said:
Losing a final is not a choke..you were outplayed on that day..that's simple. Like 9 out of 10 times India will beat Pakistan but we lost the 2017 CT and the Dubai toss match..does not make it a choke...it's an upset but the better team won..same as in 2023 wc.

Choke is when you lose from winning position s like the t20 wc south African loss or the oval test English loss. Yes India failed to win knockouts after 2013 but honestly we were mostly outplayed in those matches...
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That’s a fair point, going strictly by the definition.
 
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