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Is it fair to say this is Pakistan's deepest batting line up in history?

GLORY OF '92

GLORY OF '92

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I mean Shaheen, Hasan, Rauf all 3 are can bat or hit at the least. Definitely can't remember our batting being this deep since 1999 at least.
 
Definitely very deep batting line up. Even statistically pak tail has the best strike rate recently among all countries. This should allow to order to express themselves. Especially on flat surfaces this will be handy in case of a collapse. Other day Starc stuck around
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
I mean Shaheen, Hasan, Rauf all 3 are can bat or hit at the least. Definitely can't remember our batting being this deep since 1999 at least.
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Ya bro you r right i know hassan hasnt been in form with bat but on his day he can smash any bowler so can shaheen and rauf shaheen i have seen him taking bowlers apart when he is on his groove.
 
Yes. Teams in 90s had better quality lower order bats, but here just about anyone can hit a six. Great depth
 
no, depth of batting only really counts for performances under pressure. when you are winning most tailenders can biff a quick 10 or 15 runs and add a cherry to the cake.

paks wc99 team had a 7, 8 and 9 of wasim, moin and azhar Mahmood, compared to shadab, nawaz and hassan ali, id say the first group had greater batting prowess and were more dynamic in the context of the cricket that was played in that era.

so whilst shadab, nawaz and hassan ali might be argued to be better odi batsmen overall, contextually i believe they have added lesser value in this era, than the three i mentioned, did about 25 years ago.
 
Certainly the deepest I have seen since watching pakistan cricket from around 2010.

Only period that would rival it in mu years of viewing would be when Gul and Ajmal played together. Gul could hit a long ball, and I remember he saved our skins against south africa in one of the T20 world cups.
Ajmal wasn't a strokemaker but could hold up and end decently, I remember his last partnership wicket partnership with Tanvir Ahmed when we were in trouble against the windies in a test match
 
Having a deep batting lineup alone is not enough you need to have a specific balance.

When your top five batsmen are underperforming so ur tail wont do anything extra ordinary.
 
Our 2011 XI vs India

Kamran Akmal
Mohammad Hafeez
Asad Shafiq
Younis Khan
Misbah ul Haq
Umar Akmal
Abdul Razzaq
Shahid Afridi
Wahab Riaz
Umar Gul
Saeed Ajmal

Apart for Ajmal, everyone could bat. We had Afridi and Razzaq coming in at 7 and 8. Now, we have Shadab and Nawaz at 7 and 8.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Our 2011 XI vs India

Kamran Akmal
Mohammad Hafeez
Asad Shafiq
Younis Khan
Misbah ul Haq
Umar Akmal
Abdul Razzaq
Shahid Afridi
Wahab Riaz
Umar Gul
Saeed Ajmal

Apart for Ajmal, everyone could bat. We had Afridi and Razzaq coming in at 7 and 8. Now, we have Shadab and Nawaz at 7 and 8.
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This top 6 is far superior though
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
I mean Shaheen, Hasan, Rauf all 3 are can bat or hit at the least. Definitely can't remember our batting being this deep since 1999 at least.
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How os this batting lineup deep? All this pseudo allrounder nonsense scam lol.

The tail starts from shadab lol at no 7.

The deepest batting like up we ever had was when we use to bat till 8 with razzaq and afridi occupying 7 and 8.

Afridi is a hack and razzaq was average minus a few gem knocks, but they were still lower order batsmen. Afridi and razzq have played innings that sheddy and nawaz can't ever play, literally are incapable of playing lol.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Our 2011 XI vs India

Kamran Akmal
Mohammad Hafeez
Asad Shafiq
Younis Khan
Misbah ul Haq
Umar Akmal
Abdul Razzaq
Shahid Afridi
Wahab Riaz
Umar Gul
Saeed Ajmal

Apart for Ajmal, everyone could bat. We had Afridi and Razzaq coming in at 7 and 8. Now, we have Shadab and Nawaz at 7 and 8.
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There's like two tail ender quality ODI batsmen coming in at #3 & 4.

It's a deep batting lineup for sure and we've seen Shadab & Nawaz come into the rescue in T20's quite often. Less so in ODI's but I reckon that's due to Pakistan top 3 being very strong for a long time and having minimal opportunities lower down the order. Shadab in particular had that great vs with the bat vs Afghanistan and his highest score of 86 came when Pakistan were collapsing vs WI and Shadab's innings kept the series to a whitewash.

It's just too bad there's not more ODI opportunities where you can experiment with Shadab at 6, Nawaz at 7 and go with a specialist spinner or another pacer depending on conditions so that way, Shadab & Nawaz aren't forced into a position of being expected to be specialist spinners & wicket takers when they are not. On their day, they can but they are nowhere near Saqlain/Ajmal etc role.
 
Saeed Anwar, Saleem Malik, Inzimam Ul Haq, Mohammad Yousaf, Shoaib Malik, Abdul Razaq and Shahid Afridi

I guess this is the deepest batting line up for Pakistan so far
 
PakFan2010 said:
I can see this thread being bumped tomorrow.
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We are our own worst enemies sometimes.

After #6, we have Shadab Nawaz Shaheen Hassan Rauf. Those are not all-rounders, they're glorified tail-enders that can maybe string a few sixes together. That's not what having a deep batting lineup is not about, especially in ODIs.

Meanwhile a team like NZ have Chapman and Santner coming in after #6 - #7 has 2 ODI tons and #8 has 3 ODI fifties and a Test ton. That's depth.
 
The 1999 squad had the deepest batting by far!

1. Saeed Anwar
2. Wasti
3. Razzaq
4. Ijaz Ahmed
5. Inzy
6. Moin Khan
7. Afridi
8. Azhar Mahmood
9. Wasim Akram
10. Shoib Akhtar
11. Saqlain Mushtaq

Barring # 10 & 11, the rest of the squad were capable of hitting a half century & finishing the game comfortably.
 
160KPH said:
All I’ll say is that I can’t imagine any other Pakistani team in history chasing 340+ in a WC.
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We won by 6 wickets, what's that got to do with depth? It's more about quality.
 
Firebat said:
We won by 6 wickets, what's that got to do with depth? It's more about quality.
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I think depth is part of the reason that the middle order batsmen was able to play freely. They knew Shadab, Iftikhar, and Nawaz were to come and also thqt Hasan Ali and Shaheen can give it a good smack too.
 
160KPH said:
I think depth is part of the reason that the middle order batsmen was able to play freely. They knew Shadab, Iftikhar, and Nawaz were to come and also thqt Hasan Ali and Shaheen can give it a good smack too.
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They played freely because they had to, we were chasing 340.

In fact they were playing conservatively for half the innings when other teams with deeper batting might have been going harder earlier. We were 141/2 after 26 overs, batting at 5.42 per over when the required rate was 8.5.
 
Depth of batting can do nothing when u have have half cracker specialist bowlers in the middle.
 
160KPH said:
All I’ll say is that I can’t imagine any other Pakistani team in history chasing 340+ in a WC.
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Almost in 2004 when chasing 340 was a much bigger deal

Edit - ok wasn’t a World Cup but regardless we very rarely conceded 340 to be able to chase it
 
I believe so but not as good as what it was in late 90s to early 2000 era.


Hasan cam add 15 runs
Shaheen around 12-15 runs
Rauf 10 15 runs

Around 45 50 runs extra max


But they can also leak that many runs. So it evens out.
 
160KPH said:
All I’ll say is that I can’t imagine any other Pakistani team in history chasing 340+ in a WC.
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Exactly... People forget even until quite recently (before Sarfaraz/Babar era) any target over 280 and we would be like lag gayi bhai.


But the way boys chased HIGHEST EVER WC RUN CHASE as if it was a walk in the park, inspires alot of confidence.
 
it’s a strong team. In Pakistan history? I don’t know, not because the players aren’t good, but because you consistently need to face top teams - presently England, India, Australia, SA, NZ - at full strength to be able to judge. I’m not sure if that’s the case here. We may find out by the end of this WC

Even so chasing 340 was special.
 
Justcrazy said:
1987 WC team was pretty deep also with Qadir coming in at 10 .
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Yes, I was about to say that. Qadir even hit 10 runs (6,2,2) on last three balls of one of those WC87 ODIs against WI to win the game. That was an amazing batting line up with Imran Khan, Salim Yousuf, Wasim Akram, Abdul Qadir at 6,7,8,9 and each of one could hit a flurry of boundaries. I think Manzoor Elahi also batted in that late middle order somewhere, and he was a power hitter born three decades early.
 
We need this when your top order consistently fails to do anything useful
 
For this era, it's not that impressive. Because teams like ENG have similar depth .

But a lower order of Moin , Azhar, Wasim was much impressive because the death overs hitting they did was far ahead of its time with only the Saffers giving some competition .
 
Moin Khan was coming in at no. 9 in the final of the 1992 World Cup. This is definitely not even close to the deepest
 
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Win or lose, this Pakistani batting line up has amazing depth.

They bat as deep as #9
 
Deepest lineup my foot. Tail literally starts at 7.

Sheddy and nawaz aren't batsmen, their medicore bowlers who have this dosti yaari and pseudo allrounder facade because without the excuse rhey add batting depth, their bowling wouldn't be good enough for the team.

All those posters who kept saying nawaz is better then imad, lol nice joke.

Reason I advocated for imad > Nawaz wasn't the whole stats thing. Imad is a genuine allrounder, he is medicore but he's a genuine allrounder.

Nawaz is a bowler only and a very medicore one and a defensive non wicket taking one unlike imad who is attacking

I'd rather have a medicore attacking allrounder who can come good on a few days then a medicore bowler who will never come good with the bat and with the ball if he comes good is defensive and won't achieve much beyond economy.
 
mominsaigol said:
Deepest lineup my foot. Tail literally starts at 7.

Sheddy and nawaz aren't batsmen, their medicore bowlers who have this dosti yaari and pseudo allrounder facade because without the excuse rhey add batting depth, their bowling wouldn't be good enough for the team.

All those posters who kept saying nawaz is better then imad, lol nice joke.

Reason I advocated for imad > Nawaz wasn't the whole stats thing. Imad is a genuine allrounder, he is medicore but he's a genuine allrounder.

Nawaz is a bowler only and a very medicore one and a defensive non wicket taking one unlike imad who is attacking

I'd rather have a medicore attacking allrounder who can come good on a few days then a medicore bowler who will never come good with the bat and with the ball if he comes good is defensive and won't achieve much beyond economy.
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This Imad drama is stupid. Did you see 2019 WC match against India. What did Imad do. He got smashed by Hardik for 3 sixes I think in penultimate over.
 
Gullycricket said:
This Imad drama is stupid. Did you see 2019 WC match against India. What did Imad do. He got smashed by Hardik for 3 sixes I think in penultimate over.
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Imad is a genuine allrounder but a medicore one. I don't want imad in the team, as I said he's medicore but if nawaz is being selected then rather have imad.

It's easy, one is a medicore allrounder, the other is a parchi. A very clear parchi
 
NA said:
Yes, I was about to say that. Qadir even hit 10 runs (6,2,2) on last three balls of one of those WC87 ODIs against WI to win the game. That was an amazing batting line up with Imran Khan, Salim Yousuf, Wasim Akram, Abdul Qadir at 6,7,8,9 and each of one could hit a flurry of boundaries. I think Manzoor Elahi also batted in that late middle order somewhere, and he was a power hitter born three decades early.
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Pakistan was strongest team in that WC .
 
mominsaigol said:
Deepest lineup my foot. Tail literally starts at 7.

Sheddy and nawaz aren't batsmen, their medicore bowlers who have this dosti yaari and pseudo allrounder facade because without the excuse rhey add batting depth, their bowling wouldn't be good enough for the team.

All those posters who kept saying nawaz is better then imad, lol nice joke.

Reason I advocated for imad > Nawaz wasn't the whole stats thing. Imad is a genuine allrounder, he is medicore but he's a genuine allrounder.

Nawaz is a bowler only and a very medicore one and a defensive non wicket taking one unlike imad who is attacking

I'd rather have a medicore attacking allrounder who can come good on a few days then a medicore bowler who will never come good with the bat and with the ball if he comes good is defensive and won't achieve much beyond economy.
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Imad has not played long time 50 overs games , you need to keep playing List A , to get into selection mix. Yes , Imad is like a proper batsman , his mentality is that of a batsman. With ball also he could give 5 - 7 overs easily.
 
Nah... even before today this is a super long tail. They've all had a good day once upon a time but to make that the basis of qualifying for our line up is laughable beyond 4 we are in deep dog-dollop and today's scorecard proved it.

I'd say Ifti is alright. Saud is unconvincing. The rest are rabbits.
 
Justcrazy said:
Imad has not played long time 50 overs games , you need to keep playing List A , to get into selection mix. Yes , Imad is like a proper batsman , his mentality is that of a batsman. With ball also he could give 5 - 7 overs easily.
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That's a lie and you know it lol.

Abdullah has 7 list A games lol, what experience does he have?

Even saud, saud is good but he isn't selected because the management thought he's the best test bat for Pakistan which he is, he's selected cause mickey likes him.

Imam= Selected cause inzi
Abdullah = Selected cause Babar has a love affair with his technique
Rizzu= Golden boy( Yes he deserves to be innthe team but even if he was trash, he'd still be in cause golden boy)
Shadab= Golden boy
Nawaz= Babar's 2nd favourite
Chacha= Misbah favours but currently on merit post misbah
Fakhar= PCB desperate for a miracle post pur of form cause he's the only one capable of 180+
Agha= Babar's buddy
Shaheen= Originally on merit, Currently Golden boy
Hasan ali= Babar's twitter follower
Rauf= Merit
Usama = Merit
Abrar= Merit
Zaman = Merit
Saud= orginally merit, Currently Mickey's favourite and buddy culture
Waseem Jr= No clue, he's trash but idk why
Haris= Merit + Backup keeper, he's a hack but he's the best to replace in case rizzu is injured since azam Khan is useless.

Imad isn't selected because he and Amir are not on babar's good side lol.

Granted imad doesn't deserve to be in the team, imad isn't great wither, but if nawaz is getting a free ride then imad not being in is infuriating
 
This is one of our weakest batting line ups never mind deepest. I have no faith in Iftikhar and Saud, after the openers and Babar/rizwan are out I don’t expect the rest to do anything. Shadab/nawaz can get you 20-30 on a good day, both are expected to fall cheaply most of the time. They also can’t bowl spin properly either. 2 wasted selections, can’t win the game with the bat or the ball.
 
Nawaz is our number 8 batsman who has a list A average of 28 that is not bad. Having said that, he played a terrible shot like most of our lower order and we end up losing our last 8 wickets for only 36 runs.
 
mominsaigol said:
That's a lie and you know it lol.

Abdullah has 7 list A games lol, what experience does he have?

Even saud, saud is good but he isn't selected because the management thought he's the best test bat for Pakistan which he is, he's selected cause mickey likes him.

Imam= Selected cause inzi
Abdullah = Selected cause Babar has a love affair with his technique
Rizzu= Golden boy( Yes he deserves to be innthe team but even if he was trash, he'd still be in cause golden boy)
Shadab= Golden boy
Nawaz= Babar's 2nd favourite
Chacha= Misbah favours but currently on merit post misbah
Fakhar= PCB desperate for a miracle post pur of form cause he's the only one capable of 180+
Agha= Babar's buddy
Shaheen= Originally on merit, Currently Golden boy
Hasan ali= Babar's twitter follower
Rauf= Merit
Usama = Merit
Abrar= Merit
Zaman = Merit
Saud= orginally merit, Currently Mickey's favourite and buddy culture
Waseem Jr= No clue, he's trash but idk why
Haris= Merit + Backup keeper, he's a hack but he's the best to replace in case rizzu is injured since azam Khan is useless.

Imad isn't selected because he and Amir are not on babar's good side lol.

Granted imad doesn't deserve to be in the team, imad isn't great wither, but if nawaz is getting a free ride then imad not being in is infuriating
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The main issue is that Pakistan is far behind top tier teams in skills and game awareness. Unless you change the mindset nothing can happen. There needs to be proper planning and identifying the right players . Also , it has to be semi long term plan , you have to give time.

The issue with Pakistan cricket is that they refuse to change . They simply are far behind.
 
This T20 style deep batting line up is clearly not working for them. Idea is to probably replicate the T20 style usage of Shadab/Nawaz in ODI. In T20 you bowl 2 spells. That's it. You can easily get away with defensive bowling. In ODi extrapolating those 4 overs to 10 overs means they have to bowl longer spells with more accuracy. It exposes their real quality. Since they are used to bowling defensively in T20 they do the same here. They don't manage wickets. Most importantly they don't pose any threat of taking wickets. So their bowling is very closer to part time bowling of Glen Philips, Maxwell, Markram. But their batting is not closer to their batting level.
 
The batting is so deep that Pakistan may play two games in one day with this depth . If the dept of this team could be physically measured , it would reach mariana trench twice,
 
Deep as in the depths of sorrow that it is putting Pakistani fans in?
 
Yeah the water is really shallow. You can see the bottom of the pool (innings) at a glance. It’s sad to see, guys who can barely get bat on ball, plays and misses by these bits and pieces guys who are called all rounders. We have the worst set of all rounders from the top teams in international cricket.
 
It's one-dimensional, too many players who can score at a run a ball, score 30s and 40s and 50s.

Do we have a player who can smash a 20 or 25 ball 50 if needed - no!

Do we have a player who can blast a 70 ball hundred - no!
 
Saj said:
It's one-dimensional, too many players who can score at a run a ball, score 30s and 40s and 50s.

Do we have a player who can smash a 20 or 25 ball 50 if needed - no!

Do we have a player who can blast a 70 ball hundred - no!
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Saj we all know this and have known this. As someone who has contacts within Pk cricketing setup, could you enlighten us about why the think-tank, Babar and coaching staff, cannot see this?
 
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