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Jadeja has easily outbowled Ashwin in this series.

His career stats indicate that he struggles to assert the same impact in ODI that he has in Tests.

Is he simply being picked in the ODI side on reputation?

Does India have better options than Ashwin for ODIs?
 
He is good but not great like he is in the longer format. He is neither poor nor great in LOIs.

Don't think he is the outright best spin bowler in the Indian team. He isn't good at darting effectively (which you need to do on flat tracks in ODIs) and his loopy deliveries just sit up to get hit sometimes. Still picks up wickets even though he can be a bit expensive. Have seen Jaddu outperforming him quite a few times though.

Still think Kuldeep has the best potential in LOIs. Very clever bowler.
 
He is not average by any stretch, one series doesn't decide your calibre. Also, Jadeja out bowling him tells more about jadeja than Ashwin. When in rhythm, Ashwin is worst nightmare for batsman.
 
He can be super effective on slow wickets where he can use all his variations. Problem is that we always play ODIs in India on belters with small boundaries where 330-350 is the norm. On such wickets, he can be a liability as his loopy deliveries can be belted through cow corner. He is not good at bowling defensive lines and ends up bowling a lot of legside rubbish when he tries to bowl defensively to stop the flow of runs.

He just needs to learn to dart better as that is a skill in itself on flat tracks.
 
Has caught on the darting bug in loi recently.

Whenever he flighted, he did well.

When he darted, results are mixed.

Once he gets his head straight, he will be india's best odi bowler along with shami.

Jaddu is a much better odi bowler than him now though.

Kuldeep needs to be brought in to create some major competition.
 
Comparing him to Jadeja in ODIs is silly.

Jadeja is one of the top 2 spinners in the shorter format, it doesn't mean Ashwin is bad.
 
Where does Jadeja rank as an all format player in modern cricket?

Behind Kohli for India, and maybe Root, Starc, Warner globally?
 
^Nah. Jaddu is a poor t20 bowler in general.

He showed improvement in Aus T20 series.
 
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Has caught on the darting bug in loi recently.

Whenever he flighted, he did well.

When he darted, results are mixed.

Once he gets his head straight, he will be india's best odi bowler along with shami.

Jaddu is a much better odi bowler than him now though.

Kuldeep needs to be brought in to create some major competition.

Basically This.

He may go for a few runs, but he needs to flight it.

Last match, he bowled slower through the air and got wickets. Hes back to bowling darts here again,
 
He needs to be used as a wicket taking bowler and not as run choker like Dhoni did.
 
Basically This.

He may go for a few runs, but he needs to flight it.

Last match, he bowled slower through the air and got wickets. Hes back to bowling darts here again,

When he flighted today, Roy edged it due to drift, Buttler almost got caught in the deep but nooo... darting is the way to go.

His intelligence is terribly over rated imho.

He is smart but he over thinks everything and gets owned.

Remember the pauses in his bowling that almost always resulted in sixes? :)))

His darting seems to have improved though. Needs a bit more accuracy. Lol.
 
We won 2013 Champions Trophy on the back of his performance. Yes, certainly, he's an average bowler.
 
Ridiculous post, he is the best limited overs spinner by a fair margin.
 
He has been bowling on turners in Tests recently , that is the reason of his such hauls , in OD he is on flat pitches.
 
No.He is being used to choke runs.He should be used to attack and take wickets.

I don't think it would be right to blame Kohli or Dhoni here when Ashwin himself went around the wicket to start off the 2nd game and said in the post match that he did it cos he was comfortable.

Baffling tactics by him.

Why would you dart when you got results flighting it the previous match? If flight doesn't work, then switching to darting makes sense.

He is the main culprit I think.
 
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I don't think it would be right to blame Kohli or Dhoni here when Ashwin himself went around the wicket to start off the 2nd game and said in the post match that he did it cos he was comfortable.

Baffling tactics by him.

Why would you dart when you got results flighting it the previous match? If flight doesn't work, then switching to darting makes sense.

He is the main culprit I think.
I get a feeling that he tries new things in less important matches.This odi series is comparatively less important so might be trying and testing something. Just a guess. Or maybe he is poor.
 
Yes, he always has been pretty average in ODIs. Averages what? 33-34? The pitches in ODIs are almost never turners and Ashwin finds it hard to bowl whenever that is the case. Put in all the other restrictions that ODI cricket imposes and Ashwin has been seriously limited.

Ridiculous post, he is the best limited overs spinner by a fair margin.

Lolwut? Imran Tahir is miles ahead of Ashwin.
 
At the same level as Harbhajan..So he is a good to decent odi bowler.
 
Yes, he always has been pretty average in ODIs. Averages what? 33-34? The pitches in ODIs are almost never turners and Ashwin finds it hard to bowl whenever that is the case. Put in all the other restrictions that ODI cricket imposes and Ashwin has been seriously limited.



Lolwut? Imran Tahir is miles ahead of Ashwin.

Tahir is a very good bowler no doubt but ashwin clinches it in crucial stages of the game.
 
For the kind of ODI pitches Ashwin plays on, his record is actually very good.
 
I get a feeling that he tries new things in less important matches.This odi series is comparatively less important so might be trying and testing something. Just a guess. Or maybe he is poor.

Absolutely. He does that and sometimes overdoes it and pays the price.

Remember when he had developed a good seam up delivery where he would get appreciable outswing with the new ball. Tried that in World T20 2016 unnecessary just cos he opened the bowling..pitched it up full and gave 2 sixes in the opener.

Ashwin is not an average ODI bowler in my opinion. He is not great but not average either.

How many ODI spinners have been able to keep their spots in their teams?

SL - No one.
Pak - No one. Ajmal, Hafeez don't count.
Bangladesh - Shakib Al Hasan. Good spinner.
SA - Tahir. Easily better than Ash.
Eng - No one. Moeen is new and does a good role for Eng but is not a proper spinner. Averaged 47 in ODIs. Tredwell was good but dunno why they discarded him.
Aus - No one. Zampa is the new kid on the block.
NZ - No one. Santner is coming up. Vettori played here and there and he is a good spinner.
WI - No one. Narine doesn't count. Badree hasn't played ODIs.
India - Jaddu. Good spinner.

So as you can see, the ONLY spinners who were able to stand the onslaught and stay in their team were:

Tahir, Ashwin, Jaddu, Shakib

Tahir is the best spinner while Ash is the most clutch.

The reason why Ash is perceived to be an average bowler is because his ODI career has been a part of various phases where he has ranged from being very good to horrendous. And statistically he ain't all that good.

When he came on to the scene, Ashwin was an amazing LOI wicket taking bowlers. No matter whether it was domestic games or IPL or ODIs, Ashwin would pick crucial wickets. Its not a surprise that till WC 2011, he averaged 23 (no minnows) and he was the top 3 bowlers in IPL 2010, CT 2010 in SA (Man of series) and IPL 2011. He was dropped in WC 2011 after 2 stellar games against WI and Aus so he missed out on the WC 2011 glory (honestly he would have finished off Pak and SL in SF and Finals with the form he was in).

Even when he toured England in 2011 and India were losing games, he averaged 25. Things were fine till end of 2011 but then things started changing.

Ashwin's wicket taking ability dropped (barring the odd games).

Maybe he took his place for granted.

Whatever the reason, he looked uninspiring when bowling but was kept in the team cos he was still reliable cos he won't lose it mentally and leak too many runs.

Then you had periods of ups and downs before he finally turned it around in WC 2015. Post that period, he has been stellar whenever he bowled in ODIs. Wickets, control everything was there. Flight, drift and dip.

Then came the Aus tour where he had 2 average outings in high scoring games (went at 6 rpo) and was dropped. Then the Eng series now where he obviously is trying stuff (overdoing it I may add) and that's why there is this perception that he was never good and should be dropped.

Reality is Ashwin is a good ODI bowler who has been all over the place in his career. The very fact that he is probably the only offie in the world who is able to hold an ODI, T20 and club T20 spot and plays a crucial role for his side with the ball is a testament to how good he really is. Its just that everything is against the off spinner in modern LOI so its hard and he is working to find out a way out of it.

But with the way he has transformed in WC 2015, he has got back his wicket taking ability but he still doesn't quite have crucial ODI weapons that someone like Tahir has . He doesn't quite have a reliable away going delivery (to right handers) which he is aware and that's why he is trying super hard to develop leggies (he sucks in that) and is now trying to dart the straighter one (he is actually getting good with that but needs better accuracy).

He just needs to figure out a way to beat the outside edge. Don't think the straight darts will be enough. Carrom balls are one option but they aren't that accurate. He will figure something out imho. He is still good without them if he mixes up his flight and darts properly but once he gets a workable away going delivery, there will be a heaven and earth difference in his output cos he is someone who really knows how to use what he has. Right now, he doesn't quite have a reliable weapon.

So I am interested to see how he goes in IPL.

Personally I believe Ash will correct his records in ODI in due course of time.

But for now, we need to bring in another wicket taking spinner (Kuldeep) and keep him as backup in case Ashwin fails in any of the main ODI games. Not only does it safeguard our team's chances but that's the fastest way to get Ash to develop. Attack his ego and then watch him respond to it.
 
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Absolutely. He does that and sometimes overdoes it and pays the price.

Remember when he had developed a good seam up delivery where he would get appreciable outswing with the new ball. Tried that in World T20 2016 unnecessary just cos he opened the bowling..pitched it up full and gave 2 sixes in the opener.

Ashwin is not an average ODI bowler in my opinion. He is not great but not average either.

How many ODI spinners have been able to keep their spots in their teams?

SL - No one.
Pak - No one. Ajmal, Hafeez don't count.
Bangladesh - Shakib Al Hasan. Good spinner.
SA - Tahir. Easily better than Ash.
Eng - No one. Moeen is new and does a good role for Eng but is not a proper spinner. Averaged 47 in ODIs. Tredwell was good but dunno why they discarded him.
Aus - No one. Zampa is the new kid on the block.
NZ - No one. Santner is coming up. Vettori played here and there and he is a good spinner.
WI - No one. Narine doesn't count. Badree hasn't played ODIs.
India - Jaddu. Good spinner.

So as you can see, the ONLY spinners who were able to stand the onslaught and stay in their team were:

Tahir, Ashwin, Jaddu, Shakib

Tahir is the best spinner while Ash is the most clutch.

The reason why Ash is perceived to be an average bowler is because his ODI career has been a part of various phases where he has ranged from being very good to horrendous. And statistically he ain't all that good.

When he came on to the scene, Ashwin was an amazing LOI wicket taking bowlers. No matter whether it was domestic games or IPL or ODIs, Ashwin would pick crucial wickets. Its not a surprise that till WC 2011, he averaged 23 (no minnows) and he was the top 3 bowlers in IPL 2010, CT 2010 in SA (Man of series) and IPL 2011. He was dropped in WC 2011 after 2 stellar games against WI and Aus so he missed out on the WC 2011 glory (honestly he would have finished off Pak and SL in SF and Finals with the form he was in).

Even when he toured England in 2011 and India were losing games, he averaged 25. Things were fine till end of 2011 but then things started changing.

Ashwin's wicket taking ability dropped (barring the odd games).

Maybe he took his place for granted.

Whatever the reason, he looked uninspiring when bowling but was kept in the team cos he was still reliable cos he won't lose it mentally and leak too many runs.

Then you had periods of ups and downs before he finally turned it around in WC 2015. Post that period, he has been stellar whenever he bowled in ODIs. Wickets, control everything was there. Flight, drift and dip.

Then came the Aus tour where he had 2 average outings in high scoring games (went at 6 rpo) and was dropped. Then the Eng series now where he obviously is trying stuff (overdoing it I may add) and that's why there is this perception that he was never good and should be dropped.

Reality is Ashwin is a good ODI bowler who has been all over the place in his career. The very fact that he is probably the only offie in the world who is able to hold an ODI, T20 and club T20 spot and plays a crucial role for his side with the ball is a testament to how good he really is. Its just that everything is against the off spinner in modern LOI so its hard and he is working to find out a way out of it.

But with the way he has transformed in WC 2015, he has got back his wicket taking ability but he still doesn't quite have crucial ODI weapons that someone like Tahir has . He doesn't quite have a reliable away going delivery (to right handers) which he is aware and that's why he is trying super hard to develop leggies (he sucks in that) and is now trying to dart the straighter one (he is actually getting good with that but needs better accuracy).

He just needs to figure out a way to beat the outside edge. Don't think the straight darts will be enough. Carrom balls are one option but they aren't that accurate. He will figure something out imho. He is still good without them if he mixes up his flight and darts properly but once he gets a workable away going delivery, there will be a heaven and earth difference in his output cos he is someone who really knows how to use what he has. Right now, he doesn't quite have a reliable weapon.

So I am interested to see how he goes in IPL.

Personally I believe Ash will correct his records in ODI in due course of time.

But for now, we need to bring in another wicket taking spinner (Kuldeep) and keep him as backup in case Ashwin fails in any of the main ODI games. Not only does it safeguard our team's chances but that's the fastest way to get Ash to develop. Attack his ego and then watch him respond to it.

Great analysis of Ash macha !:14:

I also read at a few places that the new Ashwin takes a bit of time to get to rythm and work out batsmen, like he always does in tests. Maybe the slam-bang nature of recent ODI's no longer give him that leeway like we've had pre-2011.
I don't mind Ash's decline in ODI's (spinner are getting way less effective with present rules anyway ), AS LONG AS HIS TEST GAME STAYS ON TOP ..
 
Absolutely. He does that and sometimes overdoes it and pays the price.

Remember when he had developed a good seam up delivery where he would get appreciable outswing with the new ball. Tried that in World T20 2016 unnecessary just cos he opened the bowling..pitched it up full and gave 2 sixes in the opener.

Ashwin is not an average ODI bowler in my opinion. He is not great but not average either.

How many ODI spinners have been able to keep their spots in their teams?

SL - No one.
Pak - No one. Ajmal, Hafeez don't count.
Bangladesh - Shakib Al Hasan. Good spinner.
SA - Tahir. Easily better than Ash.
Eng - No one. Moeen is new and does a good role for Eng but is not a proper spinner. Averaged 47 in ODIs. Tredwell was good but dunno why they discarded him.
Aus - No one. Zampa is the new kid on the block.
NZ - No one. Santner is coming up. Vettori played here and there and he is a good spinner.
WI - No one. Narine doesn't count. Badree hasn't played ODIs.
India - Jaddu. Good spinner.

So as you can see, the ONLY spinners who were able to stand the onslaught and stay in their team were:

Tahir, Ashwin, Jaddu, Shakib

Tahir is the best spinner while Ash is the most clutch.

The reason why Ash is perceived to be an average bowler is because his ODI career has been a part of various phases where he has ranged from being very good to horrendous. And statistically he ain't all that good.

When he came on to the scene, Ashwin was an amazing LOI wicket taking bowlers. No matter whether it was domestic games or IPL or ODIs, Ashwin would pick crucial wickets. Its not a surprise that till WC 2011, he averaged 23 (no minnows) and he was the top 3 bowlers in IPL 2010, CT 2010 in SA (Man of series) and IPL 2011. He was dropped in WC 2011 after 2 stellar games against WI and Aus so he missed out on the WC 2011 glory (honestly he would have finished off Pak and SL in SF and Finals with the form he was in).

Even when he toured England in 2011 and India were losing games, he averaged 25. Things were fine till end of 2011 but then things started changing.

Ashwin's wicket taking ability dropped (barring the odd games).

Maybe he took his place for granted.

Whatever the reason, he looked uninspiring when bowling but was kept in the team cos he was still reliable cos he won't lose it mentally and leak too many runs.

Then you had periods of ups and downs before he finally turned it around in WC 2015. Post that period, he has been stellar whenever he bowled in ODIs. Wickets, control everything was there. Flight, drift and dip.

Then came the Aus tour where he had 2 average outings in high scoring games (went at 6 rpo) and was dropped. Then the Eng series now where he obviously is trying stuff (overdoing it I may add) and that's why there is this perception that he was never good and should be dropped.

Reality is Ashwin is a good ODI bowler who has been all over the place in his career. The very fact that he is probably the only offie in the world who is able to hold an ODI, T20 and club T20 spot and plays a crucial role for his side with the ball is a testament to how good he really is. Its just that everything is against the off spinner in modern LOI so its hard and he is working to find out a way out of it.

But with the way he has transformed in WC 2015, he has got back his wicket taking ability but he still doesn't quite have crucial ODI weapons that someone like Tahir has . He doesn't quite have a reliable away going delivery (to right handers) which he is aware and that's why he is trying super hard to develop leggies (he sucks in that) and is now trying to dart the straighter one (he is actually getting good with that but needs better accuracy).

He just needs to figure out a way to beat the outside edge. Don't think the straight darts will be enough. Carrom balls are one option but they aren't that accurate. He will figure something out imho. He is still good without them if he mixes up his flight and darts properly but once he gets a workable away going delivery, there will be a heaven and earth difference in his output cos he is someone who really knows how to use what he has. Right now, he doesn't quite have a reliable weapon.

So I am interested to see how he goes in IPL.

Personally I believe Ash will correct his records in ODI in due course of time.

But for now, we need to bring in another wicket taking spinner (Kuldeep) and keep him as backup in case Ashwin fails in any of the main ODI games. Not only does it safeguard our team's chances but that's the fastest way to get Ash to develop. Attack his ego and then watch him respond to it.

Good analysis.You must have participated in many essay competitions as a child :)
He needs to do all sorts of experiments he wants to in IPL. He wouldn't be thrown out based on IPL performance anyway.

Kuldeep (living up to hype) and ashwin will be a potent leggie and offie attack in tests.We can say goodbye to jadeja then at least in tests since kuldeep could bat as well.
 
Kuldeep (living up to hype) and ashwin will be a potent leggie and offie attack in tests.We can say goodbye to jadeja then at least in tests since kuldeep could bat as well.

Oops forgot he is China man. Hope he has good googlies to mange the right handed batsmen.
 
Absolutely. He does that and sometimes overdoes it and pays the price.

Remember when he had developed a good seam up delivery where he would get appreciable outswing with the new ball. Tried that in World T20 2016 unnecessary just cos he opened the bowling..pitched it up full and gave 2 sixes in the opener.

Ashwin is not an average ODI bowler in my opinion. He is not great but not average either.

How many ODI spinners have been able to keep their spots in their teams?

SL - No one.
Pak - No one. Ajmal, Hafeez don't count.
Bangladesh - Shakib Al Hasan. Good spinner.
SA - Tahir. Easily better than Ash.
Eng - No one. Moeen is new and does a good role for Eng but is not a proper spinner. Averaged 47 in ODIs. Tredwell was good but dunno why they discarded him.
Aus - No one. Zampa is the new kid on the block.
NZ - No one. Santner is coming up. Vettori played here and there and he is a good spinner.
WI - No one. Narine doesn't count. Badree hasn't played ODIs.
India - Jaddu. Good spinner.

So as you can see, the ONLY spinners who were able to stand the onslaught and stay in their team were:

Tahir, Ashwin, Jaddu, Shakib

Tahir is the best spinner while Ash is the most clutch.

The reason why Ash is perceived to be an average bowler is because his ODI career has been a part of various phases where he has ranged from being very good to horrendous. And statistically he ain't all that good.

When he came on to the scene, Ashwin was an amazing LOI wicket taking bowlers. No matter whether it was domestic games or IPL or ODIs, Ashwin would pick crucial wickets. Its not a surprise that till WC 2011, he averaged 23 (no minnows) and he was the top 3 bowlers in IPL 2010, CT 2010 in SA (Man of series) and IPL 2011. He was dropped in WC 2011 after 2 stellar games against WI and Aus so he missed out on the WC 2011 glory (honestly he would have finished off Pak and SL in SF and Finals with the form he was in).

Even when he toured England in 2011 and India were losing games, he averaged 25. Things were fine till end of 2011 but then things started changing.

Ashwin's wicket taking ability dropped (barring the odd games).

Maybe he took his place for granted.

Whatever the reason, he looked uninspiring when bowling but was kept in the team cos he was still reliable cos he won't lose it mentally and leak too many runs.

Then you had periods of ups and downs before he finally turned it around in WC 2015. Post that period, he has been stellar whenever he bowled in ODIs. Wickets, control everything was there. Flight, drift and dip.

Then came the Aus tour where he had 2 average outings in high scoring games (went at 6 rpo) and was dropped. Then the Eng series now where he obviously is trying stuff (overdoing it I may add) and that's why there is this perception that he was never good and should be dropped.

Reality is Ashwin is a good ODI bowler who has been all over the place in his career. The very fact that he is probably the only offie in the world who is able to hold an ODI, T20 and club T20 spot and plays a crucial role for his side with the ball is a testament to how good he really is. Its just that everything is against the off spinner in modern LOI so its hard and he is working to find out a way out of it.

But with the way he has transformed in WC 2015, he has got back his wicket taking ability but he still doesn't quite have crucial ODI weapons that someone like Tahir has . He doesn't quite have a reliable away going delivery (to right handers) which he is aware and that's why he is trying super hard to develop leggies (he sucks in that) and is now trying to dart the straighter one (he is actually getting good with that but needs better accuracy).

He just needs to figure out a way to beat the outside edge. Don't think the straight darts will be enough. Carrom balls are one option but they aren't that accurate. He will figure something out imho. He is still good without them if he mixes up his flight and darts properly but once he gets a workable away going delivery, there will be a heaven and earth difference in his output cos he is someone who really knows how to use what he has. Right now, he doesn't quite have a reliable weapon.

So I am interested to see how he goes in IPL.

Personally I believe Ash will correct his records in ODI in due course of time.

But for now, we need to bring in another wicket taking spinner (Kuldeep) and keep him as backup in case Ashwin fails in any of the main ODI games. Not only does it safeguard our team's chances but that's the fastest way to get Ash to develop. Attack his ego and then watch him respond to it.

Good post. Couldn't agree more with you.

He does seem to have a lackadaisical attitude towards JAMODIS.

In global tournaments, he does turn it up significantly. Even in India this year during WT20, his over to Shakib and Soumya when India needed it badly absolute clutch.
 
I didn’t do too much wrong to be left out of India’s limited-over plans: Ravichandran Ashwin

Indian off spinner Ravichandran Ashwin has not given hopes of being part of the 2019 World Cup to be held in England next year as he feels he didn’t do much wrong to be left out of Indiaá limited-over scheme of things.

“I didn’t do too much wrong to be going out in the white-ball scheme of things,” said Ashwin in a cricket show. “But I definitely believe that is was a zone where I needed to improve and achieve better things.”

Ashwin last played an ODI for India in June, 2017 against West Indies. Interestingly, he picked three for 28 in his ten overs in his last match before being dropped. With the arrival of wrist spinners Yuzvendra Chahal and Kuldeep Yadav – who made his debut in the West Indies series – both Ashwin and Ravindra Jadeja lost out the respective places in the limited-overs setup.

Chahal and Kuldeep have been in top form for India claiming nearly 40 per cent of the wickets India have taken in ODIs in the past one year. And Ashwin concedes that there is tough competition but is confident that his time will come again.

“There is competition in terms of Chahal and Kuldeep, who have done extremely well in the last few months,” said Ashwin. “Massive credit to them. But I do feel there will be a time for me at some stage because I didn’t go out due to bad performances.

“I’m always hopeful of what I can achieve in any given game. I believe I can crack a game open with the way I bowl because I’m a very brave bowler. Keeping all these things in mind, [the] World Cup is something that every cricketer wants to play and I do want to play it,” he added.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...limited-over-plans-ravichandran-ashwin-747046
 
This forum goes on and on about performing in big games and ICC touemamtes, Ashwin has a good record in ICC touemamtes. Also they were in conditions which weren't favourable for spins. He had a decent LO career.
 
Ashwin will and surely will turn up average performance in semis. Its one thing to bowl when you have 400 runs to defend, it will be an altogether different situation when India bowls first or defends a par score. One should look at his bowling performances in IPL, he is the Worst bowler in terms of wicket taken to have bowled more than 50 balls in last 3 years and i mean the worst, not as some adjective, I mean literally the worst
 
Unbelievable come back this is. He hasn't played much ODIs in 6 years. Just a two ODIs. He was nowhere close to selection.
 
Ashwin will and surely will turn up average performance in semis. Its one thing to bowl when you have 400 runs to defend, it will be an altogether different situation when India bowls first or defends a par score. One should look at his bowling performances in IPL, he is the Worst bowler in terms of wicket taken to have bowled more than 50 balls in last 3 years and i mean the worst, not as some adjective, I mean literally the worst

He did well in CT final 2013. Also did well in world cup 2011 Q/F against Australia taknig out Ponting and Watson.
 
He did well in CT final 2013. Also did well in world cup 2011 Q/F against Australia taknig out Ponting and Watson.
Thats more than 10 years back, when he was still unknown. And you can imagine how ordinary he has been that we are discussing those performances in 2023. Fact is 115 matches, not a single 5 wicket haul. Fact also is that in India he averages over 30 and his best performance is 3/25. Ashwin is a defensive option, moment you dropped Chahal you took away the agressive spin option. Chahal is so much better, stats over 100 matches can't lie - significantly better average, significantly better strike rate and lots of 4 and 5 wickets hall. I understand chahal is a liability in batting but how many times Ashwin has to fail to be dropped. He played 2021 Wc and failed, he played 2022 wc and failed. And now we are selecting him for 2023 wc. Chahal doesn't have Ashwin's communication skills and an online paid army, that's the only thing he lacks.
 
Thats more than 10 years back, when he was still unknown. And you can imagine how ordinary he has been that we are discussing those performances in 2023. Fact is 115 matches, not a single 5 wicket haul. Fact also is that in India he averages over 30 and his best performance is 3/25. Ashwin is a defensive option, moment you dropped Chahal you took away the agressive spin option. Chahal is so much better, stats over 100 matches can't lie - significantly better average, significantly better strike rate and lots of 4 and 5 wickets hall. I understand chahal is a liability in batting but how many times Ashwin has to fail to be dropped. He played 2021 Wc and failed, he played 2022 wc and failed. And now we are selecting him for 2023 wc. Chahal doesn't have Ashwin's communication skills and an online paid army, that's the only thing he lacks.

Chahal benefitted from Kuldeep largely. An useless batsman. Can't catch to save his life. Can't bowl in dew. Can't field. A dead weight to the core. His only idea of deception is bowling the wider and wider. Last year he averaged 73 against South Africa 55 against New zealand. Enough of that clown. He should be nowhere near Indian team.
 
Ashwin is just there so that the quota for a off-spinner gets filled. He is an okay bowler in ODIs. He can give you 10 overs at an economy rate of 4.5-5.0 every game with 1 or at max 2 wickets. He is unlikely to play many games in the World Cup even if he is in the squad. Kuldeep & Jadeja will start in most games, Ashwin might just play if the pitch has lots of turn. Also if Axar is fit, I am not sure what the management will do as he was our first choice third spinner. The place I am more concerned about is Shardul Thakur. He takes wickets but has a high economy, India are playing him ahead of Shami only for his batting which is little concerning.
 
Chahal benefitted from Kuldeep largely. An useless batsman. Can't catch to save his life. Can't bowl in dew. Can't field. A dead weight to the core. His only idea of deception is bowling the wider and wider. Last year he averaged 73 against South Africa 55 against New zealand. Enough of that clown. He should be nowhere near Indian team.
I can't believe I'm reading that Chahal is better than Ashwin in any facet of the game and that he can have any fans, except for his wife, of course.
 
I would have Aswin in team any day in Indian condition, his cricketing mind is extraordinary. He is a slow fielder, that's the only lacuna. He is more than decent in LOI both in terms of batting and bowling.
 
I rate Ashwin pretty highly, seems like he always scores important runs when India is in trouble too.
 
I would have Aswin in team any day in Indian condition, his cricketing mind is extraordinary. He is a slow fielder, that's the only lacuna. He is more than decent in LOI both in terms of batting and bowling.
His cricketing mind is a function of PR. Can you produce any evidence that his great cricketing mind has done some wonder? Yes, once he applied his brains and let Mohammad Nawaz bowl that wide but other than that its all gas, PR created quality. Why hasn't that great cricketing brain able to product a 5 wicket hall in SENA countries after 14 years of cricket. Or why not a single 5 wicket hall in ODI anywhere in the world. Or why 33 wickets in 43 matches with economy of 7.5 and average of 38 in the last 3 IPL in 2021,2022 and 2023. I mean mind/talent/quality/skill all these things are means to achievement, if you can't see achievement for such a long period then its all gas. Somehow that extraordinary brain freezes when it counts and take my word it will happen again in this WC if he ends up playing semis.
 
His cricketing mind is a function of PR. Can you produce any evidence that his great cricketing mind has done some wonder? Yes, once he applied his brains and let Mohammad Nawaz bowl that wide but other than that its all gas, PR created quality. Why hasn't that great cricketing brain able to product a 5 wicket hall in SENA countries after 14 years of cricket. Or why not a single 5 wicket hall in ODI anywhere in the world. Or why 33 wickets in 43 matches with economy of 7.5 and average of 38 in the last 3 IPL in 2021,2022 and 2023. I mean mind/talent/quality/skill all these things are means to achievement, if you can't see achievement for such a long period then its all gas. Somehow that extraordinary brain freezes when it counts and take my word it will happen again in this WC if he ends up playing semis.
I don't want to prolong this discussion, as it seems you don't follow much cricket-related literatures, interviews etc., except watching IPL. Btw, Shane Warne doesn't have any 5 wicket haul, whereas Sachin has a couple. In last 3 IPL seasons, what is the average rr per match, in which Aswin has played, maybe that analysis would give you some answer. I don't know from which country you are, but Aswin seldom comes across a media-laden persona. Again, bringing SENA comparison, how many fifers Shane Warne has in India? That doesn't discount his excellent cricket brain. Your first statement is quite condescending by the way to a player who has close to 500 test wickets and 5 test centuries. You may have something very personal against him, that's a separate issue altogether, but I don't think you are objective enough. At this moment, in the team we need an offie, he is IMHO the best option available.
 
I don't want to prolong this discussion, as it seems you don't follow much cricket-related literatures, interviews etc., except watching IPL. Btw, Shane Warne doesn't have any 5 wicket haul, whereas Sachin has a couple. In last 3 IPL seasons, what is the average rr per match, in which Aswin has played, maybe that analysis would give you some answer. I don't know from which country you are, but Aswin seldom comes across a media-laden persona. Again, bringing SENA comparison, how many fifers Shane Warne has in India? That doesn't discount his excellent cricket brain. Your first statement is quite condescending by the way to a player who has close to 500 test wickets and 5 test centuries. You may have something very personal against him, that's a separate issue altogether, but I don't think you are objective enough. At this moment, in the team we need an offie, he is IMHO the best option available.
Not sure which cricket related literature you read (perhaps don't read cricinfo much), but Shane warne had a 5 wicket hall and 12-4 wickets hall to go with an average of 25 in ODIs and not to forget man of the match award in WC semi-final and WC Final of 1999 WC. And in tests Shane Warne has 1 5fer in india to go with 6 in Lanka and 2 in pakistan. Its one thing to not have a 5 wicket hall in one country as everyone has some weakness but Ashwin doesn't have a 5fer in Australia and England and SA and NZ. That's like 4 of the 8 countries that play test cricket. If you think these 2 players' record are even remotely comparable, then i take my words back. Perhaps you should stick to cricinfo only and keep reading about how great Indian players are. Yes i have personal against Ashwin, he stole my money. Are you kidding me? What could one have personal against these players, i abhor the hype created by Indian media and commentators and gullible fans who fall for it.
 
Ravichandran Ashwin on Saturday conceded the upcoming World Cup could be his last for India after the veteran spinner replaced Axar Patel in the hosts 15-member squad for the event, starting on October 5.

Ashwin, who enjoyed a successful outing against Australia featuring in the first two ODIs of the recently concluded series, was named as the replacement for Patel, who was sidelined due to quadricep strain.

Ahead of India’s first warm-up match against defending champions England here on Saturday, the 37-year-old Ashwin made the admission in a pre-match chat. Being in a good space, and enjoying this tournament will keep me in good stead. This could be my last World Cup for India, so enjoying the tournament is of utmost importance, Ashwin told Star Sports.

Source: News18
 
Think it was a regressive move to pick Ashwin. He's had his time. Ravi Bishnoi would have been a better pick imo. But it's water under the bridge now. You need 2 quality spinners playing in the SC for a long tournament as pitches get tired and worn out on the back end of the tournament
 
The only two places where I would play him are Chennai and Hyderabad.
When Ashwin plays in the side, we should drop Jadeja and play an extra batter.
 
Think it was a regressive move to pick Ashwin. He's had his time. Ravi Bishnoi would have been a better pick imo. But it's water under the bridge now. You need 2 quality spinners playing in the SC for a long tournament as pitches get tired and worn out on the back end of the tournament
Bishnoi is at best ready for T20. With just googly it will be harder to survive in ODIs. Ashwin in India is very different from Ashwin elsewhere.
 
Bishnoi is at best ready for T20. With just googly it will be harder to survive in ODIs. Ashwin in India is very different from Ashwin elsewhere.
For sure Ashwin is better than jadeja though. They should play him at 7 instead of jadeja. His batting cant be that much worse than jadeja anyway. It's a long tournament though and there are bound to be injuries and we can see players drafted in from outside the 15 as well. Teams have traveling reserves for this purpose.
 
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